TT RS German Press info

[KresoF1]

Sorry, in German only:

PresseInfo - Der Audi TT RS

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Audi baut wieder einen bärenstarken Fünfzylinder: Auf dem Genfer Salon feiert der Audi TT RS Weltpremiere. Sein turbogeladener 2,5-Liter Motor leistet weit über 300 PS. Er sorgt für explosive Beschleunigung, pure Faszination und unvergleichlichen Sound.

Die Legende kehrt zurück – leistungsstarke Fünfzylinder-Benziner haben bei Audi eine große Tradition. Der neue Turbo-Direkteinspritzer führt diese dynamische Linie fort. Er sorgt im TT RS für fulminante Fahrleistungen: Der Spurt von null auf 100 km/h ist eine Sache von deutlich weniger als fünf Sekunden, Überholvorgänge werden beiläufig erledigt, und die abgeregelte Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 250 km/h ist bloße Formsache.

Der permanente Allradantrieb quattro, ein hochentwickeltes Fahrwerk und gewaltige Bremsen kontrollieren die Power sicher – der kompakte TT RS mit seiner leichten, überwiegend aus Aluminium bestehenden Karosserie in Audi Space Frame ASF-Bauweise ist eine konsequente Fahrmaschine.

Mehr Informationen gibt es bei der Audi-Pressekonferenz auf dem Genfer Automobilsalon am 3. März 2009 in Halle 1, Stand 1060.




Der neue Audi TT RS begeistert mit ultimativer Performance und überragender Traktion. Als RS Hochleistungs-Sportwagen vereint er erfolgreiches Motorsport-Know-how und technische Kernkompetenzen der Marke Audi. Herzstück des Audi TT RS ist der neu entwickelte 2,5-Liter-5-Zylinder-Reihenmotor. Durch die Kombination von Turboaufladung und der rennsporterprobten Benzindirekteinspritzung FSI® arbeiten seine 250 kW (340 PS) äußerst effizient. Ein sportlich abgestimmtes 6-Gang-Schaltgetriebe mit Schaltwegverkürzung und der permanente Allradantrieb quattro® übertragen das üppige Drehmoment von 450 Nm auf die Straße. Weitere Highlights sind das abgesenkte TT RS Sportfahrwerk, die Sporttaste sowie die 18-Zoll-Hochleistungsbremsanlage.

Optisch grenzt sich die Hochleistungsvariante durch verschieden TT RS spezifische Differenzierungen wie dem Kühlergrill im Rautendesign oder dem feststehenden TT RS Heckflügel von den übrigen Audi TT Varianten ab. Im Folgenden finden Sie die wichtigsten Highlights und erste Termine:

Faszinierendes Design:

Kraftvoll-sportliches Design mit TT RS spezifischen Differenzierungen: u. a. Aluminium-Gussräder im 5-Doppelspeichen-Design, Kühlergrill im Rautendesign, markanter Diffusoreinsatz hinten, feststehender TT RS Heckflügel sowie Stoßfänger im TT RS Design
Pure Sportwagenatmosphäre im Innenraum mit TT RS Multifunktions-Sportlederlenkrad und Sportsitzen in Alcantara/Leder
Xenon plus mit LED-Tagfahrlicht
Vollautomatisches Verdeck und elektrisches Windschott (TT RS Roadster)
Motor und Getriebe:

2.5 TFSI 6-Gang-Handschalter (250 kW/340 PS)
Langhubiger Fünfzylinder-Reihenmotor mit Bezindirekteinspritzung FSI® und Turboaufladung für überragende Fahrwerte
Das Leistungspotenzial entfaltet sich spontan, das kräftige Drehmoment steht frühzeitig und über ein breites Drehzahlband bereit
Vorbildliche Effizienz mit in dieser Leistungsklasse niedrigen Verbrauchs- und CO2-Werten
Sportlich abgestimmtes 6-Gang-Schaltgetriebe mit Schaltwegverkürzung
Elektronische Abregelung der Höchstgeschwindigkeit bei 280 km/h und Designpaket Carbon für den Motorraum (Option)
Fahreigenschaften und Fahrdynamik:

Permanenter Allradantrieb quattro® für beste Traktion, faszinierende Dynamik und souveräne Stabilität
TT RS Sportfahrwerk mit niederiger Trimmlage und straff abgestimmten Federn und Dämpfern
Mit der Sporttaste lässt sich die Grundcharakteristik der Gaspedalkennlinie, der Abgasanlage und des optionalen adaptiven Dämpfungssystems Audi magnetic ride beeinflussen
18-Zoll-Hochleistungsbremsanlage sorgt für überragende Verzögerungswerte und glänzt mit hoher Standfestigkeit
Zweistufig abschaltbares elektronisches Stabilisierungsprogramm ESP erlaubt höchste Dynammik
Ausgezeichnete Aerodynamik und innovativer Leichtbau durch Audi Space Frame ASF® tragen zur exzellenten Fahrdynamik bei
Als emotionale Speerspitze im Segment der kompakten Hochleistungssportwagen bietet der Audi TT RS beste Chancen eine exklusive Kundengruppe anzusprechen. Das Modell stärkt das Prestige von Audi als sportliche Premiummarke und trägt zum Ausbau des Marktanteils bei.


Der TT RS wird voraussichtich ab Anfang 2. Quartal 2009 bestellbar sein. Erste Auslieferungen an Kunden sind ab dem 3. Quartal diesen Jahres geplant.

IMPORTANT ITEMS in English:
-manual only
-280km/h delimiter option

[The Pretender]

No bigger version's of the pics.

Jarod.

[KresoF1]

No bigger version's of the pics.

Jarod.

There are bigger pics and even far more pics... BUT, Press embargo is in fact till Monday 23rd February, so...

[The Pretender]

There are bigger pics and even far more pics... BUT, Press embargo is in fact till Monday 23rd February, so...
I know, but i can always trying. lol

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

Key features

Engine, transmission & Braking system
Cast alloy 2.5L 5cyl
340hp with 450Nm of torque which will arrive early and continue over a wide rev range
Sport Button which will alter the engine characteristic as well as suspension (when equipped with MgneticRide) and exhaust note
6 speed Manual with quick shift specially tuned to the engine
18" braking system

Handling and Driving Dynamics
Haldex (probably XWD)
2 stage ESP with dynamic tuning
quattroGmbH lowered and stiffened suspension (Adaptive MagneticRide optional probably standard in the UK)

Options
Limiter raised to 280Km/h (175mph)
Carbon Fibre engine department

Exclusive Styling
Unique Fixed wing rear spoiler
Unique rear diffuser with rear bumper design
Unique 5 double spoke 19" alloys
Unique front apron design
Honeycomb diamond design front grille and rear apron
Xenon Highlights with LED daytime running lights

Customers can order from 2rd Quarter 2009 with first delivers starting 3rd Quarter 2009.

[The RS6]

Unique 5 double spoke 19" alloys

Any pics of these? Two new wheel designs for TT-RS?

[SigmaS6]

So no word on the S-Tronic? I reckon if a manual gearbox can fit in a DSG can as well. At least the new seven speed DSG should, as they started developing that after the TT-RS plans existed. So I guess the specs were clear by then. And they wouldn't want to annoy RS-customers with missing features all other TT-models offer?

[KresoF1]

So no word on the S-Tronic? I reckon if a manual gearbox can fit in a DSG can as well. At least the new seven speed DSG should, as they started developing that after the TT-RS plans existed. So I guess the specs were clear by then. And they wouldn't want to annoy RS-customers with missing features all other TT-models offer?

NO S Tronic.

Regarding new 7speed S Tronic in S4 for example-it is designed ONLY for longitudinal engine layout.

Current limit in 6speed S Tronic for transversal engine layout is 410Nm-so, TT RS engine is simply to powerfull for all current DCT boxes in VAG porfolio(for transversal engine layout).

To repeat:

S Tronic in A5,S5,A4,S4 and Q7 models-7speed with wet clutches-max. 550Nm

S Tronic in TT S or VW Golf GTI VI-6speed with wet clutches-max. 410Nm

DSG in VW Scirocco 1.4TSI-7speed with dry clutches-max. 250Nm

[SigmaS6]

S Tronic in TT S or VW Golf GTI VI-6speed with wet clutches-max. 410Nm
The DQ250 that is. What happened to the DQ500? And why not modify the DQ250 for the missing 10% of robustness? The additional price would probably be laughably small compared to the price of the DSG-option (and the whole RS).

[Ruergard]

I just fell in love again. :love:

[The Pretender]

I just fell in love again. :love:
Even with that rearspoiler on it.

Jarod.

[artur777]

NO S Tronic.

Regarding new 7speed S Tronic in S4 for example-it is designed ONLY for longitudinal engine layout.

Current limit in 6speed S Tronic for transversal engine layout is 410Nm-so, TT RS engine is simply to powerfull for all current DCT boxes in VAG porfolio(for transversal engine layout).

To repeat:

S Tronic in A5,S5,A4,S4 and Q7 models-7speed with wet clutches-max. 550Nm

S Tronic in TT S or VW Golf GTI VI-6speed with wet clutches-max. 410Nm

DSG in VW Scirocco 1.4TSI-7speed with dry clutches-max. 250Nm

I love the car but absoultely dissapointed with the lack of S-Tronic.
It's 21st century and to offer only manual will be a great marketing drawback.
Do you have any info on upcoming S-Tronic for this model?

[artur777]

The DQ250 that is. What happened to the DQ500? And why not modify the DQ250 for the missing 10% of robustness? The additional price would probably be laughably small compared to the price of the DSG-option (and the whole RS).

I agree with you...
The car could be a real blast with S-Tronic

[tvrfan]

i thought DSG is comming later as an option, maybe it will be a new one.

i read it also on other sites.

[M3 owner]

I love the car but absoultely dissapointed with the lack of S-Tronic.

Completely agree,I just lost all excitement 4 this car.
2 much traffic in my neck of the woods,looks like PDK Cayman S will b the way 2 go. I was really looking forward 2 owning a 4wd :cry:

[The RS6]

I don't think Audi is afraid of those 450Nm - more likely they want to see what the tuners will do with that 2.5TFSI and than make a bit stonger DSG...

They most certianly don't want (chipped) TT RS's with broken gearboxes all around the world...

[The Pretender]

They most certianly don't want (chipped) TT RS's with broken gearboxes all around the world...
Like the Nissan GT-R's.

Jarod.

[artur777]

I don't think Audi is afraid of those 450Nm - more likely they want to see what the tuners will do with that 2.5TFSI and than make a bit stonger DSG...

They most certianly don't want (chipped) TT RS's with broken gearboxes all around the world...

You may be right...
But Audi TTS is in the same situation and the tuning capablitites of 2.0TFSI are much hoigher than gerabox potential...

IF we don't see S-Tronic for this car, it will be a big dissapointment...

[SigmaS6]

They most certianly don't want (chipped) TT RS's with broken gearboxes all around the world...
I don't think that's how it works ;) Audi doesn't engineer it's parts for the needs of 3rd party tuners and waits till they finished messing with their ECU...

What I find a bit confusing is that Audi doesn't seem to see the necessity to comment on it's manual-only policy, as there seems to be quite a demand for the missing option.

If they can't communicate the reason for dropping the DSG or not having it ready after that lengthy timespan of testing I could imagine that some buyers will turn away from the TT-RS as they feel they can't get what they want.

[The Pretender]

Al i know it will not fit in relation with the longer inline 5 engine.
Audi worked miracle's to get that inline five under the bonnet with quattro Haldex and manual gearbox.

Jarod.

[tvrfan]

man thats crap. i hoped we see a DSG. i believe audi can do it and develpment a new stronger DSG which can fit in the TT-RS. man they must do this!!! dont be so stupid audi, please

[SigmaS6]

If that's the case and there will never be a TT-RS with a DSG they should tell that to the customers. Currently I'm under the impression they could offer it but don't see a market for it.

[trick]

If that's the case and there will never be a TT-RS with a DSG they should tell that to the customers. Currently I'm under the impression they could offer it but don't see a market for it.

Audi never stated that, so why do you have that impression?

[SigmaS6]

Audi never stated that, so why do you have that impression?
They never stated the opposite either, so I guess it depends on the perception you have of the Audi officials and the marketing department.

[trick]

They didnt state that you couldn't put 17" wheels on the RS either. [/devils advocate]

My perception : assume nothing.

[Leadfoot]

They didnt state that you couldn't put 17" wheels on the RS either. [/devils advocate]

My perception : assume nothing.

Well actually they did say,
die Sporttaste sowie die 18-Zoll-Hochleistungsbremsanlage in English that means 18" braking system and the last time I tried I couldn't get 17" alloys on an 18" braking system. ;)

The reason for no words about the S/Tronic is because it's not available as of yet.

[SigmaS6]

The reason for no words about the S/Tronic is because it's not available as of yet.
But I get the impression that people are splitting into two camps on this matter, one that believes it will be offered just a bit later and one that believes that it's impossible to fit it in, i.e. it will never be an option.

Would be nice if Audi would say some words about this in Geneva.

