RS5 front bumper revealed

[HKS786]

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_007.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_001.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_003.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_006.jpg
http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_002.jpg

[RS6Driver]

I never thought I'd say this about an Audi frontend... But that is really ugly :(

[The RS6]

I never thought I'd say this about an Audi frontend... But that is really ugly :(

It looks out of place, but I reckon they will make the rest of the car crazy enough to match it, and then it will all look very very good :)

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

it WILL look good. Mean in black and awesome in lighter colors. :0:

Qisha

[logpak23]

Am i the only one who sees something wrong here, the scopes in the front are hiding inter coolers for turbos. i could of swore that audi said that the rs5 will be N/A

[crespo]

I certainly hope the aluminum crossbrace will be painted black or something.

and logpak23: no turbos.

[artur777]

Dear Friends,

it WILL look good. Mean in black and awesome in lighter colors. :0:

Qisha

Dear Qisha,

you told us about watercoolers.
Will it be 4.0 TFSI with SC?

JUst your expectations due to the regulations, limitations and targets

Thx.

[rs4some]

with those massive side intacts you'd have to assume it is for intercoolers as it is far from an attractive asthetic view

[The RS6]

http://www.germancarblog.com/images/audi/AudiRS5.jpg

http://www.germancarblog.com/images/audi/AudiRS5_1.jpg

From:
http://www.germancarblog.com/2008/08/audi-rs5-real-deal-on-car-magazine.html

[The Pretender]

No, not by a long shot, it's a photoshopped S5.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/RS5/Spy_01/2010_Audi_RS5_spy_shots_007.jpg

Awesome looking front bumper, Audi's best ever design IMHO.
The TT-S was the first with this design and now the TT-R and RS5 will have it too.

Jarod.

[HKS786]

RS5 chop:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/rs5.jpg

[wankeldude]

I just don't think you can assume those are intercoolers

[Damienr8]

Im not going to lie, the red RS5 on the Car Mag cover looks better to me than the black one in the spyshots.

I think i prefer the red one's front bumper over the TTS esque bumper in the spyshots.

[The RS6]

These are new I think...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080826.003/best-shots-yet-of-2010-audi-rs5

[QuattroFun]

I also have my reservations on the RS5 front intake, but hopefully it will grow on me if the final version will be close to it, which I think it will be.

[Leadfoot]

These are new I think...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080826.003/best-shots-yet-of-2010-audi-rs5

It's weird, I love the look on the TT but hate it on the RS5.

[QuattroFun]

Maybe there is something Darth Vaderish in the way the lower intake Jolie lips merge into the bumber that make the look less pretty or something...

[The RS6]

New PS

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/10363/images/AudiRS5.jpg

[Damienr8]

It's weird, I love the look on the TT but hate it on the RS5.

I agree with you 100%. I favor the red one on the car magazine cover

[OfftheHeZie]

Yea, that black one looks awful.

~Mason

[Leadfoot]

To me the Car magazine version looks the more believeable. The black one in Vegas though similar to that of the A3 Clubsport, looks a little over the top.

I know Car can get it wrong but on this occasion I hope they end up to be right for a change.

[Damienr8]

I know Car can get it wrong but on this occasion I hope they end up to be right for a change.

+1 The car render looks much better. Slick and MEAN.:jlol:

[The Pretender]

Car Magazine's RS5 front look aweful, it's as bad as the RS6 front.
The black RS5 mule look awesome like the TT-S.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

Car Magazine's RS5 front look aweful, it's as bad as the RS6 front.
The black RS5 mule look awesome like the TT-S.

Jarod.

Hans,

That's your opinion, as for me I prefer the CAR version, based of the photo evidence. Maybe my opinion will change once I have seen it for real.

[Damienr8]

Car Magazine's RS5 front look aweful, it's as bad as the RS6 front.
The black RS5 mule look awesome like the TT-S.

Jarod.

