Next Gen A8.

[The Pretender]

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Audi/A8/rendering/Aug_08/2011_Audi_A8_rendering_MotorAuthority_001.jpg
The current Audi A8 has been on sale since 2003 and since that time has only received a minor facelift to keep it fresh alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Lexus LS and soon-to-be superseded BMW 7-series.
The minor styling changes implemented during the recent facelift will have to soldier on for a few more years as the next-generation ‘D4’ A8 isn’t expected to arrive until 2010.

A prototype for the car has already been spotted undergoing cold weather testing, hidden beneath the current D3 body.
Tell-tale signs that the prototype was the next-generation model included the extended fender flares, stretched wheelbase and wider track.
Under the new sheet metal will be an extended version of the modular platform used in the A4, but expect to see more exotic materials such as aluminum and magnesium employed to help save weight and improve dynamics.
The engine lineup will likely mirror the current range, starting with a 2.8L petrol V6 and topping out 4.2L V8 FSI and possibly the carmaker’s new 6.0L V12 TDI.
There will also be more supercharged units as well as increased application of Audi’s latest Valve-Lift system.
The 6.0L W12 engine is reportedly being phased out due to its high costs and emissions.
The base model will remain FWD but AWD variants will feature the latest quattro torque vectoring systems, which distribute drive individually between each axle and between the rear wheels for improved traction and stability.

Jarod.

[54m]

I Do Not like it at all if that's how it is going to look,:doh:

[crespo]

No way! ^

I really like that pchop. Hopefully it comes out close to that.

[RXBG]

looks a bit too phateon-esque doesn't it? though it is a clean, wholesome attempt.

[The RS6]

It looks like a pumped-up A5...

Personally, I like how that looks, but I think it should look different...

[AndyBG]

I think it will look different. A8 was allways true ''flagship'' for audi, and next IAA Frankfurt '09 will be the place to be and see new A8!

Ha, Ha... I really love A8!

:cheers:

[Damienr8]

Thank God it's a photoshop.

[The Pretender]

it look more like a A5 sedan to me.

Jarod.

[HKS786]

it look more like a A5 sedan to me.

Jarod.

+1

Its so predictable. I hope the new A8 isnt "same sausage, different length".

On a side note, Audi shouldnt have changed the A6 rear lights. Those new rear lights should have appeared on the A4 instead of it's droopy lights. I'm dissapointed that the A4/A5/A6 have similar rear lights. Audi need to distinguish between their models more!

[Leadfoot]

Since the A5 I feel Audi's design is a little uninspiring, the A4 is boring and this design of the A8 is following along those lines. The interior design and execution is still the best but I feel they are slipping on exterior design.

At the moment the only exciting Audis are the TT, R8 and the A5.

School report reading : must try harder.

[The Pretender]

On a side note, Audi shouldnt have changed the A6 rear lights.
Yes big mistake, i like the old A6 sedan rear lights much better.

Jarod.

[PeterJohn]

The pshop is a little bland, as said. Perhaps Quinty can cook up something more exciting.

[Ti-Mike]

i hope they will bring the V10 Bi Turbo in the S8 that would be perfect, and i don't like the mirrors. anyway its still a long way till 2010

[The Pretender]

i hope they will bring the V10 Bi Turbo in the S8 that would be perfect, and i don't like the mirrors. anyway its still a long way till 2010
I believe that's the plan to put the RS6 engine in the new S8.

Jarod.

[Ti-Mike]

i hope so too, specially as the diesel and no matter if it will be a v12 or not will never have the same comfort and running smoothness as a petrol engine.
If i just compare the 4.2 A8 of my wife and my S8 5.2 wow, the 4.2 feels like a tractor

[Toto89]

This time i have to disagree with most of you, i do like all current Audi looks, including A4 and i really don't think that they are boring. Also like the new A6 rear lights better than the old ones. About this photoshop: We should not even say a word on these things yet as there is no chance to be the final model similar to photoshopped ones. Just remember ps' about A5, A4 and all the RS models.
And do You think that all Audis are the same? I don't think so...They are always similar,but never the same, so don't worry!:thumb:

[AndyBG]

I have big expectations for the next A8..., for me A8 is THE BEST Audi, allways...

[chewym]

I have big expectations for the next A8..., for me A8 is THE BEST Audi, allways...

I agree. The current A8 also has an interior that was very different from the other Audis of the time. I am sure the next A8 will set a high standard with its interior. The new engine should also be very competative (FI V8, V12 TDI) As for pshops, anything that isn't done by Huckfeltd are just guesses that are not always close at all.

[RXBG]

i assume, at least here in the US, it'll start with a new 4.0TT V8 motor with about 400 hp and then offer a detuned RS6 motor for the S8- about 500 hp.

will the A8 or the A7 be introduced first?

[AndyBG]

A8..., I think. But A7 could be introduced without problems... There is huge market for it.

[Ti-Mike]

the A7 wil be based on the a6 and will not enter in the a8 :love2: catergory.....thanks god :applause: ........who needs a 4 door coupe........:vgrumpy:

[AndyBG]

the A7 wil be based on the a6...

Correct, direct MB CLS competitor...

[The RS6]

I like the idea of an A7, because I love the looks of the A5, but if I sit in it, there's absolutly no room for anyone in the back seat...

If I had alot of money to spend on a car, the idea of a roomy 4-door-coupe from Audi would be my first choice...

[The Pretender]

the A7 wil be based on the a6.....
And will be made out of aluminium.

Jarod.

[OfftheHeZie]

I think the current A8 is probably the classiest car on the road right now, and if the design never changed I'd be happy.

Too much suspense to wait and see if the new A8 is on the same level.
We know it will be though.

~Mason

[Audiphile]

I think the current A8 is probably the classiest car on the road right now, and if the design never changed I'd be happy.

Too much suspense to wait and see if the new A8 is on the same level.
We know it will be though.

~Mason

The new A8-Series is not likely to bow in until 2011 or about three years from now according to the general manager of my dealership. He has seen the basic plans for the new A8 at one of those special dealership events Audi holds in Inglostadt for future products. It is going to be one amazing vehicle from at least the technology and interior design side of it. No one knows the exterior design or look of it at this time.

Also, he has seen the ACTUAL A5 Cabriolet and he says that Audi has captured the essence of the A5 design in it. The lines of the A5 remain in the Cabriolet form and it will be one "sexy" car. Currently in LA, dealers are getting about 10,000 USD mark-ups on the A5s and a more so on the S5s. Cannot keep them in stock as Audi is not sending as many here. His S5 was for sale at 71,000 USD and the A5 was for sale at 61,000 USD. Both sold the same day during the Audi A4 Launch party at the dealership while we were there. Audi is very hot in Los Angeles and Southern California.

[OfftheHeZie]

Sounds great! Thanks for the info.

~Mason

[Damienr8]

The new A8-Series is not likely to bow in until 2011 or about three years from now according to the general manager of my dealership. He has seen the basic plans for the new A8 at one of those special dealership events Audi holds in Inglostadt for future products. It is going to be one amazing vehicle from at least the technology and interior design side of it. No one knows the exterior design or look of it at this time.

Also, he has seen the ACTUAL A5 Cabriolet and he says that Audi has captured the essence of the A5 design in it. The lines of the A5 remain in the Cabriolet form and it will be one "sexy" car. Currently in LA, dealers are getting about 10,000 USD mark-ups on the A5s and a more so on the S5s. Cannot keep them in stock as Audi is not sending as many here. His S5 was for sale at 71,000 USD and the A5 was for sale at 61,000 USD. Both sold the same day during the Audi A4 Launch party at the dealership while we were there. Audi is very hot in Los Angeles and Southern California.

It seems that SoCal and New England command the most number of Audi buyers. Is that safe to say?

As per the A8. I am sure it will be even more successful than the current model. Audi captured the market's appeal for a large luxury sedan with the A8 and the next generation will be even better. Hopefully, the sales figures will improve!

