S3 gets 7-speed S-tronic!

[AndyBG]

This sounds nice...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/09/7-speed-s-tronic-shifts-into-audi-s3.html

[chewym]

The same gearbox as the one on the S4? Because the 7 speed DSG on the Golf/some A3s isn't supposed to handle this much torque.

[KresoF1]

This sounds nice...

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2008/09/7-speed-s-tronic-shifts-into-audi-s3.html

It is 6speed S Tronic. The same one as in TTS... 7speed S Tronic with dry clutches can not handle more then 260Nm. 6speed S Tronic with wet clutches can handle in latest specs version up to 380Nm...

[Leadfoot]

It is 6speed S Tronic. The same one as in TTS... 7speed S Tronic with dry clutches can not handle more then 260Nm. 6speed S Tronic with wet clutches can handle in latest specs version up to 380Nm...

Originally I thought the same but it looks like both of us are behind the times.

http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/about_audi_ag/news/audi_s3_boxes_clever_with_new_s_tronic_transmissio n_option.html



Sep 29, 2008
Acclaimed double-clutch transmission’s rapid fire changes perfectly complement fast-paced 265PS sports hatch.
• S tronic seven-speed twin-clutch transmission available to order at an extra cost of £1,450 from October 1st for S3 and S3 Sportback models
• S3 three-door including optional S tronic £28,920 OTR, S3 Sportback including optional S tronic £29,420 OTR
• 265PS @ 6,000rpm, 350Nm from 2,500 – 5,000rpm, 0-62mph in 5.5 seconds (three-door), top speed limited to 155mph, combined mpg 33.2, CO2 198g/km
• Audi magnetic ride adaptive damping available at extra cost
• New faster-reacting quattro four-wheel-drive system

The Audi S3 is now not only available with five doors, but also with seven speeds courtesy of the much lauded S tronic twin-clutch transmission, which not only quickens shifts compared with the continuing manual version, but also slows down fuel consumption. Available to order from October 1st at an extra cost of £1,450, the super slick transmission takes OTR prices for the first ever ‘two pedal’ S3 models to £28,920 for the three-door and £29,420 for the five-door Sportback. UK deliveries are expected to start in mid-December.

Equipped with S tronic, the three-door S3 can touch 62mph from rest in 5.5 seconds, 0.2 seconds quicker than the manual version with which it shares its governed top speed of 155mph. Equally impressively, S tronic actually boosts the S3’s combined fuel economy figure from 33.2mpg to 34mpg – a feat which the majority of conventional torque converter automatic transmissions couldn’t match. As a result, CO2 output in the S3 S tronic falls from 198g/km to 193g/km.

Advanced electro-hydraulic controls and the alternate use of two clutches enable the S tronic gearbox to deliver lightning fast automatic or manual shifts with virtually no interruption of the engine’s power delivery across its seven ratios, and to offer changes via steering wheel-mounted shift paddles for the first time in the S3’s nine-year history. The first of the two clutches serves the odd-numbered gears and reverse, and the second the even-numbered gears, so when the S3 is being driven in third gear, for instance, fourth is already pre-selected in anticipation. As soon as the shift command is given, the first clutch is disengaged and the second engaged in just a few hundredths of a second, virtually seamlessly.

Upgraded quattro four-wheel-drive
Also faster reacting in this latest S3 model is the renowned quattro four-wheel-drive system. Its central hydraulic multi-plate clutch now responds even faster when the engine's 265PS and 350Nm need to be redistributed between the front and rear wheels to maximize stability and traction.

Standard equipment for the S3 includes 18-inch parallel 5-spoke ‘S’ design alloy wheels, ‘S’ body styling and interior detailing and ‘S’ sports suspension. Heated and Silk Nappa leather-upholstered sports seats and Xenon Plus head lamps with LED strip daytime running lights are also part of the package.





This is what is written in the link to the Audi UK website.

[PeterJohn]

It is 6speed S Tronic. The same one as in TTS... 7speed S Tronic with dry clutches can not handle more then 260Nm. 6speed S Tronic with wet clutches can handle in latest specs version up to 380Nm...

Simple matter of switching a few parts.

HGP was testing the original DSG gearbox for VW with their VR6 BiTurbo engines. Officially it could only manage 300Nm, but with a little tweeking it could handle much more. Gearboxes are always underrated to leave a buffer for careless operators and long lifespan.

[Leadfoot]

Simple matter of switching a few parts.

