Audi RS5 Coupe'.

[The Pretender]

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/123834_700.jpg

The 4,2 Litre V8-FSI get a power upgrade 470 hp are possible.
http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/123837_700.jpg



Jarod.

[Kliko61]

jarod,

do you know anything about the weight it will have? i read the CSL will come out in 2010. Will the RS5 compete with it, or is it a competitor with the m3 coupe?

[The Pretender]

I exspect that the RS5 will weigh something like the S5.
Have not heared that Audi is planning to make it a light weigh version to compete with the M3 CSL, that will be ± 100 Kg lighther then the normal M3 coupe.
BMW will use a lot of Carbon to do that.

Jarod.

[itisme]

what's with the Audi Sign in the grill... is it LED?

[artur777]

Jarod, will it be faster than M3 but slower than M3 CSL?

[rs4some]

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/123834_700.jpg

The 4,2 Litre V8-FSI get a power upgrade 470 hp are possible.
http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/123837_700.jpg



Jarod.

That picture above of the RS5 is it photoshopped?

god i hope so as id hate for them to put it out with those rs6 guards and not the rounder rs4 ones

[Mockenrue]

Yes, it is a photoshop - it emerged a week or so ago.

[youry]

the engine pic is just teh RS4 V8 FSI engine 420HP also.

[BojanRS4]

There are speculations that new RS5 will bi powered by V6 TFSI and personaly I think if they go to forced induction on this one, it;ll be 4.0 TFSI V8......Chasis is designet to adopt V10 and that would be great, but audi is trying to meet emissions regulations and lower them as much as posible:(......frankly, i'd rather see naturaly aspirated V8 with 450+hp

[The Pretender]

The S4 and RS4 will have the 3.0TFSI supercharged engine.
The present S5 will keep and future RS5 will be V8 engined.
The new 4.0TFSI supercharged engine will have ± 395 hp (Future S5, A6, A8, Q7) and ± 444 hp (RS5).

jarod.

[artur777]

Jarod,

as far as I know future Audi S5 will be equipped with 3.0SC with 333hp approximately. And only then it will be mated with S-Tronic.

Audi RS5 will be equipped with V8 4.2 with about 450-470hp.

S5 coupe 4,2 FSI 260 kW (354k) MT6/tipT quattro May 2008
RS 5 4.2 FSI 331 kW (450k) S-tronic7 quattro July 2010
Facelifted S5 coupe 3,0 TFSI 245 kW (333k) MT6/ S-tronic7 quattro September 2010

[Leadfoot]

The S4 and RS4 will have the 3.0TFSI supercharged engine.
The present S5 will keep and future RS5 will be V8 engined.
The new 4.0TFSI supercharged engine will have ± 395 hp (Future S5, A6, A8, Q7) and ± 444 hp (RS5).

jarod.

I agree with Jarod on this. I too think Audi will keep the seperation between the S4, RS4 and the S5, RS5. And I too reckon that they will both be running supercharged unit of differing sizes and cylinder numbers.

Though is they DO decide to give the S4 and S5 the same engine (3.0TFSi) then it would be logical to use the 4.0TFSi for both the RS4 and RS5. ;)

[artur777]

I could have agreed with you Leadfoot, but I can;t live with the fact that next RS4 will maintain 3.0SC!!
I am sure that next RS4 and RS5 will maintain very close / similar engines and it will be V8 SC or V8 NA in my opinion. RS is a special produsct unless just S.

I am pretty sure that after facelift S5 will maintain the same engine as S4.
Just my 0.02.

[Leadfoot]

I could have agreed with you Leadfoot, but I can;t live with the fact that next RS4 will maintain 3.0SC!!
I am sure that next RS4 and RS5 will maintain very close / similar engines and it will be V8 SC or V8 NA in my opinion. RS is a special produsct unless just S.


Though is they DO decide to give the S4 and S5 the same engine (3.0TFSi) then it would be logical to use the 4.0TFSi for both the RS4 and RS5. ;)

I didn't realise my mistake. I mean if not is.


Though if they DO decide to give the S4 and S5 the same engine (3.0TFSi) then it would be logical to use the 4.0TFSi for both the RS4 and RS5. ;) :D

[RXBG]

i disagree with jarod and leadfoot.

i predict the RS4 and RS5 will have the same engine. and that the S5 will eventually also run the S4 unit- maybe with a tiny bit more power...

they are too similar in price and size, they are different versions of each other, and the future will require manufacturers to get as most as possible from one engine in order to maximize its earning potential (witness AMG- their 6.3 V8 is in at least 5 car lines- from the lowly C to the mighty S!)

the idea that the 5 line is upmarket and begs more cylinders is silly. this coming from the people defending the fact that the RS4 will have a SC 6 cylinder engine (another silly thought). were the 5 line the size of the bmw 6 series that would make sense. but it isn't.

we will see who is wrong and who is right a year from now.

[artur777]

The opinion of RXBG is similar to mine!
So let's wait and see but everything is saying about similar V8 engines for RS4 and RS5

[The Pretender]

The A4/S4/RS4 and A5/S5/RS5 are not the same kind of car, even not engine wise.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

http://www.speedheads.de/auto/zukunft/bilder/audi_rs_5-5208-56.jpg

Jarod.

[audi_ch]

Just to informe you, there will be no m3 csl of the current m3 version.
Officialy dinied by bmw. But an m3 competition witch is not comparable to the csl version of the m3 e46.

There were aswell 2 types of m6 csl test versions (prototypes) with aproximatly 600 hp witch are already destroyed and therefore wont be any version of an m6 csl in the next years.

[Leadfoot]

So no M3 CSL to compete with the RS5, what a shame as such a battle would have been great to read and watch in future years.

Also the M6 CSL with the 600hp, why did they dump this project as well. Surely it would have meet with more success as people in the 100K+ bracket are less affected by the current economy than the rest of us are.

[audi_ch]

Reason why i dont know, but under this link you find an official statement of bmw that there will be no csl.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/wirtschaft_-_handel/hxcms_article_513979_13987.hbs

But there will be a competition m3 arriving with the facelift of the m3. But probably this will not be a light version of the m3

[chewym]

RS4/5 should have a FI V8. 450-500 hp range.

The S4 should make 350+. Everything else is up to Audi.

[QuattroFun]

I am so looking forward to getting the new RS5. But as it is, the RS5 risks becoming a very heavy car for its class just like the RS6. The S tronic and sport diff are fine, but add considerable weight to an already heavy car. And to put a heavy FI for the sake of CO2 would be plain stupid in very limited production enthusiast car. Audi can save the world with the mass produced A1s or A5s. The new SC 3.0 V6 is just as heavy as a NA V8 with no gain in power or torque...

[The Pretender]

The new 3.0TFSI engine weigh 189 kg compleet with SC.

Jarod.

[artur777]

So, I predict that is the answer to our argue about RS4 / RS5 engine setup and market positioning.

A must read!

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_4182.shtml

[The Pretender]

I had already my doubt's about a 3.0TFSI engine RS4/5.
Also a 333 hp S4 is a long way from a RS4 if it gets 470 hp 4.2 FSI V8.
Is some what the same like the S6 versus RS6 ± 140 hp diffrence.

Jarod.

[RXBG]

hilarious to think some people thought an RS4/5 would get a V6 engine.

and what that article also implies is that the V8 in the S5 will be replaced by the same engine as that in the upcoming S4 as part of those cost cutting measures. i am a bit surprised to hear that audi will stick to a modified B7 RS4 motor for the RS4/5. i don't believe that for a second. even if you make 50 more horses you can't make more torque. they'd have to remove 300 pounds from the S5 to make it compete with the likes of the upcoming CLK 63 AMG and definitely beat the current M3. i am still betting my marbles on audi putting either a high revving 4.5 liter NA engine, a version of the upcoming 4.0 TT engine, or a SC/TT version of the current RS4 engine, with the same engine choice also replacing the current base R8 engine. the issue is torque. 325 lb/ft just won't cut it for a car in the 3600 lb weight class that will come out nearly two years from now and that is expected to do battle and be produced for 3 years after that.

[QuattroFun]

even if you make 50 more horses you can't make more torque. they'd have to remove 300 pounds from the S5 to make it compete with the likes of the upcoming CLK 63 AMG and definitely beat the current M3. i am still betting my marbles on audi putting either a high revving 4.5 liter NA engine, a version of the upcoming 4.0 TT engine, or a SC/TT version of the current RS4 engine, with the same engine choice also replacing the current base R8 engine. the issue is torque. 325 lb/ft just won't cut it for a car in the 3600 lb weight class that will come out nearly two years from now and that is expected to do battle and be produced for 3 years after that.

Quite - but I reckon that things are probably not this simple in terms of what Audi is aiming for. I think Audi already has or will have to give up on beating the CLK 63 in terms of acceleration. Rather they will probably focus on dynamics and making the most of the revised quattro at a sligthly lower price than CLK 63, which is very expensive. I fully expect the RS5 to just pip the 2010 facelifited M3 in dry disciplines, but only just much the same way as the current M3 is only a marginal (non-quattro) improvement on the B7 RS4.

A bi-turbo 4.0L V8 would easily produce more bhp & torgue than a modded B7 NA 4.2 V8. However, the 3.0 SC V6 weighs 189kg and the bi-turbo 5.0 V10 278kg so most of the new platform's weight distribution gains would be lost - so I think that Audi will stay focused on repeating the winning recepy, indeed tweak the NA 4.2 V8 to 450PS (facelifted M3 440PS?), improve response and efficiency and mate it S-tronic only for acceleration and C02 gains.

[youry]

well these latest news are bad.... we all hoped for a turbo or a compressor but no further NA engine....

That will make me choose rather the future TT R(S) which will have same performance as RS4 V8 (B7) but with tunability... that's a huge difference...

we need to see the looks of the TT RS, it probably will never be as sexy as the RS5, but not sure it will be a bas choice...

[The Pretender]

I think the TTS is better looking then that overweight A5/S5 boat.
The TT RS will ± weigh 1400 Kg.

btw, a TVS SC will give you between 104 and 111 hp per litre, even in case of a Corvette ZR1.

Jarod.

[artur777]

I think that NA also has some pluses.
I think one of the reasons for NA is heat, because SC and TT need too much cooling.
and NA with direct injection is not that low on torque as it may seem - so it will be very nice IMHO

[The Pretender]

http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/7/30/9080730.012/9080730.012.1L1.jpg

Jarod.