[The Pretender]

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_1.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_2.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_3.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_4.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_5.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_6.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_7.jpg

Jarod.

[Audiphile]

Don't know about the rear and side profile. Needs some more tweeking my the Audi design house. Also, is that a bangle butt? I hope not! That would be sacrilege:nono: !

[roadrunner]

C'mon - what's wrong with the sideprofile? :) I think it looks good.

The rear needs get used to, but is nowhere near as bad as bangle's - and as always: never judge an Audi before you have seen it in real life :hihi:

It really seems to be the real deal with some minor pshop (rear lights & rings), which you can see when you hold the magazine in your hands.

Good for us, bad for Audi that this pics show up more 1 year before the new model is available. Wonder what went wrong here.

Some interesting details i noticed:

You already saw the new MMI control unit in the one pic, BUT there is a touchpad to the lower right of the gear lever, which seems to sustitute the new joystick control (Q5, A6, A8 - 3G MMI).

The steering wheel is certaily not final (no multifunction whhel for all the expected goodies?)

The Audi multimedia unit (above the climate control) seems to be not finished = missing a cover? 3 SD card slots visible

New colour display between gauges (speedo, rev)

Strange opening besides the gear lever (far right) - could that be for the already shown (study) Audi control & phone unit? pure speculation, but it seems as the opening was designed to hold something :vhmmm:

Will see the real deal in Sep. 09 in Frankfurt at the latest

cheers
seb.

[RXBG]

looks interesting. i don't know where the "pics" came from, but it can't be a real car. the dash and lower console do not line up, the rims are old style circa 2004 s-lines here in the US, the headlights are the full led style like the R8's, but with the dotted daytime led running lights from the std R8 headlights, not the continuous strip like the full-on led lights, the trunk lid would be a disaster if audi made it like that, the odo/speedometer look cheap and like the ones on the B5 A4, and the steering wheel has no controls and is circa 2004 A6. finally, the grille is reminiscent of that new V8 hyundai.

i think this is an old mock up rendering.

[Leadfoot]

Was there not something about the new A8 coming with a finger print device which wouldn't start the car unless it matched the data stored in it's memory?

[The RS6]

Was there not something about the new A8 coming with a finger print device which wouldn't start the car unless it matched the data stored in it's memory?

The current A8 already has that option...no?

[The Pretender]

The current A8 already has that option...no?
Yes it have.

Jarod.

[Audiphile]

From the massive looking Front Grille, it is obvious the next A8 will be huge! Yes, there is something strange with the rims.

[gabbby69006]

This is a Hukfelt phoshop !!!!!!

It's writed on one of the pictures !!!

I think the real A8 will be significantly better than that.

[HKS786]

These are just chops, right Hans?

[gabbby69006]

The roof is A6 one, as the side. In the inside console, one picture it is oriented on the right, the second one on the left. Front light are the one of the R8, and the curv made of diods is distorded. On the rear view, the front wing is strange. There is a writing on the front wing "MONTAGE - Huckfelt (C)" on the side view.

gabriel

[The Pretender]

The wheels look strange because of a big angle photo lens.

Jarod.

[chewym]

Interesting, I hope the exterior ends up a little different (and better)

[emve]

Have you guys seen the engine line-up ? Seems very accurate (considering the leaked excel document)

3,0TFSI - 290hp / 420Nm
3,0TDI - 250hp / 500Nm

4,2FSI - 372hp / 445Nm
4,0TFSI - 420hp / 550Nm
4,0TDI - 340hp / 850Nm

S8 5,0TFSI - 620hp / 750Nm

I thought the new 760i with about 550hp would be the ultimate autobahn cruiser in that price range (S65 costs twice as much), but the new S8 will be the one.

[Rutkowsky]

S8 5,0TFSI - 620hp / 750Nm

You sure you got this figure right?

It is beyond the mighty RS6 territory, hence i will not believe this untill i see official spec. release.

[The Pretender]

The engine is right, i'm not sure about the power output.
395 is the number i know.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

The engine is right, i'm not sure about the power output.
395 is the number i know.

Jarod.

Can't say for sure but normally Audi use the same output for their normal A6 and A8 models, only providing different output for their S and RS models. If Audi do give the A8 different power output it will be a first as far as I know, though given that the next A6 will have a more extensive use of alloys in it's built there is a possibly that Audi feel they have to increase the output of the A8 to keep it ahead of it's little brother.

P.S.
This is the engine I believe will be used in the RS4 and possibly RS5.

[emve]

As to the S8 5,0TFSI, Georg Kacher´s line up above seems to be accurate. Two engines that appeared in the leaked audi schedule are in line with his lineup. And he mostly gets it right.



The engine is right, i'm not sure about the power output.
395 is the number i know.

Jarod.

I guess you mean 4,0TFSI. It is gonna have 394hp in A7/S7, but probably 420hp in A8.

Just like the 3,0TFSI, which has 290hp and 333hp version.

[The RS6]

Found this:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/2434266938_770d147afb_o.jpg

Thoughts?

[Mockenrue]

Very nice indeed, but not a big enough departure from the D3 in my opinion.

[AndyBG]

It will be much obvious than this...! It will be really great!

[The Pretender]

Look like a facelift.

Jarod.

[darkart]

Look like a facelift.

Me too! I do not like it.

[Mockenrue]

Latest spy shots from AutoBild:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1395/609647898e5c00091d44178vg6.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2848/609647908927fcc96d43665ah5.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/313/60964791d0c6d318de43792iy6.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6899/6096479297425fd03e43863wr5.jpg

[RXBG]

looks like the long wheelbase version. very long. doesn't look like it would fit in a regular garage.

[Kliko61]

these are not spyshots of the A8, are they?because on Audiforum.nl they say that these are shots of the coming A7.....

[The RS6]

these are not spyshots of the A8, are they?because on Audiforum.nl they say that these are shots of the coming A7.....

The pics shown up are not the same as these which are of the A7...

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146580&postcount=12

[Mockenrue]

A few more:

http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/61092965_b5bd8f8751.jpg

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/6464/610929646cbf7b81ab14649am3.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5414/61092958e4c7f56a8c14569fi5.jpg

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

did you notice the plates on the last shots? :thumb:

Qisha

[Erik]

Five-fifty

[Kliko61]

So you're saying that we're going to see a version with 550 HP??

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

"ordninary" = IN

"extraordinary" = HN

"Home made" = HN QU

Qisha :thumb:

[Erik]

Home made, so trying out the RS6 engine with another body? :hahahehe:

[artur777]

Dear Friends,

"ordninary" = IN

"extraordinary" = HN

"Home made" = HN QU

Qisha :thumb:

Cool!

HN QU 550 - means V10TT from RS6 at 550 hp!
That's very interesting. Will it be next S8?

[RXBG]

550 hp or- 5.5 liters? either way- tell them it is leaning too much and not meeting RXBG's criteria for handling. tell them to dial up the firmness in the dampers. i'll check back in later and tell you if i am happy with the outcome. :D

[AndyBG]

My guess is 6.0 TDI 550 hp... :D

[RXBG]

My guess is 6.0 TDI 550 hp... :D


probably right- and 650 lb/ft of torque :MTM:

call it an S8 and make it do 60 in 4.5 and the 1/4 in 12.9 and we're set.

[The RS6]

Q7 4.2V8 - 2240 kg
Q7 6.0V12TDI - 2605 kg
A8 4.2V8 - 1780 kg
A8 6.0V12TDI - 2200? Hmm...

[artur777]

No, no 6.0 TDI
its TFSI from RS6:-)

[ZeroCool]

I'm sure we'll see the V12 TDI in the A8 ...

[AndyBG]

Witch of these engines will be in next A8 offer...?

2.8
3.0 T
4.0 T ???
5.0 T
6.0
3.0 TDI
4.2 TDI
6.0 TDI

[Chuvips]

I think all engines will be either TFSI or TDI
My opinion is
3.0T
4.0T (4.2T?)
5.0T (for S8)
3.0TDI
4.2TDI
6.0TDI
They won't make gasoline 6.0. With 6.0TDI they have an excellent economical autobahn bullet, which will replace the old 6.0. No matter that it will be heavy - for real fast driving there will be S8, particulary round corners.

[AndyBG]

So, you recon that 6.0l W12 is thing of past...?

[Chuvips]

nothing bad about w12, my father's got one, i think it's great! Maybe they'll make an fsi version with a lil bit more power... But on one hand as a flagship v12 tdi is cooler - besides its power and fuel economy it has more important function - showing off Audi's high technological achievements in diesel. And on the other hand there is v8 tfsi - here the history is like with new S4. Not 12 cylinders, but still as fast (almost as fast), again more economical, which means much bigger sales.

[AndyBG]

Interestingly, but no one's talking about Bentleys W12 bi-turbo..., maybe that engine find its way into next A8, alltough, I doubt that.

[The Pretender]

Interestingly, but no one's talking about Bentleys W12 bi-turbo..., maybe that engine find its way into next A8, alltough, I doubt that.
The next Bentley's will most likely get the Bi-Turbo V10 FSI.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

The next Bentley will probably gain a diesel into the line-up, no matter how much Bentley officials deny it.

I'm expecting a Bi-turbo V10 and the v12TDi to both take up service under than mightly bonnet, and I know which one I would prefer.

[Chuvips]

Bentley engine could have appeared in recent A8 as an answer to much more powerful Merc's. But for next gen - doubtfully, I agree.

[AndyBG]

Here's the latest ilustration of the future A8... Personaly, I'm expecting lot mor than this.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-a8-future.html

[The Pretender]

Boring looking car.

Jarod.

[The RS6]

Boring looking car.


+1

Audi, give us some "sportback concept" elements!!

[The Pretender]

http://www.alltommotor.se/polopoly_fs/1.9758!image/292365829.jpg_gen/derivatives/article/292365829.jpg
http://www.alltommotor.se/polopoly_fs/1.9757!image/739053493.jpg_gen/derivatives/article/739053493.jpg

Jarod.

[roadrunner]

bad photoshop in my opinion :confused:

[AndyBG]

Missed shot... IMHO.

[The Pretender]

It's based on this.

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Audi/2010-Audi-A8.jpg

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

Some how, I imagine it little bit different.
This lack of spy shots and everything else about next A8 really confuses me... It is only six months away.

[Audiphile]

Here's the latest ilustration of the future A8... Personaly, I'm expecting lot mor than this.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-a8-future.html

I do not buy that this illustration is remotely close to what the actual next generation A8 will look like. Although, I do not know what the design will be, I have heard to expect the next A8 to move upwards in terms of styling and luxury. The current A8 is a perfect execution of the Audi bauhaus design and is aging beautifully unlike the 7-Series and the new S-Class which is looking dated already. Expect a new level of interior design taking the A8 to another level, not to mention the new technologic features. Remember that Audi has been made responsible for the development of not only its flagship the A8, but the next Bentley Flying Spur as well. Expect the A8 to pass the S-Class. Inglostadt wants the premium luxury crown at all costs and they are spending big on the next generation A8 to be king.

[AndyBG]

I do not buy that this illustration is remotely close to what the actual next generation A8 will look like. Although, I do not know what the design will be, I have heard to expect the next A8 to move upwards in terms of styling and luxury. The current A8 is a perfect execution of the Audi bauhaus design and is aging beautifully unlike the 7-Series and the new S-Class which is looking dated already. Expect a new level of interior design taking the A8 to another level, not to mention the new technologic features. Remember that Audi has been made responsible for the development of not only its flagship the A8, but the next Bentley Flying Spur as well. Expect the A8 to pass the S-Class. Inglostadt wants the premium luxury crown at all costs and they are spending big on the next generation A8 to be king.

I'm hoping and expecting you to be right! :D

[roadrunner]

New pics of a A8 D4 testmule

source: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/692/461318/text/

We are getting closer - my guess is still IAA 2009 autoshow in frankfurt, and i will be there :thumb:

http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/692/461318/image_fmbg_30_1.jpg
http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/692/461318/image_fmbg_30_0.jpg
http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/692/461318/image_fmbg_30_11.jpg
http://pix.sueddeutsche.de/automobil/692/461318/image_fmbg_30_7.jpg

[Kliko]

[quote=The Pretender;155422]It's based on this.

I hope its based on that photoshop because the other red one is ugly as hell!!!!:confused::confused:

The A8 has always been a very classy and sporty car in its class. If Audi will be "THE" premium carbrand, then the new A8 has to be very stylish and sporty. I think the new 7 is a great car, far better than the old one. S classe of Mercedes is overloaded with new technologic stuff but the exterior of the car isn't very nice...

I expect a lot of the new A8. I hope they won't change the car dramatically in design, as BMW did with the previous 7 (that was one ugly car)

[chewym]

Looks like the pshops in this post http://www.rs6.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141910&postcount=29 are pretty accurate. You can see the trunk on the test car being like the one in the pshop.

the A7 concept also had pretty much the same size/location of the navigation screen which supports that the interior photo is authentic.

[AndyBG]

I can't wait for this one..! Next A8 HAS to be great, as previous two were!

[roadrunner]

Looks like the pshops in this post http://www.rs6.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141910&postcount=29 are pretty accurate. You can see the trunk on the test car being like the one in the pshop.

the A7 concept also had pretty much the same size/location of the navigation screen which supports that the interior photo is authentic.

Same opinion here, besides i'm not sure these pics were pure pshop after all

[AndyBG]

Article saying 2010, but I'm still expecting IAA '09...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090312.027/next-generation-audi-a8-coming-in-2010

[The Pretender]

Article saying 2010, but I'm still expecting IAA '09...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090312.027/next-generation-audi-a8-coming-in-2010
Yes modelyear 2010, introduction 2009.

Jarod.

[RXBG]

yep. expect frankfurt- new A8. and maybe the RS5. i suspect the Q7 facelift will be shown via press release this summer--- june perhaps.

[AndyBG]

Four ring = four cilinders... :D

Acording to this article, before Audi puts four cilinder engines in S4 and S5 it will do so with new A8...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-audi-to-offer-next-gen-a8-with-four-cylinder.html

[Kliko]

But 4 cilinders sounds realyy bad, come ooon, if they want to downsize, do it with 5-cilinders!!!!! With biturbo or whatever.....

[darkart]

Four cilinder engine in A8?!? That is a shame!

[AndyBG]

So..., what can we expect to be engine line-up for next A8...?

Here's what I'm thinking:

Petrol:
2.8 or 2.5 T
3.0 T
4.0 T
5.0 T

Diesel:
3.0 TDI
4.2 TDI
6.0 TDI

Some other opinions are welcome..

[The Pretender]

I think:

Petrol.

2.0TFSI R4. ???
2.8TFSI V6 SC.
3.0TFSI V6 SC.
4.0TFSI V8 SC or BT.
5.0TFSI V10 BT (S8)

Diesel.

All the V6, V8 and V12 TDI engines.

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

Is it really possible for 2.0 T to find its place in A8...?

Why 2.5 T isn't possible for A8?

And, what will be ''top'' A8...? Is W12 going to be offered?

[The Pretender]

Is it really possible for 2.0 T to find its place in A8...?

Why 2.5 T isn't possible for A8?

And, what will be ''top'' A8...? Is W12 going to be offered?
W12 engine will fit, but not sure we will see it back in there.
The 2.5TFSI is a transverse engine only according to Audi.
V6 TFSI engine's are for longitudinal use.
btw, i don't see a point for a A8 2.0TFSI who will buy a A8 with a 4 pot. :vhmmm:

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

btw, i don't see a point for a A8 2.0TFSI who will buy a A8 with a 4 pot. :vhmmm:

Same here... But, latest reports are saying that we are going to see one.

Ist there possibility that Audi will release some 2.2l or 2.3l version of the 2.0 T.

[The Pretender]

Same here... But, latest reports are saying that we are going to see one.

Ist there possibility that Audi will release some 2.2l or 2.3l version of the 2.0 T.
I believe 2189cc is max possible for the R4 engine, don't think we will see a bigger R4 engine though.

Jarod.

[AndyBG]

I believe 2189cc is max possible for the R4 engine, don't think we will see a bigger R4 engine though.

Jarod.

But, no reports about that possibility, yet...?

[itisme]

long time nothing heard of next gen A8, but:

http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166727_609f3bfa87.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166717_f8e3ba8bb0.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166716_37e799cf6a.jpg
the back is too high, the old chassis to small
for Autobild it is clear, that it will have a Coupé-ish silhouette
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166718_f76c08fa6f.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166719_0d0cefee40.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166720_c7ff40f72a.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166721_5940c8bc9c.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166722_5147bc1a1f.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166723_583677e65c.jpg
camera is able to see signs and tell the driver
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166724_e6c3cd49b8.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166740_fd0738796a.jpg
8 gears automatic plus start stop automatic
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166725_8138ea7c73.jpg
"if you leave the car make sure to cover instruments, steering wheel and gear pannel" :D...
http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/65166726_3f2691e83a.jpg

[Kliko]

man that stearingwheel is huge:D:D

[AndyBG]

A8, my favourite Audi! It looks very promising!

[AndyBG]

Not before Geneva '10...? Is this possible...?

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/audi-auf-dem-genfer-auto-salon-2010-audi-zeigt-neuen-a8-in-genf-1268942.html

[roadrunner]

Not before Geneva '10...? Is this possible...?

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/audi-auf-dem-genfer-auto-salon-2010-audi-zeigt-neuen-a8-in-genf-1268942.html

There are contradicting reports at the moment. One thing is for sure (according to Robert Stadler interview) - it won't be shown at an Autoshow -> exclusive event to have all the attention on the new D4 A8.

My guess is that Nov. 09 is more probable than March 10

[roadrunner]

Now i'm completely confused: in a german webarticle today, a german Audi spokesman was cited: " our new A8 comes next year".

But there is still the possibility of 2099 introduction and 2010 market launch. :vhmmm:

[AndyBG]

That is late, having in mind that current A8 was launched in nov' '02... Is it possible that it stands its place so well against S-class and 7 series, both launched much later than Audi...

[combo3010]

will the V8 4.0 TT be available upon introduction of the D4 A8?

wondering what's the DSG torque limit for the V8 TT A8 gonna be...

would suck if it's still 550nm...

[Brakedust]

The new A8 appears as if it is delayed. I wonder if this has anything to do with the development of the 4.0 litre TFSI V8 Audi is working on?

[itisme]

may be every car companie is waiting for a break-through in battery technologie... that's why just facelifts are coming... every new technologie is first seen in the high end sedans... perhaps we are not that far off and we will see something no one expected in 2010 A8...

another reason (the more important one) we see no new A8 that soon is, that the current one sells well

[AndyBG]

...
another reason (the more important one) we see no new A8 that soon is, that the current one sells well

And that is very interesting, since its counterparts are much, much ''younger''...

[tailpipe]

may be every car companie is waiting for a break-through in battery technologie... that's why just facelifts are coming... every new technologie is first seen in the high end sedans... perhaps we are not that far off and we will see something no one expected in 2010 A8...

another reason (the more important one) we see no new A8 that soon is, that the current one sells well

The TESLA Roadster is an all-electric car available today which has Lithium-Ion batteries. It goes well. Unfortunately, it only goes around 250 miles on a charge and costs £94,000. It also needs 17 hours to re-charge.

So, yes, we do need a breakthrough in battery technology - principally in Lithium-Ion batteries, which have a longer life and shorter recharge times than existing alternatives. But batteries alone are not going to be the future of cars. The fuel cell is, however, the engine technology of the future. As most people on this site will know, fuel cells generate electricity to power electric motors. With electric motors as the primary power source storage becomes more important.

Fuel cell technology isn't the technological bottleneck. They work well and have been around almost as long as the internal combustion engine. The problem is how do we generate and store the hydrogen required to power cars with fuel cells?

The answer is we need a comprehensive hydrogen infrastructure. This can be achieved either through nuclear power or through solar energy capture. Both technologies require seriously expensive investment. So I'm not sure we can expect anything to replace our petrol-driven cars for at least one more model generation.

Going back on topic, I believe that the A8 has been delayed not for technical reasons but because we are in a recession. The sales of large gas guzzling executive cars aren't exactly booming. So why not wait until things get better?

The only technical delay I can think of, if there is one, would be to the engine line-up. I expect Audi will be working on the 3.0-litre TFSi unit from the S4 to make it well suited to the A8.

Anyway, Audi is looking pretty strong.

[Audiphile]

Next Audi A8 Pushed Back, Plus Audi Plans for 2010 and Beyond - Car News

Audi’s future includes A1, A5 and A7 Sportbacks, Q3, a new A2, and more.
BY JENS MEINERS , ILLUSTRATION BY DELUSI AND YOSHI G.
June 2009


In a bid to better enable itself to overtake Mercedes-Benz and BMW and become the leading international premium brand, Audi has adjusted the timing of a number of future products, including the next generation of its A8 flagship. The 2010 A8 (http://www.rs6.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/vw_audi_central/2010_audi_a8_2011_audi_s8_car_news) is being pushed back from a September debut at the Frankfurt auto show, where the launch was originally intended to take place. The car instead will be unveiled some time after December’s Los Angeles auto show; we’ve heard it may happen at an exclusive event in Florida. The Detroit auto show will be the first to host the new A8.
Launching the new A8 away from an auto show will make sure the new car isn't buried among a flurry of international unveilings. Audi wants to play up the design theme, and the aluminum-structured A8 will be another large step forward for the brand, particularly inside the cabin. It will boast, for example, the next-generation MMI system, which will then trickle down to other models.
Audi also doesn't want to kill sales of the current model. The A8 is still selling well in several markets, and a Frankfurt launch might bring orders to a halt before the new A8 arrives in dealerships in the spring of 2010. The A8 is one of the most significant cars for the brand; in Europe and China, the current model is a legitimate alternative to the S-class and the 7-series. Positioned as the sportiest luxury sedan, it was quickly seen as a welcome alternative to former BMW customers alienated by that brand’s polarizing styling and iDrive system.
With the next model, Audi wants to catch up in the U.S. and the rest of the world, too. Expect an engine lineup similar to the current one, including a naturally aspirated W-12. According to one Audi insider, the main reason for delaying the A8 is the economy; it’s not a good time to be launching ultraluxury cars that you expect to sell in high volumes.
A5 Sportback and R8 Spyder Coming to Frankfurt
The A5 Sportback, details on which are due soon, won't have that last problem. A hatchback sedan based on the A5 coupe, it will be a niche vehicle and play up Audi's emphasis on design. Unlike its somewhat plump competitor, the upcoming BMW 5-series Gran Turismo, the A5 Sportback looks sleek, with low, sporty lines.
The A5 Sportback will be exhibited at the Frankfurt show, as will the R8 Spyder. With its fabric roof, the R8 Spyder takes a classic approach. The conversion looks so good that you might think the R8 was styled with a topless version in mind from the beginning, which wasn’t the case, according to chief exterior designer Stefan Sielaff.
Audi's other hatchback sedan, the A7 Sportback (http://www.rs6.com/news/auto_shows/2009_detroit_auto_show_naias_auto_shows/concept_debuts/audi_a7_sportback_concept_auto_shows), will be unveiled well into 2010. The Audi Sportback concept unveiled in Detroit this past January provides a clear idea of what the finished product will look like. Significantly longer than the A5 Sportback and more independent in style, it will be positioned between the A6 and the A8.
A1 and A2, and Away We Go . . .
Far bigger news for 2010 is the A1, a compact, three-door hatchback that shares many components with the new Volkswagen Polo. It is positioned well below the A3, which itself is due to be replaced in 2011. That year will also see the launch of a five-door A1, and the Q3—which recently was confirmed for production (http://www.rs6.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/vw_audi_central/2012_audi_q3_confirmed_car_news)—a crossover based on the Golf/A3 platform and built by VW's subsidiary SEAT in Spain. The A6 is due to be replaced at that time, as well.
So Audi has a lot on its plate until 2011. What's next? Audi is considering its own variation of the tiny Volkswagen Up (http://www.rs6.com/news/auto_shows/2007_frankfurt_iaa_auto_show_auto_shows/concept_debuts__1/volkswagen_up_concept_auto_shows), and one possibility on that platform is an all-electric version. Another possibility is a version powered by a conventional combustion engine that could achieve well over 110 mpg in the European cycle.
Another project currently being explored is a second-generation A2. The fully aluminum A2—sold in Europe from 1999 to 2005—was a commercial failure despite sales of around 175,000 units, but it is nevertheless highly regarded as a technological breakthrough for small cars. It flopped because it was expensive and because it wasn’t particularly sporty; for most of its life, the top two engines made a measly 75 hp. Audi added more powerful engines late in the A2’s life, but they weren’t enough to spur success and the car was axed.
Now the A2 may come back. There are currently three styling proposals, but whichever is chosen, the car would again be a technological showcase when (and if) it launches in 2013 or 2014. It would, however, be developed with production costs in mind, and therefore a full aluminum body is unlikely. Audi could instead opt to use an aluminum/steel hybrid body, as it does with the current TT.
In our talks with Audi engineers and designers, their mood is noticeably upbeat despite the current economic crisis. Styling and R&D are working in harmony, and our feeling is that if Audi can continue to produce the types of vehicles we’ve seen recently, BMW and Mercedes will have a lot to worry about—and soon.

[Audiphile]

That is late, having in mind that current A8 was launched in nov' '02... Is it possible that it stands its place so well against S-class and 7 series, both launched much later than Audi...


You are quite right:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0908_luxury_sedan_comparison/index.html

[tailpipe]

I am very much hoping that Audi's next generation MMI system will have touch screen controls. These work very well on the Lexus IS and LS models, but also in the new Golf. Based on my own experience of them, they are much faster, easier and safer to use than twiddling the existing knobs and controls.

[RXBG]

i suspect that the next gen MMI will indeed be touch screen AND that the dashboard may be full or partial LCD- in other words, no actual speedometer and tach dials/needles, but a full on computer screen that will project a virtual cluster display. the updated top of the line range rover has this.

[tailpipe]

Great news RXBG. The new MMI can't come soon enough IMHO.

I wonder if it'll come in the new A5 Sportback? Probably not as it is bound to utilize the existing cockpit components of the A5 coupe.

[roadrunner]

My wishlist for the new MMI in the A8 (and soon to follow in the A6 C7...)

Webbased navigation / route planning on your computer
Transfer via GSM / USB into your MMI unit (as a sidenote: BMW has it already)
Route recording / exporting = would have come handy after my Alpine adventure

Some iPhone usability features (whipe, multitouch)
Album cover flow

Bigger 16:9 screen with higher resolution

Background "navigation" without starting it = you leave your home, take your daily route to the office, MMI senses it and checks for possible traffic / detours (BMW working on it)

Head up display, but that's not really MMI funcionality, except for the Navigation directions beamed into your windshild

WLAN / USB Music sync of home audio collection with Audi audio collection

[The Pretender]

http://www.audiblog.nl/wp-content/next-gen-s8.jpg

[Benman]

http://www.audiblog.nl/wp-content/next-gen-s8.jpg

Maybe a little too agressive for the luxury flagship, but definately the direction they should go. Only my $.01. ;)

Ben

[The Pretender]

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5350/37628174.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7452/82246786.jpg

Source: Autovisie

[itisme]

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7452/82246786.jpg

Source: Autovisie

extremely cool :dig:

love that one :D.. if it looks something near to these two teasers this is THE thing to drive in music videos and elsewhere

[RXBG]

this thing is going to BE THE SH*T.

[JavierNuvolari]

extremely cool :dig:

love that one :D.. if it looks something near to these two teasers this is THE thing to drive in music videos and elsewhere

Yeah....that's not precisely the place where I would personelly like to this car.

Cheers.

[Ruergard]

WOW!

Bring it on! :dig:

[itisme]

Yeah....that's not precisely the place where I would personelly like to this car.

Cheers.

you already find the s8 there...

i just wanted to say, that this thing is not just elegant.. it can be way more... its all up to color and wheels.. which is great!

[chewym]

Finally Audi shows something of the new A8.

[Benman]

Yeah....that's not precisely the place where I would personelly like to this car.

Cheers.

Haha... no doubt!

[combo3010]

hopfully this thing debutes this year so we can get our hands on one early next year!

[Damienr8]

this thing is going to BE THE SH*T.

Hell YES IT IS!!!!!!!

[HKS786]

Here's a teaser of the rear.

[The Pretender]

Here's a teaser of the rear.
No it's not, just a TT-S you can reed the logo.

[HKS786]

No it's not, just a TT-S you can reed the logo.

Damn Autocar lol. I knew it looked like a TT-S.

[absent]

I'm crossing my fingers that the S8 will be released not too far after A8 and that it will have that 600+ hp as some predict.
I'm just itching to get my hands on one......

[tailpipe]

It looks as if Audi is not launching the new A8 with the 4.0-litre TFSI engine. The new engine won't be ready until next year. Bit disappointing.

[The Pretender]

It looks as if Audi is not launching the new A8 with the 4.0-litre TFSI engine. The new engine won't be ready until next year. Bit disappointing.
Audi is not launching the A8 this year, it's debut is planned @ Geneva 2010.
And by june 2010 it will be on the market.

[tailpipe]

Audi is not launching the A8 this year, it's debut is planned @ Geneva 2010.
And by june 2010 it will be on the market.

I knew it had been pulled from Frankfurt, but had seen that it would arrive in November, possibly at LA show. Has this now been changed too?

[The Pretender]

I knew it had been pulled from Frankfurt, but had seen that it would arrive in November, possibly at LA show. Has this now been changed too?
My info allway's said 2010 never 2009.

[tailpipe]

My info allway's said 2010 never 2009.

Then you may be mistaken. The last I heard was that new A8 would be revealed this year.

[Audiphile]

I do not think that it will be any auto show. Audi hinted at a special event to release the A8. So, I am not sure it will be at an auto show.

[Audiphile]

The redesign will make the A8 "the sportiest luxury sedan in its class," said Rupert Stadler, chairman of the board of management of Audi AG, on Wednesday in a speech to the 120th annual meeting of Audi AG. He added: "[It will] set new standards with regard to interiors. And we will unveil it to the world in a remarkable fashion in late November.

So look for November to be the date. Late November is the LA Auto Show.

[The Pretender]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8front3.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8rear.500.jpg

[chewym]

I think the final version should look quite similar.

[Audiphile]

:dig: SWEET!

I hope it looks similar. I am sure Audi will change the front grille and the rear to be more conventional, but if they keep the fundamental design in tact as in the above pictures, the A8 will knock the new XJ to the curb taking the fugly 7-Series and overbloated S-Class with it.

[Leadfoot]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8front3.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8rear.500.jpg

When you look at the picture of the A8 covered with the cloth you can easily make out the shape of the grill and it ain't the same as this. So in my opinion there may well be some similarities between the two designs, what you see here isn't the finished article.

[The Pretender]

Rumour is that there will be a A8 concept be shown on the IAA 2009 and the Production model @ Geneva 2010.