HGP was testing the original DSG gearbox for VW with their VR6 BiTurbo engines. Officially it could only manage 300Nm, but with a little tweeking it could handle much more. Gearboxes are always underrated to leave a buffer for careless operators and long lifespan.

Not exactly sure where you are going with this PJ?

I believe the HGP cars have their torque limited in first and possibly second gear to protect the gearbox, there is some parts changed like the clutch plates but I still don't believe it can cope with all that the VR6Bi-turbo has to offer.

Maybe Jarod or Frederic can chip in with some words of wisdom.

[The Pretender]

HGP-turbo DSG up-grade parts, up to 650 Nm and more.

http://www.hgp-turbo.de/vw/images/DSG_ein.jpg http://www.hgp-turbo.de/vw/images/DSG_bi1.jpg http://www.hgp-turbo.de/vw/images/DSG_bi2.jpg

btw, still think Audi UK have mess-up there info.

Jarod.

[PeterJohn]

All new and fairly powerfull cars limit the torque in the first gears. Some of the performance gains in chip tuning are achieved by cancelling this function.

Owners of highly tuned cars sometimes don't even bother upgrading the clutch. They don't drive the cars often, or just find it easier to replace the worn clutches instead of sourcing something stronger. The torque rating of gearboxes takes a long life of abuse into account. It's not going to blow up if you exceed the rating, you're just going to wear it out sooner. Or you can replace the parts that wear out with something stronger.

Look up the HGP R36: 750Nm through an uprated wet clutch DSG, with full mechanical warranty.

Since Audi is actually offering (or going to) the new 7speed DSG with +260Nm engines, it's pointless to debate that the box is too weak for it. Remember that the Veyron has one too. And they're planning a 1380Nm version, according to rumours. The gearbox of the Veyron sits in the cockpit between the driver and the passenger (à la Lamborghini). So it's not like they had a lot more room than the mass production DSG, and put in a massive gearbox. It's a matter of high quality materials and high quality manufacturing. So if you want to upgrade your 260Nm 7speed DSG, you don't have to engineer a new gearbox, you just have to replace/modify those parts that wear out. The limiting factor is your budget.

DSG is an adaptation of the classic manual gear box. The smooth changes, distribution of the workload over two clutches, and elimination of human error gives it a greater potential than a regular manual. If a manual transmission can handle the S3 engine, then a DSG transmission should have no problem with it.

I remember this exact debate about the 6speed wet clutch DSG, and how it wouldn't be able to handle the power of the TTS.

[The Pretender]

Since Audi is actually offering (or going to) the new 7speed DSG with +260Nm engines......
That's the 7-speed FWD version.
There is no 7-speed Quattro DSG for transverse engine's.

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

Audi S3 is quattro, and its offered with 7 speed S-tronic...

[JavierNuvolari]

The Sportback S3 it's just perfect, for me that it is...and now it seems to have gotten a whole lot better.

[Leadfoot]

I am almost 100% certain that the UK Audi release that the S3 with be the first car to receive the new S/Tronic 7 speed gearbox. All of the UK car magazines are running the story and I am certain that they have contacted Audi to confirm these facts before going to print.

[The Pretender]

I am almost 100% certain that the UK Audi release that the S3 with be the first car to receive the new S/Tronic 7 speed gearbox. All of the UK car magazines are running the story and I am certain that they have contacted Audi to confirm these facts before going to print.
I still think Audi UK have mess things up big time.
There is still nothing to be found on Audi.de and Audi.com about it.

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

...still nothing to be found on Audi.de and Audi.com about it.

True....

[KresoF1]

Germany new price list says S Tronic with 6speed as is also in internal Audi configurator. Audi UK made a mess with 7speed claim...

[AndyBG]

S-tronic after all, but ''only'' 6 speeder... That's not that bad. :)

[Leadfoot]

Oh well, it looks like Audi UK and all the UK car mags have made a boob. :lovl:

At least it is coming and 6 gears is better than no option at all.

P.S.
Just went to the link on the UK site and it's now changed to a 6 speed and not the 7speed originally posted.

http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/about_audi_ag/news/audi_s3_boxes_clever_with_new_s_tronic_transmissio n_option.html

[trick]

Maybe they meant 6-speed + 1 reverse = 7 speed ;)

Looks like the S3 is getting the Gen 4 haldex + mag ride. Now that the technology is virtually equal it's interesting that the car still underperforms compared to the TTS. It's only running 7PS less, yet the 0-62 times are 0.4s slower.