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Ruergard

January 17th, 2009, 16:09

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1st place: RS6
0-100 km/h: 4,1 s
0-200 km/h: 13,2 s
GPS-Vmax.: 279 km/h (limited)

Pirelli P Zero
Titangrey-wheels
Ceramic brakes
280 km/h Vmax.
RS-seats

2nd place: M5
0-100 km/h: 4,7 s
0-200 km/h: 13,8 s
GPS-Vmax.: 260 km/h (limited)

3rd place: E63 AMG
0-100 km/h: 4,4 s
0-200 km/h: 14,2 s
GPS-Vmax.: 250 km/h (limited)

4th place: B5 S
0-100 km/h: 4,7 s
0-200 km/h: 13,5 s
GPS-Vmax.: 322 km/h

Sachsenring:
1. RS6 1:42,94
2. M5 1:43,77
3. E63 AMG 1:44,30
4. B5 S 1:45,94

Well, it did what it's supposed to do.... :king:

audi_ch

January 17th, 2009, 17:46

Wow,

alpina b5s clearly the fastest 100-200 kmh with 8.8 sec , then rs6 and m5 the same time 9,1 and then the old merc,

Wonder how the new merc will performe in the future

waldo

January 17th, 2009, 23:34

thanks for the scan!

does anyone know when Topgear, Car, Evo and lets say Autocar are coming out with their comparo's?

my new RS6 has arrived all the way down the planet in Sydney, Australia and yet no English write ups as yet - rather strange

I suppose given the hardware of the competition are so long in the tooth now - M5 and E63 - outcome would be largely academic - at least that outcome appears to be the case in the Autobild article by the data I read

best,

W

AndyBG

January 18th, 2009, 00:34

So nice to see this...! :king:

The RS6

January 18th, 2009, 08:28

4.1 hahah gotta love those figures Audi gives us! (4.5 for the RS6)

Makes me wonder what the R8 V10 will do (Audi says 3.9)

Tony Lam

January 18th, 2009, 10:08

should be as fast as the GTR!!:dig:

Erik

January 18th, 2009, 12:14

Great test and nice win!

I'm impressed by the Alpina, faster than the M5 in acceleration!

KK265

January 18th, 2009, 13:49

Great test and nice win!

I'm impressed by the Alpina, faster than the M5 in acceleration!
That is the new fashion.More torque in all rpms...Alpina has 70 kgm...

aussie rs6

January 18th, 2009, 17:13

We have had the horsepower wars between the various car makers with hi performance vehicles.

now the torque wars begin and why next M5 will be twin turbo V8 is the story.

C6 RS6 sedan performance is truly noteworthy and raises the bar again

john
:rs6kiss: :rs6kiss: :rs6kiss:

ps of course the ultimate winner in the torque wars is the electric car!!
look at the Tesla sports. However exhaust note not much to shout about.

Toto89

January 19th, 2009, 12:42

Really great to hear that RS6 is the king of the kings again!:thumb:

vangelis

January 19th, 2009, 14:31

Great test and nice win!

I'm impressed by the Alpina, faster than the M5 in acceleration!

Yeah,,very strange!!!! althought it does not have double clutch gearbox the M5 has!!

Erik

January 19th, 2009, 14:37

The M5 has no double clutch. It has the SMGIII which is one clutch only, albeit automatic and very fast.

RXBG

January 19th, 2009, 14:39

vangelis

January 19th, 2009, 14:44

audi_ch

January 19th, 2009, 14:53

i bet the RS6 plus will make over 600 hp to meet the challenge of the new M5.

and- re: the 0-60 times. i bet car mags will be posting times in the 3.5 second range for the V10 R8. and it'll probably toast the GTR in the triple digits....

remember the pretty poor times for the r8 v8.

officialy 14,9 sec to 200kmh. All german test wear 15,5 till 17,0 secs

i am not sure if audi is that good in high reaving engines, Turbo is an other storry, see rs6

rs6 plus is not confirmed yet, and probably no need, as tuners easily make your rs6 to rs6 ++

Leadfoot

January 19th, 2009, 16:00

remember the pretty poor times for the r8 v8.

officialy 14,9 sec to 200kmh. All german test wear 15,5 till 17,0 secs

i am not sure if audi is that good in high reaving engines, Turbo is an other storry, see rs6

rs6 plus is not confirmed yet, and probably no need, as tuners easily make your rs6 to rs6 ++

The last time I looked the R8v10 was to use the very same engine from the LP560 which isn't too shabby in acceleration.

I also doubt the next M5 will make that much more power than it currently does, only the torque, economy and emissions will improve. Yes it will be a little quicker than it currently is but it won't destroy the RS6, just beat it ever so slightly in much the same way as the RS6 has done to the current M5 and how the RS5 will be to the M3.

After all there is no need to move the goal posts too far. ;)

audi_ch

January 19th, 2009, 16:03

of course,

for that reason lucky we have competition...

Klint

January 19th, 2009, 18:29

RXBG

January 19th, 2009, 18:40

There was also the rather optomistic power claims that caused a stur when owners started to dyno them and got substantially less power than claimed.

Not 100% on this but read somewhere that Audi was taken to court by some disruntled owners.

well,

haven't seen any issues with the LP560 underperforming. mag tests and results vouch for that. the engine and set up are practically exactly the same in the R8, only with magnetic ride and a better platform. i don't think ther'll be any under performing issues with the V10 in the R8.

Klint

January 19th, 2009, 22:07

well,

haven't seen any issues with the LP560 underperforming. mag tests and results vouch for that. the engine and set up are practically exactly the same in the R8, only with magnetic ride and a better platform. i don't think ther'll be any under performing issues with the V10 in the R8.
My post was in reference to the V8 R8. Unless it was my imagination.

RXBG

January 20th, 2009, 00:44

klint- what do you drive these days?

Klint

January 21st, 2009, 14:42

Rodrigo,

Apologies, my previous post came across negatively.

Refering to my imagination...i must've imagined reading somewhere about the R8 not meeting or being near the claimed power figures, if that makes sense? Could you clarify this?

How's your R8 anyhow?

Drive a variety of cars, from an E36 325 (Currently being prepped for trackdays) to a MK4 R32, E39 M5, 996 Turbo S and a choice of some other cars, Nissan Navara, VW Passat, LR Freelander 3 etc list goes on.... depends what suits the mood. To be honest the fleet has got out off control! Was looking into chopping the Passat in for a RS6 Avant recently.

ZCD2.7T

January 21st, 2009, 19:02

...of mine (fellow car geek - owns an '03 540i M-sport 6 speed):

"ALPINA: Noble wood underscores the character of the cabin. Paddle shift buttons behind the steering wheel; Thanks to a blend of turbo and supercharger, the Alpina knows no lag and has incredible thrust out the chute; Understated exterior, it is the thin pinstripes and Alpina lettering on the front and back that set it apart; Standard equipment are the most comfortable seats that are great on long hauls; Touchy handling requires you to drive with feeling if you want to go fast; Sleek 20" rims are classic Alpina; Not one to exaggerate, the Alpina can run to 322 km/h!

Audi: Notchback version now available for 2,250 Euros less; RS6 cockpit is the sportiest of the bunch; Double whammy with twin turbos the RS6 achieves the best performance numbers; The weblike plastic grill is also found on Lamborghini; Unity - the RS6 is the only test subject without offset wheels; Perfect electrically adjustable RS bucket seats adjust for width of back and hips and are available for 2,800 Euros. They provide the best lateral support; Longevity - for 8,200 Euros you can get a ceramic brake setup.

M5: Rev-monger. The V10 naturally aspirated engine only gets lively at higher revs, but then the sound gets sporty metallic; Cleaned up: the cockpit of the M5 is really streamlined. The sport button is programmable and on the right side of the steering wheel; Track-capable: on the loop, the M5 is extremely fun at very high speeds; Direct dial: the newest i-drive has buttons next to the knob; Standard 19" offset tires on radial spoked rims; roped in: the M5 is electronically limited to 260 km/h; Luxurious: the sporty comfort seats are available with active functions.

E63: Overpowered: if you don't want to be travelling sideways you need to be careful with the gas pedal; Well appointed: sport steering wheel, full instrumentation and sport pedals are all standard; Paddle shifters allow for manual shifting of the 7-speed transmission; Massive: the 5-spoke AMG wheels are standard; Dynamic: the seats offer a compromise between sporty and comfortable. Multi contour adjustments for hip and back offer more hold; Modest: you recognize the e-63 by the double exhaust, skirt and spoiler; Regulated: the urgent forward motion of the E63 is cut off at precisely 250 km/h. Too bad, but reasonable.

FOUR CARS: Despite not having a locking differential (optional for 2,995 euros) the Alpina can be nicely drifted; The all-wheel drive RS6 can only be forced into a drift, despite being tail-heavy; Driving sideways is most fun in the M5, thanks to the differential lock; The Mercedes will also quickly go sideways, and is not squirrely at the outer limits. Its strength is the long haul.

OVERALL ARTICLE: The Alpina is great as an urgent traveler that loves occasional side trips to a closed circuit track. The youngest and one with the most HP is the sedan version of the RS6, blessed with a twin turbo and power distribution that slightly favors the rear. It has fantastic bucket seats. The M5 is the weakest in HP on paper, but the high-revving engine and locking differential make it feel just fine in this company. The optional active seats are a great compromise for travel comfort and performance when you blast the corners. Last but not least the giant displacement E63 has nice seats for holding in the corners. It offers adaptive suspension without an up-charge. The price differential should not play a role in this category --- nor should the fuel economy. The Audi is the most powerful, but also the heaviest. But it dominates all acceleration tests and comes in first in all the performance tests. The performance gap is minimal, though and really the difference in the cars is how the power is delivered. The Alpina is ready to storm from the lowest rpm and stays strong through the band. The M5 is only ready to get down to business at higher RPM, but then it goes with authority and great sound. The E63 will also go at any RPM, but all the power being delivered to the rear wheels means you have to be careful. This is where the RS6 driver can relax because it will also explode at any rpm without any traction issues. The E63 is most comfortable on the Autobahn, as demonstrated on the track, where the indirect feel of the steering and the flex of the chassis and the least responsive transmission all make it the lowest handler of the bunch. The Alpina is the squirrely one of the bunch. As long as you don't push it you are fine, but as soon as you do all harmony is lost, and the nervous steering requires a lot of correction. By contrast, the M5 sets a worthy example of how to handle a track. The chassis is taught, the transition from extremes is very manageable, and steering is very responsive. This car is great on long hauls as well as the track. Last, the heavyweight RS6 is most impressive in the ease in which it pulls away from the competition, and how playfully easy the weight transfer is handled without oversteering. It handles every steering command willingly and with precision which sets the bar for fast and uncomplicated handling.The RS6 is the most effective at translating the massive power to the road and is the fastest on the track. A small consolation that it is also the highest in price."

What a shame that Audi won't bring this segment-conquering beast to the US!

Ruergard

January 22nd, 2009, 13:16

Great translation, thanks!

Damienr8

January 22nd, 2009, 13:27

i bet the RS6 plus will make over 600 hp to meet the challenge of the new M5.

and- re: the 0-60 times. i bet car mags will be posting times in the 3.5 second range for the V10 R8. and it'll probably toast the GTR in the triple digits....

Yep, given the conservative Audi estimate of 3.9, i can easily see that as 3.5. I mean take the R8 V8, a couple of publications had it at a flat 4 seconds (0-60). Now thats just the 0-60......

As per this comparison, the RS6 has beastly numbers. I cant wait to hear that monster V10 in real life. RXBG, is it confirmed that there is going to be a PLUS version of the RS6? I don't recall seeing that anywhere.