[Tanner]

What's the max torque that the 7-speed DSG can handle, wasn't it 450nm? If so, that's what this 2.5 turbo puts out, so guessing the reason why there isn't an S-tronic.

[SigmaS6]

There are two 7-speed DSGs, one is the DQ200 which can only handle 250NM (designed for the lower Golf models) and the not introduced yet DQ500, which is said to handle up to 550NM.

The 6-speed DSG DQ250 is afaik specified to handle 350NM, exactly what the TTS puts out.

[Tanner]

Ah yes, I think I misread something or read some bad information.... yes, the 7-speed DSG in the new S4 can handle up to 550nm (406 lb-ft) so theoretically it could have been used in the TT-RS.

[The Pretender]

There are two 7-speed DSGs, one is the DQ200 which can only handle 250NM (designed for the lower Golf models) and the not introduced yet DQ500, which is said to handle up to 550NM.

The 6-speed DSG DQ250 is afaik specified to handle 350NM, exactly what the TTS puts out.
The DQ 200 box is FWD only.
The DQ500 is in fact the DL500 for the S4 and Co.

Jarod.

[KresoF1]

Ah yes, I think I misread something or read some bad information.... yes, the 7-speed DSG in the new S4 can handle up to 550nm (406 lb-ft) so theoretically it could have been used in the TT-RS.

S Tronic in S4(and several models like A4,A5 and Q5) is designed ONLY for AWD layout with longitudinal engine layout.

[artur777]

Basically Audi has to design new special S-Tronic model for TT-RS
And it takes time

[SigmaS6]

And it takes time
But they started with the TT-RS development way more than a year ago. Why would the gear box take much more time than the engine or the rest of the car?

I agree that it doesn't make much sense to start developing it from scratch after the RS was released though, as it will be out too late given the life time of the Mark II.

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the point is not "why cant it be done"-, of course there is a way to fit a S-tronic in a transverse engine layout, even with the inline five. BUT the matter is, the TTRS quote is limited and the only Audi model to share the cost for re-enginering would be the A3. Since there is no need for a even more solid S-tronic within the A3 range, the cost of development is down to the TTRS only-, hard to justify. It is not for certain that the TT successor will keep the transversal layout...

As long as a possible RS3- and/or a demand within the VW model range will be cleared for joint venture, manual only... it was a hard time pushing the TTRS through.

By the way, drive that little car, let the emotions work and i guess you might forget a need for S-tronic. :)

Qisha

[AndyBG]

By the way, drive that little car, let the emotions work and i guess you might forget a need for S-tronic. :)

Qisha

Now you sound like a marketing manager! :hihi:

[andreadebi]

Dear Friends,

the point is not "why cant it be done"-, of course there is a way to fit a S-tronic in a transverse engine layout, even with the inline five. BUT the matter is, the TTRS quote is limited and the only Audi model to share the cost for re-enginering would be the A3. Since there is no need for a even more solid S-tronic within the A3 range, the cost of development is down to the TTRS only-, hard to justify. It is not for certain that the TT successor will keep the transversal layout...

As long as a possible RS3- and/or a demand within the VW model range will be cleared for joint venture, manual only... it was a hard time pushing the TTRS through.

By the way, drive that little car, let the emotions work and i guess you might forget a need for S-tronic. :)

Qisha

thanks for the precious info.
What about the always rumoured RS3?No possibility for current generation of A3?

[Erik]

More pics:

http://www.sportbilen.se/gallery.php?id=559

Plus SOUND!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVUGJgm5L7M&eurl=

[KresoF1]

More pics:

http://www.sportbilen.se/gallery.php?id=559

Plus SOUND!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVUGJgm5L7M&eurl=

Interesting... They took the pics from this thread...

[SigmaS6]

Since there is no need for a even more solid S-tronic within the A3 range, the cost of development is down to the TTRS only-, hard to justify.
Judging from the responses in this and other forums concerning the lack of S-Tronic, it sems to me that there is a substantial amount of potential customers who might see this as a no-go.

Do you think the costs are that hard to justify even when you loose, say 40% of potential customers?

Currently I'm thinking about getting an TT-RS as well, but I find it hard to decide yet, if an S-Tronic version might just be a few angry letters away and might become available shortly after I received my manual model.

Personaly I wouldn't even take comfort in the rest of the car if I knew I had missed an even better model (yes, my point of view ;)) by say half a year. That stick shift would keep reminding me of my premature decision every day...

[KresoF1]

There wont be S Tronic for TT RS.

If you want DCT there are other cars potentially interesting for you:

Audi TTS S Tronic
Audi S5 S Tronic(from 08/2009)
Porsche Cayman S PDK

[PeterJohn]

It already has a one-off engine. Perhaps we'll see versions of it appear in other models, but for now it's a very low production engine. So I can totally appreciate the lack of a one-off gearbox as well. It's technically possible to upgrade the clutches of a DSG box. Tuners are able to do it, but they don't have complexcity mass production to worry about, the competitive price that an off the shelf car has to have, and the expectation of a compleet finnished product.

Plus, I think the RS-models should be a little raw. To use a Dutch expression: they should have some hair on their teeth. How comfortable it is when you get trapped between minivans, SUVs and articulated lorries isn't going to inspire the enthusiastic boy in us, which is the whole point of sportscars, IMHO.
It's not because we have high tech artificial insemination, that we should stop having sex all together. (By "all together" I do not mean a specific manner of engaging in intercourse.) There is pleasure to be had from pointless physical activity. Like operating a high performance machine with both arms and legs.

[SigmaS6]

There wont be S Tronic for TT RS.
With all due respect, but that's just an opinion, right? In the same way that Audi started with the S5 without a DSG and they are now putting one in, why shouldn't that be the same fate for the TT-RS?

Plus the availablity of a DSG in the rest of the VAG models including all Porsches makes the TT-RS look a bit neglected, which might not be permanent.

I don't know, Audi just made me extremely unsecure with dropping one of the most revolutionary features that has been brought to market during the last few years and that seems to steadily conquer each model.

It just seems odd that one of the top models, which are usually meant to demonstrate the technological advantages of the whole model range, should be the only exception.

[KresoF1]

With all due respect, but that's just an opinion, right? In the same way that Audi started with the S5 without a DSG and they are now putting one in, why shouldn't that be the same fate for the TT-RS?

Plus the availablity of a DSG in the rest of the VAG models including all Porsches makes the TT-RS look a bit neglected, which might not be permanent.

I don't know, Audi just made me extremely unsecure with dropping one of the most revolutionary features that has been brought to market during the last few years and that seems to steadily conquer each model.

It just seems odd that one of the top models, which are usually meant to demonstrate the technical advantages of the whole model range, should be the only exception.

NO, it is not an opinion-that is the fact. When I got Press info and I also got nice information(technical) about TT RS. It will be manual only.

BTW, Qisha said also almost too much in his post:
"BUT the matter is, the TTRS quote is limited and the only Audi model to share the cost for re-enginering would be the A3. Since there is no need for a even more solid S-tronic within the A3 range, the cost of development is down to the TTRS only-, hard to justify. It is not for certain that the TT successor will keep the transversal layout..."

Read carefully what he wrote...

Why is TT RS manual only?

1. S Tronic powerfull enough for 450Nm in transversal layout do not exist currently.

2. Read Qisha's post again

3. Engine development was already very expensive for limited production model as TT RS is...

[SigmaS6]

Plus, I think the RS-models should be a little raw.
I wouldn't want an RS to come without a manual gear box option, but I think once you have experienced the steady power the DSG manages to give during accelerations throughout several gears, the launch control feature and the optional full auto mode for when the traffic just wont allow you to have fun, you'll find it hard to return to the 'old world' where all this shouldn't have been invented yet.

Maybe I'm not the dedicated RS customer others are, but I'd definitely miss something, especially if I know I have the only model that doesn't have a DSG. The TT-RS is special enough for me as it is, it doesn't have to be even more special by being different in that aspect as well :)

[Leadfoot]

The whole gearbox thing will depend of future developments, like an RS3 throw-off and possibly a VW model using this engine in either a Golf/Passat model, but given the state of the motoring world markets it's perfectly understandable for Audi to pull the reigns in on a S/Tronic version on a model that will at best have a limited market anyway.

I do expect that the engine will have a very bright future and will be seen in a range of cars and models, possibly as far a field as a Porsche.


By the way, drive that little car, let the emotions work and i guess you might forget a need for S-tronic. :)

QishaThese twenty odd words should explain the potential and commitment quattro have given this project. ;)

[SigmaS6]

2. Read Qisha's post again
I did notice that the first time, but we'll still have a few years that the MKII will exist and therefore be transversal.

It's not that I don't believe in what you guys said, it's just that I've seen many strange decisions from Audi which were later on corrected in some kind of way and I'm a bit afraid that this might be one of them.

Maybe some quattro-official will say something similar to what you did during the coming weeks where we'll get more details about the RS, in which case I think I'd be more confirmed in making the right decision of getting one now.

I know that this might sound stupid, especially if you prefer a manual anyway, but a car is the most expensive thing that I'm getting and it should be enjoyable for a long period of time. So I'm a bit careful not to rush any decisions, as I can't just sell it after a year (the loss would be ridiculously high).

[SigmaS6]

@KresoF1/Qisha: let me ask you this way: if you keep in mind my preference for the DSG, do you, to the best of your current knowledge, believe, that if I order the TT-RS now, I'll not be surprised by a DSG-model within the next two years?

If that's the case I promise to get an appointment for the sales talk with my local dealer as soon as he has the materials from Audi :)

[RXBG]

Now you sound like a marketing manager! :hihi:


makes perfect sense. and also the raison d'etre for there not being a DSG in the R8. in the end this is business, gentlemen. business.

[KresoF1]

@KresoF1/Qisha: let me ask you this way: if you keep in mind my preference for the DSG, do you, to the best of your current knowledge, believe, that if I order the TT-RS now, I'll not be surprised by a DSG-model within the next two years?

If that's the case I promise to get an appointment for the sales talk with my local dealer as soon as he has the materials from Audi :)

I will try to answer and help you at the same time:

1. TT RS will be introduced as MY2010 model. Its production is limited.

2. NONE of the RS models receive an update(mechanical) during its production life.

3. Wait around 24h and you will see full specs and then you can decide whatever you want this car or not. You also NEED to see the price list-I will try to post it ASAP.

4. If DCT is a must for you-then look at some other models-maybe forthcoming Scirocco R20 or Golf R20 could be interesting for you?

Personally, If I would buy DCT car my choice would be new Cayman S with PDK. Period.

[tvrfan]

DSG is overrated.

just my 2 cents.

[Leadfoot]

DSG is overrated.

just my 2 cents.

It's not that S/Tronic is overrated, just that it's not necessary to enjoy a true sportscar. Paddle shifts have only become popular because of F1 and the likes of Ferrari introduced them to get extra cash out of the super rich. Their benefit is less about performance and more to do with replacing the traditional automatic as is the case in the Q5 and this will be roled out throughout the rest of the range, though maybe the purists will still require it in their A8s.

The TT/RS with it's short shift will be a delight, I know many who have picked the normal TT3.2 with this option absolutely love it.

SimgaS6, is sore because he wants an S/Tronic instead of a manual. Maybe once he's had a chance to drive the car his opinion and requirement might change. Originally both Jarod and Simga wanted the TT/RS to be a V6 but I bet both are very pleased with the engine Audi have provided, I know I am, the sound is incredible. :love2:

[SigmaS6]

...

Thanks for your reply, let's see if Qisha joins your point of view to push my convince-o-meter to the go-level :)


4. If DCT is a must for you-then look at some other models-maybe forthcoming Scirocco R20 or Golf R20 could be interesting for you?

Personally, If I would buy DCT car my choice would be new Cayman S with PDK. Period.
It's not mandatory for me, but I'd be willing to adapt the schedule of my purchase to the Audi roadmap if that was an option.

The cars you mention aren't really that tempting for me as I wont compromise on AWD and more than 4 cylinders. I'm not stepping back from that, even if it comes with a DSG. The only competitors would be the 4S, which costs more than I'm willing to spend at this time and the S5, which I assume to be less fun even with the DSG than the TT-RS would be in manual.

[Erik]

I could definetly think of owning one in the future, when second hand, over a Porsche Cayman or even a 911.

340 horses in that car must be good fun!

I hope I'm able to drive one soon.

[Leadfoot]

I could definetly think of owning one in the future, when second hand, over a Porsche Cayman or even a 911.

340 horses in that car must be good fun!

I hope I'm able to drive one soon.

What this Erik, are you finally admitting you lack the skill. :hihi:

[RXBG]

if you want a car bad enough the DSG factor should be minimal. i bet GTR fanboys would still swoop them up if they had manuals and were .4 secs slower to 60 because of it.

[Leadfoot]

if you want a car bad enough the DSG factor should be minimal. i bet GTR fanboys would still swoop them up if they had manuals and were .4 secs slower to 60 because of it.

The TT/RS would be capable of hitting 60mph in the low to mid fours so why would anyone be overly depressed by not having a S/Tronic to scrap another 1 possibly 2 tenths off.

[The Pretender]

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/139851/audi_tt_rs-1.jpg

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/139851/audi_tt_rs_duo.jpg

Jarod.

[RXBG]

The TT/RS would be capable of hitting 60mph in the low to mid fours so why would anyone be overly depressed by not having a S/Tronic to scrap another 1 possibly 2 tenths off.

diff could be more- M5, with single clutch auto vs manual- .3-.4 secs faster to 60.

i bet the GTR would be equally affected if not more. so too the TT-RS- though perhaps the diff is more marked the more poweful the engine is.

[353S]

http://images46.fotki.com/v1442/photos/8/1343098/7268415/TTRS090013_large-vi.jpg

[KresoF1]

Yes, more pics are coming...

[KresoF1]

Small pic of front...

[Ruergard]

Even the cabriolet is a looker, but the Coupé... Stunning! :love:

[JavierNuvolari]

Coupe >>>> Cabriolet.

Outstanding car none the less, I couldn't care less about the DSG as long as there is a manual. If you ask me, every should be available with a manual tranny, even the RS 6. Lack of a manual tranny = fail.

The above does not mean I'm not happy driving an auto car on certain situation or even driving a car that is not available with a non auto tranny...just that I am happier shifting my self, even if it's a bit slower than a DSG.

Saludos everyone.

[M3 owner]

The TT/RS would be capable of hitting 60mph in the low to mid fours so why would anyone be overly depressed by not having a S/Tronic to scrap another 1 possibly 2 tenths off.

Do u really think it will b THAT fast ? If that is the case,it will come with a very large price tag.

[trick]

Looking forward to the first driving impressions now :)

Be interesting to see how (if) they've managed to deal with turbo lag which is evident in other less powerful, single turbo V5's.

[Leadfoot]

The TT/S is capable of accelerating to 60mph in 4.8~4.9s with only 270hp so a bare minimum of 0.5s should be achievable.

[Leadfoot]

Turbo lag will be determined by the size and type of turbo, but the likelihood is that some lag will be present though it will be minimum compared to similar sized and powered units from other suppliers.

[Erik]

Many years ago, I drove a 380 hp Audi TT.

I don't remember, but I think it had the 1.8T engine, but stroked to 2.0 litres and a huge turbo.

It was really only giving horsepower on the high end of the rev band, a really tricky car to drive. I expect this to be a much more pleasant drive.

[Leadfoot]

diff could be more- M5, with single clutch auto vs manual- .3-.4 secs faster to 60.

This difference has less to do with the gearbix making the shift for you and all to do with launch control.

The TT/RS is AWD and all that is required is a dump of the clutch and instant traction, no problems with wheelspin just instant acceleration. So back the question, with only 1 gearshift to get you to 60mph I reckon the S/Tronic will give you an advantage of only 0.1-0.2s.

[roadrunner]

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/139851/audi_tt_rs_duo.jpg

Jarod.

Can someone tell what is it all about the different (contrast) paint on the lower part of the bumper on the roadster (coupe seems to have it body painted) The same for the rear diffusor.

Don't like it that much. Prefer the body paint. Other than that - the best looking TT by far :dig:

[Leadfoot]

Many years ago, I drove a 380 hp Audi TT.

I don't remember, but I think it had the 1.8T engine, but stroked to 2.0 litres and a huge turbo.

It was really only giving horsepower on the high end of the rev band, a really tricky car to drive. I expect this to be a much more pleasant drive.

That was an old school turbo setup. Today's systems are a lot more advanced and if it uses a similar turbo setup to that of the 997Turbo then lag will be at the bare minimum. If not then expect something similar to that of the TT/S.

[KresoF1]

That was an old school turbo setup. Today's systems are a lot more advanced and if it uses a similar turbo setup to that of the 997Turbo then lag will be at the bare minimum. If not then expect something similar to that of the TT/S.

Did you drove 997 Turbo manual or 997 GT2? Turbo lag is pretty noticable in 997 Turbo and really noticable in 997 GT2. Most 997 Turbo fans actually loves that and claim it is part of character... Personally, I think that big NA engine is always better then Turbo one...

Back to TT RS. I have full technical data(Embargo should end today at 23:59) and some lag needs to be expected. Here is part of the problem with manaual gearbox... With S Tronic for example you could control boost on turbo depending on throttle setting and ECU could preboost before gearchange-that could bring huge advantage for S Tronic over manual, specially in higher speed range.

You will see in forthcoming 997.2 Turbo how much faster PDK version is then manual-difference is noticable.

[Leadfoot]

Did you drove 997 Turbo manual or 997 GT2? Turbo lag is pretty noticable in 997 Turbo and really noticable in 997 GT2. Most 997 Turbo fans actually loves that and claim it is part of character... Personally, I think that big NA engine is always better then Turbo one...

Back to TT RS. I have full technical data(Embargo should end today at 23:59) and some lag needs to be expected. Here is part of the problem with manaual gearbox... With S Tronic for example you could control boost on turbo depending on throttle setting and ECU could preboost before gearchange-that could bring huge advantage for S Tronic over manual, specially in higher speed range.

You will see in forthcoming 997.2 Turbo how much faster PDK version is then manual-difference is noticable.

No I haven't driven the latest Turbo but was basing my opinion from people who have, saying that it's night and day different from the older 996turbo. I suppose it's all relative.

I totally understand what you mean by the S/Tronic setup making turbo lag less present. It's just a shame that the present economy have probably ended the likelihood of the dual clutch making it into the lineup.

[Bogdan]

No other RS had 2 trannys during their life time, so I don't think the TTRS will get the S-Tronic. Think about the B7 RS4, it could have also benefit from a S-tronic gear which would have made him even faster, but developing such a special S-tronic just for one model that is sold just arround 2 years in pretty small numbers is bad bussines. And another point, if indeed the TTRS manual gets to 60mph in arround 4,5 sec (faster than R8 ) , going for an S-Tronic will upset even the new R8 V10 and that without any mods.
The RS cars are intended as a pure driving machines, something like what the 911 GT3 and RS is for Porsche 911, and a real involving sports car is always manual (in my opinion). The only auto gear is in the RS6 (old and new) for obvious reasons (too much torque and power for a manual to handle).

[KresoF1]

TT RS specs hint...

0-100km/h: 4.8s

[Leadfoot]

TT RS specs hint...

0-100km/h: 4.8s

The reality is that this figure will be bettered by at least 0.2-0.3s, the RS6 has already done that on almost all of it's tests and the same has been true for the RS4.

It normal for a 100km/h time to adjust down 2 tenths when measured to 60mph, I don't know if this can possibly still be true when you get below 5 second runs already but a tenth is definitely the minimum improvement one can expect. So even if the TT/RS only posts times a couple of tenths better than 'hinted' official estimates that would still mean at a 4.5s to 60mph time that the TT/RS would be one of Audi's quickest accelerating cars it had ever produced.

[artur777]

Did you drove 997 Turbo manual or 997 GT2? Turbo lag is pretty noticable in 997 Turbo and really noticable in 997 GT2. Most 997 Turbo fans actually loves that and claim it is part of character... Personally, I think that big NA engine is always better then Turbo one...

Back to TT RS. I have full technical data(Embargo should end today at 23:59) and some lag needs to be expected. Here is part of the problem with manaual gearbox... With S Tronic for example you could control boost on turbo depending on throttle setting and ECU could preboost before gearchange-that could bring huge advantage for S Tronic over manual, specially in higher speed range.

You will see in forthcoming 997.2 Turbo how much faster PDK version is then manual-difference is noticable.

KresoF1,
where can we have some info about 997.2 Turbo if we compare its manual to PDL version in some way?

[artur777]

TT RS specs hint...

0-100km/h: 4.8s

Fast.
0-200 - about 16 sec I predict?

[Bogdan]

They will never release it officially that the TTRS is under R8 0-60 times, but in real world, it just might be an R8 better, at least when talking about accelerating to 60mph.

[KresoF1]

KresoF1,
where can we have some info about 997.2 Turbo if we compare its manual to PDL version in some way?

Nowhere at the moment since 997.2 Turbo will be introduced officially at IAA in September 2009. First press preview will be in early summer 2009. Just, I had a chance to see some PPS presentation and this car should be very, very fast...

Bact OT.

TT RS is officially slower then R8 4.2 FSI both in acceleration and on the track. Ring inlcuded... But, it doesnt make it a bad car.

Few things from official TT RS specs will tell you more-weight and gearbox ratios. Both are not very track friendly...

[Leadfoot]

TT RS is officially slower then R8 4.2 FSI both in acceleration and on the track. Ring inlcuded... But, it doesnt make it a bad car.

Few things from official TT RS specs will tell you more-weight and gearbox ratios. Both are not very track friendly...

It's power to weight is at least 10% off that of the R8 4.2 so to expect to officially match the R8 would be overly optimistic in acceleration, but then again you look at the S4 compared to the S5v8 and you see worse PTW and yet it's quicker in acceleration. I expect that unofficially the two will be very evenly matched in acceleration, at least up to 90mph though gearing will determine how close this will really be.

I haven't seen the official weight but I'm expecting something around 1420kgs give or take, with most of the weight coming from the engine. I think the comment of 'not very track friendly' might be misleading, the TT/RS will be lighter than the RS4 and much more dynamic than the both the RS4 or the TT/S so should still post one of the quickest times for it's output around tracks like Bedford, Willow Springs and Hockenheim.

I reckon we can thank the TT/RS for making Porsche take the decision for give the Cayman the LSD option. ;)

[KresoF1]

Let me explain little bit not very track friendly...

1. Weight-heavier then you think.

2. Gear ratios are very good for acceleration, not very good for track like Ring.

3. Weight balance is hmm... You will see...

4. TTS Hockenheim time is 1:16,1min and you can expect TT RS to be maximally 1,5s faster.

5. Aerodynamics... There is a need for that big rear wing...

[Leadfoot]

Let me explain little bit not very track friendly...

1. Weight-heavier then you think.

2. Gear ratios are very good for acceleration, not very good for track like Ring.

3. Weight balance is hmm... You will see...

4. TTS Hockenheim time is 1:16,1min and you can expect TT RS to be maximally 1,5s faster.

5. Aerodynamics... There is a need for that big rear wing...

1. If it's any heavier than 1450kgs then I will be both surprised and disappointed.

2. The ring has not real bearing of real world experiences or normal track expectations, usual the two don't work together unless you has a shit load of power and definitely more than 340hp.

3. If the ratios are geared for acceleration then that will be a plus of track days where you will be able to piss off other track users in much more exotic machinery. :hihi:

As I already said, I suspect the engine to be the most of the weight difference so the weight balance has to have suffered but will wait to see when it's tested to see how badly.

4. 1:14.5 for Hockenheim, I reckon it will be a little quicker than that but this will all be determined by the choice of rubber, given proper r-compound rubber and I would think 1:13.7 is on the cards.

5. There is only two reasons for the wing, one is high speed stability (the TT/RS will be offered with a raised 175mph limit) and the other is additional downforce at higher speed to counter the imbalance of weight at the front.

[KresoF1]

Leadie,
TT RS is great little sportscar. Just, it is not an R8, 997.2CS or even Cayman S killer.

[The Pretender]

It can't be havier then a 3.2 quattro IMHO.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

It can't be havier then a 3.2 quattro IMHO.

Jarod.

That's why I said 1420kgs, in between the 3.2 manual and S/Tronic for weight, basing that gearbox might be a little heavier and Haldex XWD might weigh a bit more.

[Leadfoot]

Leadie,
TT RS is great little sportscar. Just, it is not an R8, 997.2CS or even Cayman S killer.

I don't think I am saying that the TT/RS is a better car than the ones you have listed here, but I do believe it's probably a better RS car than any that have come before it.

I reckon if it gets within striking distance of any of these cars around Hockenheim then it has a moral victory because it's not a dedicated sportscar like the others are, it's roots are firmly based on the humble Golf and for anything from such a background that can hold it's head high among such greats than I for one would be very proud to own it.

The difference is that the little TT/RS will be able to bit back against these big hitters in acceleration, dispatching the Cayman S with ease and sitting of the rear bumper of the other two and with a little investment that sweet engine could be made to easily dispatch the other two as well.

[Erik]

That was an old school turbo setup. Today's systems are a lot more advanced and if it uses a similar turbo setup to that of the 997Turbo then lag will be at the bare minimum. If not then expect something similar to that of the TT/S.

But I guess Porsche, apart from lorries, are the only ones using the variable turbo? I'm sure it's not in the TT RS.

Not sure the VTGs are so good anyway... :rolleyes:

But yes, in general tuners use larges turbos than stock = more lag, for higher power output.

[Leadfoot]

But I guess Porsche, apart from lorries, are the only ones using the variable turbo? I'm sure it's not in the TT RS.

Not sure the VTGs are so good anyway... :rolleyes:

But yes, in general tuners use larges turbos than stock = more lag, for higher power output.

I think Porsche are the only people currently using the VTG in a petrol engine, all the rest are diesels. You are probably right about the TT/RS not getting it, and anyway the mighty RS6 does bloody brilliant without it too. :thumb:

[SigmaS6]

With S Tronic for example you could control boost on turbo depending on throttle setting and ECU could preboost before gearchange-that could bring huge advantage for S Tronic over manual, specially in higher speed range.
Ahh, stop it, I don't want to hear this! It's so counter-productive for the decision-making process I'm currently in ;)

[SigmaS6]

I think Porsche are the only people currently using the VTG in a petrol engine
What usually cheers me up is to see how a low-tech car like a corvette is perfectly able to keep up with a hightech car as a porsche turbo. Some technologies seem to be mainly generating high costs and very litte practical advantages.

Of course it's a nice thing to have them if you are interested in high tech and have the money, but not having them has immensly few consequences in the real world.

Just look at this 'Golf' we're talking about and the cars we've ended up comparing it to :)

[Mockenrue]

I'm hearing 340 PS/450 Nm/0-100 km/h: 4.5s but I don't know how reliable the source is.

[The Pretender]

I'm hearing 340 PS/450 Nm/0-100 km/h: 4.5s but I don't know how reliable the source is.
100%

Jarod.

[Bogdan]

I don't know about "the best RS" until know. Each and everyone of the models are a masterpiece in their own segment. The new RS6 isn't intended as a track car, so the TTRS should trash it arround some tracks, but then again, the TTRS will not even see the RS6'S rear light on a real world autoband. And I really think that the B7 RS4 has better track times than the TTRS will have, with everything stock. And that V8 sound and 40/60 rear quattro....
The TTRS will be another awesome RS product with great tuning possiblities, if you are into that. 4,5 sec to 100km/h seems a little strech out, more like 4,7 is my guess.

[artur777]

You overestimate its capabilities.
The car is nice, but at the same level as Cayman S.

IMHO, 2010 BMW Z4M with new V8 420PS will wipe out the floor with it....
Z4M will be equipped with DCT as well...

[Leadfoot]

You overestimate its capabilities.
The car is nice, but at the same level as Cayman S.

IMHO, 2010 BMW Z4M with new V8 420PS will wipe out the floor with it....
Z4M will be equipped with DCT as well...

You are probably right with regards to acceleration, I can't imagine the R8v8, RS4 or M3 keeping up with the Z4M but then I remember it's not a fixed roof coupe anymore, it's a hardtop convertible which usually adds about 200kgs to the overall weight.

Unless BMW do something similar to Mercedes Black Edition and ditch the folding roof for a permanent one then I doubt the Z4M will be a problem to any of these cars in acceleration or the track.

P.S.

I think we should wait the see how the TT/RS performs before either ruling it out against the others or even considering a future M that will lay waste to all before it. BMW if anything are going softer and less focused with each model but Audi seem to be doing the opposite.

[RacerBice]

Hey, c'mon....who cares about figures, the car is gonna have track abilities that are probably better but under any circumstances equal to those of the TTS (which is really something), it'll have pretty sweet straight line speed by comparison to basically anything short of the 100 KEUR mark, its cabin is by far superior to any BMW or Porsche and, most importantly its exterior looks are...well, simply brilliant, the coolest little machine to ever leave Audi factories. It makes the Cayman look bland, to say the least, and even a little like a Beetle next to the modern TT design with these new RS tweaks. And if at all quicker the Cayman S will be only a little so with a PDK, while being much more expensive. A fecking easy choice, if you ask me. Even if, contrary to my beliefs the TTRS would "only" manage 4,8 and 1:14,5.

:brag:

[RacerBice]

By the way, I seem to remember Sport Auto testing a tuned TTS with 315 BHP and race tyres doing the Heim in around 1:12. 25 BHP up on that, Magnetic Ride, a few but not too many extra kilos and a decent set of tyres should have the TTRS at least match the Cayman S at 1:14. But again........figures, figures....

[quattro Gmbh]

What usually cheers me up is to see how a low-tech car like a corvette is perfectly able to keep up with a hightech car as a porsche turbo. Some technologies seem to be mainly generating high costs and very litte practical advantages.

Of course it's a nice thing to have them if you are interested in high tech and have the money, but not having them has immensly few consequences in the real world.

Just look at this 'Golf' we're talking about and the cars we've ended up comparing it to :)

good but considering that the carrera gt can't keep up with a nissan gtr, technology has its advantages.

[Leadfoot]

By the way, I seem to remember Sport Auto testing a tuned TTS with 315 BHP and race tyres doing the Heim in around 1:12. 25 BHP up on that, Magnetic Ride, a few but not too many extra kilos and a decent set of tyres should have the TTRS at least match the Cayman S at 1:14. But again........figures, figures....

I'm sure the suspension that TT/S received was of race quality and it also had light weight alloys but I agree with your points. Everything should point to the TT/RS posting very quick lap times and according the Kerso it's acceleration figure should be decent too.

The biggest bonus and effect on lap time will be the choice of rubber, but this a thing is double edged because while it will undoubtably improve dry weather times the wet lap times will go to pot. Best to accept that given the right rubber the car could lap in such and such a time but pick the less aggressive rubber if you intend to do little or no trackdays.

[Leadfoot]

good but considering that the carrera gt can't keep up with a nissan gtr, technology has its advantages.

BTW the Carrera GT is far more technically advanced than the GTR, the bulk of the GTR's advantage is coming from having AWD and a mighty clever one at that. The gearbox isn't where the GTR is proving it's worth on the track.

[quattro Gmbh]

The technology in CGT you 're talking about relies on that it's a supercar and in terms of supercar mechanics it's of course superior. GTR doesn't have supercar mechanics but it has it's own technology. It's not all about AWD. Even computer simulations used for chassis dynamics evolved incredibly since cgt has been made until now.

[KresoF1]

good but considering that the carrera gt can't keep up with a nissan gtr, technology has its advantages.

Can keep up where? On the Ring? Did you read recent supercars comparison done by EVO on the Ring? Read it...

[quattro Gmbh]

I know about it and we all know that NRing is a track where horsepower speaks and that it's not the best track for awd if asphalt is dry and clean.

I mean that a supercar without todays electronics -like CGT- can't or can hardly keep up with a casual performance car with highend electronics.

The times I'm talking about are:
Top Gear Track
GTR 1:19.6
CGT 1:19.7
Vairano
CGT 1:17.4
GTR 1:17.6
Bedford Autodrome
CGT 1:23.3
GTR 1:23.6

[andreadebi]

press-embargo is not finished?

[The Pretender]

press-embargo is not finished?
No 3 march.

Jarod.

[artur777]

No 3 march.

Jarod.

KresoF1 told about 23rd of February as the last day for embargo.
KresoF1, did you?;)

[The Pretender]

KresoF1 told about 23rd of February as the last day for embargo.
KresoF1, did you?;)
Audi AG say there will not be any more pictures out till the press conference @ the Auto salon Geneva march the 3th.

Jarod.

[KresoF1]

KresoF1 told about 23rd of February as the last day for embargo.
KresoF1, did you?;)

Yes but, Audi Press web site changed that to 03rd March. Why? Do not have a clue... BTW, all pics and technical data are on Audi Press web site...

[andreadebi]

Yes but, Audi Press web site changed that to 03rd March. Why? Do not have a clue... BTW, all pics and technical data are on Audi Press web site...

which site exactly? restricted only for journalists?

[KresoF1]

which site exactly? restricted only for journalists?

Yes, Press only.

[artur777]

Yes, Press only.

Give us a hint pls:hahahehe:

[The Pretender]

Give us a hint pls:hahahehe:

https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/misc/login/dologin.html

Jarod.

[KresoF1]

If you are member of press like my brother you are registrated user. Login in and there are some nice pics and info...

[Leadfoot]

http://www.audi-press.co.uk/

Leadie.

[The Pretender]

TT RS weigh 1545 Kg can some one confirm this if it's truth. :bigeyes: :vhmmm:

Jarod.

[KresoF1]

TT RS weigh 1545 Kg can some one confirm this if it's truth. :bigeyes: :vhmmm:

Jarod.

EU or DIN wieght?

[Leadfoot]

TT RS weigh 1545 Kg can some one confirm this if it's truth. :bigeyes: :vhmmm:

Jarod.

If true then shock and fifty more of those :bigeyes: faces.

There is no way that the change of engine will result in such an increase unless it's using a different Haldex system from the rest which happens to have additional equipment, but even then we are talking of an increase of 150kgs over the manual TT/S. It most be a typo.

The figure I was told (though a long time ago was a target weight between 1400~1430kgs) by that could easily slip but not by over 100kgs.

P.S.

What the hell is that rear spoiler made out of ..... lead? :rolleyes:

[Leadfoot]

EU or DIN weight?

Even allowing for the 75kgs of ballast that some manufacturers include that would leave the TT/RS at 1470kgs or put another way, between 40~70kgs more than target weight.

[KresoF1]

Even allowing for the 75kgs of ballast that some manufacturers include that would leave the TT/RS at 1470kgs or put another way, between 40~70kgs more than target weight.

This is the reason for my question since I know exact weight...;)

TTS Coupe official weight is 1395kg and TT RS is heavier...

[Ruergard]

TT RS weigh 1545 Kg can some one confirm this if it's truth. :bigeyes: :vhmmm:

Jarod.

I hope someone can confirm that it's not true.... :bigeyes:

[The Pretender]

Every one say that the cast iron 3.2 VR6 engine is very heavy engine.
If the new R5T weigh more then that Audi have used the wrong materials for it.
They told me that the R5T engine would be made out of AMC-SC1 a special engineblock light weight material.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

This is the reason for my question since I know exact weight...;)

TTS Coupe official weight is 1395kg and TT RS is heavier...

I'm thinking it a typo that Jarod seen and the real weight is 1445 or 1455kgs, still more than I would have liked but if it really is 1545kgs then I am at a lose as to what they have done. :doh:

[SigmaS6]

Maybe the engine is made of pure gold... ;)

I mean an increase by 5 quarters of the TTS engine should be expected, maybe a bit more for haldex (btw, I don't remeber any info on such an upgrade in the press release notes?), but then what? The difference we're talking about here is more than a complete engine block, not just the difference.

[ChicagoAudi]

Interesting news on the engine block material. AMC-SC1 is a magnesium alloy explicitly developed for lightweight engine blocks. The material allows for an engine block to be significantly lighter than one developed from aluminium let alone cast iron.

If the new R5T block is fabricated from this material, it is conceivable that the TT-RS weight is less than the TT-S, not heavier. Furthermore, if the TT-RS is equipped with sport differential, more weight is positioned rearward, indicating that the weight distribution is more neutral than existing TT variants.

I guess we will learn more on 3 March.

[stinsy]

if those aren't actual, functional wind scoops in the front, then this is a joke. If they are, then it's sweet.

[stinsy]

hate how A5 and A4 don't have air inlets in the front anymore.

[quattro Gmbh]

Most probably the difference comes from new heavy weight Haldex XWD. It has amazing traction, I hope it compensates for the weight.

[Leadfoot]

We have discussed at length the output, the weight and the times that the TT/RS will lap but at yet no one has hazard a guess as to what the price it might be.

The TT/S starts at £32,100 and the S5 at £38,400, that a difference of £6,300 so can will expect the TT/RS to be priced similar to the S5 or will it command a slightly higher price tag than the S5 even though it has no more power just because it's a limited run RS model?

I think the limit for the TT/RS has to be no greater than £38~40K, anything higher and it's pricing itself out of the market because the Cayman S starts at £44K and regardless of what we all think about Audi cars, they aren't a Porsche and never will be.

[trick]

I also think 40k is too much of a barrier.

Prices for Coupes, taken from the Audi Configurator :

TT 2.0 TFSI 6-speed no options : 24,925 OTR

>>> Add quattro, heated leather, xenons, bigger brakes, bigger alloys + 50 bhp :

TT V6 3.2 6-speed no options : 29,665 OTR

>>> Add Sport MR, exclusive leather, LED lights, bodykit + 22 bhp :

TT-S 6-speed no options : 32,930 OTR

>>> Subtract MR, add vented brakes, bodykit, bigger alloys, Nav Plus, Sport button (lol) + 78 bhp :

TT-RS 6-speed no options : 38,900 OTR (guess)

If it has full XWD then add 500 to that for good measure.

[Leadfoot]

trick,

Thanks for the break down, I didn't go into it as closely.

I know if it goes beyond the £40K then I would have to think long and hard before I would throw my hard earned dosh down.

But if it's a quick as I believe it might be then even I could be persuaded to reconsider. :hahahehe:

[KresoF1]

TT RS German price will be bigger then expected. More then S5 Coupe for example...

[The Pretender]

TT RS German price will be bigger then expected. More then S5 Coupe for example...
In the Netherlands it will be ending up between 70.000,- and 100.000,- Euro's, German price + 1/3.

Jarod.

[SigmaS6]

>>> Subtract MR, add vented brakes, bodykit, bigger alloys, Nav Plus, Sport button (lol) + 78 bhp :
I don't think it will come with a navigation system, even the RS6 has none in the base package.


TT RS German price will be bigger then expected. More then S5 Coupe for example...
Strange though, I mean it has nearly the same power and is based on a cheaper platform, including things like the haldex, which is more a draw back than an advantage.

So I wonder why the price should be above S5 if you can't even choose a DSG and have to pay extra for MR, RS-seats etc.? What's the added value compared to the S5?

[The Pretender]

What's the added value compared to the S5?
It have a all new 2.5 litre Inline five TFSI.

Jarod.

[itisme]

It have a all new 2.5 litre Inline five TFSI.

Jarod.

Plus it is badged RS... I think this is worth it to be more expansive then a "ordinary" coupé from same brand.

[SigmaS6]

It have a all new 2.5 litre Inline five TFSI.
Which to me is a different approach to achieve more or less the same thing. I mean it's not something you're annoyed about to drive around with a V8, right?


Plus it is badged RS...
But I order my cars without badges whenever possible, can I get a rebate then? ;)

Well, let's see what the price of the car specced to my liking will be and how it compares to the S5 equivalent. Maybe they get even once they come out of the configurator.

[The Pretender]

Which to me is a different approach to achieve more or less the same thing. I mean it's not something you're annoyed about to drive around with a V8, right?


But I order my cars without badges whenever possible, can I get a rebate then? ;)

Well, let's see what the price of the car specced to my liking will be and how it compares to the S5 equivalent. Maybe they get even once they come out of the configurator.
I don't like V8's never have never will be.
Inline 5 or double five for me.
btw, the new S5 will have the new V6 3.0TFSI engine.

Jarod.

[trick]

I don't think it will come with a navigation system, even the RS6 has none in the base package.

You are probably right. I'm sure I read it somewhere, but can't find the reference now.

As for the S5 - the TT-RS is faster, (probably) lighter, more capable on a track.. and aimed at a completely different market.

[Leadfoot]

In the UK Satnav isn't standard on the RS6 so I doubt it will be on the TT/RS either.

[The Pretender]

As for the S5 - the TT-RS..... (probably) lighter....
I certainly hope so.

Jarod.

[QuattroFun]

TT RS German price will be bigger then expected. More then S5 Coupe for example...

Cayman S base price money then, huh? That is steep indeed for a 5-pot Audi, although I suppose it depends on how good the TT RS is, how comprehensive the standard equipment is and what the must-have options are. It remains to be seen if MR or standard SS is the way to go (aka R8 debate) and if ceramics are offered and are worth the money given the nose weight anyway. Hmmm.

[Leadfoot]

TT RS German price will be bigger then expected. More then S5 Coupe for example...

The S5 is 56900euros in Germany that is roughly £50K in the UK. But in the UK the S5 is only £39,400 or over £10K difference, so European members it's about time you get yourself over here and order you LHD Audis because for once Britain seems to be the place to buy cars cheaper.


Cayman S base price money then, huh? That is steep indeed for a 5-pot Audi, although I suppose it depends on how good the TT RS is, how comprehensive the standard equipment is and what the must-have options are. It remains to be seen if MR or standard SS is the way to go (aka R8 debate) and if ceramics are offered and are worth the money given the nose weight anyway. Hmmm.

If it's the price of the Cayman S then it's a huge FAIL in my books. If it's weighs as much as some here are suggesting then it's PTW is well short of the Cayman S and that means only one thing, it's acceleration once the traction advantage is over will be slower than the Cayman S, we know that it will be a tall order to beat the Cayman S around Hockenheim and to cap it all it's badge doesn't have the same status either.

For a TT/RS to command a price compatible to the Cayman S the TT has to beat it at everything from handling, performance, spec and image. Two of these (image and handling) will be very unlikely, spec should be a cert given that Porsche are tight assed on standard kit but performance all depend on weight.

One thing we all know that the TT/RS beats the Cayman and all other Porsches for that matter is it's noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVUGJgm5L7M :love: :love2: :heart:

[quattro Gmbh]

TTS beats Cayman 2.7 hands down around Hockenheim or any other track, why shouldn't TTRS beat Cayman S? Even if only the 2.5TFSI engine would be fitted into TTS without any other modification it would be very close to Cayman S on track, maybe better.

[Leadfoot]

TTS beats Cayman 2.7 hands down around Hockenheim or any other track, why shouldn't TTRS beat Cayman S? Even if only the 2.5TFSI engine would be fitted into TTS without any other modification it would be very close to Cayman S on track, maybe better.

I think it's a big ask for a TT/RS weighing 1545kgs of even matching the Cayman S around Hockenheim. If it's weight is miles off and the true figure is closer to that of the TT/S then I agree it is on the cards.

Spec is the big determining factor on this. A well specced Cayman S is a lot more than the quote figure for a stock example and I am yet to see a Cayman come out of the factory was anything other than about £8K of extras. You look and the RS4 and RS6 options list and you see a very small list to choose from, hopefully the TT/RS will be the same.

[KresoF1]

First, stock TTS can not beat FL Cayman 2.9L(equiped with PDK, PASM, 19", LSD and SC Plus) around Hockenheim. You will see that in forthcoming issue of SA.

Second, FL Cayman S Hockenheim time 1:13,9min(for car equiped with PDK, PASM, 19" and SC Plus) is truly excellent time. It is only 0.5s slower then R8 4.2 FSI or 997.2 Carrera S(with PDK, SPASM and SC Plus).

Let's wait and see.

[trick]

First, stock TTS can not beat FL Cayman 2.9L(equiped with PDK, PASM, 19", LSD and SC Plus) around Hockenheim. You will see that in forthcoming issue of SA.

Second, FL Cayman S Hockenheim time 1:13,9min(for car equiped with PDK, PASM, 19" and SC Plus) is truly excellent time. It is only 0.5s slower then R8 4.2 FSI or 997.2 Carrera S(with PDK, SPASM and SC Plus).

Let's wait and see.

Lol, stock vs fully loaded. Lets make it a fair comparison then!!! :thumb:

Stock S-Tronic TT-S = 33.5K (UK)

Your Spec Cayman S (3.4 V6 - the 2.9 is the basic Cayman) = 51.5K (UK)

Give me 18K to spend on that TT-S and the Cayman wont even see it's tail-lights :hihi:

I dont think the TT-RS has much to worry about from the baby Porsche.

[KresoF1]

Lol, stock vs fully loaded. Lets make it a fair comparison then!!! :thumb:


I dont think the TT-RS has much to worry about from the baby Porsche.

Yes, I am LOL at your post. Do you know TTS Hockenheim time? NO? I guess so.

It is 1:16,1min... BTW, S Tronic version is unlike PDK at Porsche little bit slower on the track overall.

As R8 4.2 FSI owner I can tell you that TTS is no match at all for FL Cayman 2.9L. I am Audi and Porsche fan and sportscar enthusiast, just not AUDIEIN addict...

[Leadfoot]

First, stock TTS can not beat FL Cayman 2.9L(equiped with PDK, PASM, 19", LSD and SC Plus) around Hockenheim. You will see that in forthcoming issue of SA.

Second, FL Cayman S Hockenheim time 1:13,9min(for car equiped with PDK, PASM, 19" and SC Plus) is truly excellent time. It is only 0.5s slower then R8 4.2 FSI or 997.2 Carrera S(with PDK, SPASM and SC Plus).

Let's wait and see.

If you fully equip a Cayman with all the performance goodies on offer then you may be right, but in doing so you end up with a Cayman costing over £41K and added over £5K of these performance extras. To achieve the same results with the TT/S all that is needed is a set of CUP tyres and maybe a £500 tuning chip.

Remember to compare like with like.

[trick]

Yes, I am LOL at your post. Do you know TTS Hockenheim time? NO? I guess so.

It is 1:16,1min... BTW, S Tronic version is unlike PDK at Porsche little bit slower on the track overall.

I think you might be confusing S-Tronic on the TT with R-Tronic in the R8?

Or have you got links to the track times of both a manual and an S-tronic TT-S? I would be very interested if this is true, given S-tronic's many advantages.


As R8 4.2 FSI owner I can tell you that TTS is no match at all for FL Cayman 2.9L.

Not sure what the R8 has to do with it but... the TT-S is also no match for a FL Atom, or a FL GT-R either...

A 100% stock TT-S is however much better than the equivilently priced 100% stock Cayman. It is also a very good match for the more expensive 100% stock Cayman S.

So.. long winded I know... but I dont see your point here?


I am Audi and Porsche fan and sportscar enthusiast, just not AUDIEIN addict...

We all are here - some of us even like non-German brands (I'll say that quietly incase a mod's listening).

[QuattroFun]

Tuning helps, but the basic setting is still the basic setting. In SA 12/2008 Raeder reported different set-ups for TTS: tyre choice dominates overwhelmingly. Or: adding 43PS, shedding 100kg, changing to movit brakes and KW suspension improved the HH lap time by a measly 0.8s compared with standard like-for-like (i.e. on same standard tyres). However, adding Dunlop Direzza tyres to this modification knocked off another 3.7s. With comparable tyres there is no way the TT RS will match the Cayman S on the HH. Period.

[Ruergard]

I think you might be confusing S-Tronic on the TT with R-Tronic in the R8?


Trust me, he's not! :thumb:

Porsches PDK is the best double clutch on the market, end of story.

It will be interesting to see how the TT-RS compares to the Cayman S. The TT must have some tricks up it's sleeve to make it I think... :mech:

[KresoF1]

I think you might be confusing S-Tronic on the TT with R-Tronic in the R8?

Or have you got links to the track times of both a manual and an S-tronic TT-S? I would be very interested if this is true, given S-tronic's many advantages.



Not sure what the R8 has to do with it but... the TT-S is also no match for a FL Atom, or a FL GT-R either...

A 100% stock TT-S is however much better than the equivilently priced 100% stock Cayman. It is also a very good match for the more expensive 100% stock Cayman S.

So.. long winded I know... but I dont see your point here?



We all are here - some of us even like non-German brands (I'll say that quietly incase a mod's listening).

No, I am not confusing S Tronic(DCT) with sequential manual a la R Tronic in R8.

My point is that mid engine layout car like Cayman S or R8 is better in overall drive dynamics then FWD(or Haldex AWD in TTS or TT RS case) transversal engine layout based TT. Of course, you may not agree with me...

Regarding TTS manual vs S Tronic Hockenheim track time it is unfortunately for you the truth. Manual example was faster and lighter overall.

TTS Manual 1:16,1min
TTS S Tronic 1:16,5min

Yes, marginal difference since both cars were with same tires and same equiment. Just S Tronic example was around 40kg heavier... All tests done by German Sport Auto and my good friend works for Motorpresse(company that publish both SA and AMS).

[The Pretender]

Based on the info i have is the TT RS faster then a R8 4.2 and as fast as a R8 5.2 up to the straits.
And based on that there is no Cayman fast enough.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

German Raeder Motorsport did a 7:49 min Ringtime with a completely tuned (±330 hp) and ± 100 Kg lighter Audi TT-S.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

Tuning helps, but the basic setting is still the basic setting. In SA 12/2008 Raeder reported different set-ups for TTS: tyre choice dominates overwhelmingly. Or: adding 43PS, shedding 100kg, changing to movit brakes and KW suspension improved the HH lap time by a measly 0.8s compared with standard like-for-like (i.e. on same standard tyres). However, adding Dunlop Direzza tyres to this modification knocked off another 3.7s. With comparable tyres there is no way the TT RS will match the Cayman S on the HH. Period.

Rubber is the single biggest difference one can make with any of these cars. To compare a stock TT/S against a Cayman with LSD, PDK, PASM and higher specced rubber is not like for like.

I don't know the rubber choice that Audi are offering with the TT/RS but if it's anything like the Dunlop or Michelin offerings then I would expect the TT to match any time set by the Cayman S.

[Leadfoot]

German Raeder Motorsport did a 7:49 min Ringtime with a completely tuned (±330 hp) and ± 100 Kg lighter Audi TT-S.

Jarod.

Well that matches the TT/RS on output but is probaby close to 150kgs lighter. So the question is, how much of a difference will an extra 150kgs make to that 7:49 time?

I reckon 8:04~6.

[trick]

Ok, I can't find the SportAuto stock S-Tronic/DSG test online but found the SA article that (I think) Quattrofun was talking about :

http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/tune-up/hxcms_article_517612_14469.hbs

Looks like Hockenheim in 1,12.0 after some pretty light mods and with decent tires?

[KresoF1]

Ok, I can't find the SportAuto stock S-Tronic/DSG test online but found the SA article that (I think) Quattrofun was talking about :

http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/tune-up/hxcms_article_517612_14469.hbs

Looks like Hockenheim in 1,12.0 after some pretty light mods and with decent tires?

This is the article-just read first part...
http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/tune-up/hxcms_article_517157_14469.hbs

This example of TTS with S Tronic was with 1463kg precisely 25kg heavier then manual example that SA used for Supertest.

So, TTS manual 1438kg 1:16,1min
TTS S Tronic 1463kg 1:17,1min

Just look very carefully at these weight figure-do you really think that TT RS will be lighter? Fully equiped(PDK, 19", PASM, LSD) Cayman S is 1450kg(measured figure) and if you order PCCBs(-12kg) and Buckets(-14kg) you can get very good weight. BTW, that Cayman S that achieved 1:13,9min was not equiped with PCCBs or Buckets...

[KresoF1]

Based on the info i have is the TT RS faster then a R8 4.2 and as fast as a R8 5.2 up to the straits.
And based on that there is no Cayman fast enough.

Jarod.

That is in collision with latest internal sale material about R8 5.2 FSI that I have.
Just a hint from it for you:"....forthocming TT RS is several seconds slower then R8 4.2 FSI on the Nordschleife which is about 10s slower then R8 5.2 FSI...".

Do you really think that TT RS will be faster on Hockenheim then:

Cayman S 1:13,9min
997.2 C4S 1:13,9min
R8 4.2 FSI 1:13,4min
997.2 CS 1:13,4min

All times with standard tires(optional 19" in Cayman S case). Bridgestone RE050 N1 on Porsches and Pirelli P Zero R01 on R8.

[Leadfoot]

That is in collision with latest internal sale material about R8 5.2 FSI that I have.
Just a hint from it for you:"....forthocming TT RS is several seconds slower then R8 4.2 FSI on the Nordschleife which is about 10s slower then R8 5.2 FSI...".

Do you really think that TT RS will be faster on Hockenheim then:

Cayman S 1:13,9min
997.2 C4S 1:13,9min
R8 4.2 FSI 1:13,4min
997.2 CS 1:13,4min

All times with standard tires(optional 19" in Cayman S case). Bridgestone RE050 N1 on Porsches and Pirelli P Zero R01 on R8.

R8 Nordschleife time was 7:58, how many seconds is several? The definition of 'several' is more than 2 but not many, I'm guessing about 5 or 6 seconds. ;)

I'm still confident of a 8:03~05 time for the TT/RS and I am also confident that the TT/RS will post a time around Hockenheim within half a second or there about of the Cayman S.

P.S.
What is the time of the Carrera C4 around both the ring and Hockenheim? In my opinion that is the best gauge for the ability of the TT/RS.

P.S.2
Does anyone have any idea as to what time the Audi R8v8 achieved in the hands of an Audi test driver?

Well it wasn't 7:58. ;)

[QuattroFun]

I hope the TT RS puts up an honorable fight on the track against the Cayman S. Even if it is a little slower there, I might well get one if it is a blast on the road. My reasoning is simple: on this side of the R8, TT RS has to be most sporty, hard core, entertaining and driver focused Audi the upcoming RS5 inluded - lowest weight of all RS cars R8 included. If it is not but rather a pimped up hairdressers' batmobile, then it really lacks purpose and justification altogether and Quattro GmbH has dropped the ball. We shall see.

[andreadebi]

wow! here the pics from geneve

http://www.asphalte.ch/Events/GVA09/Audi/Audi_01.html

[KresoF1]

wow! here the pics from geneve

http://www.asphalte.ch/Events/GVA09/Audi/Audi_01.html

Andrea, we cross-posted that same thing!:cheers:

[andreadebi]

Andrea, we cross-posted that same thing!:cheers:

Yes, I was 3 min faster :) :) :)

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

the Audi Website is updated:

http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/tt/tt_rs_coupe/technische_daten.html

Talking about the weight and performance worries... you got to keep the faith. :hihi:

Qisha

[tvrfan]

@ quisha

so does the TT-RS have Quattro XWD???

[TooFastForYou]

TT RS weigh 1545 Kg can some one confirm this if it's truth. :bigeyes: :vhmmm:

Jarod.

Coupè 1450 kg (RL 92/21/EWG, without driver, 90% fuel)
Roadster 1510 kg (RL 92/21/EWG, without driver, 90% fuel)

340 Hp 5400-6500 rpm
450 Nm 1600-5300 rpm
0-100 km/h 4,6 sec (4,7 sec Roadster)
0-200 km/h 15,9 sec (16,9 sec Roadster)
V/max 250 km/h (280 km/h optonal)

Brakes: 370 mm, drilled (front), 310 mm (rear)
Sport-Exhaust-System with black exhausts (optinal)
19", 20" wheels (optional)
S (Sport)-Button for Exhaust-System, engine, magnetic ride (optional)


9,2-9,5 l/100 km
214-221 g CO2/km

http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/tt/tt_rs_coupe/motor.html#source=http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/tt/tt_rs_coupe/technische_daten.html&container=page

CU - TFFY

[Leadfoot]

Those of little faith.

Audi have delivered on all fronts, not only is the weight close to their target goal but the engine is delivering right from 1600rpm all the way to the red line, a never ending push. This thing punches longer and harder than a 997C4 and with it's much better weight balance should more than better it's track abilities which are mighty impressive.

I have great expectations of it's track ability now that the weight is a whole 95kgs off what has been mentioned here. Next we need to know whether Audi will offer some sort of r-compound rubber to indicate their track intentions. :hahahehe:

Now all we need know is the price and where to sign on the dotted line. :hihi:

[Qisha]

Now all we need know is the price and where to sign on the dotted line.

Base Price Coupe: 55.800 Euro (Germany, Tax included)

Qisha

[KresoF1]

Those of little faith.

Audi have delivered on all fronts, not only is the weight close to their target goal but the engine is delivering right from 1600rpm all the way to the red line, a never ending push. This thing punches longer and harder than a 997C4 and with it's much better weight balance should more than better it's track abilities which are mighty impressive.

I have great expectations of it's track ability now that the weight is a whole 95kgs off what has been mentioned here. Next we need to know whether Audi will offer some sort of r-compound rubber to indicate their track intentions. :hahahehe:

Now all we need know is the price and where to sign on the dotted line. :hihi:

First. weight... 1450kg is with standard 18" and it is DIN figure. 1470kg is with optional 19" wheels. So, TT RS is not light at all. Add Navi, 19", Magnetic Ride and few more items and you are at 1500kg level...

Second, 0-200km/h in 15.9s is full 1s slower then R8 4.2 FSI official figure(14.9s).

Third, weight balance... Close to 70% sits on front axle...

Otherwise, nice little sportscar. I am interested to drive it before any idea about purchase.

[tvrfan]

its a heavy weight pig. with driver an options you get 1550 kg fast with the driver. the most thing which pisses me off is the fact that audi is so fucking stupid and give their new haldex XWD technology the Golf 6 GTI and doesnt put it in the TT-RS. how stupid can a carmaker be?!!!

[Leadfoot]

Base Price Coupe: 55.800 Euro (Germany, Tax included)

Qisha

S5 weighs in at 57.600 euros so in the UK the TT/RS will probably retail closer to £38K. PERFECT. :0:



First. weight... 1450kg is with standard 18" and it is DIN figure. 1470kg is with optional 19" wheels. So, TT RS is not light at all. Add Navi, 19", Magnetic Ride and few more items and you are at 1500kg level...

Second, 0-200km/h in 15.9s is full 1s slower then R8 4.2 FSI official figure(14.9s).

Third, weight balance... Close to 70% sits on front axle...

Otherwise, nice little sportscar. I am interested to drive it before any idea about purchase.

Normally an increase in rim size doesn't effect overall weight of the rim + tyre together, so I don't know how you have arrived at the 1470kgs figure. You are right that adding extras will increase the weight but as you point out else where, pick the right options will decrease the weight, items like sports Recaros.

0-200Km/h in 15.9s, that's quicker or as quick as the RS4 and M3 which is very impressive from only 340hp. Only time will tell whether it equals or betters this time but I bet some American rags will have a bloody good try.

Nearly 70% over the front axle???????????? Where did this figure come from, when a stock TT2.0TFSi fwd has 61% of the front axle without any of the rear drive hardware that comes with the Haldex system I would reckon 60% will be the absolute limit but I am expecting slighty less than even that.

[KresoF1]

70% was a typo from me. It is 60% of weight on front axle. About 2% more then on TTS.

Only way to decrease weight is to order Buckets and NOTHING else...

[Leadfoot]

its a heavy weight pig. with driver an options you get 1550 kg fast with the driver. the most thing which pisses me off is the fact that audi is so fucking stupid and give their new haldex XWD technology the Golf 6 GTI and doesnt put it in the TT-RS. how stupid can a carmaker be?!!!

The weight with driver will be 1525kgs not 1550kgs :0:, next the GTI doesn't have XWD, only the electronic LSD that is part of the complete system.

Would it not be advisable to wait for some review feed back or better still test it yourself before making such comments. If tail out antics are your only jollies then you are looking at the wrong brand my friend. :nono:

[TooFastForYou]

First. weight... 1450kg is with standard 18" and it is DIN figure. 1470kg is with optional 19" wheels. So, TT RS is not light at all. Add Navi, 19", Magnetic Ride and few more items and you are at 1500kg level...

Audi.de says it's NOT DIN, but RL 92/21/EWG like I said above, what means "ready to drive" (with all the engine and other fluids, 90% fuel, without driver)
Forget about the weight diffenrence for the Navi - Radio Concert is standard, clima is standard.
19 or 20" will add some kg's, but it's up to you, same for the magnetic ride, but you may choose the sportseats to save some weight (no side-airbag, no electric)

BTW - engine weight is 183 kg (49 cm lenght)

The TT-S in Sportauto Supertest (10/08) was weighed at 1436 kg, the car has been loaded with all options incl. magnetic ride, clima, navi, cd-changer, bose, etc



Second, 0-200km/h in 15.9s is full 1s slower then R8 4.2 FSI official figure(14.9s).

Audi R8 R-tronic in "Sportauto" (10/08)
0-100 km/h 4,8 sec
0-200 km/h 17,6 sec
Audi R8 manual in "Sportauto Supertest" (07/07)
0-100 km/h 4,7 sec
0-200 km/h 16,2 sec



Third, weight balance... Close to 70% sits on front axle...

Weight Balance of the TT-S in "Sportauto Supertest" (10/08) was 58,7% front, 41,3% rear
Weight of the "Standard" (not the S-Version) 2,0 TFSI is 152 kg, I don't think the +31 kg of the new engine will be that problem.

CU - TFFY

[Leadfoot]

70% was a typo from me. It is 60% of weight on front axle. About 2% more then on TTS.

Only way to decrease weight is to order Buckets and NOTHING else...


Well that is about right, though adding the driver and front passenger will improve this figure. I slight reckon it will have no worse a balance than the TT/S, when you compare the two engine weight I don't see how it could possibly be 2% worse.

Based on everything I know and have read I am expecting a car to get close to the Cayman S, maybe not as low as 1:13.9 but closer than most would have thought possible 6~8 months ago.

P.S.
How could anyone pick a Cayman S over the TT/RS, it's prettier looking, will be punchier, will out accelerate it, will be quicker in the wet and only slightly slower in the dry and is more practical as well. To pick the Porsche your priorities are either you live for that final bit of track speed or are an image monkey.

[KresoF1]

OK. 1450kg in ready to drive state as you said. It is not too much? OK...
How many future buyers will go for without option TT RS? 0.1% IMHO...

[Leadfoot]

OK. 1450kg in ready to drive state as you said. It is not too much? OK...
How many future buyers will go for without option TT RS? 0.1% IMHO...


His point was that damn near every option added only 20Kgs to the weight and picking sports Recaros will offset almost all of that added weight.

[KresoF1]

How could anyone pick a Cayman S over the TT/RS, it's prettier looking, will be punchier, will out accelerate it, will be quicker in the wet and only slightly slower in the dry and is more practical as well. To pick the Porsche your priorities are either you live for that final bit of track speed or are an image monkey.

Your manners are not your strongest issue I guess?

After driving R8 4.2 FSI only total ricer fan can choose TT RS. Of course, IMHO.

Regarding looks... Do you really find TT RS to be prettier car then Cayman S? Another OK, I guess... For me TT RS is the worst looking Audi in years, ricer like as much as possible.

[KresoF1]

His point was that damn near every option added only 20Kgs to the weight and picking sports Recaros will offset almost all of that added weight.

So, adding 20", Magnetic Ride, Full NAVI, CD changer etc. will add only 20kgs and Buckets will save that additional weight? No, my friend. Difference in weight between standard sportseats and Buckets in TT RS is only 7kg.

I will stop this debate right now since TT RS fans are becoming little bit overenthusiastic about it...

[Leadfoot]

Your manners are not your strongest issue I guess?

After driving R8 4.2 FSI only total ricer fan can choose TT RS. Of course, IMHO.

Regarding looks... Do you really find TT RS to be prettier car then Cayman S? Another OK, I guess... For me TT RS is the worst looking Audi in years, ricer like as much as possible.

I'm surprised you took that comment to heart, it's only an opinion I have for picking the Cayman S over the TT/RS. For a start that final 0.5s that we are debating over takes you to tick the LSD, PASM, 19" alloys and PDK boxes which all account for over £5K on top of the Cayman's already steeper price tag, so to choose such an expense for such a small improvement leads me to conclude that the final bit of extra performance on the track means a lot to someone, if not then the image of owning a Porsche has more value to someone than a Audi TT.

I don't personally like to look of the spoiler, in fact most 'die-hard' fans here are of the same opinion but as for the rest of the package I think it's there best looking car after the R8.

[quattro Gmbh]

Don't forget it's a 4WD car and let me point you out that it's lighter than Z4M, new Z4, 370Z and SLK55 AMG BS. It's only heavier than Cayman but that should not make us call TT a heavy weight car. Besides, if weight mattered that much, Nissan GTR would be one of the worst cars ever made.

[tvrfan]

was there ever a rumor that audi is working on a Quattro XWD??? ive really wanted to see the new quattro XWD. why hasnt audi do it? the RS models should offer all technology the quattro gmbh can offer. and the TT-RS without quattro XWD isnt complete. so i hope audi will change that in future RS models.

@ leadfoot. The LSD that the Golf 6 GTI has is a audi devopelment. so cant this diff work with haldex?

[quattro Gmbh]

As far as I know, XWD is a joint project between Saab and Haldex so it's not Audi technology at all. But they could've at least used Haldex 4th generation IMO.

Regarding looks, this is a photo shot in Istanbul where I live, back of Cayman looks ugly IMO, especially next to a Veyron.:)
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5267/dsci0510.jpg

[TooFastForYou]

So, adding 20", Magnetic Ride, Full NAVI, CD changer etc. will add only 20kgs and Buckets will save that additional weight? No, my friend. Difference in weight between standard sportseats and Buckets in TT RS is only 7kg.....

This is not what I said. I tried to point out that in consideration of all the options the TTRS will include as standard, there will not be many pissibilities to add much weight (navi is not that much heavier than concert, bose is not that much heavier than the standard-soundsystem, and so on)
With the optional Recaro's you'll be able to annule all the extra weight of INSIDE options.
OUTSIDE there will be magnetic ride - your choice, bigger wheels - also your choice, maybe another brand like OZ would be the better way for saving weight, Sport-exhaust-system - no info for that at this time, but like the name suggests it should also be lighter and not only black and louder :D


TTS (Coupè), (Audi.de) - 1395 kg
TTS (Coupe, all options apart from Recaro's), ("Sportauto") - 1438 kg
TTRS (Coupè), (Audi.de) - 1450 kg

BMW Z4 (new, 308 hp), (bmw.de) - 1580 kg
Nissan 370Z (336 hp) - 1466 kg
SLK 55 AMG (360 hp), (mercedes.de) - 1500 kg
Cayman S (320 hp), (porsche.de) - 1425 kg

Maybe the KTM Xbow would be something of your interest :jlol:
And as quattro GmbH said before - it's an AWD - add this and all the "RS-included-features" to the competitors (especially Porsche where you have to pay extra for ANYthing), and the difference in weight will be much more...


BTW - automatic rear spoiler will be an option, this will rectify the "ricy-look" ;)

CU - TFFY

[KresoF1]

Stationary rear spoiler is a must for 280km/h option. According to EU Price list that I have...

[tvrfan]

hey kreso f1 the TT-RS has haldex 4th gen.

[The Pretender]

BTW - automatic rear spoiler will be an option, this will rectify the "ricy-look" ;)
Best news of today. :thumb:

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

was there ever a rumor that audi is working on a Quattro XWD??? ive really wanted to see the new quattro XWD. why hasnt audi do it? the RS models should offer all technology the quattro gmbh can offer. and the TT-RS without quattro XWD isnt complete. so i hope audi will change that in future RS models.

@ leadfoot. The LSD that the Golf 6 GTI has is a audi devopelment. so cant this diff work with haldex?
Haldex XWD is the same as Haldex 4.

The term XWD is a trademark owned by Saab Automobile AB, and thus cannot be used by any other make.

Jarod.

[tvrfan]

the TTS has Haldex 4 right, so the TT-RS has Haldex 4 too?

[TooFastForYou]

New Pics.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090303.021/audi-tt-rs-world-debut-in-geneva

http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2010-tt_rs/

http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2010-tt_rs_roadster/

CU - TFFY

[Leadfoot]

the TTS has Haldex 4 right, so the TT-RS has Haldex 4 too?

Yes, that is why I suggested that it may have it's Haldex system tuned differently to that of the TT/S. Neither system whether the latest or earliest Haldex will shift more than 50% of it's power to the rear in normal conditions but in extreme situations can shift up to 85% of available torque to an individual wheel.

Normal runs the system will be putting about 85% of it's power to the front wheels and may shift as much as 50% to the rear when required, this shifting of power can and will cause the attitude of the car to change in a corner, curbing the excesses of understeer and may give the car a touch of oversteer. It will all depend on how the suspension, electronics and awd system are setup.

Though until anyone out side of Audi test it we will not know what if anything is different between it and the TT/S.

[trick]

Haldex XWD is the same as Haldex 4.

The term XWD is a trademark owned by Saab Automobile AB, and thus cannot be used by any other make.

Jarod.

Not true. Haldex 4.0 does not have the eLSD of XWD.

XWD is a Haldex trademark.

UK prices are high : £42,980 OTR for the Coupe and £44,880 for the Roadster.

There is a chart knocking around showing power delivery of the engine. It looks like there will be a feeling of lag below 1.6k - torque increases very rapidly from 240Nm at 1000 rpm to 450Nm at 1,600, and power more than doubles from 30Kw to 70Kw in the same short rev band. Because boost comes in so early and so suddenly, I can see this car being a bit of a handful in normal "about town" driving (hey, we dont all have dedicated track cars!).

Great news that the manufacturer's 0-100 times are quicker than SportAuto's R8v8 times :harass::R8: *



*(sorry kreso, couldn't resist!)

[andreadebi]

optional 20" wheels?

http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2010-tt_rs/1280x960/wallpaper_0d.htm

[Leadfoot]

UK prices are high : £42,980 OTR for the Coupe and £44,880 for the Roadster.

That's more than I expected given that the S5 is dearer in Germany than the TT/RS. I can only conclude that the UK car will be higher specced than the German one, probably MagneticRide will be standard here among other stuff.

Great to hear that an automatic spoiler will also be offered instead of the fixed one, it would be a bitch going through the automatic carwash. :lovl:

P.S.
Who cares about whether it comes with eLSD or not, if it quick on the track and a enjoy to drive surely that is the most important thing. Everything I have been told suggests that the TT/RS is a hoot to drive and is the best RS model to date.

[QuattroFun]

"Dafür sorgt der bewährte Allradantrieb quattro®. Mittels einer speziell angepassten Haldex-Kupplung der neuesten Generation verteilt er die Antriebskräfte auf alle vier Räder".

So is Audi not on top of the latest Haldex gen?

[trick]

That's a good question. The English press release states "enhanced quattro system capable of diverting almost all torque output rearwards".

Do they mean enhanced over the original Haldex 2 fitted to the V6 Mk II at launch?

Or : enhanced over the Haldex 4.0 fitted to the TTS, TDI and V6 from MY2008?

They have also made an error in stating that almost all torque output can be diverted to the rear, which is not possible with Haldex (the same error was in the original TTS launch material, but was later removed from Audi's website).

As far as I can tell, the German press release does not mention this.

[tvrfan]

SO does the TT-RS come standart without wing or with a automatic rear spoiler?

[trick]

SO does the TT-RS come standart without wing or with a automatic rear spoiler?

Automatic rear spolier is an option, but it cannot be added in conjunction with the delimiting option (allows top speed of 280kph vs 250kph).

[The Pretender]

Automatic rear spolier is an option, but it cannot be added in conjunction with the delimiting option (allows top speed of 280kph vs 250kph).
Why, can the automatic rear spoiler not handle speeds above 250 Km/h. ?

Jarod.

[tvrfan]

Why, can the automatic rear spoiler not handle speeds above 250 Km/h. ?

Jarod.

no but it would look better at 280 km/h :jlol:

[Rage]

Overall....im impressed.

And I like the rear spoiler (in black only)

[Leadfoot]

That's a good question. The English press release states "enhanced quattro system capable of diverting almost all torque output rearwards".

Do they mean enhanced over the original Haldex 2 fitted to the V6 Mk II at launch?

Or : enhanced over the Haldex 4.0 fitted to the TTS, TDI and V6 from MY2008?

They have also made an error in stating that almost all torque output can be diverted to the rear, which is not possible with Haldex (the same error was in the original TTS launch material, but was later removed from Audi's website).

As far as I can tell, the German press release does not mention this.

It is not in correct to say that almost all of the torque can be diverted to the rear, it's how you are reading and misunderstanding what that means.

Say the car has 200hp for an easy number to work with.

The normal situation for Haldex is 85%F and 15%R

FL=85hp + 85hp=FR

RL=15hp + 15hp=RR

Now up to 50% can go to the rear so you end up with

FL=50hp + 50hp=FR

RL=50hp + 50hp=RR

But if the front wheel hit ice then the torque going to the front can reduce down to 5% at each wheel and if 3 wheel hit ice then up to 85% can go to 1 wheel.

But the chances of this happening is remote and has no bearing on normal driving or track conditions.

P.S.
My understand is that quattroGmbH have tweaked the Haldex system to suit the TT/RS.

[KresoF1]

I emailed my NSU contact regarding several questions:

1. AWD is the SAME as in TTS. Just it handles bigger power and turque.

2. Standard sport suspension is faster on the track then optional Magnetic Ride.

3. 280km/h option is only possible with standard fixed spoiler.

4. 19" are the way to go. Car is the fastest around several tracks with 19".

5. Should be as fast as Cayman S PDK(equiped with all goodies) around Hockenheim and FASTER around Ring due to higher Doettinger Hoehe top speed.

6. Bucket seats are natural choice for TT RS coupe.

7. Acceleration wise it could be as fast as R8 4.2 FSI. Just, not as fast as R8 4.2 FSI on the track-there is a limit for transversal engine, Haldex AWD based sportscar.

8. His advice for me is to buy TT RS since to quote him:"...the sportiest quattro Gmbh RS model so far. Trust me on this!"

[Erik]

Great info. Gotta love my own forum. :D Thanks!

[The Pretender]

Yes that's the info i got to.
The TT RS will put the RS4 in his shadow.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

I emailed my NSU contact regarding several questions:

I too have been it touch with a fellow NSC contact for quite a while and there's my take on what I have been told regarding your list.

quote=KresoF1;154896]1. AWD is the SAME as in TTS. Just it handles bigger power and turque.[/quote]

I was told it was modified, maybe I misunderstood what he meant by this.


2. Standard sport suspension is faster on the track then optional Magnetic Ride.

Didn't discuss this at the time so don't know which is better 'overall', probably MagneticRide is the better compromise with mostly road use and the occasional trackdays.


3. 280km/h option is only possible with standard fixed spoiler.

Again I never discussed this but knew that all future RS models would be offered with raised speed limit option.


4. 19" are the way to go. Car is the fastest around several tracks with 19".

Again if track time is most important to you then 19" is the way to go but 18" is the better compromise for performance vs ride quality.


5. Should be as fast as Cayman S PDK(equiped with all goodies) around Hockenheim and FASTER around Ring due to higher Doettinger Hoehe top speed.

I was told that the TT/RS is the real reason for Porsche offering the Cayman and Boxster with LSD and it's recent power hike. I was told that the TT/RS in testing was quicker but didn't hear whether that was the Mk1 or Mk2 Cayman S, probably the former model.


6. Bucket seats are natural choice for TT RS coupe.

If your ass fits then I agree it's the best seat and suits the RS image better.


7. Acceleration wise it could be as fast as R8 4.2 FSI. Just, not as fast as R8 4.2 FSI on the track-there is a limit for transversal engine, Haldex AWD based sportscar.

I understand that it's close but the R8 still edges it out in acceleration. Track times should still be close but the R8 will be more rewarding to drive close to the limit because of it's mid-engined setup.


8. His advice for me is to buy TT RS since to quote him:"...the sportiest quattro Gmbh RS model so far. Trust me on this!"

It's uncanny how his comments mimic the ones I have been posting for weeks now. ;)

[QuattroFun]

On a lighter note, this is also kinda interesting trivia:

"An optional Sport exhaust system is available with matt black tailpipe trims and sound flap" (lets see if they actually deliver this time)

So both sport button affecting exhaust noise as well as an optional sports exhaust? So with sports button pressed and optional sports exhaust it tries to sound like a poor man's Gallardo Superleggera then?

[QuattroFun]

Also, I am not an engineer, but this sounds strange to me if the TT RS Haldex is not the same as in Insignia:

"Neu im quattro-Strang sind ein Gleichlaufgelenk vor der Kardanwelle und ein kompaktes Hinterachsdifferenzial, beides sind hochbelastbare Bauteile".

So what does a rear axel diff do in this context? Distribute power between the rear wheels like the sport diff in S4 or something else?

[Erik]

Fourtitude:

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_4694.shtml

[SigmaS6]

2. Standard sport suspension is faster on the track then optional Magnetic Ride.
Any idea how that can happen? I mean this is more or less a bug for a suspension that should be able to assume every suspension strength needed. How can one static damper be more efficient than one that adapts to the tarmac hundreds of times each second?



6. Bucket seats are natural choice for TT RS coupe.

Then why do they cost 2800 euros instead of being standard? ;)

Btw, your contact didn't say anything about an S-Tronic version?

[Leadfoot]

Any idea how that can happen? I mean this is more or less a bug for a suspension that should be able to assume every suspension strength needed. How can one static damper be more efficient than one that adapts to the tarmac hundreds of times each second?


Then why do they cost 2800 euros instead of being standard? ;)

Btw, your contact didn't say anything about an S-Tronic version?

I can relay what was told to me prior to the credit crunch taking hold. 'No S/Tronic at launch, still in r&d, the soonest to expect it would be 2010 but likely 2011.'

Now back then, which was only a few months ago the S/Tronic was and probably still is in development. I reckon the duration of this down turn will determine whether the TT/RS ever gets it. Personally I doubt it because RS models usually last no more than 2 years and 2011 is just under 2 years. But the way I look at it is that this engine will make it into future transverse models and it's potential of sales and variations of models is greater than what can be achieved from a manual gearbox alone.

[tvrfan]

so TT-RS has Haldex 4. thats good

BTW: any pictures of the optional automatic rear spoiler?

[Leadfoot]

so TT-RS has Haldex 4. thats good

BTW: any pictures of the optional automatic rear spoiler?

Yes it's using a form of Haldex 4 but according to what I have been told it's a 'modified' version of the TT/S system. Whether that is just a modification to cope with more power like what Kerso says or adapted to produce a more spirited character befitting a car produced by quattroGmbH is up for debate. I imagine it maybe be a form of both.

I think the reason we haven't seen any shots of the automatic spoiler is probably because it's the exact same as all other TTs.

[andreadebi]

what about 20" wheels? are 19" rs4 look?

[KresoF1]

No, 20" are RS4 look.

[andreadebi]

No, 20" are RS4 look.

Thanks! sorry I wanted better to say tt-rs 20" are the same look of 19" rs4..

[trick]

Again if track time is most important to you then 19" is the way to go but 18" is the better compromise for performance vs ride quality.


How can this be, with 18" brakes....?

[trick]

But if the front wheel hit ice then the torque going to the front can reduce down to 5% at each wheel and if 3 wheel hit ice then up to 85% can go to 1 wheel.

But the chances of this happening is remote and has no bearing on normal driving or track conditions.

Very true, except that is not going to help much - the wheel with 85% traction will lose traction as soon as it hits the ice that the front wheels are on! :)

I think that the changes will relate more to the haldex's ESP behaviour, which can sometimes feel out of alignment with the cars ESP on the TTS.

[Leadfoot]

Very true, except that is not going to help much - the wheel with 85% traction will lose traction as soon as it hits the ice that the front wheels are on! :)

I think that the changes will relate more to the haldex's ESP behaviour, which can sometimes feel out of alignment with the cars ESP on the TTS.

That's my point about the question of 'modification' that quattro have done to the TT/RS over the system in the TT/S. Kerso maybe right and the only thing altered was it's ability to cope with more power, but I think is may have gone deeper than that.

Obviously not a word of this will be mentioned because in doing so would suggest that the Haldex 4 in all the other TTs was inferior. Bad for PR and bad for sales.

Only when it's tested will we really know the extent of these 'modifications'. ;)

[Ruergard]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090304.034/audi-tt-rs-driving-footage

[trick]

I dont think there is a cost effective mod possible to give haldex this behaviour. It would need 2 more clutch packs for the front wheels, as they are pretty much standard FWD.

The power for the RWD comes from a 3rd propshaft which feeds a clutch which controls how much goes to the rear wheels.

The easy option would be to disconnect the front driveshafts altogether, and lock the front diff so that it forced 100% power to the rear :)

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

some more impressions...

Qisha

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3329266968_9236ec218d.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/3329269216_6b4a005a5e.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3314/3329263876_ed5d7e57dc.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3603/3328417833_aa58757fd4.jpg?v=0
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3328409379_d72eb88199.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3328406569_d0dc311ff6.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3329218214_7f7e02a76b.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3329207658_07e220415d.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3303/3329204580_56be0660b2.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3328364965_46fa81c45a.jpg?v=0

[Bogdan]

Very nice looking engine bay. It looks like the battery is placed in the luggage compartiment - weight distribution purposes / lack of space.

The spoiler is still ugly and I don't really like the front and rear lip that is in a different colour. I would go for white or silver colour just to avoid that distinction. But that's just me. IMpressive discs for the front, it should provide a lot of stopping force (370 mm )

[353S]

Very nice looking engine bay. It looks like the battery is placed in the luggage compartiment - weight distribution purposes / lack of space.


All Mk2 TT's have the battery in the rear.;)

[trick]

Wow... TTS seats come as standard ... and what happened to the TTS / TTDI white needles in the instrument cluster?

[Bogdan]

Didn't know that about the battery, my mistake

[Fab]

Hi guys long time no post but still reading you...

The TT RS is stunning :heart: what a great job Audi :thumb:

I am definitely considering a purchase. Since I'm Geneva based I go to see it live on Wednesday and probably ask my dealer to make a configuration on spot. I go for full black, black sport exhaust, carbon trims, 20" titanium wheels, bucket seats and electronic spoiler.

I understood the show car is priced at CHF 116k (EUR 79k or USD 100k).

The car has all I need : nice trunk, rear seats for children, great tuning potential.

I sold my RS4 last October (lack of use) and got a 500 Abarth opening edition for fun and daily work drive.

I am still considering a 911 4S mkII but the TT RS is insane, I love it (still miss my TT V6 roadster DSG).

I will keep you posted with the TT RS configuration. :wo:

[AndyBG]

Hi guys long time no post but still reading you...

The TT RS is stunning :heart: what a great job Audi :thumb:

I am definitely considering a purchase. Since I'm Geneva based I go to see it live on Wednesday and probably ask my dealer to make a configuration on spot. I go for full black, black sport exhaust, carbon trims, 20" titanium wheels, bucket seats and electronic spoiler.

I understood the show car is priced at CHF 116k (EUR 79k or USD 100k).

The car has all I need : nice trunk, rear seats for children, great tuning potential.

I sold my RS4 last October (lack of use) and got a 500 Abarth opening edition for fun and daily work drive.

I am still considering a 911 4S mkII but the TT RS is insane, I love it (still miss my TT V6 roadster DSG).

I will keep you posted with the TT RS configuration. :wo:

Hey, Fab! Nice to see you posting...! It was some time since your last post.

TT RS will be great fun, but totaly different anumal than RS 4...

:cheers:

[Slan]

According to a German Audi-Forum the rearwing will be an optional feature.

So it's possible to order the TT-RS with the standard TT wing. :dig:

The blue one looks brilliant!

[Ruergard]

Hi guys long time no post but still reading you...

The TT RS is stunning :heart: what a great job Audi :thumb:

I am definitely considering a purchase. Since I'm Geneva based I go to see it live on Wednesday and probably ask my dealer to make a configuration on spot. I go for full black, black sport exhaust, carbon trims, 20" titanium wheels, bucket seats and electronic spoiler.

I understood the show car is priced at CHF 116k (EUR 79k or USD 100k).

The car has all I need : nice trunk, rear seats for children, great tuning potential.

I sold my RS4 last October (lack of use) and got a 500 Abarth opening edition for fun and daily work drive.

I am still considering a 911 4S mkII but the TT RS is insane, I love it (still miss my TT V6 roadster DSG).

I will keep you posted with the TT RS configuration. :wo:

Hey! Long time since we saw you along, "welcome back"! :cheers:

Sad to hear about the RS4 but better about the TT-RS plans. Sounds like a nice configuration you've mentioned above.. Keep us posted!

Enginebay looks great... Makes me so happy to once again see a five-cylinder engine in Audis lineup. :love2:

[The Pretender]

According to a German Audi-Forum the rearwing will be an optional feature.

So it's possible to order the TT-RS with the standard TT wing. :dig:

The blue one looks brilliant!
No it's the other way around, the fixed wing is standard and the moving normal one a optional feature.
If you want the 280 Km/h option a fixed wing is manditory.

Jarod.

[Fab]

I am personally not sold with the fixed wing :rolleyes: so no 280km/h for me:nono:

[Ruergard]

On the Swedish Audi website the quoted times for 0-100 km/h is 4.6 for the coupé and 4.7 for the roadster. BUT, the 0-200 km/h time is 15.9 for the Coupé and 16,9 for the roadster.

15,9 seems quick, very quick if you ask me. Have I missed something or can someone confirm this? :ttaddict:

[The Pretender]

On the Swedish Audi website the quoted times for 0-100 km/h is 4.6 for the coupé and 4.7 for the roadster. BUT, the 0-200 km/h time is 15.9 for the Coupé and 16,9 for the roadster.

15,9 seems quick, very quick if you ask me. Have I missed something or can someone confirm this? :ttaddict:
The TT RS have more torque then the R8 4.2 V8.

Jarod.

[conneem]

On the Swedish Audi website the quoted times for 0-100 km/h is 4.6 for the coupé and 4.7 for the roadster. BUT, the 0-200 km/h time is 15.9 for the Coupé and 16,9 for the roadster.

15,9 seems quick, very quick if you ask me. Have I missed something or can someone confirm this? :ttaddict:


The TTS does it in ~22s so with an extra 70ps and 100nm I think it is totally possible :hahahehe:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/th_SportAuto-7.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/?action=view&current=SportAuto-7.jpg)

[Ruergard]

It sure should be possible, and very good if it's true. I just wasn't expecting it be that quick... :bow:

[Fab]

The TTS does it in ~22s so with an extra 70ps and 100nm I think it is totally possible :hahahehe:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/th_SportAuto-7.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/?action=view&current=SportAuto-7.jpg) whow from 22sec to 15.9sec that is huge

I love this TT RS

[conneem]

whow from 22sec to 15.9sec that is huge

I love this TT RS

It is quite a difference but it is believable if you not only look at the extra peak power and torque in the RS but the power delivery, the TTS has peak torque from 2,500-5,000rpm but the TT-RS gives peak torque from 1,600-5,300rpm :revs:

0-200km/h in 15.9s should put it slightly ahead of the new facelifted CaymanS which does it in ~17.5s :race:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/th_scan010004pk3.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u142/conneem/Tests/?action=view&current=scan010004pk3.jpg)

[Leadfoot]

Looking at everything, the times achieved by both the Cayman S, the TT/S and the new S4 v6 I can't believe that the TT/RS is capable of a 15.9s time, I think a more realistic time somewhere in between that and the 17.5s of the Caymans, like 16.4s which is slightly better than mid way between the two and even that would be a seriously quick time that is more than a match for the RS4, the M3, the SLK55amg, the Z4M and even the Carrera C2 and C4.

I think the place where the TT/RS power will show most is it's in-gear times, this thing will be a powerhouse compared to it's naturally aspirated rivals. :dig:

P.S.

Did you notice the 0-100km/h time of the Cayman S, 4.6s :bow: respect.

[Fab]

TT RS might not achieve 15.9sec but should be very close in future real tests. Indeed this is M3/RS4/R8 territory and seems unrealistic but I don't see Audi cheating that much on chronos.

Even if 16.5sec seems more resonable it remains seriously quick and remains in the V8 team mentionned above but most importantly leaves the crocodile 1sec behind which is a lot :applause:

Last but not least (as we all know) a basic, reliable and guaranted chip (lets say 380hp) will bring this thing to another league.

Tonight I ask my dealer at the auto show for configuration, price and discount of course.

I love it :deal:

[Kliko]

@Fab

Exactly, I was also thinking about a chip for the TT-RS, then it has around 390HP which should be enough to do +- 16 seconds to 200 km/h.

But especially the in-gear times with a chip would be very lovely to drive this thing I think...

[Fab]

no doubt it will be a killer but a test drive is needed before taking any action (and convicing my wife :vhmmm:)

As you may know stage 1 remap for Audi (turbo) cars does not waive warranty which makes it a no brainer (I remapped all my turbo Audis)

I owned a TT V6 DSG roadster for about 2 years and I loved it. The new TT is far better than MKI and the RS just gives me a great feeling. This car will I think get great feedback.

Looking forward to more concrete stuff soon. The good news is that it is available immediately not like the RS4 V8 for which we had to wait for ages before being able to order it.

[SigmaS6]

As you may know stage 1 remap for Audi (turbo) cars does not waive warranty
In which country does Audi guarantee for tuners work?

[chewym]

Just noticed the giant price difference between TTS and the Cayman S.

[Fab]

In which country does Audi guarantee for tuners work?
Switzerland. I am only talking about stage 1 remap (pure electronic). ABT works directly with Audi and you can get the chip installed in your brand new car before taking delivery.

[The Pretender]

Switzerland. I am only talking about stage 1 remap (pure electronic). ABT works directly with Audi and you can get the chip installed in your brand new car before taking delivery.
Abt work with Audi.nl for tuning with full factory support.

Jarod.