[RXBG]

that pic is too good to be true.

[The Pretender]

The grill will not look like that.

[RXBG]

The grill will not look like that.

actually. it looks like it will have some tiny diagonals on top from the other covered pic i saw.

[JavierNuvolari]

So nice....it's hard to believe it will actually look like that at the premiere.

What's with the aluminum alike mirrors? those are usually found on S/RS models, debadged S8 perhaps?


Saludos.

[The Pretender]

They are just silver.

[tailpipe]

Wow!! What a stunning car. I can't wait to read the full details about what tech it includes. Important question: what would you rather own, this or a Porsche Panamera?

[The RS6]

This, any day, any time...the Panamera looks awful, I'd be ashamed to be seen in one of those...99% of people wouldn't know it's a porsche and would just think "look at that silly looking car"...

[tailpipe]

This, any day, any time...the Panamera looks awful, I'd be ashamed to be seen in one of those...99% of people wouldn't know it's a porsche and would just think "look at that silly looking car"...

You're completely right. The A8 may lack the Panamera's outright pace and performance, but it will still be very quick, very frugal and loaded with superior tech. It should also cost a lot less too. Add the fifth seat and the arguments for the A8 seemed stacked in its favour. It also looks very good to me. In fact, the new A8 is likely to prove why VW needed to buy Porsche rather than other way round.

[The Pretender]

The A8 may lack the Panamera's outright pace and performance........
I will not count on that, the new A8/S8 will performing better IMHO.
The Basic A8 will have the new 3.0TFSI supercharged engine and the top of the line S8 will have the RS6 5.0TFSI V10 Biturbo engine.
And that with all the new goodies like the new floor plan, DSG and sport diff.

[The RS6]

Floor plan? Huh?

[EKaru]

Then only a couple hour later while in New Mexico We came upon a black car which no emblems but recognizable tails.... and we instantly said NEW a6 OMG and it appears it is a european spec facelift A6. not sure what engine it was testing but it was obviously using radar based cruise control... our Valentine 1 was giving all kinds of weird very strong signals... which went away after we left the A6 alone.

Here are the pics... (it was evening time so it was tough to shoot perfect quality)

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5023.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5037.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5040.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5052.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5056.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5074.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5078.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5082.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5087.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5088.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5131.jpg

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5225.jpg

[Ti-Mike]

there will be a S8 with a V8 twin Turbo and or V10 NO Turbo and confirmed a RS8

[Ti-Mike]

downside.....they have decided NOT to present the new A8 at the IAA show in frankfurt, as the will launch the A7 which is logical.......but bad from me as I want one, I would like to replace my S8

[The Pretender]

Just a big A4, so boring.
And where is the new Design they talk about. ???

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_1.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_2.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_3.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_4.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_5.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_6.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/78/a8_7.jpg

[chewym]

http://akadeno.com/newa6/IMG_5023.jpg


Looks like the new A8. I like the flipped over Mitsubishi grill.

[Audiphile]

If this is the new A8, then Audi hasn't moved the design forward. The current design has better symmetry and execution than the above. It looks like they just changed the front and rear and plastered it onto the current model. Very conflicted with the above look. I just don't think it will stand out enough. It looks too bulky to be sporty.

[Ti-Mike]

I will test drive the new S600L in two weeks .......i have configurated the car and in the end ......only 10% more then me actual S8 and I can have what I always wanted....the comfortable car with a little sportive look as I have chosen the AMG Package.....Audi never could get me the W12 with a Sline Package, that's why I took the S8....great car...but I needed a cruise Mobile

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

some design elements match the final car, some dont. The A8 was always the lightest car in its class, this will be continued and improved. Performance wise you can shift all worries aside, very much at one level with the competition. I always liked the A8 most, design wise and overall- six model years long. I guess this will stay this way... :hihi:

You have already seen the suspension in action, the Panamera carries the Audi developed suspension. And it works "pretty good". :thumb:

The engine department is interesting and will show some familiar engines as well as new technologies...

Qisha

[Audiphile]

If one looks at the official picture of the D4 A8 that is under the car cover, you will notice that the LED lights run more veritical towards the back than the LEDS in the above pictures which seem more horizontal. So, this might not be the real thing yet?

[crespo]

those pics don't look right, specifically the lights. also, Audi's already moved away from those BIG mirrors that were on the Q7, A5, etc., which is what we see here.

[ZeroCool]

i'm pretty sure that the new A8 will look like the pictures from the last page - with the new style of the SFG ... and i also think that the steering wheel will have this new "look" ;)

[353S]

Still CGI's at this point... last batch are from Huckfeldt

[itisme]

i'm pretty sure that the new A8 will look like the pictures from the last page - with the new style of the SFG ... and i also think that the steering wheel will have this new "look" ;)

agree with that... I personally think, that the A7 Concept pretty much showed where Audi is going with their design with the A8....

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/1/large/audi-a7-sportback-concept-at-2009-detroit-auto-show_11.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/1/large/audi-a7-sportback-concept-at-2009-detroit-auto-show_6.jpg

I think these pics posted by pretender are close to the final A8

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8front3.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2009/0806/a8rear.500.jpg

[Mockenrue]

I know some of these have already been posted, but I think one or two are new:

http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/1.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/2.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/3.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/4.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/5.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/6.jpg
http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%20august%202009/Audi%20A8/7.jpg

http://www.voom.ro/resources/10-16%2...udi%20A8/7.jpg

[itisme]

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/9/large/6032523.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/9/large/6299909.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/9/large/36616.jpg

more....

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109092221939/2011-audi-a8-prototype-already-shedding-some-camouflage/photos#2

[Toto89]

Front wheels are further back again, not like MLP. Don't understand why.

[Mockenrue]

Evidently the car will be unveiled at the Detroit show in January.

[tailpipe]

I guess one of the reasons for the A8's protracted delay is the need to reconsider the engine line-up. Big executive cars are not exactly flying out of dealerships right now. Lexus, even with its hybrid drivetrain, is having trouble selling cars. Maybe this is because buyers are starting to realise that hybrids are more hype than hi-perfromance economy. Frugal conventional engines can even beat hybrids on emissions. So what should Audi be putting in its new A8?

Well, it is bound to get the 3.0 litre diesel and the S4's V6 for a start. But will it also get a 2.0 litre 4-cylinder engine? And what about the existing V8 FSI? Is a new 4.0 litre TFSI viable as a replacement? Whatever was decided during the initial development phase has been comprehensively challenged by the recent economic panic.

It is going to be interesting to see what Audi does. In this sense, the engine line-up is a chance for it to really show what it can do . If the A8 is going to position itself as a true alternative to the Benz S-Class or Lexus LS, then it has to offer radical cutting edge tech.

[The RS6]

In this sense, the engine line-up is a chance for it to really show what it can do .

Audi hasn't been doing much in the engine compartment for the last few years...

Since the RS4's 4.2 we haven't actually seen anything spectacular...

"We" need a 3.0TTDI with about 200Hp
3.0TTDI with about 300Hp
4.2TDI updated do 350Hp
3.0T needs to be better
4.0TurboFSI needs to be finished and introduced

...

[Mockenrue]

"We" need a 3.0TTDI with about 200Hp


Did you mean 2.0TTDI? I was under the impression that this is being developed.

[tailpipe]

Did you mean 2.0TTDI? I was under the impression that this is being developed.

Yes. And, it's ready to go. Shame VW didn't put it in the recently released Golf GTD.

The RS6, you're right. Audi's school report should definitely read: must try harder with its engines. Given the considerable resources Audi has at its disposal in the engine department (many of whom were poached from BMW), we should start to see some interesting developments.

Super-powerful yet efficient V6s should be at the top of the list, followed by a similar V8. I think work is being done on 3-cylinder engines as well.

[RXBG]

Audi hasn't been doing much in the engine compartment for the last few years...

Since the RS4's 4.2 we haven't actually seen anything spectacular...

"We" need a 3.0TTDI with about 200Hp
3.0TTDI with about 300Hp
4.2TDI updated do 350Hp
3.0T needs to be better
4.0TurboFSI needs to be finished and introduced

...

i am in the usa- gas wise i have the most opinions-

the 3.0T needs either:

a- make more hp (350) and keep the same mpgs

b- makes less hp (315) and increase mpgs to 23/33

the current regular 4.2 V8 has to go- it is a gas guzzling, heavy, and relatively low torque/hp engine. the replacement could weigh the same and make the same mpgs- but would need to make at least 400 hp and 380 of torque to justify itself.

[The RS6]

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/A8MKIII2.JPG
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/A8MKIII1.JPG

[Audiphile]

Looks like a big A4. Let's hope not. Lacks distinction compared to the current one.

[The Pretender]

Like i said, boring.

[Mockenrue]

http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/47/1355/8299339/a63-4833.jpg
http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/47/1355/8299339/a62-30499.jpg
http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/47/1355/8299339/a61-5016.jpg

[Damienr8]

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/A8MKIII2.JPG
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/A8MKIII1.JPG

Hope to god it doesn't look like these renderings....

[Kliko]

I hope so too, that is just not the way it should look!! That is like the Pretender said, just boring boring boring....

come ooon Audi, this has to be the best car in the model line-up. The pictures above are nothing more than a big A4 :(:(

[andreadebi]

video spy A8

http://dailymotion.virgilio.it/video/xaqfr9_audi-a8-2010-worldscoop_auto

[andreadebi]

http://spyshots.nl/SpyVideo/Eerste_spyvideo_nieuwe_Audi_A8

[andreadebi]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/243523/audi_a8_spied.html

[chewym]

i am in the usa- gas wise i have the most opinions-

the 3.0T needs either:

a- make more hp (350) and keep the same mpgs

b- makes less hp (315) and increase mpgs to 23/33

the current regular 4.2 V8 has to go- it is a gas guzzling, heavy, and relatively low torque/hp engine. the replacement could weigh the same and make the same mpgs- but would need to make at least 400 hp and 380 of torque to justify itself.

How do you expect it to get 23/33 mpg, a diesel won't get those numbers while making 315 horsepower.

The figures for the S4 are amazing EPA wise. 4,000 pounds and AWD and 18/27, not going to beat that with a gas engine. The A8 would get fairly similar figures from the EPA, especially with the 8 speed auto. But I don't think the US A8 will come with the 3.0T.

The 4.2 isn't heavy a heavy engine and the A8 gets better fuel economy than S class or 7 series, especially when you compare AWD versions. It is behind on horsepower and torque, but that's a given. A FI V8 will weigh more than the current 4.2 but will produce more horsepower.

Another A8 gallery, new wheels?

http://www.secretnewcars.com/SpyShots/First_time_near_the_Ring:_Audi_A8?fotoid=1

[andreadebi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUOzdxwBRec

[AndyBG]

2000 Audi A8 3.3 TDI - 224 ps
2011 Audi A8 2.0 TDI - 204 hp

Nice performance jump... :)

[The Pretender]

2000 Audi A8 3.3 TDI - 224 ps
2011 Audi A8 2.0 TDI - 204 hp

Nice performance jump... :)

The 2.0TDI is een Bi-turbo.

[PeterJohn]

The broad sholderline, and the way the roof flows into the trunk, remind me of Volvo. My money is on a tasteful evolution of the current car. A too radical design change will make the outgoing model look extra old. Since this is a important lease market car, Audi will want to protect the resale value of the old model.

As with any Audi really.

[RXBG]

Ronin 2.........

[chewym]

500 horsepower W12 is also mentioned in this article, first time hearing about that option

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/27/spy-shots-2011-audi-a8-coming-with-four-cylinder-turbodiesel-n/

And like expected the 3.0T is making more than 333 horsepower

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/28/report-evidence-mounting-that-2010-audi-s4-is-underrated/

[The Pretender]

Ronin 2.........
"Ronin" was a S8.

[RXBG]

i always thought the 3.0T made more like 350 hp. this justifies the current mpgs that everyone is complaining about. still much better than the B7 S4 gas guzzler. i can only imagine what a 4.0T would be capable of- 450 hp and as much in torque.

[chewym]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUOzdxwBRec

Sounds good.

[Mockenrue]

These pictures have been posted on another forum. The poster claims they are from the new A8. What do we think?

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8748&d=1256924160

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8749&d=1256924160

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8750&d=1256924160

[RXBG]

that is the real thing. wow. bada$$.

6K RPM---- that's a charged engine baby.

[Damienr8]

These pictures have been posted on another forum. The poster claims they are from the new A8. What do we think?

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8748&d=1256924160

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8749&d=1256924160

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8750&d=1256924160

interesting...

[crespo]

that is the real thing. wow. bada$$.

6K RPM---- that's a charged engine baby.
or a diesel?

[absent]

I am chewing on my nails,that's how impatiently I am waiting for that car.
I only hope that Audi does not screw with the performance and offer a monster package ,blowing off all competition (including Panamera).

[andreadebi]

I am chewing on my nails,that's how impatiently I am waiting for that car.
I only hope that Audi does not screw with the performance and offer a monster package ,blowing off all competition (including Panamera).

I guess new s8 will never outperform panamera turbo,for strategic-marketing reason in the group

[The Pretender]

I guess new s8 will never outperform panamera turbo,for strategic-marketing reason in the group
I don't see why, they are completely different cars, Sedan vs Hatchback.
According to info the new S8 will get a 4.0 V8 Bi-TFSI with overhead (between V) turbo's producing 550 hp.
The A8 W12 will get a new ± 6.3 liter 500 hp W12 FSI, it is not certain if it will be "long wheel base only" that get the W12.

[andreadebi]

I don't see why, they are completely different cars, Sedan vs Hatchback.
According to info the new S8 will get a 4.0 V8 Bi-TFSI with overhead (between V) turbo's producing 550 hp.
The A8 W12 will get a new ± 6.3 liter 500 hp W12 FSI, it is not certain if it will be "long wheel base only" that get the W12.

panamera it's a competitor of audi a8,bmw 7 and mb S.
If s8 comes with 550hp, surely we will see a powerkit for panamera turbo and even a panamera turbo S version IMHO

[AndyBG]

Panamera S will be released, that is for sure...

What's the future of the 4.2 and 5.0 T, are these engines going to find its place in new A8 line up...?

[The Pretender]

2 years back the info was that the next Gen S8 would get the RS6 5.0T V10 engine.
The latest info say the V10's will not come back in next gen's A6 and A8, replaced by forced induction V8.

[andreadebi]

Panamera S will be released, that is for sure...

What's the future of the 4.2 and 5.0 T, are these engines going to find its place in new A8 line up...?

yes I know...but I wrote Turbo S...

[tvrfan]

if that interieur shots are real, then i will be very dissapointed. it looks the same like A4 and A5. BIG FAIL!

[Leadfoot]

2 years back the info was that the next Gen S8 would get the RS6 5.0T V10 engine.
The latest info say the V10's will not come back in next gen's A6 and A8, replaced by forced induction V8.

Remember the magic word Jarod.

"DOWNSIZING" ;)

[absent]

I don't see why, they are completely different cars, Sedan vs Hatchback.
According to info the new S8 will get a 4.0 V8 Bi-TFSI with overhead (between V) turbo's producing 550 hp.
The A8 W12 will get a new ± 6.3 liter 500 hp W12 FSI, it is not certain if it will be "long wheel base only" that get the W12.

It does not matter if one is hatch and the rest are notchbacks.
Panamera will be on the same cross shopping list with A/S8,S-Class,QP,etc.
At least in my case....

[The Pretender]

It does not matter if one is hatch and the rest are notchbacks.
Panamera will be on the same cross shopping list with A/S8,S-Class,QP,etc.
At least in my case....

