Porsche 997.2 GT3

[KresoF1]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090129.009/2010-porsche-911-gt3-official-details---video--hi-res-images

[KresoF1]

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911gt3/germany.aspx

[AndyBG]

I know it is very UN-popular to love Porsche these days, but this is...

...FANTASTIC VEHICLE!!! :revs:

[kju]

Unspectacular in my eyes. I dont get why people buy this overpriced retro beetles....

[Mihnea@MRC]

Unspectacular in my eyes. I dont get why people buy this overpriced retro beetles....


Drive one, you might realize why ;)

[KresoF1]

Unspectacular in my eyes. I dont get why people buy this overpriced retro beetles....

...called 997.2 GT3 that is faster on the Nordschleife and Hockenheim then Audi R8 V10.

BTW, full specs 997.2 GT3 is still about 25K € less then full specs R8 V10.

[AndyBG]

Unspectacular in my eyes. I dont get why people buy this overpriced retro beetles....

...Nice joke... ;)

[JavierNuvolari]

...called 997.2 GT3 that is faster on the Nordschleife and Hockenheim then Audi R8 V10.

BTW, full specs 997.2 GT3 is still about 25K € less then full specs R8 V10.

Agreed, but they are totally different cars mate. A striped out version of a R8 V8 would probably put up a good fight against this beast.

[AndyBG]

This is GT3, and it isn't that much striped out...GT3 RS is, but R8 ''suffers'' B/C of ''quattro''...

R8=1635 Kg
997 ''non-facelift'' GT3=1470 kg

[KresoF1]

997.2 GT3 EU weight is also 1470kg. With new standard brakes that are bigger then before(380mm fronts and 350mm rears).

[artur777]

997.2 GT3 EU weight is also 1470kg. With new standard brakes that are bigger then before(380mm fronts and 350mm rears).

what is its expected time on the Ring?

the car is wonderful...
maunal only BTW as we all expected

[KresoF1]

what is its expected time on the Ring?

the car is wonderful...
maunal only BTW as we all expected

Unofficial claim is 7.40min or better!
Yes, manual only-this is a true sportscar.
BTW, 0-200km/h: 12.3s

[Ruergard]

I just fell in love again, what a machine.... :love:

A quick one as well, the claimed ring time is very impressive. So is the 0-200 km/h sprint, seems like Porsche have done it again...

[artur777]

Unofficial claim is 7.40min or better!
Yes, manual only-this is a true sportscar.
BTW, 0-200km/h: 12.3s

Amazingly fast!
What will be the expected time of 997.2 Turbo for 0-200 and Ring time?
Will it be even faster?
If yes - even LP640 and GTR will be chasing Porsche once again...

[Erik]

Centre bolt wheels? wow :thumb:

No PKD?

What a joke! :harass:

[KresoF1]

Regarding 997.2 Turbo I do not know yet...

Current ultimate sportscar combo is IMHO Audi R8 V10 and Porsche 997.2 GT3. Both different but, true sportscars!

[KresoF1]

Centre bolt wheels? wow :thumb:

No PKD?

What a joke! :harass:

Hmm... Did not expect that kind of comment about PDK from you...

[AndyBG]

Amazingly fast!
What will be the expected time of 997.2 Turbo for 0-200 and Ring time?
Will it be even faster?
If yes - even LP640 and GTR will be chasing Porsche once again...

...and then 997.2 GT2 will come... :king:

[Erik]

Hmm... Did not expect that kind of comment about PDK from you...

Ok, why? I have always loved DSG and the likes. Man machine interface, at its best.

I like manuals, but today buyers MUST have the option.

Porsche seems to be the last among the large manufacturers to offer an option like or similar to this. :stick: :noshake:

[KresoF1]

Ok, here we go:

Audi R8 manual(great gated one!) and true joke called R Tronic a ka the worst sequential manual on the market. Nobody except Ferrari use sequential manual any more...

Porsche made PDK(with a lot of help from ZF)-the best current DCT on the market. Just, unfortunately it is still not ready for usage in GT3 since it is still using GT1 block based engine.

[AndyBG]

Ok, here we go:

Audi R8 manual(great gated one!) and true joke called R Tronic a ka the worst sequential manual on the market. Nobody except Ferrari use sequential manual any more...

Porsche made PDK(with a lot of help from ZF)-the best current DCT on the market. Just, unfortunately it is still not ready for usage in GT3 since it is still using GT1 block based engine.

So correct!

[Erik]

Porsche made PDK(with a lot of help from ZF)-the best current DCT on the market. Just, unfortunately it is still not ready for usage in GT3 since it is still using GT1 block based engine.

If I bought an R8 it would be manual. For known reasons. :stick:

Not my problem if Porsche can't get the engine working with the rest of their technology. They should have had this on the market since many years IMO.
Leaders or following?

And BMW seems to be the only ones to do it right with the +/- up/down shifts. :thumb:

[artur777]

Ok, here we go:

Audi R8 manual(great gated one!) and true joke called R Tronic a ka the worst sequential manual on the market. Nobody except Ferrari use sequential manual any more...

Porsche made PDK(with a lot of help from ZF)-the best current DCT on the market. Just, unfortunately it is still not ready for usage in GT3 since it is still using GT1 block based engine.

the engine in updated GT3 is non-DFI?
why?
Carreras are DFI already...

Turbo FL - will it be DFI engined or just increased to 3.8l?

[KresoF1]

It is not possible to implement DFI in GT1 block. BUT, GT1 block is pretty much bulletproof design.

997.2 Turbo? It will have PDK... So, here is your answer. I can not tell you more right now...

[artur777]

It is not possible to implement DFI in GT1 block. BUT, GT1 block is pretty much bulletproof design.

997.2 Turbo? It will have PDK... So, here is your answer. I can not tell you more right now...

I see that 997.2 Turbo will be DFI and PDK...
Why didn't Porsche prepared a new engine for GT3 with DFI?
It's an advanced version of Carrera engine if I got it right...

[AndyBG]

I see that 997.2 Turbo will be DFI and PDK...
Why didn't Porsche prepared a new engine for GT3 with DFI?
It's an advanced version of Carrera engine if I got it right...

No, it is not. Carrera use 3614ccm (3596ccm 997.1), while Carrera S use 3800ccm (3824 997.1). GT3 has 3600ccm block and it is, as Kreso said, GT1 racing, based block.

[Mihnea@MRC]

Taken from the Porsche website: "Aus einem Hubraum von jetzt 3.797cm³ schöpft er 320kW (435 PS)..."

So the new engine is a 3.8l.

[AndyBG]

Taken from the Porsche website: "Aus einem Hubraum von jetzt 3.797cm³ schöpft er 320kW (435 PS)..."

So the new engine is a 3.8l.

Sorry, I was refering to 997.1 GT3..., I didn't have in mind 997.2, but as you can see, it is different engine block to a 997.2 Carrera S.

[artur777]

now I see that...
nevertheless, it's a technological difference that should be avoided...
to see GT3 with PDK is also very nice
hope for the next generation to have it...

AndyBG - GT2 - does it have it's engine based on GT3 with turbos? or on Carrera's basis?

[AndyBG]

now I see that...
nevertheless, it's a technological difference that should be avoided...
to see GT3 with PDK is also very nice
hope for the next generation to have it...

AndyBG - GT2 - does it have it's engine based on GT3 with turbos? or on Carrera's basis?

GT2 has 3600ccm displacement, same as 997.1 GT3..., Its not based on the Carrera engine. Not sure if the GT3 and GT2 have exactly the same block. GT2 and turbo have same block.

[KresoF1]

Engines in 997 Turbo/GT2/GT3 belong in the same family-GT1 based block engines.
New 997.2 GT3 is member of the same Gt1 family, just for the first time it is using more ccm(3797).