ARE YOU BLIND.... JK LOL hehehe...:jlol:

Everyone has their opinion. The opinions are pretty split up right now hehe. I just dont like the spyshot bumper because it's too TT-S like and it doesnt "flow" with the rest of the car. The CAR Magazine bumper looks aggressive and complements the overall "flow" of the front end.

[Vorsprung]

New PS

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/10363/images/AudiRS5.jpg

Wow, this looks amazing. Everything i hope the new RS5 looks like. :cool2:

Looks really agressive with a low slung stance... Audi, dont dissapoint on this one please....

[The Pretender]

That's your opinion, as for me I prefer the CAR version, based of the photo evidence. Maybe my opinion will change once I have seen it for real.
If you have seen the TT-S in real life and liked it, you will like the RS5 in real live.

Jarod.

[HKS786]

If you have seen the TT-S in real life and liked it, you will like the RS5 in real live.

Jarod.

I didnt like the TT-S at first and even now in real-life I feel the front bumper could look better. The RS5's bumper is similar but I think it's better and looks great even in bad quality spypics.

[Leadfoot]

If you have seen the TT-S in real life and liked it, you will like the RS5 in real live.

Jarod.

Yeah, I saw one in white sitting along side a beautiful R8, Sprint Blue with graphite alloys and carbon blade. :love:

Maybe the reason so many are preferring the RS5 version in CAR magazine is because it's a finished rendition instead of seeing an overly aggressive bumper on a stock S5.

[Damienr8]

If you have seen the TT-S in real life and liked it, you will like the RS5 in real live.

Jarod.

I dunno man. That bumper in the spyshots look way over the top.

[The Pretender]

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5-6.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5-5.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5-4.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5-2.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2010-audi-rs5-3.jpg

The car looks like a S5, but according to the photographer it did not sound like a S5.
The front bumper is different with bigger air intakes presume that it's a test mule for the RS5.
It will be competing with the new BMW M3 V8 and Mercedes-Benz C63.
Just like other RS models the 5 will be developed by Quattro GmbH, Audi’s performance department.
The RS5 will be a Quattro but engine wise there are still question mark's.
Power will be 420+ hp (S5 has 354 hp).

Jarod.

[Rage]

Another testmule.....perhaps S5 Evo though i think the Evo in itself is a testmule and not a production candidate.

I hate that front bumper on the 5. (though it looks good on the TT/S/R)

[The Pretender]

Best front bumper design i've seen from Audi for a long time.

Jarod.

[artur777]

Did this very photographer hear was the engine NA or Turboed?

[Damienr8]

Another testmule.....perhaps S5 Evo though i think the Evo in itself is a testmule and not a production candidate.

I hate that front bumper on the 5. (though it looks good on the TT/S/R)

+1 the bomper in these spyshots doesnt mesh well with the rest of the car.

[Rage]

The CAR photoshops look much better though im hoping for a more aggressive appearance.

[Mockenrue]

I wonder if the rollcage and bucket seats will make it into production! :hahahehe:

[DJim]

Audi Testing the RS5 click on the picture for more pictures

http://nieuws.auto.nl.msn.com/msn/msn_nieuws.php?cache=no&ID=9931

[inF]

+1 the bomper in these spyshots doesnt mesh well with the rest of the car.

+2. Like Hulk's mouth on Batman.

[Kev.S]

Another testmule.....perhaps S5 Evo though i think the Evo in itself is a testmule and not a production candidate.

I hate that front bumper on the 5. (though it looks good on the TT/S/R)

How's about this being the new S5 with 3.0 T V6?

[Leadfoot]

How's about this being the new S5 with 3.0 T V6?

They wouldn't have required to place a different front bumper if that had been the case. All this would have done is draw attention to something which Audi would want to conduct in private. ;)

[The Pretender]

How's about this being the new S5 with 3.0 T V6?
I have info that say this is a facelift S5 testmule with new 3.0TFSI supercharged engine, new 7-speed S-Tronic and TVQ.

