So is it Obama this time?

[Erik]

Let's make an exception and discuss politics for a while.

It's bed time here (Sweden) and everyone says Obama has won, a miracle is needed for anything else.

Let's discuss and see what evloves.

[gooseleg]

He has my vote

[artur777]

Obama is going to win IMHO
He will bring the change anyway... hard to say what exactly will it be

Erik, the situation is bad not only in Sweden, we have to wait for 6-12 months for it to start recovering...

[Erik]

Looks like he won, and has written some history. Congratulations!

[The RS6]

Congratulations!

[chewym]

Let's see what he can do. The US government is now almost fully under Democratic control.

[AndyBG]

Congratulations to Obama...!

What esential differences can he make...?

This is something different, I agree, but I'm affraid that when he gets ''head to head'' with real US problems he will have same solutions as any other US president.

[ZCD2.7T]

I think that Obama's election is a watershed moment in American history.

Naturally, the change he can effect will be constrained by our system of government (which is by design), but I believe that he has the intelligence and skills to move the US towards a new, better future - one that recognizes that we are a country of the world, and that we cannot (should not) act without considering how our actions will affect the rest of the world.

From a US politics point of view, I'm happier this morning than I have ever been.

[Erik]

Here's the woman that made him win?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXmuhWrlj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw

[RXBG]

obama most certainbly did NOT have my vote. but he was the pop culture candidate for the ipod crowd. now that he is elected he has to choose who to let down- the slightly-over-half of the country that voted for him or the far left socialist-democrats that poured money into his campaign fun and ran his campaign.

you people in europe had better take note and pay attention. i awoke at 3 am last night and couldn't get back to sleep. i have concluded that this election represents the beginning of the end of the golden age of the USA. i am not unduly unworried. this election will affect EE.UU in ways it can't even imagine. and if you live in a little country like Georgia or Nicaragua you'd better pack your things.

the founding geniuses of this country imbued it with the principle of balance and slow change. now that the senate, house, and executive position are run by the same party.... well "res ipsa loquitur". nonetheless, the country has chosen its own fate by its own hand. enough said.

[rs-6]

I've heard Tom Palmer from the Libertarian Cato-Institute recently and he was confident that Obama has the right people around him that will let him keep the government small.
Also if we look at the Bush administration we can say that it was the most Socialist government in the history of America, which was clearly inspired by Keynes, look at the credit crisis and the war in Irak. And in my opinion, it is still better to use a part of the budget which was used for the war on education and a basic social security for the poorest than on the war itself.

Benman, what's your opinion, as a libertarian?

[RXBG]

I've heard Tom Palmer from the Libertarian Cato-Institute recently and he was confident that Obama has the right people around him that will let him keep the government small.
Also if we look at the Bush administration we can say that it was the most Socialist government in the history of America, which was clearly inspired by Keynes, look at the credit crisis and the war in Irak. And in my opinion, it is still better to use a part of the budget which was used for the war on education and a basic social security for the poorest than on the war itself.

Benman, what's your opinion, as a libertarian?

what are you smoking guy?

ps- the russians (and everyone else) were waiting for today. this is how it starts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_medvedev

LOL

[rs-6]

what are you smoking guy?



It's my opinion that the US-government is completely responsible for the current crisis, because they’ve ‘created money out of thin air’ trough the Fed to virtually stimulate the economy, that’s how the Asset inflation started, also the Bush-administration forced the banks (trough FNM etc.) to give loans to people who could NEVER pay back their loans, this wouldn’t have happened in a non-interventionist/Capitalist country and there would have never been such low-quality Collateralized Debt Obligations.

The War is also a Socialist idea, the government has ‘stimulated’ the economy in America with tax money by going to war.

Am I wrong RXBG?

[Erik]

ps- the russians (and everyone else) were waiting for today. this is how it starts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_medvedev

LOL

You don't suppose that would have been declared regardless of who won? ;)

[AndyBG]

ps- the russians (and everyone else) were waiting for today. this is how it starts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_medvedev

LOL

...And where do you see problem here...?

US has been deploying its ''fire power'' all over the world for last 17 years... I presume that was nesecery and ''OK"...?

[RXBG]

erik- no. i do not suppose in any way shape or form that it would have happened if mccain had been elected.

andy- now you're going in a completely different direction. has nothing to do with the point i am trying to make. and if you do not "see the problem" then you worry me.

[Leadfoot]

I can't really comments on whether Obama's policies are right for Americans or whether McCain's would have been better. I think you need to be an American to answer that question than someone looking in.

As an outsider I actually think Obama is the right man for the job. His approach to foreign policy is striking a cord with more people, this previous policy by last Presidents of going into foreign situations with 'all guns blazing' and continuously waving the big stick as the World's police has led to the security problems they have at home and aboard. Maybe a 'stand-off' President is needed at the moment.

There is little doubt that the fact he is of mixed race has made him appeal to a larger majority than if he was either white or black, both feeling his is fighting from their side, plus the man is very charismatic and comes across a lot more sincere than McCain did.

The biggest problem I see Obama facing in the near future is to stop the minority who for one reason or another feel they have been oppressed and will try and use his presidency to settle old scores.

[RXBG]

It's my opinion that the US-government is completely responsible for the current crisis, because they’ve ‘created money out of thin air’ trough the Fed to virtually stimulate the economy, that’s how the Asset inflation started, also the Bush-administration forced the banks (trough FNM etc.) to give loans to people who could NEVER pay back their loans, this wouldn’t have happened in a non-interventionist/Capitalist country and there would have never been such low-quality Collateralized Debt Obligations.

The War is also a Socialist idea, the government has ‘stimulated’ the economy in America with tax money by going to war.

Am I wrong RXBG?

the "virtual" stimulation started with clinton in his last term. bush then added to it to avert financial disaster after 9/11 by lowering int rates. there was no other choice. the sin came with the bastards that were overseeing the freddie and fannies. capitalism does have its limitations. so does every other type of economy.

"the war is a socialist idea"

like Rousseau once said - you are confusing the cause with the effect.

so yes. you are wrong.

[KK265]

Let's make an exception and discuss politics for a while.

It's bed time here (Sweden) and everyone says Obama has won, a miracle is needed for anything else.

Let's discuss and see what evloves.

I am expecting Obama to sign the Kyoto agreement, Palaistinians to have their own country,to give back to Serbians Kosovo,to recognize Slavians of FYROM as Vardaska,to give to 20 million "terrorists'' Kurdish people their own country -Kourdistan ,to close Guantanamo, to stop talking to dictators like Kantafi, to pull the troops of Iraq and Afgagistan etc...
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Lets wake up!Nothing is going to change.
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[Leadfoot]

Bring up 911 opens a can of worms where everyone with an opinion speaks up. I know Benman and myself have had discussions privately on this subject.

[Erik]

Yes, I think we will close the political discussion here on RS6.com until the next election.

In 2012 we will know...

Thread closed. Have a good day :)