New 997.2 Carrera and FL Boxster/Cayman engines are from new 9A1 family-all are with DFI, except base 2.9L engine in Boxster/Cayman.

[AndyBG]

Engines in 997 Turbo/GT2/GT3 belong in the same family-GT1 based block engines.
New 997.2 GT3 is member of the same Gt1 family, just for the first time it is using more ccm(3797).

New 997.2 Carrera and FL Boxster/Cayman engines are from new 9A1 family-all are with DFI, except base 2.9L engine in Boxster/Cayman.

Thanks for clarifying this... :D

[artur777]

Engines in 997 Turbo/GT2/GT3 belong in the same family-GT1 based block engines.
New 997.2 GT3 is member of the same Gt1 family, just for the first time it is using more ccm(3797).

New 997.2 Carrera and FL Boxster/Cayman engines are from new 9A1 family-all are with DFI, except base 2.9L engine in Boxster/Cayman.

GT1 block and PDK - could they be used together or not?
In GT3 - no
But in Turbo - yes
But GT3 and Turbo have same GT1 block
Where is the truth lie?

[KresoF1]

Your question is very good one.

Porsche/ZF developed PDK is little bit too big for GT1 block based engines.

So, here is your answer-997.2 Turbo will have PDK if it will use new 9A1 based DFI engine.

PDK and DFI are not possible with GT1 block. It is excellent engine, proven in many,. many races. Just, as hard as Porsche is updating it(new GT3 engine is EU5 norm!) end of its life is near I am affraid...

[Speedou]

This is GT3, and it isn't that much striped out...GT3 RS is, but R8 ''suffers'' B/C of ''quattro''...

R8=1635 Kg
997 ''non-facelift'' GT3=1470 kg

Maybe not, but feeling in the GT3 is so much harder than in any other "sport car" I have been in. Better comparing to Turbo (the others).

[KresoF1]

997.2 GT3 brochure in PDF thanks to ResB from rennteam...
http://www.zen89393.zen.co.uk/Archive/Images/gt3genII/997GT3%20GenII.pdf

[AndyBG]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I really love GT3... :revs:

[The Pretender]

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=jfMAJmjdznk

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

THX for the link! :thumb:

[Ruergard]

Great video, the sound from that flat six is something.. And the driving by Walter is always spot on. Thanks!

[artur777]

Your question is very good one.

Porsche/ZF developed PDK is little bit too big for GT1 block based engines.

So, here is your answer-997.2 Turbo will have PDK if it will use new 9A1 based DFI engine.

PDK and DFI are not possible with GT1 block. It is excellent engine, proven in many,. many races. Just, as hard as Porsche is updating it(new GT3 engine is EU5 norm!) end of its life is near I am affraid...

I see that...
So Porsche will use 9a1 instead of Gt1 engine blocks in turbo FL.
And coming Gt2 will use Gt3 3.8 engine while adding turbos...

What are the principal differences between 9a1 and updated gt3 ebgine families?
What is the main reason for Porsche to develop both?

[Z07]

The RSR is getting a 4.0 soon, so I wonder if this will filter through to street models in the near future.

[artur777]

The RSR is getting a 4.0 soon, so I wonder if this will filter through to street models in the near future.

Next 911 model name 991 will have 4.0l engine in GTS and higher versions as it is widely speculated.

[AndyBG]

Next 911 model name 991 will have 4.0l engine in GTS and higher versions as it is widely speculated.

Sure about this one...?

[Erik]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3466/3242518924_02fe49ba18_o.jpg

[ZeroCool]

photoshop or real?

[The Pretender]

photoshop or real?
Photoshop 100%.

Jarod.

[Z07]

There's some rumour of a GT2 RS.

[AndyBG]

There's some rumour of a GT2 RS.


