R8 V10 power:technical cheat

[andreadebi]

The V10 is exactly the same for LP560 and R8, changing only the management of butterflies, which the V10 Audi open at 94%, thus preventing deliver all 560 horses.

The butterflies on r8 v10, electronically managed, even with full accelerator pressed not open to 100% but at a lower rate, thus preventing the engine to deliver all the power. Just restore the full opening of butterflies that you obtain the free power of the V10 from R8.

[JavierNuvolari]

Hahaha, good one.

[KresoF1]

The V10 is exactly the same for LP560 and R8, changing only the management of butterflies, which the V10 Audi open at 94%, thus preventing deliver all 560 horses.

The butterflies on r8 v10, electronically managed, even with full accelerator pressed not open to 100% but at a lower rate, thus preventing the engine to deliver all the power. Just restore the full opening of butterflies that you obtain the free power of the V10 from R8.

This info is from....?

I ask since there is a difference on exhaust system of R8 V10 and LP560-4. In my undestanding from some German written memo exhaust is different. Also there is some difference in ECU mapping also.
YES, both engines are mechanically the same but, there are some differences.

Just this for your info-R8 V10 sounds different(exhaust wise) then LP560-4...

[artur777]

Nice one info
If this true, every owner of R8 V10 will do ECU tuning for 1-2 K euros to reveal the engine full potential.

[RXBG]

that is interesting information. all in all, the engine differences will be designed to make the R8 engine less peaky and more of a cruiser, perhaps. as such maybe a bit more torque spread at the cost of less overall hp. something minimal. regardless, the R8 will be the superior car in every respect except name cachet. in fact, i think that the R8 will be faster around the ring notwithstanding the engine differences. for the 70K difference in cost you'll be able to buy an RS5 to put in your garage.

[andreadebi]

This info is from....?

I ask since there is a difference on exhaust system of R8 V10 and LP560-4. In my undestanding from some German written memo exhaust is different. Also there is some difference in ECU mapping also.
YES, both engines are mechanically the same but, there are some differences.

Just this for your info-R8 V10 sounds different(exhaust wise) then LP560-4...

The info comes from a certain source that works in automotive in italy

[Z07]

Are the cams the same?

[Damienr8]

that is interesting information. all in all, the engine differences will be designed to make the R8 engine less peaky and more of a cruiser, perhaps. as such maybe a bit more torque spread at the cost of less overall hp. something minimal. regardless, the R8 will be the superior car in every respect except name cachet. in fact, i think that the R8 will be faster around the ring notwithstanding the engine differences. for the 70K difference in cost you'll be able to buy an RS5 to put in your garage.

Very True, or an A6!

[Leadfoot]

that is interesting information. all in all, the engine differences will be designed to make the R8 engine less peaky and more of a cruiser, perhaps. as such maybe a bit more torque spread at the cost of less overall hp. something minimal. regardless, the R8 will be the superior car in every respect except name cachet. in fact, i think that the R8 will be faster around the ring notwithstanding the engine differences. for the 70K difference in cost you'll be able to buy an RS5 to put in your garage.

But with the RS5 in the garage would you really need the R8v10?

With the money you would save on not buying the R8v10 you could buy a TT/RS to put into your garage. But then would you need the RS5?

See were this trend is going. ;)

[RXBG]

But with the RS5 in the garage would you really need the R8v10?

With the money you would save on not buying the R8v10 you could buy a TT/RS to put into your garage. But then would you need the RS5?

See were this trend is going. ;)

no matter how good the RS5 is it won't be able to touch the R8 V10 in any way, shape, or form, upside down, inside out, drunk, sober, or high.

[Leadfoot]

no matter how good the RS5 is it won't be able to touch the R8 V10 in any way, shape, or form, upside down, inside out, drunk, sober, or high.

I know, but that wasn't my point. The point I was making was with every purchase you can make a rational reason for picking something cheaper which will be almost as good a job. The kind of guy who picks the Lamborghini over the R8 does so because he can, plain and simple.

P.S.
I would still probably end up picking the TT. What can I say I like a bargain. :D

[RXBG]

got your point.

i could see a V12 Q7 for the wifey, a TT-R, and an S4 daily driver. ;)

[R8.V10]

he´s right. both cars are generally very similar. the engineers of the R8 did some of the work for the Lamborghini at the same time. The engine of the R8 V10 is nearly the same as the one in the LP560-4

[RXBG]

when T F?????????????????????? are we going to see this animal?

those italians must be drinking grappa like crazy in order to blunt the shock when this car comes out.

[Damienr8]

RXBG, maybe at the LA show....i have no idea now lol. I can't wait for it for sure, just look at those numbers that the LP560 is putting down....serious business.

[hdtomi]

http://www.a5.hu/kepgaleria/2611/2611_P1030258_n2.jpg

From Audi Factory Hungary, Gyor

http://totalcar.hu/magazin/kozelet/lambomotor/

[OfftheHeZie]

Eh, last I heard the 5.2L V10 going into R8 is the same as what is in the S6, S8, and the RS6 without the turbos - which is not the same as the 5.2L V10 in the Gallardo. Am I late?

~Mason

[KresoF1]

Eh, last I heard the 5.2L V10 going into R8 is the same as what is in the S6, S8, and the RS6 without the turbos - which is not the same as the 5.2L V10 in the Gallardo. Am I late?

~Mason


5.2L V10 FSI that is in S6/S8 is not high reving version and is using wet sump.

5.0L V10 TFSI is RS6 is twin turbo updated engine with dry sump.

5.2L V10 FSI in R8/LP560-4 is high reving version with dry sump.

Even basic parts on these engines are not the same. Different materials and specs all the way...

[hdtomi]

http://www.a5.hu/kepgaleria/2611/2611_P1030258_n2.jpg
http://www.a5.hu/kepgaleria/2611/2611_P1030259_n2.jpg
http://www.a5.hu/kepgaleria/2611/2611_P1030265_n2.jpg

Pictures!!!

[hdtomi]

5.2L V10 FSI that is in S6/S8 is not high reving version and is using wet sump.

5.0L V10 TFSI is RS6 is twin turbo updated engine with dry sump.

5.2L V10 FSI in R8/LP560-4 is high reving version with dry sump.

Even basic parts on these engines are not the same. Different materials and specs all the way...

!!!
Read the white cards underneath the pictures.
from Audi Hungary engine factory
!!!

[KresoF1]

!!!
Read the white cards underneath the pictures.
from Audi Hungary engine factory
!!!

Nice pics. Just, what I wrote is correct. White cards tell you only about engine name and were it is used.

[OfftheHeZie]

That's good news if it's correct. Everything I've read claims the S6, S8, and RS6 engines are practically the same minus the turbos. I haven't seen anything definitive for the R8 V10 though.

~Mason

[Mockenrue]

The sign under the engine in the last picture says 'RS5' as well as 'RS6'. Are we to assume therefore that the 5.0l V10 Biturbo FSI has been officially confirmed for the RS5?

[tvrfan]

you must be dreaming. thats a "6" not a "5" :rotflmao:

:jlol:

[Leadfoot]

Actually that does look like it says RS5. Man now that would be a turn up for the books if the RS5 got the 5.0v10 Bi-turbo, just imagine what those guys at M5Board would do.

Probably ban anyone bring it to the events. :lovl:

[tvrfan]

Actually that does look like it says RS5. Man now that would be a turn up for the books if the RS5 got the 5.0v10 Bi-turbo, just imagine what those guys at M5Board would do.

Probably ban anyone bring it to the events. :lovl:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

the m3 owners would still say "" no chance for the RS5, it has the quattro powertrain loss, äähmmm and it has much more weight. :brag: """ and it has no BMW badge :brag: so its gonna loose whatever it has under the hood

:lovl:

[RXBG]

the signs say the same thing- in hungarian on top and german on ze bottom.

by all accounts- the RS4/5 will have a V8 of some sort. likely turbocharged.

i for one believe the difference between the LP-560 engine and the V10 in the R8 will be the same as that between the S6 and S8..... negligible. 99% the same in power output.

[itisme]

here, i made it bigger with paint, that's what come clearly obivious. I personally think, that this is a 5.... so the RS5 is going to get a V10... stunning!!!


http://rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7220&stc=1&d=1226264508

[ZeroCool]

no it's not a 5!

Check the "O" of Biturbo in the first row and then in the second...
The First one is hungarian the second in German...

If this Engine would be used in 2 cars as you say, there would stay in every Row...Audi RS5, RS6 as you can see at the picture with the 5.2 Liter V10 from the S6 and S8

[HKS786]

^^^ I would agree with ZeroCool but I've looked at that pic zoomed-out and zoomed-in and it is most DEFINATELY a "5".

I cant believe this. Is the RS5 going to receive the V10? Can anyone give more details?

[youry]

stop dreaming guys, we will not see this. it just that a 6 and a 5 looks similar but its a 6......

[OfftheHeZie]

Maybe these pics have been photo-shopped very well? :vhmmm:

~Mason

[The RS6]

Zoomed, B&W, sharpened, rotated...I'd say it's a 5...look how the top of the number is straight...

[HKS786]

Looking at it now, I think it's def a "6". It is very very nearly a "5" but I think the point ZeroCool made is valid about the hungarian and german translations.

[roadrunner]

C'mon - are we trying to create an "urban legend"?

Yes, the bottom number might be mistaken for an 5, BUT every aspect shouts it is a 6 on the plate:

1. SAME information on the plates in hungarian & german
2. everything we have heard about the future RS5 engine
3. Audi going downzising route (NOT upsizing: 3.0 TFSI in)
4. you really think a V10 Bi-Turbo fits into the B8 plattform without any problems?
5. not mentioning weight of the V10 engine

[Mockenrue]

I agree with you on all those points; in fact they pretty much sum up my thoughts when I first saw the photo. But I still reckon that's a 5 and not a 6.

[The RS6]

Maybe they did it on purpose (throw in a "5", "accidentaly") just so they'd start all these rumours and make us think...

[Rage]

Maybe they did it on purpose (throw in a "5", "accidentaly") just so they'd start all these rumours and make us think...

somebody with the right connections please throw us a bone. I'm dying here;)

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

no V10 Bi-Turbo for the RS5.

Qisha

[Erik]

No,

The RS5 will have V8 TT and DSG ;)

[artur777]

Thanks!

V8 TT will be wonderful!
It will be fullof low-end grunt then...
I want this car...
When will we see any specs, Erik?

How much HP do you expect?

[Damienr8]

I just cant see the RS5 having a biturbo V10, it just doesnt make sense to me. For the R8, it is obvious were getting the same V10 as in the LP560 (albiet tuned differently). However for the RS5, i can only imagine a 4.2/4.4L V8 or mabe a a 4L SC V8.

[Rage]

Dear Friends,

no V10 Bi-Turbo for the RS5.

Qisha

So what will it be?

[RXBG]

is it easier to cool a SC engine than turbo engine? what if they put a little SC in the RS4 motor? could they make about 475 hp and a good 400 of torque and also make it the new base R8 engine? that just *might* leave room for the V10 R8.

[Mr Balsen]

It is easier to cool an SC engine because it is plugged to the normal radiator. You don't need the intercoolers like on a turbo engine. so less space required...

As for the SC on the RS4 engine, trust me it is not that easy...

Frederic

[RXBG]

motivemag interviewed some high up people in Audi re: the SC vs TT tech for the engine applications. turns out that the TT method is still the forced induction of choice for anything larger than a V6 that makes more than 350 hp.

http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/first_steer/Motive_First_Steer_2010_Audi_S4.shtml

hence, i still feel sure that the RS4/5 engine will be a very torquey and yet fuel efficient engine. the only question i have is how will they cool it in the R8 engine bay? perhaps they will put the turbos on top of the engine so they can dissipate heat more easily and perhaps also put in some venturi vents. i also just had an idea. with this engine the mods will be tempting (and easy in the RS4/5 app), but in the R8 it will be a problem to cool it if the boost is increased with a chip. the owner will run into problems there. i could only imagine a stage 1 mod pushing over 500 hp and making 450 of torque!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :MTM:

who would need a V10? :king: