Audi announces the longitudinal 7spd DSG [Archive] - RS6.com

PeterJohn

March 19th, 2008, 16:53

Only one source for now, Dutch site autoblog.nl:

http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2008/03/19/audi-7-traps-dsg

http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/audi_stronic_7.jpg

They say a max Torque of 550Nm and max engine speed of 9000rpm.

Arslanoff

March 19th, 2008, 16:56

YEEEE! Finaly! But when we will see the cars?

RXBG

March 19th, 2008, 18:44

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe it is a DRY clutch. so there bmw and all the rest.

probably to be seen in the Q5 and new A4 and A5 first...

Damienr8

March 19th, 2008, 18:54

Im guessing the Q5, then the S4 and S5. Great News from Audi. I like the torque handling and engine speed figures as well!

KresoF1

March 19th, 2008, 18:59

Leadfoot

March 19th, 2008, 19:30

Kerso,

Are you not commenting on any future models to be offered this gearbox. Surely you could think of one or two, I know I can. ;)

Damienr8

March 19th, 2008, 20:45

pampas

March 19th, 2008, 21:29

One more link HERE! (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/technical/audi-upgrades-s-tronic-to-handle-more-power/)

What about the R8? R-tronic or the new DSG???
I am not good with mechanics, is this unit same/similar as in the M3 DSG/DCT??

Marv

March 19th, 2008, 22:05

I wonder why only quattro - is the Torsen diff built into that housing too or is it some kind of marketing thing?

Not sure if 550Nm is enought for new 290ps 3.0 TDi - depends if that engine makes its extra power through torque or revs

Rage

March 20th, 2008, 00:33

News we were all expecting but very exciting nonetheless:hihi:

Anyone wanna translate (at least the cool bits) of the german article??!

pampas

March 20th, 2008, 00:43

News we were all expecting but very exciting nonetheless:hihi:

Anyone wanna translate (at least the cool bits) of the german article??!

http://translate.google.com/
See where you can "Translate a Web Page"? Copy&Paste the original link in german, than choose "German To English" and than click on Translate.

AndyBG

March 20th, 2008, 01:50

So, this is why there isn't A5 3.0 TDI quattro Tiptronic on offer for so long...

Rage

March 20th, 2008, 02:55

translation worked pretty well.

Ill bet the s-tronic improves 0-60 times by 0.2sec over manual.

Would be cool to see launch control too in the S/RS models.

Arslanoff

March 20th, 2008, 09:46

I have ordered A4 may be 2 weeks ago with the tiptronic gearbox.
What are the other differences between The tiptronic gearbox and the new DSG, not taking into account fast gear changes? I meen difference in driving, not technical ones.

+44 Dave

March 20th, 2008, 11:44

Cough cough R8 V10... Splutter... R8 V12TDI ... Excuse me, please bad throaght.

pampas

March 20th, 2008, 23:34

should we expect the R8 to go with DSG or stick to the R-tronic transmission? (either V8 or V10 engines)

RXBG

March 21st, 2008, 13:50

i don't think the DSG layout works with the R8/ something about gearbox location.

Damienr8

March 21st, 2008, 14:30

Does anyone know if the DSG gearbox is lighter than the R-tronic gearbox?

KresoF1

March 21st, 2008, 15:24

Does anyone know if the DSG gearbox is lighter than the R-tronic gearbox?

Heavier... In fact a lot heavier(new 7speed S-Tronic)... 30kg or something...

Leadfoot

March 21st, 2008, 15:38

30Kgs, is that not the difference between a 6speed manual and it, what is the difference between the two in the R8 gearboxes (manula and R-Tronic). Anyway 30kgs isn't that bad, it's no worse than BMW's similar system.

chewym

March 21st, 2008, 19:44

So much inside information here. It may be a little heavier than the 6 speed auto, but the improvements in fuel economy and performance will far outweigh some extra weight.

And it doesn't look like it will work for the R8, the DSG is much too long.

PeterJohn

March 22nd, 2008, 10:42

The new transverse 7spd DSG weighs only 70kg, as opposed to the 93kg of the old wet clutch 6spd DSG.

You won't see this particular DSG is the R8, b/c it is incorporated in the quattro AWD system. That means you won't even see it on FWD or old chassis (with the driveshafts in a different place) Audis.

It's hard to compare the weight to the R-tronic because, again, this DSG is part of a gearbox that incorportates AWD differentials and shafts. The R-tronic is just an automized manual transaxle gearbox.

This is not that transaxle 120kg Getrag gearbox from the Getrag website, which probably included the diff anyways.

@Arslanof
DSG is as smooth as an automatic, but as fast as a sequencial gearbox. If you're going to go clutch-pedal-less, and DSG is an option, there is no reason why you would choose a torque converter automatic.

Lateknight

March 31st, 2008, 19:35

Evo magazine have (allegedly) driven an S5 with the new 7spd S-tronic.

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/219657/audi_s5.html

Its more a 'tech' report than driving impressions though.

Leadfoot

March 31st, 2008, 20:43

Evo magazine have (allegedly) driven an S5 with the new 7spd S-tronic.

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/219657/audi_s5.html

Its more a 'tech' report than driving impressions though.

Already read it but there seems to be mistakes, EVO are quoting 200ms in normal driving and 100ms in sport/manual. That's miles away form the original DSG and the 30ms that other sources have quoted for the new S/Tronic 7speed.

KresoF1

March 31st, 2008, 21:32

I think it is actually real report about S-Tronic with 7speed since Nissan GT-R shifting speed(fastest) is also 100ms...

Rage

March 31st, 2008, 23:33

Part of the confusion must rest with the definition of a 'shift'

I guess different manufacturers use different definitions.

Leadfoot

March 31st, 2008, 23:41

Part of the confusion must rest with the definition of a 'shift'

I guess different manufacturers use different definitions.

Most probably. Does the shift start when the lever is pulled or is it when the first clutch is disengaged. That argument is up for debate as to what is the correct measurement.

jeankk

April 7th, 2008, 21:18

http://www.autosieger.de/article14606.html

In depth article in German...

Only for AWD(quattro) cars.

Current list of users(till end of 2008):

Q5
A5 3.2 Quattro
A5 3.0TDI Quattro
S5
A4 3.2 Quattro
A4 3.0TDI Quattro
S4

Manual remains standard gearbox, new S Tronic replaces Tiptronic in models mentioned above...

Great news. Im ordering a S5 tiptronic, should I wait for this new transmission? Will it worth the months of wait and anxiety? Do you think that six months from now will be available? :confused:

KresoF1

April 8th, 2008, 07:10

Great news. Im ordering a S5 tiptronic, should I wait for this new transmission? Will it worth the months of wait and anxiety? Do you think that six months from now will be available? :confused:

Good question... First normal Audi that will receive new S-Tronic with 7speed will be(Q5 put aside) new S4. Audi just introduced Tiptronic for A5 3.0TDI Quattro so, it seems to me that we are not very near to S-Tronic introduction...

Personally, I would wait...

jeankk

April 8th, 2008, 19:06

Good question... First normal Audi that will receive new S-Tronic with 7speed will be(Q5 put aside) new S4. Audi just introduced Tiptronic for A5 3.0TDI Quattro so, it seems to me that we are not very near to S-Tronic introduction...

Personally, I would wait...

I think the same. I should wait but one thing that concerns me is that by the time S5 with S TRONIC comes out, maybe early 2009, prices of european cars in US will suffer an important increase because of the fall of the us dollar vs euro.

I would wait couple of months to see if Audi announces the plan for Stronic in their cars, otherwise I rather wait for RS5 (July 2009) than for a S5 Stronic in January. :vhmmm:

Rage

April 8th, 2008, 19:17

I think the same. I should wait but one thing that concerns me is that by the time S5 with S TRONIC comes out, maybe early 2009, prices of european cars in US will suffer an important increase because of the fall of the us dollar vs euro.

I would wait couple of months to see if Audi announces the plan for Stronic in their cars, otherwise waiting for RS5 (July 2009) is a smarter choice. :vhmmm:

Wait for the RS5. It will be a beast.

Considering that the M3 is $58k. How much will the RS5 be in the states considering the S5 is $50k?

jeankk

April 10th, 2008, 23:28

Wait for the RS5. It will be a beast.

Considering that the M3 is $58k. How much will the RS5 be in the states considering the S5 is $50k?

Probably 62k to 64k base price, depends on the engine proposal.

Around 70k - 72k loaded w/ stronic and all the extras.

Rage

April 11th, 2008, 01:12

Probably 62k to 64k base price, depends on the engine proposal.

Around 70k - 72k loaded w/ stronic and all the extras.

No doubt about it...the M3 is very compeitvely priced (albeit without many options included) in the states.

jeankk

April 11th, 2008, 02:34

No doubt about it...the M3 is very compeitvely priced (albeit without many options included) in the states.

Yes, M3 is very competitively priced but when you add the extras like sequential transmission, premium sound, and all the others extras it gets around 68k.

For example,
BMW M Double-clutch Transmission with Drivelogic (7 speed) which competes with Audi Longitudinal 7 spd S-TRONIC is a US$2.900 option.

I hope Audi make s-tronic standard not optional!!