MTM Stage 1 for RS6 V10 Twinturbo... [Archive] - RS6.com

Erik

June 17th, 2008, 14:21

I'm going to visit MTM on June 23:rd. Test driving the R8 Kompressor :R8kiss: among a few other cars. :hahahehe:

I wish there was an RS6 around, blessed by MTM... :rs6kiss:

And Monsieur Balsen, I'm in Paris / Reims July 2-7...

Michaël Barbé

June 17th, 2008, 14:26

656 hp / 785 Nm (limited)
300 km/h depending on tires

Frederic

Goddamn! 0-62mph (100kmh)?

A guess for stage 2 and 3?:jlol:

MB
:rs6kiss:

Leadfoot

June 17th, 2008, 14:38

656 hp / 785 Nm (limited)
300 km/h depending on tires

Frederic

Maybe my estimates of 800Nm for the gearbox wasn't that far off. ;)

Ellden

June 17th, 2008, 14:56

Goddamn! 0-62mph (100kmh)?

A guess for stage 2 and 3?:jlol:

MB
:rs6kiss:

Watch out Veyrons 'caus the RS6-dog(s) in the back are passing by @400kmh and might scare you in the process of doing so! :D

Michaël Barbé

June 17th, 2008, 15:27

Watch out Veyrons 'caus the RS6-dog(s) in the back are passing by @400kmh and might scare you in the process of doing so! :D

:hahahehe:
No, I think stage 1 is enough. Maybe stage 2 but with stage one you'll have a damn sick avant already!! What does MTM charge for doing the stage 1 Frederic?

MB
:rs6kiss:

Mr Balsen

June 17th, 2008, 15:39

Maybe my estimates of 800Nm for the gearbox wasn't that far off. ;)

Very painfully for me as a proud citizen of the beautifull country of France, I have to admit that you might be right...

Frederic

Michaël Barbé

June 17th, 2008, 16:05

Very painfully for me as a proud citizen of the beautifull country of France, I have to admit that you might be right...

Frederic

:lovl:
When will the price be official and when will the stage 1 hit the MTM-website?

MB
:rs6kiss:

Mr Balsen

June 17th, 2008, 16:26

Only for members of RS6.com forums:

Official price is 2512,61 euros (plus VAT). Labour is 2 hours.

Frederic

artur777

June 17th, 2008, 17:47

And what are the expected acceleration figures 0-100 & 0-200?

Frederic, thanks in advance!

Ruergard

June 17th, 2008, 18:39

I need acceleration numbers of with that amount of ponnies! :D Must be seriously quick.

Erik, then we're looking forward to a really nice writeup in the end of the month then. ;)

Leadfoot

June 17th, 2008, 19:41

Very painfully for me as a proud citizen of the beautifull country of France, I have to admit that you might be right...

Frederic

Go on Frederic, say it.

WHO'S YOUR DADDY.
:wo: :wo: :wo:

Michaël Barbé

June 17th, 2008, 20:12

Go on Frederic, say it.

WHO'S YOUR DADDY.
:wo: :wo: :wo:

:lovl: :lovl: :lovl:

Freddy man, what are the goddamn numbers! :dance: Nobody is willing to wait for them:dance: :hihi: :revs:

MB
:rs6kiss:

Mr Balsen

June 17th, 2008, 23:12

Go on Frederic, say it.

WHO'S YOUR DADDY.
:wo: :wo: :wo:

I can see how Leadfoot is celebrating the 193th birthday of the battle of Waterloo !

Frederic

LU-RS6

June 17th, 2008, 23:28

:jlol:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t260/Chillax666/forumtools/duty_calls.png

Audifan92

June 18th, 2008, 00:19

:jlol:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t260/Chillax666/forumtools/duty_calls.png

hahahahaha!
so funny.... yet so true!
lol
:lovl:

Michaël Barbé

June 18th, 2008, 06:08

I can see how Leadfoot is celebrating the 193th birthday of the battle of Waterloo !

Frederic

You being a funny guy Fred but why can't you just post the numbers?:nono: :vhmmm: :bigeyes: :lovl: If you don't have them, please tell us caus I can't wait:)

MB
:rs6kiss:

jonas21

June 18th, 2008, 09:53

656 hp / 785 Nm (limited)
300 km/h depending on tires

Frederic

Ok, 2 questions:

1) where to buy? :-) i guess this isnt limited to MTM france?

2) 300km/h...is that limited? sounds a bit slow compared to SKN/wetterauer.

Leadfoot

June 18th, 2008, 12:13

I can see how Leadfoot is celebrating the 193th birthday of the battle of Waterloo !

Frederic

Oh Frederic, I would never talk about such a crushing defeat. :nono:

P.S.

2 - 0 way to go Italy. :dig:

LU-RS6

June 18th, 2008, 12:23

Ok, 2 questions:

1) where to buy? :-) i guess this isnt limited to MTM france?

Wetstetten :0:

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 12:58

Oh Frederic, I would never talk about such a crushing defeat. :nono:

P.S.

2 - 0 way to go Italy. :dig:

Ouchhhh ! ! !

Soon, I should look for St Helene Island ....

Frederic

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 12:59

You being a funny guy Fred but why can't you just post the numbers?:nono: :vhmmm: :bigeyes: :lovl: If you don't have them, please tell us caus I can't wait:)

MB
:rs6kiss:

This is correct, I don't have them yet...

Frederic

jonas21

June 18th, 2008, 13:34

This is correct, I don't have them yet...

Frederic

Frederic, does MTM limit the car to 300km/h? (just like the RS4) or is it open-end?

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 14:36

There is no limitation from power point of view. Except the tires from factory are not homologated to 300 km/h. Don't forget the car is very heavy ! ! !

Frederic

Michaël Barbé

June 18th, 2008, 17:21

This is correct, I don't have them yet...

Frederic

Don't forget to post them when you do!:deal:

Thanks for the info you gave us till now!

MB
:rs6kiss:

Leadfoot

June 18th, 2008, 21:36

There is no limitation from power point of view. Except the tires from factory are not homologated to 300 km/h. Don't forget the car is very heavy ! ! !

Frederic

I explained this to Kerso, artur777 and others that the only thing limiting the RS6's top speed was the tyres and the reason for this is not so much the overall weight of the car but the extra weight it carrys over the front axle, unlike the Bentley which can run at over 200mph the RS6 doesn't have it's 50/50 weight balance. The tyres wear is excessive on the kind of compound needed to cope with the power and grip, it's currently a compromise, less top speed for more grip but Audi are currently working with the tyres companies for a solution.

Fingers crossed it would be too long.

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 21:45

Leadfoot,

You are completely correct. I heard exactly the same from MTM this afternoon.

Nobody should also forget that the Bugatti Veyron was delayed at least by one year solely because of the tires. Michelin could not produce a tire strong enough for the speed, the power and the weight. The tire will not last more than 15 minutes at full speed. This is why the gaz tank has a size for only 10 minutes at full power.

Frederic

Leadfoot

June 18th, 2008, 21:50

The tire will not last more than 15 minutes at full speed. This is why the gaz tank has a size for only 10 minutes at full power.

Frederic

Man, I didn't know that. Though in these economical times with fuel prices hitting the roof I doubt even Bugatti owners will be wanting to try for a top speed run to often. :hihi:

ben916

June 18th, 2008, 22:14

... This is why the gaz tank has a size for only 10 minutes at full power...

What if a Bugatti owner(s) didn't want to stop and engineered/created a way to refuel "mid-flight" like these fighter planes do? OK, that is REALLY out there.....

If I had a Veyron, refuelling costs would more than likely be the least of my concerns, sorry Leadie. More like what F@#$ing idiot is going to not yield and pull out in front of me... or some knucklehead drops his ladder at 65mph and doesn't stop to get it... Or how many ricers are going to try and "keep up" to get a Youtube minute...

Back to the Thread at hand...

Mr. Balsen, when is the MTM world tour of this Stage 1? In the US, the EPA allows something like 30 day pass/permit to "demonstrate" non-US/DOT/non-EPA cars. I bet with a grand opening of a MTM in Los Angeles (hint, hint, hint), you would have quite a following showing off some of MTM's finest hardware. The 2008/9 MTM Stage 1 RS6 Avant would be the star of the show...

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 22:39

Man, I didn't know that.

From a proud citizen of the beautifull country of France, you will learn everyday !!!

We can also talk food and wine...

Frederic

Mr Balsen

June 18th, 2008, 22:43

What if a Bugatti owner(s) didn't want to stop and engineered/created a way to refuel "mid-flight" like these fighter planes do? OK, that is REALLY out there.....

Well first you will have to find a road good enough to drive full power for 10 minutes, refuel mid flight, then drive again full power...

I can tell you this road does not exist...

Frederic

artur777

June 18th, 2008, 23:01

Leadfoot - I agree with you on tires issue
So it will be easier to tune RS5 and don't limit its maximum speed due to its better weight balance.

Anyway - what are your expectations of RS6 0-200 time with MTM Stage 1?

ben916

June 18th, 2008, 23:07

...I can tell you this road does not exist...

There is a rally in Nevada called The Silver State Classic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_State_Classic_Challenge) that has some closed public highway to "stretch those long legs"... (ignore the Tessarosa that blew a tire at 150+ and killed the driver and his wife....)

Perfect for a long legged RS6 V10TT Stage 1, and a donated Veyron...

Schmoocher would be all over it, video and GPS...

Leadfoot

June 19th, 2008, 15:26

From a proud citizen of the beautifull country of France, you will learn everyday !!!

We can also talk food and wine...

Frederic

Frederic, I would be wasted on you as I don't drink and I call a McDonald's gourmet eating. :blush:

Michaël Barbé

June 19th, 2008, 16:01

Frederic, I would be wasted on you as I don't drink and I call a McDonald's gourmet eating. :blush:

Can't have it all: Car- AND foodknowledge;)

MB
:rs6kiss:

Benman

June 19th, 2008, 21:15

I can see how Leadfoot is celebrating the 193th birthday of the battle of Waterloo !

Frederic

That is the best post I have seen so far this year! :thumb: :applause: :applause: :thumb:

Ben:addict:

Benman

June 19th, 2008, 21:18

There is a rally in Nevada called The Silver State Classic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_State_Classic_Challenge) that has some closed public highway to "stretch those long legs"... (ignore the Tessarosa that blew a tire at 150+ and killed the driver and his wife....)

Always wanted to enter that...

Ben:addict:

Marv

June 19th, 2008, 21:57

I was down as QSTuning today (MTM importer/fitter for UK) having a gearbox oil leak fixed on my C5 (that's RS6 C5 not Sinclair C5;)) and they were raving about this chip but sadly they didn't know how it will change 0-100, 0-200 times:doh:

They reckon UK price will be just under GBP2000 + VAT and are looking for a victim (sorry customer) to try it on.

And for an added bonus, driving home I met a brand new RS6 in Monza Silver coming the other way so it looks like UK deliveries have started. Must say it looked very imposing on the road but I'm not convinced silver is the best colour - I think a darker colur is better.

Shame it wasn't going in my direction - could have has some fun.

ben916

June 19th, 2008, 22:40

Always wanted to enter that...

Ben:addict:

At least your RS6 will not run out of fuel in 42 miles at full power like the Veyron...

Do you know if there are some safety modifications (roll cage, 4/5 point harness, wire-tying of lugs, etc) required?

Benman

June 19th, 2008, 23:12

At least your RS6 will not run out of fuel in 42 miles at full power like the Veyron...

Do you know if there are some safety modifications (roll cage, 4/5 point harness, wire-tying of lugs, etc) required?

None if you enter the "entry level" class. Extensive mods required for the "unlimited class". Basically, full race, non street legal. :cheers:

Ben:addict:

DuckWingDuck

June 20th, 2008, 00:23

really? They don't even require a real 5 point harness? Time to go race my rs6!!

ben916

June 20th, 2008, 00:27

Entry level is under 124 mph, helmet, fire extinguisher...
And if it is schmoocher, a visible and readable GPS, steady video camera...

Benman

June 20th, 2008, 00:29

really? They don't even require a real 5 point harness? Time to go race my rs6!!

Believe it or not, factory OEM seatbelts are still permitted in "Touring Division"...

http://www.sscc.us/docs/SSCC%20-%202008%20Rule%20Book.pdf

But I feel time is running out and it is only a matter of time before the regulations call for full scale "safety" features... i.e. more money.

A real shame as this is the closest thing we Americans have to The Ring, where you can just show up, pay fee, and do a lap. No signing, no special license, no gloves, no restrictions.

Ben

keo

June 20th, 2008, 04:24

Can't wait to see the result........:rs6kiss:

jonas21

June 21st, 2008, 13:21

http://www.mtm-online.de/de/index.php?nav=3&FZID=RS6C6426Q&Kitnum=m1rs6580656qx

its online!

However i still wonder why others claim 330km/h topspeed while MTM goes for 303...

jonas21

June 21st, 2008, 13:25

MTM Carbon Diffusor Audi RS6 V10

ohh?? pictures!!!

btw, MTM claims the S6 when delimited would do 290km/h. Now i wonder why a car with 221 HP more (and 100kg more weight) would only do 13km/h more....are these figures real?

steve

June 21st, 2008, 14:52

4145€ for a chip :lovl:

Ruergard

June 21st, 2008, 16:36

From what I've heard, it's because there's no tires that are OK for higher speeds at the moment.

Balsen, can you confirm this?

ZeroCool

June 21st, 2008, 17:06

@Ruergard...

You should read the whole thread...because there is an answer for your question ;)

Ruergard

June 21st, 2008, 17:28

@Ruergard...

You should read the whole thread...because there is an answer for your question ;)

Sometimes you forget, this time I did. Sorry!

But it seems like I was spot on though. :applause:

jonas21

June 21st, 2008, 17:52

well...if there are no tires that could go faster than 300 then they should tell their customers...theres no information on this on the MTM website (nor on the sites of the other tuners).
so if i get it right it means the car would do more than 300 but you would probably kill yourself using current tires?

Mr Balsen

June 21st, 2008, 18:56

well...if there are no tires that could go faster than 300 then they should tell their customers...theres no information on this on the MTM website

Are you really sure ? ? ?

From MTM Price List:
"Vmax max. 303 km/h (depends on tyre limitation)"

Frederic

jonas21

June 21st, 2008, 21:49

Michaël Barbé

June 22nd, 2008, 15:00

ok sorry, i've only looked at the german site. and from there its not really clear. the english text is much better. however why do they say 303km/h? how do they calculate? or is it a figure from the tire manufacturer?

That's what I like to know...

I think it's a bit wierd that audi said the rs6 did 320+ in testing results before production... what tires did they use?

MB
:rs6kiss:

ZeroCool

June 22nd, 2008, 15:35

maybe the same? but the tires are not ready for e.g. 40 minutes full speed ... so they said they had tested it - but it's not "production ready"

Leadfoot

June 22nd, 2008, 16:32

That's what I like to know...

I think it's a bit wierd that audi said the rs6 did 320+ in testing results before production... what tires did they use?

MB
:rs6kiss:

Actually it was more than 320km/h. ;) And achieving that speed during testing is a long way short of handing the same potential to a customer who might run the entire length of an Autobahn at a similar speed which would result in a possible blown tyre.

Brigadier

June 23rd, 2008, 09:49

Actually it was more than 320km/h. ;) And achieving that speed during testing is a long way short of handing the same potential to a customer who might run the entire length of an Autobahn at a similar speed which would result in a possible blown tyre.

I guess 300 is a max speed for ordinary RS6. I reached 295 km/h during my trip in Germany (with A/C) and I'm sure I could add 5 km/h more (up to 300) with switching off A/C. Unfortunately my wife has fixed only 291 km/h..

http://www.audi-club.ru/photo/data/3709/9572.jpg

jonas21

June 23rd, 2008, 11:05

I guess 300 is a max speed for ordinary RS6. I reached 295 km/h during my trip in Germany (with A/C) and I'm sure I could add 5 km/h more (up to 300) with switching off A/C. Unfortunately my wife has fixed only 291 km/h..

that sounds pretty much like the version thats limited to 280km/h by audi. +15km/h isnt that unusual given the fact that the 250km/h versions of most audis only stop near 270 if you check the meter.
And...its not even hitting 5k rpm....theres much power left... :0:

Michaël Barbé

June 25th, 2008, 20:21

Is the 0-100km/h number correct Fre Balsen?--> 3.9sec:bigeyes: :love2:

MB
:rs6kiss:

LU-RS6

June 25th, 2008, 22:00

How's the temperature coping at those speeds jonas?

Ruergard

June 25th, 2008, 22:21

Love the revs @ 290 km/h. Is it even taking a breath? :hihi:

The RS6

June 25th, 2008, 22:45

Love the revs @ 290 km/h. Is it even taking a breath? :hihi:

I love the average consumption...they are doing 290 (obviously went out for some crazy driving) and the average on the boardcomp is 16.1 liters per 100 km? :bigeyes:

EDIT: One more thing... where's the bloody key? :D

Ruergard

June 25th, 2008, 22:51

I love the average consumption...they are doing 290 (obviously went out for some crazy driving) and the average on the boardcomp is 16.1 liters per 100 km? :bigeyes:

EDIT: One more thing... where's the bloody key? :D

Woh, I saw that now. Can that be correct? :bigeyes:

emve

June 25th, 2008, 23:02

I love the average consumption...they are doing 290 (obviously went out for some crazy driving) and the average on the boardcomp is 16.1 liters per 100 km? :bigeyes:

Average from 1350km probably.

Mr Balsen

June 25th, 2008, 23:05

Brigadier,

Do you have a high def version of your picture ? ? ?

Frederic

jonas21

June 25th, 2008, 23:55

How's the temperature coping at those speeds jonas?

i never hit more than 110 degrees oiltemp....even with very hard autobahn "stop and go" between 180 and 280 due to normal daytime traffic.

LU-RS6

June 26th, 2008, 00:05

i never hit more than 110 degrees oiltemp....even with very hard autobahn "stop and go" between 180 and 280 due to normal daytime traffic.

Good to hear so. Old one has some problems there as you are probably aware.

jonas21

June 26th, 2008, 00:08

Good to hear so. Old one has some problems there as you are probably aware.

unfortunatly yes...30+degree outside and a bit racing and you'll end up in limp mode...been there done that...

just hope the new RS6 can cope with that as well as the chipped ones. but i guess audi has learned from the last rs6 as there is now alot better airflow to the engine.
but i guess i'll find out for sure once i pickup my car in week 29 (and probably drive directly from neckarsulm to weststetten...) :incar:

Brigadier

June 26th, 2008, 04:55

Love the revs @ 290 km/h. Is it even taking a breath? :hihi:

Yes! So much! But unfortunately the autobahn from Salzburg to Munich has not many unlimited parts and and it was difficult to keep that speed for a long time.

Brigadier

June 26th, 2008, 05:10

I love the average ...they are doing 290 (obviously went out for some crazy driving) and the average on the boardcomp is 16.1 liters per 100 km? :bigeyes:

EDIT: One more thing... where's the bloody key? :D

We made about 1500 km during our Audi Experience trip and the average consumption was 16,1l/100km. Sometimes it was much higher (especially in the Tirol mountains and on the German autobahns) and sometimes lower (on the plains roads of Austria, Switzerland and Italy where speed limitation is about 100-120 km/h)

The key? I had the key in my pocket... Thanks to "keyless" option. ;)

Brigadier

June 26th, 2008, 05:11

Brigadier,

Do you have a high def version of your picture ? ? ?

Frederic

Yes I have. Tell me where to send.

Mr Balsen

June 26th, 2008, 17:55

Yes I have. Tell me where to send.

thanks very much ! ! !

Please send it to: mtmfrance@yahoo.fr

Frederic

snoopra

June 27th, 2008, 02:07

DuckWingDuck

June 27th, 2008, 03:04

Keyless baby!

chewym

June 27th, 2008, 07:56

Where you slowing down? 290 km/h @ only 4,800 RPM? Or that's some good gearing, 16.1 liters per 100 isn't too bad either.

edit: answered on last page

GrantG

June 27th, 2008, 10:29

656 hp / 785 Nm (limited)
300 km/h depending on tires
Frederic
Oh wow, that's 5 Nm more than mine for £50k. Bargain! :lovl: :brag: I guess they are trying to preserve the gearbox. I wonder what torque rating the gearbox is rated for? Hmmm.

I think I would buy one just for the interior though, so modern compared to the C5.

"Long live the C5 RS6!" :rs6kiss: