R8 V10 Drivers Republic impressions [Archive] - RS6.com

Leadfoot

February 18th, 2009, 16:30

We all knew that the R8 desired more power but also felt it might spoil that fine balance the V8 version enjoyed. Well by the looks of it the V10 has turned up the wick on just about everything.

Can't wait to see a few comparison tests and see just how much quick it is on the mighty ring now that power isn't an issue.

KresoF1

February 18th, 2009, 17:53

Regarding the Ring I can already tell you-not fast enough. Unfortunately despite nice effort by Audi technical stuff first report that I got is not very good. Hint-high 7.4Xmin...

Ruergard

February 18th, 2009, 19:46

"If power really does corrupt, then this is the exception to prove the rule." :R8:

Seems like Audi has done most of the things right with this car, again.

RXBG

February 18th, 2009, 19:57

Ruergard

February 18th, 2009, 20:05

not much faster than E46 CS? sounds weird. what was the lp560 time?

You must mean the CSL? The M3 E46 CS isn't that quick.

The LP560-4 did 7:52 in Sportauto supertest.

But if I'm not mistaken there was, and still is a lot of talking about this time. For me it still sounds a bit slow... If you look at the other times it have been posting.

KresoF1

February 18th, 2009, 20:06

not much faster than E46 CS? sounds weird. what was the lp560 time?

Ok, little bit of clarification is needed...

Ring times by Sport Auto:

Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7.52min
Porsche 997.2 Carrera S 7.50min
Ferrari 430 Scuderia 7.39min
Porsche 997 GT2 7.33min

All times achieved with sport tires(Cups on Porsches and Corsas on Ferrari and Lambo). Old R8 4.2 FSI time do not count since Ring was resurfaced on some sectors in the mean time. R8 5.2 FSI hint time was achieved on very cold day and Ring was not totally empty(mid traffic). Just according to some sector times low 7.4Xmin is possible.

One other info-gearing on R8 V10 is pretty different then on R8 V8. V10 gearing is far better for track driving so, do not be supriesed if R8 V10 turns out much faster on most tracks then R8 V8. Also, Magnetic Ride is tuned little bit differently(less body roll in both modes)-another key element for faster track time.

Ruergard

February 18th, 2009, 20:08

Interesting info, thanks!

RXBG

February 18th, 2009, 20:20

artur777

February 18th, 2009, 21:21

KresoF1

February 19th, 2009, 07:09

KresoF1,
from your post it is clear that R8 V10 wount be able to overcome 997 Turbo not saying about 997.2 Turbo.
Why is it so?
I dont understand, becuase R8 V10 is mid-engined, good gearing, ultimate handling...
why:?

997 Turbo Ring time is 7.52min and R8 V10 will be faster. Maybe even much faster. For your info 997.2 Turbo test mules even with PDK were making the same Ring time as R8 V10.

@RXBG; M3 CSL(e46) time was 7.50min with racing Cups and since Ring was resurfaced on fee sectors it do not count any more...

Beating 430 Scuderia? It wont happened...

RXBG

February 19th, 2009, 13:48

kerso- i think it will come within ejaculation distance of the scuderia time.

wedouglas

February 19th, 2009, 22:05

kerso- i think it will come within ejaculation distance of the scuderia time.

No way. It just doesn't have the power/weight.

RXBG

February 20th, 2009, 02:50

No way. It just doesn't have the power/weight.

well, you wouldn't expect that with a 200lb weight penalty and 30 hp less it would be faster than the LP560 around the ring.

wedouglas

February 20th, 2009, 03:17

well, you wouldn't expect that with a 200lb weight penalty and 30 hp less it would be faster than the LP560 around the ring.

As most will tell you, the LP time is very suspect.

Ruergard

February 20th, 2009, 06:03

@RXBG; M3 CSL(e46) time was 7.50min with racing Cups and since Ring was resurfaced on fee sectors it do not count any more...

Do you got any info on when the ring was re-surfaced and where on the mighty track the work did place? :mech:

Thanks!