I hope that is true... In that case, we will have the best ''super car'' ever! :D

http://www.germancarblog.com/2009/01/porsche-911-gt2-rs-race-version-in.html

[Ruergard]

I hope that is true... In that case, we will have the best ''super car'' ever! :D

http://www.germancarblog.com/2009/01/porsche-911-gt2-rs-race-version-in.html

Wouldn't surprise me at all. And I wouldn't mind it comming along...

What a machine! :dig:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090202.017/rumors-porsche-gt2-rs-in-the-works

Reports of weight going down by 200kg....

[andreadebi]

I don't think gt2 rs will be 200kg lighter...

[Erik]

I don't think gt2 rs will be 200kg lighter...

Never!

What on the current GT2 weighs 200 kg that they can get rid of? :rolleyes:

[AndyBG]

Full carbon body panels... :D

[Cale24]

I'm not entirely sold on the looks (prefer the old 997.1 & 996.1 rear wings) but all in all it looks pretty damn mean. Engineering takes another leap forward too - 3.8l and 6 cylinders yet it still makes the same power and torque as 4.2 V8 R8 (not exactly a shabby old motor now is it!), quite amazing, even if the torque curve isn't as flat. :idea:

[AndyBG]

Very nice observation... :)

[QuattroFun]

Very impressive - this is surely the 911 to have. I have to say that - familiar looks and "only 6 pots" apart - this is very serious challenge to the R8 V10.

[Z07]

Porsche test driver dies:


*admin removed pics*

[KresoF1]

[QUOTE=Z07;153258]Porsche test driver dies:

*admin removed pics*

Repost. http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17079&page=2

And 991 prototyp does not have anything with 997.2 GT3, you posted in wrong thread.

[Z07]

Sorry. They all look the same to me.

[artur777]

Repost. http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17079&page=2

And 991 prototyp does not have anything with 997.2 GT3, you posted in wrong thread.

KresoF1, you are a senseless person.
A man died, and you write here about wrong thread and other BS...
Pls keep it down...

[KresoF1]

BS!? How old are you? Let me guess-not older then 25? I am 37 and in my work I saw more tragic things then you in your intire lifetime. I was member of Croatian military in war here about 15 years ago.... So, please keep your comments in the future away from me. Sensless person... Few days ago I finished a law case that I did probono for a client who is unfortunately without any income for some time... Cost were close to 10K € from my own pocket... Yes, I am sensless...

My comment was based on the fact that members here do not like Porsche at all. It doesn't have anything to do with tragic loss of life(driver of the test mule).

[KresoF1]

Sorry. They all look the same to me.

No problem at all. I just did not want two similar threads. :cheers:

[artur777]

BS!? How old are you? Let me guess-not older then 25? I am 37 and in my work I saw more tragic things then you in your intire lifetime. I was member of Croatian military in war here about 15 years ago.... So, please keep your comments in the future away from me. Sensless person... Few days ago I finished a law case that I did probono for a client who is unfortunately without any income for some time... Cost were close to 10K € from my own pocket... Yes, I am sensless...

My comment was based on the fact that members here do not like Porsche at all. It doesn't have anything to do with tragic loss of life(driver of the test mule).

KresoF1,

I see your point and I respect it.
Sorry for my question - now I see what you meant.
I am much older than 25 - BTW

[Erik]

OK, please don't post pictures of car crashes with people dead.

Not everyone likes it, a link is enough, then people can chose themselves if they would like to watch or not.

Back ON topic.

[AndyBG]

And first public presentation of the master piece...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090303.043/porsche-911-gt3-gets-first-public-showing-at-geneva-motor-show

[Erik]

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/austinpowers/GT321jpeg.jpg
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/austinpowers/GT324.jpg
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/austinpowers/GT326.jpg
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/austinpowers/GT328.jpg
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/austinpowers/GT32.jpg

[KresoF1]

http://www.asphalte.ch/Events/GVA09/Porsche/JAD04938.jpg
http://www.asphalte.ch/Events/GVA09/Porsche/JAD04937.jpg