Jarod.

[HKS786]

I have info that say this is a facelift S5 testmule with new 3.0TFSI supercharged engine, new 7-speed S-Tronic and TVQ.

Jarod.

I dont think it is Hans. The front bumper is nealy identical to the TT-R front bumper. It looks far too aggressive for an S model and has all the characteristics of an RS model. Honeycomb grille, large intakes with honeycomb mesh, etc.

Also, the S5 and S4 look pretty similar in terms of design. Why would Audi facelift the S5 to make it look extra aggressive? :confused:

[The Pretender]

I dont think it is Hans. The front bumper is nealy identical to the TT-R front bumper. It looks far too aggressive for an S model and has all the characteristics of an RS model. Honeycomb grille, large intakes with honeycomb mesh, etc.

Also, the S5 and S4 look pretty similar in terms of design. Why would Audi facelift the S5 to make it look extra aggressive? :confused:
Some say the car sound different then a S5.
If this is a RS5 testmule it would not have a V8 based on the supposed sound it make.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

Some say the car sound different then a S5.
If this is a RS5 testmule it would not have a V8 based on the supposed sound it make.

Jarod.

Is there any video footage available to hear this unique sound. Also has anyone heard the sound of the new 4.0SC engine yet. ;)

[HKS786]

Is there any video footage available to hear this unique sound. Also has anyone heard the sound of the new 4.0SC engine yet. ;)

Is this just a typo mate or is there a 4.0 version? :hahahehe:

[The Pretender]

Is this just a typo mate or is there a 4.0 version? :hahahehe:
Al charged V6, V8 and V10 engines are 200cc smaller then the N/A ones.

Jarod.

[HKS786]

Al charged V6, V8 and V10 engines are 200cc smaller then the N/A ones.

Jarod.

Thats right, but what 4.0 TFSi engine is there Hans? The S4 has a 3.0 version, but I wasnt aware of a 4.0.

[The Pretender]

Thats right, but what 4.0 TFSi engine is there Hans? The S4 has a 3.0 version, but I wasnt aware of a 4.0.
There is a new 4.0TFSI V8 engine with ± 395 hp in development for the next gen A8.
A tuned version of that engine can deliver 444 hp.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

There is a new 4.0TFSI V8 engine with ± 395 hp in development for the next gen A8.
A tuned version of that engine can deliver 444 hp.

Jarod.

BINGO!!!!!

My thinking is that the 3.0SC sounds totally different to either a N/A 3.2v6 currently used and reckon that if this is a S5 mule testing a possible RS5 engine replacement it could be the new 4.0SC which also might sound totally different to the S5/RS4's 4.2N/A or even the old 4.2Bi-turbo from the RS6.

It's still the choice that I am betting on.

[HKS786]

BINGO!!!!!

My thinking is that the 3.0SC sounds totally different to either a N/A 3.2v6 currently used and reckon that if this is a S5 mule testing a possible RS5 engine replacement it could be the new 4.0SC which also might sound totally different to the S5/RS4's 4.2N/A or even the old 4.2Bi-turbo from the RS6.

It's still the choice that I am betting on.

Leadie,

It aint a bad guess either. I did think of it. Audi detuned the 3.0TFSi for the A6 producing 290bhp. Using calculations of the S4's new engine a 4.0TFSi would push out 444bhp just like Hans said. It would give great torque figures too and I'm guessing it would be just as economic. Dont forget the new S4 is 29% more economical than what it replaced ;)

I still hear of other engines for the RS5 from my source, who knows? Maybe Audi are testing more than 1. :hahahehe:

[artur777]

taking into consideration hp competition with c63 & m3, hp should be
Higher than 450.

Don't forget that RS5 is AWD, and it needs app.10% more hp to compete with RWD rivals. Also Audi positions A5 as smth between 3series and 6series so don't forget about 500 hp m6 to compete with.

Summing it up, my conclusion is that RS5 should have 450-500 hp under the bonnet.
It could be only 3 types of engines:
- derived 4,0 v8 from RS6 with about 470-480 hp
- derived 4,2 v8 from new v10 R8 / modernized from RS4 B7 with about 450-460 hp
- a v8 version of newly developed 3,0 v6 in S4 with about 444 hp

We know for sure from Audi production plans that new A8 will have the 3rd engine option with 395 hp, but this engine seems to be too civic for RS5 engine philosophy.
The question is what way Audi will go - more expensive one with derived RS6 engine or more cheap one with derived R8 v10 / modernized R
S4 B7 engine.
The weight factor is also important so 2nd opition is lighter than 1st one.
Adding the info from Audi production plans about RS5 with 2nd engine option, this is my bet.

It seems logical, economically effective and weight winning option.
So - v8 4,2 FSI with 450-460 hp and paired with 7sp-S-Tronic it will do miracles on the roads and track.
I expect the following figures:
0-100 - 4,4 sec
0-200 - 13,5 -14,5 sec
1/4 mile - 118 mph @ low-to-mid 12's

And pls dont forget that it must have to be quicker than c63, m3 and 911 c4s which could achieve 0-200 in 14,5-15 sec.

I also hope the weight to be not higher than S5 and weight distribution even little better.

So I will be glad to hear motivated and deep opinions on the subject.

[Leadfoot]

artur777,

I see flaws in your thinking, especially around the 2rd option.

For a start the new 5.2L engine in the R8 will only produce just over the magical 100hp/L as did the old RS4 version. Audi are hardly going to increase this as more power will require even more revs and ultimately an even economical engine.

Option 1 would work for both the output required and go along way to reaching the require CO2 and economical figures but as you pointed out it will be the heaviest of all three options. It suited the RS6's character but having such a heavy lump of an engine in the RS5 will dull it's handling and be near enough impossible to reach anything like their desired 50/50 weight dis.

The only option in my eyes that delivers on all the above is the 4.0SC engine. The power and torque are available, even if their stick to the percentage improvements that the 3.0SC engine is showing between the A6 and S4, but this is an RS version so chances are it could produce more than the 444hp suggested if require. The weight should be close to that of the N/A engine as the SC doesn't have the same weight issues that come with twin turbos and we have already seen how economical the S4 engine is compared to it's rival S5 engine so we can expect the 4.0L version to be equally as big an improvement to similarly output engines of larger capacities.

It's the logical choice.

The only thing I am a little concerned with is the sound, after hearding the S4 it's weedy at best and no a patch of the throb of the V8 in the S5. The RS5 will need everybit as an aggressive note to match it's aggressive looks.

[The Pretender]

I'm not sure the RS5 will have that much power, and why.
The M3 have 420 hp and weigh something like 1600 Kg, rumour say the next M3 will have a tuned 335i inline 6 engine.
If Audi want a BMW M3 killer that handle's, reducing weight is the way to go, not adding more power.
If Audi put in the 3.0TFSI V6 Supercharged engine with a bigger supercharger (or Bi-turbo's on top in the V of the engine) with 400+ hp and keep the weight close to 1500 Kg that would be a M3 killer.
Nissan is showing with the GT-R that a V6 engine is enough.

Jarod.

[JavierNuvolari]

I fully agree with you Jarod. The future is no longer on the power but the power to weight ratio wich some modern cars seem to be leaving aside.
As for the engine, would be nice to see a 3L V6 with TT like the good old B5 RS 4, but jumped up to some 420hp.

Cheers all.

[HKS786]

I agree on weight saving but I dont feel confident about Audi actually implimenting the idea into the next RS4 and RS5 to as much of an extent as I would like. Time will tell though...

[artur777]

no V6 for RS5 - it's just funny...
C63 and M3 are V8, Audi have to be in the same league...
Next versions of all those cars could be V6 TT, but for now - not.

I agree with thoughts of Leadfoot and that's why I hope for the derived RS6 engine, which is quite economic and C02 suitable:-)

[The Pretender]

I don't care what engine they put in, i prefer the R5 2.5TFSI any way.
The light weight TT-R will wipe the floor with the upcoming super heavy weight RS5.
The TT-R will be the second fastes Audi behind the R8 V10.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

I don't care what engine they put in, i prefer the R5 2.5TFSI any way.
The light weight TT-R will wipe the floor with the upcoming super heavy weight RS5.
The TT-R will be the second fastes Audi behind the R8 V10.

Jarod.

+1, though I would be happy for it to be between the RS4 and the R8v8. Anything better than that would be wishful thinking.

Re: RS5
I personally would love the RS5 to have a smaller, light and powerful that could not only benefit the weight balance between the axles but also reduce the overall weight but the reality is for Audi to chose a more simple approach in a bigger engine will a bit more power. To expect Audi to lose 150kgs from the weight of the S5 would require major usage of very expense materials like CF and that would push the RS5 price well above the M3.

[youry]

I got a relaibel source that confirmed audi decide that they would go with 4.2 V8 NA at 450hp..... derived from RS4 B7 engine....

pretty shitty news infact as this will mean no revolution.

they had a mule running with a V10, but accoridng to my source its been abandonned becasue its too expansive.......

gosh I hope its wrong....

[The Pretender]

Re: RS5
I personally would love the RS5 to have a smaller, light and powerful that could not only benefit the weight balance between the axles but also reduce the overall weight but the reality is for Audi to chose a more simple approach in a bigger engine will a bit more power. To expect Audi to lose 150kgs from the weight of the S5 would require major usage of very expense materials like CF and that would push the RS5 price well above the M3.
150 Kg less then the S5 mean a RS5 that weigh 1480 Kg, no way we will see that with a V8.

Jarod.

[ZeroCool]

no V6 for RS5 - it's just funny...
C63 and M3 are V8, Audi have to be in the same league...
Next versions of all those cars could be V6 TT, but for now - not.

I agree with thoughts of Leadfoot and that's why I hope for the derived RS6 engine, which is quite economic and C02 suitable:-)

You said that maybe the next Versions could be V6TT but not now...
How should that work? All of them have V8s ... so somebody has to be the first who is going to use the V6 ... why shouldn't it be AUDI?

I also don't think that it will be a V6 .. but everything is possible

[artur777]

You said that maybe the next Versions could be V6TT but not now...
How should that work? All of them have V8s ... so somebody has to be the first who is going to use the V6 ... why shouldn't it be AUDI?

I also don't think that it will be a V6 .. but everything is possible

I agree with your question.
So if you see - Audi has a chasing role in this contest - M3 and C63 are new generation cars and Audi only in 2009 will have a car to compete in full with them. Old RS4 is one hell of a car but only manual and some other drawbacks.
And that's why it will be no Audi to start with V6 TT. BMW or Mercedes - more likely.

BTW - Mercedes AMG has announced that their new 6.2 engine is already going to be obsolete as Mercedes is going to concentrate on new 5.0 TT engine with 570-630 hp which will have lower emissions and better fuel mileage as well as torque figures:hahahehe:

Nothing is known about next M5/M6 engines but the rumours are that they also will be V8 TT.

So let's wait - and see!

[Leadfoot]

Debatable, if I would agree that Audi have a chasing role in this, to many the RS4 set the trend with it's high revving V8 engine and even though it now superseded the RS4 was good enough to compete with the C63 and M3 on level pegging.

I see the new RS5/4 as trend setter once again, positioning themselves well ahead of the competition who are the ones that are really playing catch up.

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

your opinion is interesing but please think that Audi while playing a chasing role always do the cars which are better then main competitors' ones.
When I meant a chasing role I thought about cars' lifecycles.

[Leadfoot]

I see where you are coming from. Yeah maybe you are right after all.

[artur777]

Great!!! :-)
I am absolutely sure about the fact that RS5 will be bettet than its major rivals:-))

[Leadfoot]

The RS5 will be a tour de force but I doubt it will be the driver's car that the TT/R might be (if allowed). The RS5 might be more similar to the GTR in that it will be devilish efficient and we will marvel at this but doubt it will as engaging as some of it's rwd rivals (namely the M3).

My understanding on Torque Vectoring is to quell under and oversteer thus providing a neutral handling bias, not as rewarding as power slides or 4wheel drift but an extremely quick way at covering ground.

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

to be "extremely quick" is also a sort of great fun and very engaging:-)
Agree?

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

to be "extremely quick" is also a sort of great fun and very engaging:-)
Agree?

It's one of the reasons why I love Quattro, covering ground quicker than almost anything else, especially in the wet is hugely enjoyable. :wo:

[BigRick]

Hi everyone,

I just came back from my dealer (winter tire time) and they were telling me that they have internal pics of the RS5 in its "almost" final state.

Anyone can confirm and post those pics that they were unable/not allowed to show?!

Thanks,

[Rage]

Hi everyone,

I just came back from my dealer (winter tire time) and they were telling me that they have internal pics of the RS5 in its "almost" final state.

Anyone can confirm and post those pics that they were unable/not allowed to show?!

Thanks,

So long as it looks anything like the Car photoshop i'll be happy. I like the look of the rear spoiler too.

[The Pretender]

So long as it looks anything like the Car photoshop i'll be happy. I like the look of the rear spoiler too.
I very much doubt it will look like the Car photoshop.
It will not have the RS6 style front spoiler/bumper.
I also doubt it will have the Ur-Quattro style fenders, or wide fenders at all.
And i'm certain the RS5 will not have the extending/retractable rear spoiler. (i like the idea)
If that was the case it would be on the mule's from the start.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/10363/images/AudiRS5.jpg

Jarod.

[Rage]

I very much doubt it will look like the Car photoshop.
It will not have the RS6 style front spoiler/bumper.
I also doubt it will have the Ur-Quattro style fenders, or wide fenders at all.
And i'm certain the RS5 will not have the extending/retractable rear spoiler. (i like the idea)
If that was the case it would be on the mule's from the start.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/10363/images/AudiRS5.jpg

Jarod.

That would make the S5 much more aggressive and impressive than a fenderless, fishmouth RS5;(

[Leadfoot]

I doubt Audi will leave the RS5 looking like an S5 with a new nose. I am not sure how the curved line that runs the length of the A5 body would look with the RS6 arches, but if they use the CAR photoshops as a reference they could do a lot worse.

[tvrfan]

i just hope that audi goes back to the simple wider fenders like on B7 RS4 i loved that wide big fat fenders ^^

[Leadfoot]

Who here now believes that the Black S5 mule seen was the new RS5 or maybe just the S5 with the new 3.0L SC engine.

[youry]

RS5 mule, no reason to have a so different bumper for the S5. S care are not very differet cars than the normal audis, which is how the S5 is today, very close to a A5 with Sline package

[Leadfoot]

RS5 mule, no reason to have a so different bumper for the S5. S care are not very differet cars than the normal audis, which is how the S5 is today, very close to a A5 with Sline package

I would usually say the exact same thing but for the fact that all the test mules seen have never had the customary twin oval pipes of RS mules and the one in the desert didn't have the usual bigger brakes if I recall correctly.

The only reason I threw the question out there was the fact that this test mule had intercoolers which is customary with Forced Induction. Maybe Audi were hot weather testing the engines prior to the S4 release. It's easier to had a larger opening and cover it up than having a smaller one that needs to be enlarged. ;)

P.S.
I am not arguing with you, only begging the question as a possibilty.