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 07:17

About a year ago. Partially resurfaced is on Sector 1(Flugplatz and Scwedenkreuz) and Sector 4(around Pflanzgarten). Ring is now 6s-8s faster depending on the car and tires.

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 10:42

Some info from R8 5.2 FSI official brochure...

R Tronic
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.0s
1625kg

Manual
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-200km/h:12.3s
1620kg

R Tronic acceleration advantage is only with LC ON.

Weight in both cases is for German model with standard brakes and standard electric seats. If you order Ceramics(-10kg) and Bucket seats(-12kg only in EU and some ROW countries, NOT for USA/Canada) you can shave 22kg in total.

The RS6

February 20th, 2009, 11:08

R-Tronic is only faster 100-200? If the LC was off it would be slower 0-100 than manual? :-o

tvrfan

February 20th, 2009, 12:29

audi doesnt have it with their acceleration numbers. iam sure the R-tronic can do 0-100km/h in 3.6 sec. and for manual 3.8 i think.

RXBG

February 20th, 2009, 14:15

i'd say it can do 0-60 in 3.6 with both trannys. official 0-60 for the V8 is 4.6 for god's sakes and it can rip 4.0 flat.

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 16:04

Let's wait first tests by German magazines and see... Do not forget that R8 V8 is in fact underperformer. In ALL German, Italian and UK tests it could not achieve factory 0-200km/h time-14.9s. The fastest example did 15.2s tested by German Auto Bild Sportscar edition...
I expect that manual R8 V10 will meet its factory data.

AndyBG

February 20th, 2009, 16:05

I'm still convinced that manuall is way to go with R8, either 4.2 or 5.2... R-tronic isn't what it suposed to be.

Damienr8

February 20th, 2009, 16:15

yes. meant the CSL- did 7:40 if memory serves well. i expect the V10 to beat the scuderia time.

kreso- the magnaride is adjusted but stiffer to compensate for the added weight while supposedly yielding the same handling characteristics at the V8.

As fierce as the R8v10 is, the resurfacing of the track and maybe better weather conditions, i still do not see the R8 beating the scuderia times.

I hope that i am wrong RXBG, terribly Wrong.. hehe.

tvrfan

February 20th, 2009, 16:19

nope M3 E46 CSL did 7.52 on the ring.

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 16:27

nope M3 E46 CSL did 7.52 on the ring.

Read the thread from the start-we already discussed it. It was 7.50min BTW with first generation of Michelin Cups...

Z07

February 20th, 2009, 17:20

Regarding the Ring I can already tell you-not fast enough. Unfortunately despite nice effort by Audi technical stuff first report that I got is not very good. Hint-high 7.4Xmin...
You have to take 'ring times with a pinch of salt. It's a huge track and a difference of driver and testing time/conditions can make a monumental difference. There really is as much as a 20s swing either way between a full-on test team set up for the purpose of achieving the best result and a pro-driver going out and doing some laps. To write a car off for a 7.4X is daft. In other hands, with weeks of testing, it could easily be a 7.3X or even a 7.2X.

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 17:24

Look, low 7.3Xmin is not possible for R8 5.2 FSI. 7.2Xmin is pure SF...
I KNOW unofficial Ring time for R8 5.2 FSI. It is good time...

Leadfoot

February 20th, 2009, 18:16

The R8 will be better than the LP560 but not the Scuderia sorry to say. Though I do expect it to post an amazing time on Hockenheim and Bedford Autodrome among others. Also it should better the time achieved by the 997tt but we will have to see how Horst is on the day and more importantly what the weather will be like.

P.S.

Kerso is there a typo with the weight figures of either R8, surely the difference should be more than 5kgs.

KresoF1

February 20th, 2009, 19:12

Kreso is there a typo with the weight figures of either R8, surely the difference should be more than 5kgs.

No, difference is 5kg.

Leadfoot

February 20th, 2009, 20:25

No, difference is 5kg.

Is that the same for the V8? I honestly thought the difference was much greater than that.

Great car with either transmission, the popular opinion among testers is that the manual is the better buy, though the R/Tronic is the quicker on the track.

KresoF1

February 21st, 2009, 07:44

Is that the same for the V8? I honestly thought the difference was much greater than that.

Great car with either transmission, the popular opinion among testers is that the manual is the better buy, though the R/Tronic is the quicker on the track.

Actually, with R8 V8 manual was quicker on the track and I belive that the same thing will be with V10. Why? First LC is not any help on the track(flying start) and R Tronic fashion on chaging gears sometimes bring unexpected nervousness on the rear axle... Manual(specially if you know how to H/n/T) is far better choice IMHO.

Leadfoot

February 21st, 2009, 14:25

I have only ever driven manuals on track so I honestly can't comment either way, though I would have thought the reverse would be true.

I can't wait to see some comparison tests to see if now finally the R8 has the power it can really kick some butt around the track. Up to now it's been it's only weakness and stopped it achieving legendary status.

Z07

February 21st, 2009, 18:27

The R8 will be better than the LP560 but not the Scuderia sorry to say.
How do you know how good the Scuderia really is? I reckon the Scuderia is a 7:2X car with enough wheel time. It's nearly 1s/min faster than a GT2 on most other tracks. The LP560 is certainly more than a 7:4X car too. Here's a story. LP560 vs 997TT. 997 gets annihilated everytime, yet it's ran a 7:40, supposedly faster than an LP560.

Scuderia - 2s faster than a GT2 on Bedford Autodrome, or 1s faster without adjusted tyre pressures. Marginally faster than a GT2 from 0-160mph too, yet on the 'ring the GT2 is supposedly 5s faster because Sport Auto says so.

There's some apples to oranges comparisons here. If I take an R8 V10 to the 'ring and run 9:XX after 4 laps, that doesn't make it a 9:XX car. That's just because I'm a shit driver with virtually no 'ring experience.

Low 7:3X is very possible for an R8 V10. Mid to high 7:3X is a certainty with the 'ring closed off for some time with plenty of tyres and brake pads to hand.

tvrfan

February 21st, 2009, 18:37

no chance 7.3x time would be Carrera GT teretory

i think R8 V10 could do 7.42 min

Z07

February 21st, 2009, 19:12

no chance 7.3x time would be Carrera GT teretory

And why would a Carrera GT's time be untouchable? You forget that a ZR1 can make 7:22. A Scuderia can match/beat an Enzo on many tracks. Time moves fast. Yesterday's supercars are now distinctly average.

Ruergard

February 21st, 2009, 19:52

And why would a Carrera GT's time be untouchable? You forget that a ZR1 can make 7:22. A Scuderia can match/beat an Enzo on many tracks. Time moves fast. Yesterday's supercars are now distinctly average.

Do not mix factory times with Sportauto times, two different storys.

But as you say, 5 year old supercars isn't that quick anymore.. The power for going in straight lines is still there. But for going around corners the technology is moving fast.

KresoF1

February 21st, 2009, 19:58

Do not mix factory times with Sportauto times, two different storys.

Nicelly said.

Again for comparison only few recent Sport Auto Ring times(all with sport tires):

Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7.52min(here few words needs to be said since Lamborghini admit that unfortunately LP560-4 suspension tuning was not good for very fast Ring time. Unofficial LP560-4 factory time is 7.45min)

Porsche 997.2 Carrera S 7.50min(PDK, SPASM, PCCB)

Ferrari 430 Scuderia 7.39min

Porsche 997 GT2 7.33min

Factory time of Scud is 7.35min and GT2 is 7.32min so, Horst was in pretty good form in both cars.

Z07

February 21st, 2009, 21:10

In the right hands a Scuderia or an LP560 is faster than a GT2 on any track. Sport Auto have a penchant for only being able to get the best out of Porsches.

Ruergard

February 21st, 2009, 21:32

In the right hands a Scuderia or an LP560 is faster than a GT2 on any track. Sport Auto have a penchant for only being able to get the best out of Porsches.

"Factory time of Scud is 7.35min and GT2 is 7.32min so, Horst was in pretty good form in both cars."

"Unofficial LP560-4 factory time is 7.45min."

Seems like it just isn't, and I'm not with you on that. The GT2 is one hell of a car and I think it could surely show the LP560-4 some tricks on a track. In the right hands that is.

Z07

February 22nd, 2009, 00:07

"Factory time of Scud is 7.35min and GT2 is 7.32min so, Horst was in pretty good form in both cars."

"Unofficial LP560-4 factory time is 7.45min."

Seems like it just isn't, and I'm not with you on that. The GT2 is one hell of a car and I think it could surely show the LP560-4 some tricks on a track. In the right hands that is.
You're not getting the point I'm making. Porsche test the hell out of their cars on the 'ring. Lamborghini don't and neither do Ferrari. Based on all other comparisons, both cars are ~1s/minute faster than a GT2. Streets of Willow, Willow Springs, El Toro, Bedford Autodrome. All same driver, same day, back-to-back.

Drivers Republic only made 7:49 with the GT2. There's a huge variation in these times. It depends on how long the factory test cars at the 'ring for. Porsche do far more 'ring laps. I stand by my claim that with equal effort, the Scuderia is a 7:2X car and the R8 V10 is a 7:3X car.

Bluehinder

February 22nd, 2009, 03:00

You're not getting the point I'm making. Porsche test the hell out of their cars on the 'ring. Lamborghini don't and neither do Ferrari. Based on all other comparisons, both cars are ~1s/minute faster than a GT2. Streets of Willow, Willow Springs, El Toro, Bedford Autodrome. All same driver, same day, back-to-back.

Drivers Republic only made 7:49 with the GT2. There's a huge variation in these times. It depends on how long the factory test cars at the 'ring for. Porsche do far more 'ring laps. I stand by my claim that with equal effort, the Scuderia is a 7:2X car and the R8 V10 is a 7:3X car.

Agree with that.

RXBG

February 22nd, 2009, 12:27

there should be a way to incite manufacturers to standardize testing- so that ring times can be comparable. i.e. get their best test pilot on an empty ring in dry cool weather and run 2-3 times. the best of these is official. this should also be done on the same day. wouldn;t it be nice if the manuf were man enough to say yes to this idea.

then everyone could shut up :P

Leadfoot

February 22nd, 2009, 15:46

RXBG,

With the best will in the world such a thing would be impossible. The best we could hope for is that each of the main rivals be tested over a couple of day together.

I reckon that they should list manufacturers times on stock cars after all the development work has been done. Then you are getting the best drivers most familiar with the cars driving the track countless times with only their best time being posted.

The GTR debate is the perfect example of no one getting close to matching Nissan's time. There is numerous similar stories of manufacturers times being well ahead of times recorded by the likes of Sport Auto and other testers which use the ring, all that shows is given long enough you will dramatically improve your time.

wedouglas

February 23rd, 2009, 10:33

RXBG

February 23rd, 2009, 13:40

If you are that concerned with lap times, buy the R8 GT3. And for another 250K Euros you can get factory support from Audi.

but then we'd have a thread about how it is not an accurate time because someone farted the wrong way while i was doing my lap.

Leadfoot

February 23rd, 2009, 15:40

but then we'd have a thread about how it is not an accurate time because someone farted the wrong way while i was doing my lap.

Given the grip levels of racing rubber and the aerodynamic effects of that body I would say the only farting being done would be coming from your own arse with the high probability of a follow through. :blush: :hihi:

RXBG

February 23rd, 2009, 16:14

Given the grip levels of racing rubber and the aerodynamic effects of that body I would say the only farting being done would be coming from your own arse with the high probability of a follow through. :blush: :hihi:

i guess you wouldn't want to ride along with me in my R8 GT3 huh leadie?

:lovl:

Leadfoot

February 23rd, 2009, 16:32

i guess you wouldn't want to ride along with me in my R8 GT3 huh leadie?

:lovl:

You ain't kidding, which would I fear most, the possibility of crashing or being gas-ed. :rolleyes:

KresoF1

February 23rd, 2009, 16:34

i guess you wouldn't want to ride along with me in my R8 GT3 huh leadie?

:lovl:

I do not know if Leadie is really up to Fart side of the force...http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/ekelig/c010.gif