More likely the A8 based Audi A7/S7.

[absent]

More likely the A8 based Audi A7/S7.I'm open,really want an Audi this time.....

[RXBG]

guys- panamera seats four.

give me an S8 over a panamera S anyday. any year. any century.

i hope deniro makes a ronin 2. i hear he really does have a thing for audis

[andreadebi]

are for facelifted a4 b8 or new a8 the interior pics?

http://killwithfire.blogspot.com/2009/11/mysterious-audi-interior.html

[Mockenrue]

The general feeling on some other forums is that this is an updated A4 interior with a revised instrument display.

[andreadebi]

The general feeling on some other forums is that this is an updated A4 interior with a revised instrument display.

facelift is expected next year?

[Mockenrue]

A5 possibly I guess, but I wouldn't have expected an A4 facelift for quite some time yet.

[roadrunner]

We can rule out the interiour as an A8 - it will have a retractable Nav-display as a start (like the current model).

But i'm certain that the new display between the gauges will make its debut in the A8 :applause:


The A4 B8 is just 2 years on the market (09.2007) - another 2 before the facelift hits (09.2011). But sure looks very similar to the A5/A4 cockpit :vhmmm:

[roadrunner]

After a quick check - it is the A4 B8 cockpit

http://www.audi.de/etc/medialib/ngw/product/a4/a4/my_2010/multimedia.Par.0108.Image.jpg/aa4_d_11154_1_1024x768.jpg

[itisme]

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8749&d=1256924160


but this is different....

[roadrunner]

yes, what i ment was that the cockpit structure surrounding this new display is from a current B8 A4 and NOT from an D4 A8


And i think that we will see this new display in the new D4 A8 cockpit as well

[RXBG]

i expect the A8 to come with an all LED gauge cluster- like the 2010 Range Rover. with the nav being touch screen- like the RR.

[roadrunner]

i expect the A8 to come with an all LED gauge cluster- like the 2010 Range Rover. with the nav being touch screen- like the RR.

1st would be nice

2nd: 99% no - Audi sticks to a
*) revised (e.g touch sensitive pad: you can "write" letters / numbers on it + 6 hot keys=programalbe shortcuts)
*) more compact
*) MMI wheel unit

[Mockenrue]

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnPKiA_6tA&feature=player_embedded

[roadrunner]

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnPKiA_6tA&feature=player_embedded

Hot hot hot :applause:

[RXBG]

looks very modern. already can tell - much better executed than the new 7 series and E class.

[AndyBG]

looks very modern. already can tell - much better executed than the new 7 series and E class.

Hope you are right, can't tell much from this vid'...

[RXBG]

Hope you are right, can't tell much from this vid'...

on the contrary. it's basically wearing a thong and a bra. doesn't leave much to the imagination.

[The Pretender]

It will be a slick machine.

[kju]

hmmm actually cant see that much in this vid

[Audiphile]

Hot hot hot :applause:

Agreed! Hot! Looks aggressive and a nice soundtrack as well. Looks mean like it means business. I see a new A8 in my future.

[roadrunner]

Getting closer...

Audi A8 D4 Testmule in SoCal
source: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/12/spy-shots-more-la-based-pics-of-the-mystery-psychedelic-wrap-au/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/a700.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/a710.jpg

[The RS6]

What's wrong with the wheels in the first pic?!

[Mockenrue]

Just distortion caused by the fact that the wheels are spinning fast. I've seen this several times when photographing cars on track days.

[PeterJohn]

Just distortion caused by the fact that the wheels are spinning fast. I've seen this several times when photographing cars on track days.

It's because digital cameras construct the image from one side to the other, I heard. I'm guessing right to left, as the spokes appear to be pulled back.

[chewym]

Don't know why a lot of people think that it's the A7.

[JavierNuvolari]

The shape on that thing is menacing.
You know, I've never understand why the hot weather tests take place in places like death valley instead of the Atacama desert, anyone knows? Qisha perhaps?

Saludos.

[andreadebi]

A8 or A7?

spotted in germany

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8919/10112009950.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10112009950.jpg)
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7550/10112009951.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10112009951.jpg)

[RS5_Power]

A8, the roof doesn't fold down like the A7 sporback coupe. The new A8 will be very hot:)

[Audiphile]

I surprised that this late in the game, we have not seen any leaked photos yet considering next week is end of the month already. Cannot wait to see the official pics.

[roadrunner]

I surprised that this late in the game, we have not seen any leaked photos yet considering next week is end of the month already.

Either Audi has found the "leak" or the last "early" disclosures where not completely unintended


Cannot wait to see the official pics.

Me too :cheers:

[Erik]

World premiere of the new Audi A8


· New Audi A8 to be unveiled on the eve of Design Miami

· Exhibition with Tom Dixon and the Rubell Family Collection

Audi Pavilion

45th & Collins Avenue (east of the large parking lot)

Miami Beach



Opening times:

December 2 through 5, 2009

Open daily from 12 noon through 8 p.m.





Audi Lounge at Design Miami

Design Miami Temporary Structure

NE 39th Street and 1st Court

Miami Design District



Opening times:

December 2 through 5, 2009

Open daily from 11 a.m. through 7 p.m.

[andreadebi]

Website live presentation

http://tv.audi.de/video/8680#/08

[tailpipe]

I think I had underestimated just how important this car is for Audi. In a very real sense, it is the flagship model for Ingolstadt because it must compete with the top saloon / sedan models of the other premium marks, not just Mercedes-Benz and BMW but also Bentley, the new Rolls-Royce Ghost, and the Panamera, and be seen to be on a dynamic level that is comparable if not superior, even if it ultimately offers a less luxurious interior. I think Audi is up to the task, but the challenges it faces in launching this model, at this time, in this uncertain economic climate, should not be underestimated.

I believe we've seen a paradigm shift in the social status cars confer, certainly in the UK. Suddenly, profligate large limousines that are as much badges of office and affluence as pinnacles of engineering quality and efficiency say all the wrong things about you. We don't want people to mistake us bankers or to catch the eye of the taxman. Yet people still need larger cars that can transport four or five people long distance in comfort and safely. You need a car of the A8's proportions to do this. What you don't need is the badge snobbery that comes with the executive class. So perhaps the A8's longstanding discretion and subtleness has now come of age?

More than ever, Audi's promise of progress through technology must be delivered through the substance this car offers. The chassis structure, packaging, ergonomics and dynamics must all push the envelope. Of course, Audi's engineers know this better than I could ever imagine here, so I am excited to see what they have done.

It seems that the car's launch has been delayed, although the inscrutable strategies that lie behind the launch provide no clue as to whether this is actually true. Whatever, I think Audi has been very smart not to launch the car before now. The grey clouds of recession are starting to recede, creating an appetite for something new, yet in-tune with changing times and the more conservative attitudes of environmentally-aware customers. There is a renewed appetite for cars like this, so long as they give a nod to changing attitudes.

Of most interest to me, is the engine line-up. A 3.0 litre V6 diesel is a dead cert as is the S4's 3.0 litre V6 petrol TFSI. But will the A8 get 2.0 litre in-line fours, both diesel and petrol? I wouldn't bet against it. Rumour suggests that the W12 will reappear, but personally I am not convinced that this thirsty motor has continuing curb appeal. What of the 4.0 litre V8 diesel and much anticipated 4.0 litre V8 petrol TFSI? And, of course, hybrid drive will need to be part of the equation. Audi has become such a major force in automotive engine design (displacing BMW IMHO) that everyone is waiting to see what it does. It's like waiting to see what Scarlett Johansen is wearing this season before going clothes shopping.

Of course, styling has always been Audi's forte. The ugliness of the latest 7-Series should also help what I hope will be the continued use of strong, clean lines and uncluttered surfaces to give it the kind of understated elegance it needs. Thank God the wait is almost over.

[Mockenrue]

Excellent post tailpipe. :0: