New S4 Info.

[The Pretender]

Last Info from Audi AG according to Audi Sweden.

Audi S4 B8 V6 3.0TFSI 333 ps S-Tronic Quattro.

Jarod.

[PetrolDave]

333ps is a mistake - less than the B6/B7 S4. Should be 380ps and with twin sequential turbos for good response at low revs plus high boost at high revs.

[RXBG]

i see no reason why the S5 should keep the V8 if this engine has those specs. stage 1 S4's will be running around killing S5's.

this would be a perfect midengine offering for the A6 as well. just like the days when you could get an A6 with the 2.8, 2.7TT, and 4.2. and there is no way the A5line would be given a TT V6 with just 20 hp less than the 10K more expensive S5.

[Leadfoot]

Last Info from Audi AG according to Audi Sweden.

Audi S4 B8 V6 3.0TFSI 333 ps S-Tronic Quattro.

Jarod.

That's great to hear it will be twin-turboed and no as I was informed. For once I am glad to be proven wrong.:applause:

The only thing I was right on was the output but then so was everyone else, also I'm correct in thinking that S/Tronic with make it to the party as well.

Did you happen to hear if this included Sports Diff as this is also meant to be included with the introduction of the S4?

[AndyBG]

3.0 T, 333 hp..., FANTASTIC !!!

Very nice news !!!

[raulg]

Last Info from Audi AG according to Audi Sweden.

Audi S4 B8 V6 3.0TFSI 333 ps S-Tronic Quattro.

Jarod.

Great news, I suppose this is the final setup, right? No more crazy engines coming for this car, I hope :)

And S-Tronic!!! IT's time for something like that, the new M3 just got it, and I feel bad the BMW came out with their DSG faster than Audi!!! Especially since our DSG is already out for quite a few years. It's a slap in the face!!

Any news on the release date of the B8 S4?!

[artur777]

Early 2009 in the market

[ZeroCool]

IMO early 2009 is too late for the new S4 ... Qisha wrote in another thread that the RS4 (MY 2010) is getting the new Quattro ... so MY 2010 is May 2009 if i'm right...

So i think that this info is wrong...

[chewym]

Should be 350+. Unless Audi prices it very cheaply.

[RXBG]

would you all prefer:

A) a 360 hp V6 TT with less overengineering to keep it light, but not as mod friendly as the 2.7TT?

B) a 330 hp V6 with more overengineering, heavier, but more mod friendly.

[chewym]

Why not just give it 360 hp from the begining if you are going to overengineer? HP sells cars, (especially in America) and Audi can for sure get 350 or so out of a 3.0 V6 with forced induction. Twin turbo or supercharged.

330 will be low for a performance oriented sports sedan, as there was more horsepower available before. Audi is not in the business of selling warranty ending chip kits. People buy chips, void warranty, engine breaks for one or other reason. Audi is left with bad publicity and Consumer Reports scores. It is in the business of selling cars for a good amount. Anything less than 340 will be a joke. 350 makes sense, as does 354 or 360.

[Rage]

Im a little confused with audis lineup/release schedule.....almost as if they are rushing things through.....i mean whats the point of releasing the S5 with a conventional auto soon when the S4 wil be ready with an S-tronic especially as the S4 is not suppoised to be as sporty as the S5?

I dont think the +20HP in the S5 is too much for the S-tronic?
In fact id bet the S4 with triptronic will be quicker then an auto S5

Considering MDCT has just been confirmed for the M3 I imagine the RS5 will need a dual clutch transmission too so why not go full steam ahead with Stronic for all sporty models?

Cmon Audi...get your Vorschsprung durch tecknic asses in gear:)

[artur777]

People, S5 will be with S-Tronic also - but later
S4 will be Early 2009 in the market.
RS4 will be Mid 2010 in the market.

[AndyBG]

I think that 333+/- hp is realistic... Audi never made ''big jump'' from its competitors when it comes to power, so I don't expect this time...

335 i is 306 hp, so 333+/- hp is OK...

When can we expect to see some world premier..., Geneve '08 or Paris '08 ?

[tvrfan]

its ok, but i think it will be a bit higher. S-tronic is cool, 7 gears??? or 6 gears???

OH Quisha, please if you know, answer us the question: is the new S4 getting the new quattro sportdiff. (TQ)???

PS: audi should bring sportdiff: (TQ) for all S and RS models for standart!!! is this possible? anybody knows?

[ZeroCool]

@tvrfan...

As far as i can remember Qisha said in another Thread (where he also said, that the RS4 will be MY 2010 - so the release date won't be early 2009) that the S4 is the first car to get new Quattro!

[JavierNuvolari]

Perhaps the car will be signicantly lighter(say 120kgs, optimistic.... i know) than is't predecesor, hence ned a less power output. Plus, the new Quattro system is probably going to make it a blast to drive.

[Damienr8]

Perhaps the car will be signicantly lighter(say 120kgs, optimistic.... i know) than is't predecesor, hence ned a less power output. Plus, the new Quattro system is probably going to make it a blast to drive.

333hp and 90kg lighter works fine with me!

[JavierNuvolari]

333hp and 90kg lighter works fine with me!

For me too, didn't know that info. Thanks.:cheers:

[AndyBG]

333hp and 90kg lighter works fine with me!

+1 !!! :D

[Leadfoot]

333hp and 90kg lighter works fine with me!

90kgs lighter than what, the old S4?

Best to look at the normal A4 3.2Quattro and then add about about 25kgs for the turbo piping (if it's turboed), 10~15kgs for Sport Diff and maybe another 10Kgs for additional equipment.

That would bring the grand total to 1625~1630Kgs, roughly the same as Audi quoted for the old model which isn't bad when you consider it's bigger but not what you might have been hoping for.

Unless Audi decide to use more alloy panels than currently used in the stock car I can't see this figure improving. But on a plus note, the RS6 does have more power than quoted so there is a slim chance that the same may apply to the S4.

[Z07]

Sounds good. Glad to hear they're not going down the supercharger route. Shouldn't be hard to discretely wind out a few extra psi without it showing up in a diagnostic check.

[Damienr8]

WOW WOW WOW, my statement was not a fact or "insider information". I was just replying to Javier's comment of 120kg. What i mean was, "If the car had 333hp and was 90k lighter than it's predecessor, that would suffice my needs".

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I really do wish I am correct though. Finally, work is done!!! Off to the bars!

[Z07]

If the car was 333hp@6000rpm and 360lbft@1750-4750rpm and 90kg lighter, that would suffice such needs all the better.

[raulg]

90kgs lighter than what, the old S4?

Best to look at the normal A4 3.2Quattro and then add about about 25kgs for the turbo piping (if it's turboed), 10~15kgs for Sport Diff and maybe another 10Kgs for additional equipment.

That would bring the grand total to 1625~1630Kgs, roughly the same as Audi quoted for the old model which isn't bad when you consider it's bigger but not what you might have been hoping for.

Unless Audi decide to use more alloy panels than currently used in the stock car I can't see this figure improving. But on a plus note, the RS6 does have more power than quoted so there is a slim chance that the same may apply to the S4.

Well, the new A4 1.8T weights 10% less than current A4 2.0T, that's cited from MotorTrend magazine I just got. So, they should maintain the 10% reduction all around the B8 A4, no matter what engine is inside (3.2, 3.0TT). Especially if the 4.2V8 is replaced by a lighter 3.0TT.

[The Pretender]

The new A4 3.2 FSI Quattro weigh 1630 Kg according to the "Audi.de" site.
Ad to that 2 turbo's and 2 intercoolers and you have ± the weight for the new S4.

Jarod.

[Leadfoot]

The new A4 3.2 FSI Quattro weigh 1630 Kg according to the "Audi.de" site.
Ad to that 2 turbo's and 2 intercoolers and you have ± the weight for the new S4.

Jarod.


"Audi.co.uk" site are quoting 1580Kgs, it's a pity that one company can't even get it right on what is basically the same site.:doh:

[artur777]

"Audi.co.uk" site are quoting 1580Kgs, it's a pity that one company can't even get it right on what is basically the same site.:doh:

What weight is mean?
Net or curb one?

In case of Audi RS6 the weight quoted is net one + so add about 75kg and you get its curb weight of 2100kg

[Cargo8]

i also have heard 333 hp on supercharge v6 some time ago

[tvrfan]

no its nearly confirmed and i think thats right. 3.0 Biturbo FSI. audi would never go compressor. compressor would be dead in future. to much cost, bad fuel economy, its not mod-friendly at all. audi would do what they done at best. TURBOS. thrust me. audi wouldnt do bad things. =)

[Phage]

Trust me. audi wouldnt do bad things. =)

Then how do you explain the Audi A2? :hihi:

[Cargo8]

http://www.audi.de/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/emotion/entertainment/gallery.Par.0205.Image.jpg
HOTNESS!

[The Pretender]

One of Audi's best designed car IMHO.

Jarod.

[Phage]

I'll have to conclude that all people that like the A2 are hopeless Audiphiles that have lost touch with reality.
The whole mini MPV style with an Audi (over)price(d)tag just makes this car one of the worst ideas they have ever put into production.

:D

[Cargo8]

any body kit availability for the A2?

[The Pretender]

any body kit availability for the A2?
http://www.projektzwo.de

Jarod.

[audiman200]

I just have to ask: Could this be the new S4? The picture was taken today when several "testaudis" were fueling up in Bodø, Norway. They have probably driven from the testtracks that are just on the other side of the boarder in Sweden.

http://www.ab24.no/files/images/orginal/m78_25124648_1609.jpg


http://www.ab24.no/files/images/orginal/m78_25124647_1609(2).jpg

For all I know this is just an ordinary 3.2, but the testdrivers said that we will see in a year what this is... :hahahehe:

[JavierNuvolari]

quad tail pipes....that's screaming "I'm the new S4" ;).

[RXBG]

that's it :)

[HKS786]

Oh yes that's it ;) It's the exact same as older shots but good to see it in another colour instead of the usual black ;)

[AndyBG]

Four ''pipes'', that says S in Audi book... :D

[JavierNuvolari]

I wonder why Audi is taking so long to release this model, I mean with the B7 gen they release the S line up along with the regular A4.

[ZeroCool]

Because for the B7 they already had the Engine ... for the new one they're developing a new one - so i think that the engine isn't ready yet...

[AndyBG]

I wonder why Audi is taking so long to release this model, I mean with the B7 gen they release the S line up along with the regular A4.

If Audi release S4 during '08 calendar year it will be the record so far for releasing ''S'' model, in the past, two years was minimum between ''A'' and ''S'' version. Of c' S5 is exception, it was completly new segment for Audi...

I hope we will see new S4 at Geneva, and that we are going to see them on the street by the end of '08.

[raulg]

If Audi release S4 during '08 calendar year it will be the record so far for releasing ''S'' model, in the past, two years was minimum between ''A'' and ''S'' version. Of c' S5 is exception, it was completly new segment for Audi...

I hope we will see new S4 at Geneva, and that we are going to see them on the street by the end of '08.

Geneva Show is in a month, doesn't fit in your "two years minimum". It's more like 6 months. Let's wait and see .. I doubt Audi will present it so soon.

[Kliko61]

I hate the fact that Audi brings the topmodels so late. Bmw does this better I think.

They should invest more in manufacturing locations for such S-RS versions, and not only in bringing more models into the market...

[chewym]

It would make the most sense for Audi to release the S4 this year. It makes sense that the engine will not be the V8 as they could have released the S4 by now. Maybe New York for the S4 as they wanted to release the S5 there last year.

[The Pretender]

Audi will downgrading the new S4 to the level of the BMW 335i also in price.

Jarod.

[Marv]

If Jarod is right, and I tend to agree, then I guess we could also expect a TDI S4 to match the 335d M sport. I don't know if Audi would badge it as S4 (maybe given Le Mans success and R8 concept), but rumour says we should see a 3.0 bi-turbo TDI this year, good for ~300hp. Pesonally I'd like to see this as a possible S4 choice.

[Rage]

Geneva Show is in a month, doesn't fit in your "two years minimum". It's more like 6 months. Let's wait and see .. I doubt Audi will present it so soon.

I think its a 2 year 'maximum' rule for top models.

[AndyBG]

Geneva Show is in a month, doesn't fit in your "two years minimum". It's more like 6 months. Let's wait and see .. I doubt Audi will present it so soon.

I was talking about past, I hope that in the future, starting with new S4, Audi will cut that period by half, maybe even more...

[Audifan92]

It looks nice...
But i hope it looks more aggressive from the front

[tvrfan]

@ Qhisha !

do you know something? is the B8 S4 Turbocharged or Supercharged. please help us if you know something!

[The Pretender]

S4 Avant.

http://www.audiblog.nl/wp-content/s4-1.jpg
http://www.audiblog.nl/wp-content/s4-2.jpg
http://www.audiblog.nl/wp-content/s4-3.jpg

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

New Audi S4 Spied in Northern Sweden

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini1L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini2L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini3L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini4L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini5L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini6L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini7L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini8L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini9L1.jpg
http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2008/2/23/9080223.002/9080223.002.Mini10L1.jpg


Jarod.

[chewym]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3698192

Someone says that the engine will be a 3.0 twincharger. A 333 hp twincharger S4 would be somewhat dissapointing. Might as well stick a 7 speed DSG 4.2 V8 and be done by now.

[The Pretender]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3698192

Someone says that the engine will be a 3.0 twincharger. A 333 hp twincharger S4 would be somewhat dissapointing. Might as well stick a 7 speed DSG 4.2 V8 and be done by now.

The 333 hp is looking like a fixed number.
Audi will down grading the S4 to 335i level in power (3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift Kompressor) and price.
The S4 will not be anymore in M3 territorium .

Jarod.

[Hy Octane]

Think you have it all close.. V6 but no turbo.

[MrBucket]

I hate the fact that Audi brings the topmodels so late. Bmw does this better I think.

They should invest more in manufacturing locations for such S-RS versions, and not only in bringing more models into the market...

You sure? The e90/92 has been out for quite a while and the M3 is just showing up now.

[tvrfan]

"Der neue Audi S4 hat einen 3.0 TFSI Motor unter der Haube und wird wohlklingende 333 PS haben.
Markteinführung wird im ersten Halbjahr 2009 sein.

The new B8/S4 will have a 3.0 TFSI engine with 333HP.
Is expected first half of 2009."


______________________________________

"Pssstt!

(EU!)

Definite: V6 3,0TFSI

PS: 333PS

Compressor + Turbo

To order: from October Limo+ Avant

Delivery: 01/2009"




from a guy from audizine. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161627&page=5


i hate that fact that it will be twincharged with turbo and kompressor. audi should have go biturboed or twinturboed with all models S- and RS. an 3.0 TFSI biturbo 333ps. would be mine. and B8 RS4 and RS5 with biturbo would be my dream. and really this what audi should do! i think that a Biturbo is better than the twincharger engine (turbo + compressor). BMW does it right. they are building a mass of Turbo engines in future. audi goes the wrong way with there history

[The Pretender]

I don't see how it will work, Twincharger technology on a Audi V6.
It may work on a VW VR6 engine, turbo @ the exhaust side and Kompressor on the intake side like VW do with the 1.4 R4 twincharger engine.

Jarod.

[IhateRWD]

i think is a great idea, no turbo lag because of the supercharger and high torque at very very low rpm that's hot!

[The Pretender]

The Audi 3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift Kompressor engine will be a engine of a different kind.
The Kompressor will only work when there is need for power.
If you are cruising the Kompressor will disconnect by a electro magnetic clutch.
It will save fuel when disconnected and bring power when needed.

jarod.

[ZeroCool]

about 10 days ago i think i saw also the new S4 ... i don't know exactly - but it had IN Plates, 4 exhaust pipes...and it was definitly an A4 no A5 ...

at the airport Altenrhein in Switzerland...

But i had to go to get a friend of mine from the airport so that i couldn't follow him...
but it looked like a "normal" A4 ... just the exhaust was S4-Style

[Leadfoot]

You can clearly see from the photos that the left hand grille beside the spot light is open, this car has intercoolers. End of debate, it's forced induction.

[tvrfan]

you mean it will be biturbo?

[The Pretender]

you mean it will be biturbo?
Or intercooled supercharged.

Jarod.

[tvrfan]

Or intercooled supercharged.

Jarod.

whats the round thing on the right side (near foglights) ???

but intercooler are not compressor like ;) more turbo like. thats a fact.
My hope is always Audi S4 3.0 Biturbo 333PS 7-DSG speed. Torque vectoring. like the old rumors said, audi is going back to turbocharging with new RS4 and RS4 and S4. i hope its true!


PS: i will se open side vents like on the B7 RS4 :cry: i missed that on new RS6 too. and somebody said on the newest RS5 spyshots it wont be biturbocharged because it hasent open side vents. thats crap! new RS6 hasent it, and S4 wont have it to! its a nice styling issue to cooling the intercoolers and turbos. and it looks damn hot. i miss it.

[The Pretender]

whats the round thing on the right side (near foglights) ???

Adaptive cruise control sensor/radar.

Jarod.

[gabbby69006]

Front side vents can be motorized, to henhance aerodynamic. In this cold weather, it might be closed. But I think the engine will be a V6 with an additionnal compressor with a magnetic cluch. Combinned with valve lift and Direct Injection, it permit to do lots off great optimisations, reach very low consumption in regulare driving while providing lot of power at high rpm.

[gabbby69006]

Remember too that in the case of clutched compressor, the driver can switch between a sport mode (like drive select) where the compressor is all time on, and a confort mode where it is witched on only on highest load (request of power).

[PeterJohn]

I don't see how it will work, Twincharger technology on a Audi V6.
It may work on a VW VR6 engine, turbo @ the exhaust side and Kompressor on the intake side like VW do with the 1.4 R4 twincharger engine.

Jarod.

Not a problem. A supercharger nestles in between the cilinder banks. That's how you do it, even if there is no turbo system. The turbos are on the exhaust side, and the supercharger is on the intake side.

Check out the MTM supercharger:

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/uploads/Features/006__scaled_600_037.jpg

I think the people opposed to the twin charging system have no understanding of how it works. The problem with a turbo is that it not only lags, it actually restricts the engine in low rpm, and in the process restricts itself from building boost. And this limits the size of your turbo, which limits the power you get from a certain displacement (the whole point of turbos is to produce big power/torque from small packages).
Now you can throw complexcity at it, and have a paralel system of small turbines, a serial system of unequal size turbines, or VGT turbos that change their internal size,... but these systems do not greatly increase the size of the turbo you can use. They help broaden the torque curve (which is important), but do not increase the amount of torque by a great deal. If you install big turbos on any of these solutions, you will still deal with lag. And you will probably run out of rpms before you can really take advantage of your big turbine. The twin charged engine, on the other hand, eliminates lag completely, without having to compromise the size of the turbine.

What the supercharger does is introduce a lot of airmass from idle to jumpstart the turbo, so it not only spools sooner (torque curve), but spools more (torque amount). You get your low end torque, and you can also have a much bigger turbine. On the 1.4TSI, the supercharger more than doubles the ultimate piek boost of the turbo, aside from offering a broad torque curve. It's a two stage system (the supercharger has an overdrive) that cuts out when the turbo is spooled up. So what you have is not so much a supercharged engine, but a supercharged -big ass- turbo attached to a small engine.

Another advantage I see, is a more continues pressure curve. A turbo only gets powered by an exhaust stroke 25% of the time. The other 75% of the time, the exhaust valve is closed, and the turbine is sucking a vacuum. On a V6 Bi Turbo, only three cilinders connect to one turbo. So 25% of the time, the turbine is sucking a vacuum losses speed. And it would surprize me that the firing order of the three cilinders is evenly spread. The supercharger will help to smooth out the pressure variation.

The RS6 doesn't have open vents?

[Leadfoot]

It's very possible that the new S4 will be twin charged, that is why we have been seen both rumours, one saying it's turboed and the other saying it's supercharged. The very fact that it will use an open Vee unlike the VR6 engine allows for the SC to fit in between the cylinder banks.

To me it would be the ideal answer.

[PetrolDave]

If Audi release S4 during '08 calendar year it will be the record so far for releasing ''S'' model, in the past, two years was minimum between ''A'' and ''S'' version. Of c' S5 is exception, it was completly new segment for Audi...
Second that - B6 A4 came out in 2001 but first deliveries of the B6 S4 were not until 2003 (I ordered mine the day the order book opened in January 2003 and it was delivered in May 2003).

[PetrolDave]

It's very possible that the new S4 will be twin charged, that is why we have been seen both rumours, one saying it's turboed and the other saying it's supercharged. The very fact that it will use an open Vee unlike the VR6 engine allows for the SC to fit in between the cylinder banks.

To me it would be the ideal answer.
Asked this question at a dealer VIP Preview evening for the B8 A4 on Thursday ... the B8 S4 will NOT be supercharged was a very strong message, but they would not be drawn on whether it was single or twin turbos.

[PetrolDave]

The S4 will not be anymore in M3 territorium.
It never was - the competitor for the M3 is the RS4.

[The Pretender]

Not a problem. A supercharger nestles in between the cilinder banks. That's how you do it, even if there is no turbo system. The turbos are on the exhaust side, and the supercharger is on the intake side.

Check out the MTM supercharger:

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/uploads/Features/006__scaled_600_037.jpg

I think the people opposed to the twin charging system have no understanding of how it works.
I know exactly how it all work but not together on a V6 engine.
If you look at the MTM SC you see it's sitting right on top of the intake manifold.
There is no room for the turbo to get his boost into the engine.

Jarod.

[PetrolDave]

Four ''pipes'', that says S in Audi book... :D
The B6 S4 was twin pipes, four pipes only came in with the B7 S4.

[Leadfoot]

Asked this question at a dealer VIP Preview evening for the B8 A4 on Thursday ... the B8 S4 will NOT be supercharged was a very strong message, but they would not be drawn on whether it was single or twin turbos.

I don't really care either way, as long as they product a decent rival to the 335i will make me happy.

[tvrfan]

Asked this question at a dealer VIP Preview evening for the B8 A4 on Thursday ... the B8 S4 will NOT be supercharged was a very strong message, but they would not be drawn on whether it was single or twin turbos.

how believable is your dealer? has he good sources?

"so that means that the S4 has no supercharger and no twincharger (because no supercharger). but they dont know if it will be biturboed or single turboed." is that right?

[The Pretender]

The latest/newest info say supercharged not Bi-turbo-ed.
But there is a possibility that they mixed up Twincharged with Twin screw supercharged.

Jarod.

[gabbby69006]

1) The twin charger is easy to do on a 4 cylinder, but on a V6, it need two turbo. Two turbo + one compressor : what a hell...

2) A jump from 265 to 333 cv is low with big turbos like the one of a such twin charger system. A Twin charger TSI setup is made to add BIG high pressure turbo while it avoid turbo lag. For a 3.0 V6, it may produce something like 360-400 Hp.

Do remember the first RS4 : 2.7 TT (mid pressure), 340 hp

3) The TSI Twin Charger have problems of reliability : it's a too complex system.

I hope low pressure - no lag twin turbo, or compressor with clutch to avoid comsuption penalty in regulare driving.

[The Pretender]

..... or compressor with clutch to avoid comsuption penalty in regulare driving.

The Audi 3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift Kompressor engine will be a engine of a different kind.
The Kompressor will only work when there is need for power.
If you are cruising the Kompressor will disconnect by a electro magnetic clutch.
It will save fuel when disconnected and bring power when needed.

jarod.

[tvrfan]

from George @ fourtitude

Speculation? Technically yes, but I'd put it (supercharged only... no turbo involved) at a likelihood of 98%. (FYI, we ran this back in November, so it's not a new rumor http://www.fourtitude.com/news...shtml).

Here's what I know. I have multiple contacts from Audi of America and Audi AG telling me it will be supercharged. The website Audiworld and some others are saying bi-turbo and I don't blame them.... Audi hasn't done a supercharger since before

WWII I believe (without checking on that claim), and they have a clear history with turbos. Given the tuning potential, I think we'd all like to see that, so I called the AW folks to compare notes.

Their source says that the turbos were developed but Audi was concerned about a potential warranty catastrophe as there was with the B5 S4 - ridonculous hp tuning then warranty claims. According to their sources, the supercharger is in development but won't be ready for an S4 launch, so the S4 might initially be a V8.

I went back to my friends at Audi to ask about this. They said that's partially true. A turbo setup was developed, but never fully tested when Audi decided to go to supercharger. That is more tested at this point and could likely debut ahead of the S4 in the facelifted A6 later this year. Again.... supercharged and not a twin charger (one super, one turbo) or turbocharged. I'm told there are even 3.0 TFSI (as the super will be badged) already testing fitted to A6 bodies in-country.

Further, we have a few dealer techs who've said they've seen the supercharged engine listed in upcoming model breakdowns during training. Also, we have reason to believe Eaton will be the OE supplier.

333hp? That could be accurate... maybe just for the A6/Q5 fitment, more for the S4... none of my sources will confirm a power figure. One would think though that the S4 might get a hotter tune. We'll see. With torque vectoring AWD and Audi Drive Select, the chassis will be a significantly better setup than the B7 and it will have less weight to push around at the front and get better gas mileage. They could implement further weight savings too with aluminum panels, though I really know nothing about any weight-saving measures.

S4 vs. M3? I look at this from a biased Audi perspective to be sure, but I think my logic is reasonable. B6/B7 S4 squared off nicely against the E46 M3. When Audi raised the bar with the RS4, the M3 was bumped up to compete with the RS4 in power and in price and the 335i fills the void. As I see it, a drop in about 10hp (projected based on the estimates of the new motor) and improved weight/fuel savings is a fair trade and doesn't move the car down in class. That Audi didn't muck with their model placement to move the S4 up to the M3's risen stature isn't really important. The RS4 is there already and the RS5 will take on the new M car when it debuts (we also projected on that last week here... http://www.fourtitude.com/news...shtml) Trust me, Audi is dropping no ball.

what do you think? at first a V8 in the S4 and later a 3.0 TFSI badged compressor engine? thats absoloulty bullshit in my eyes. how can audi badge a compressor engine with TFSI (Turbo Fuel single injection) ??? will it be possible that audi would suprise us with a biturbo S4??? or is the game played and it will be supercharged????



its so hard for me, iam a bloody turbo guy. and with all that audi heritage and turbo history :nana: :cry:

[artur777]

The engine is already confirmend by Audi dealers: 3.0 TFSI with 333bhp (3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift with Twin Screw Four-Lobe (Twin Vortices Series) TVS Eaton Compressor

So the disputes are over...

[JWC]

Is that the final answer? If so there won't be any lag time with the twin screw. I perfer a SC V8 like I had on my 03 Cobra.

[pampas]

The engine is already confirmend by Audi dealers: 3.0 TFSI with 333bhp (3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift with Twin Screw Four-Lobe (Twin Vortices Series) TVS Eaton Compressor

So the disputes are over...

If that's true ... the B8 S4 won't be a step forward by too much compared to the current. Maybe better mpg, a little faster if the car is lighter, but won't be a huge thing .... we'll see if the new dynamic suspension and the new quattro can do some magic; the A4 3.2V6 did really good on the track, the S4 should do better, but I was hoping for more than 350hp ... at least 360hp ++

[Leadfoot]

I know I insisted on saying that the S4 would run a supercharged V6 but because my source wasn't involved with the project (S4 was a non-RS project) he couldn't confirm for sure whether the SC had got the nod over turbo. I hope this is the case and Audi have decided to go the SC route as overall the packaging to be the better in stock form, it's frontal weight will be less than with a V8 or V6Bi-turbo and the engine will perform both duties better, especially if the SC can be disconnected.

In a small part I and the rest of you have made Audi decide the route, we as fans wanted a better handling package to compete with the brilliant 335i and Audi listened. Believe it or not, Audi do listen to forums like this. ;)

[The Pretender]

how can audi badge a compressor engine with TFSI (Turbo Fuel single injection) ???
Wrong it's: Turbocharged Fuel Stratified Injection.
TFSI is a markething name and is know as a charged engine by most.
It make no difference if it's turbocharged or supercharged it still is a charged engine.
VW use TSI Twincharged Stratified Injection but most TSI engines have no kompressor at all.
Audi and VW use different names for the same engine's.
Audi call it 1.8TFSI and VW call it 1.8 TSI, VW use the T for both Twincharged as turbocharged.
Futher name like KFSI and SCFSI will not work marketing wise IMHO.
TFSI is a sattle name within Audi why change it for just a minor technical change.
Most people say i have a TFSI engine and dont worry about if it's turbo or supercharged.
And for compact V6 engine building a SC is best solution by far.



If that's true ... the B8 S4 won't be a step forward by too much compared to the current. Maybe better mpg, a little faster if the car is lighter, but won't be a huge thing .... we'll see if the new dynamic suspension and the new quattro can do some magic; the A4 3.2V6 did really good on the track, the S4 should do better, but I was hoping for more than 350hp ... at least 360hp ++

Why give the new S4 350-360 hp when it have to compete for example with a 306 hp 335i, it will have 27 hp more to do the job.
And with all the other goodies it gets it will do more than fine.
If you want 350-360 hp buy a S5.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

The engine is already confirmend by Audi dealers: 3.0 TFSI with 333bhp (3.0 V6 FSI Valve-Lift with Twin Screw Four-Lobe (Twin Vortices Series) TVS Eaton Compressor

So the disputes are over...

More Info.
http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@eaton/@auto/documents/content/ct_140195.jpg

<!--SS_END_ELEMENT(region1_element2)-->TWIN VORTICES SERIES (TVS) <!--SS_BEGIN_ELEMENT(region1_element21)-->The Eaton Twin Vortices Series or Eaton TVS™ is a patented supercharger design that features twin four-lobe rotors, twisted 160 degrees. By comparison, the original Eaton supercharger features three lobes twisted 60 degrees. The fourth lobe and added twist, when combined with redesigned air inlet and outlet ports, creates a smoother, more efficient flow of air into the engine. In addition to improved overall efficiency, the Eaton TVS supercharger has improved noise and vibration characteristics as well.

As a result of these design changes engine manufacturers can use a smaller Eaton TVS supercharger to create the desired amount of boost. This provides under hood packaging advantages as well as weight savings.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

Audi S4.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h167/degraafm/S4-1.jpg

Jarod.

[ZeroCool]

photoshop? or real? i think it looks really fantastic ... wonderful car...

[Leadfoot]

Looking at how low the suspension is sitting I say Photoshop.

[Senne]

It's a PS indeed. Is it sure it will get the Vectoring Quattro and sportdifferential? And when will it be released? Geneva?

Greets

[ZeroCool]

if i am right, yes it will be introduced with the S4 ... i think Qisha gave us the info some time ago...

[AndyBG]

New S4 is expected to be presented at Geneva..., that is very soon. :D

[JWC]

How soon is "very soon" AndyBG?

[The Pretender]

How soon is "very soon" AndyBG?


6-16 march 2008.
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/

Jarod.

[Senne]

Is it for 100% sure it will be presented at Geneva?:applause:
When can we expect offcial info then, is there a date already? Can't wait.

[RXBG]

hopefully geneva. hope it isn't just the Q5.

[tvrfan]

i want know more about which engine its getting.

[pampas]

if presented at geneva will know the engine for sure; I just hope you guys are not wrong about it's presence at geneva showi

[artur777]

Paris Show, Autumn 08.
The engine is Supercharged (TVS Eaton one) as I stated above.
The info is confirmed from reliable sources.

[tvrfan]

Paris Show, Autumn 08.
The engine is Turbocharged (TVS Eaton one) as I stated above.
The info is confirmed from reliable sources.

turbocharged? TVS eaton is a compressor if iam not be wrong.

man please audi give me a B8 S4 3.0 Turbo please :cry:
i hate compressor. i still cant believe it that audi goes the completly wrong way. :w:

[The Pretender]

The TVS (Twin Fortices Series) Eaton is a Twin Screw Four Lobe supercharger.
And i get more and more a supercharger fan.

Jarod.

[artur777]

The TVS (Twin Fortices Series) Eaton is a Twin Screw Four Lobe supercharger.
And i get more and more a supercharger fan.

Jarod.

I misprinted - of course TVS is a compressor and not a turbo:cheers:

[Leadfoot]

The TVS (Twin Fortices Series) Eaton is a Twin Screw Four Lobe supercharger.
And i get more and more a supercharger fan.

Jarod.

It's technology that I know little about but I bet Audi will produce as much of a gem with new technology that BMW did when they introduced the 335i for the first.

I am more interested as to how this off/on ability will work and more importantly feel in practice.

[+44 Dave]

That Photoshop looks brilliant. Loving that, so different to the A4 but the same parts ?
Not long now though guys :)

[Kram]

Oh NO!
Audi must be kidding!
MB AMG already done that (a 3.2l V6 supercharged with 350hp+-) and dropped in favor of bigger NA motors.
I think that BMW did a smart move (and even smarter with the TBA V8 biturbo) and Audi is driving backwards on the engine department (bar RS6).

[Leadfoot]

Kram,

By the looks of it, things have progressed since Mercedes did the C32, that car was using old technology compared to the present supercharger designs.

Best to hold off the complaints until the car has been tested.

[AndyBG]

If this is correct, B8 S4 will be the first Audi, that I'm aware of, that will be equiped with supercharger... VW has it in its history, as we all know with G60 engine and recently with supercharged/turbo TSI...

[Leadfoot]

If this is correct, B8 S4 will be the first Audi, that I'm aware of, that will be equiped with supercharger... VW has it in its history, as we all know with G60 engine and recently with supercharged/turbo TSI...

Audi does have a racing history with supercharges but you have to go back to the thirties. :D

[Drivethru]

This is correct information just as you say pretender.
I Work at audi. The car seems to be lounched after the summer according roumors here in Swe.

[tvrfan]

audi is in a special way "dead" for me, for choosing compressor over Turbo. for me that is so silly. and i hate compressor!

[The Pretender]

audi is in a special way "dead" for me, for choosing compressor over Turbo. for me that is so silly. and i hate compressor!
Sorry to say but a supercharger is the way to go for the new S4.
It's very compact and can be mounted in the V of the engine.
A Bi-turbo configuration use a lot of room and bring a lot of heat under the bonnet.

Jarod.

[Kram]

I`m sorry, but I disagree with you. And I am not alone. BMW, Nissan, Porsche and other found the same.

[AndyBG]

By going ''supercharger way'' at this moment Audi is taking one courage step..., I don't know any company, beside VWs 1.4 TSI 170, currently running supercharger in its high selling model as Audis S4..., correct me if I'm wrong...

[JWC]

Not high volume, but cars from Ford Gt500 Mustang, Chevy Cobolt SS, Pontiac, Lotus, Land Rover, and others all run superchargers today. I have had two supercharged cars and loved the instant torque and throttle response. The twin screws are great. I guess we will all see what Audi does but I for one have confidence they will do it right.

[pampas]

By going ''supercharger way'' at this moment Audi is taking one courage step..., I don't know any company, beside VWs 1.4 TSI 170, currently running supercharger in its high selling model as Audis S4..., correct me if I'm wrong...

You are right.
If the supercharger give me the V8 power with no turbo lag, plus a light engine (compared to V8 or bi-turbos) than I am more than happy about this. I am sure the mpg won't be worse even with the sc, Audi isn't that stupid!

I'd love to have a "Sport" button, where you can Enable/Disable the supercharger, just to choose between better fuel econonomy and performance.

[chewym]

You won't really need to disconect the supercharger all that much I think. With boost you can run low RPM and burn very little fuel, Audi just has to give it a gearbox with proper overdrive gears. The only time to disconect would be during idle and maybe some cruising/taking the foot of the throttle.

I agree that Audi wouldn't have gone with a supercharger unless it was a better solution. It's not like they just said "we haven't done a supercharger before, let's make a supercharged engine so people on RS6.com would discuss it"

[The Pretender]

Also Jaguar (Ford) use them and the new Corvette Z01.

Jarod.

[JWC]

The twin screw superchargers don't pull any boost at idle or light /moderate peddle pressures. They come on as you hit the throttle then approximately .5 seconds later you have max boost usually at 3/4 throttle position or so. It's there when you need it and just rotating when you don't. The don't spool up like the snail type SC's.

[JWC]

If you guys want to read and find out a few things about twin screw superchargers in general you can go to the Kenne Bell website and read up. You can read actual dyno results on what these SC's can do. I have had twin screw SC's on two mustangs and they ROCK.

[artur777]

To my mind,
SC is a goon decision for Audi - I am sure the power will be very smooth and torquey

[Leadfoot]

It's not like they just said "we haven't done a supercharger before, let's make a supercharged engine so people on RS6.com would discuss it"

Are you so sure about that. ;)

I think you would be surprised just how much sites like this effect what makes it to production. :MTM:

[HKS786]

Are you so sure about that. ;)

I think you would be surprised just how much sites like this effect what makes it to production. :MTM:

You're right. It's free market research. ;)

[Kram]

To my mind,
SC is a goon decision for Audi - I am sure the power will be very smooth and torquey

I bet that the 335 have a better torque curve, and I must say that even the old V6 2.7tt would have a better torque curve than a 3.0supercharger.

Hope to be wrong, but I am not convinced that supercharger for small or medium displacement engines are the way to go.

[Drivethru]

what are u guys talking about it will be twinturbo not supercharger..

[tvrfan]

what are u guys talking about it will be twinturbo not supercharger..

that was my last hope. but everbody said it will be supercharged, and the magazines too.

whats your source to say its biturbo? your source please.

[Leadfoot]

I bet that the 335 have a better torque curve, and I must say that even the old V6 2.7tt would have a better torque curve than a 3.0supercharger.

Hope to be wrong, but I am not convinced that supercharger for small or medium displacement engines are the way to go.

I am pretty sure that you are right, the SC will build it's torque level with revs unlike the turbo which will give a peak level over a wider rev range. The advantage that the SC should have over the turbo is that at the top end it will have more performance accordingly than a turbo engine which will have more of a bang low down.

I am expecting this car to be praised for it's sporty character among the motoring press. And will it's lighter engine it's handling should also be praised more than my S5 as well.

[Drivethru]

Well thats not what ive heard from good sources, we will see..

[Mockenrue]

Care to share with us what you have heard? :thumb:

[tvrfan]

Well thats not what ive heard from good sources, we will see..

your working at audi right? you dont heard from good sources that the S4 becomes a Biturbo? how did you come to that reason? from later rumors?

what do you think, biturbo or supercharger?

[IhateRWD]

i know from my source that it will be biturbo not supercharged, but let's wait for it.

[The Pretender]

i know from my source that it will be biturbo not supercharged, but let's wait for it.
Your source it telling you out of date info.

Jarod.

[JWC]

Leadfoot you are wrong bud. "IF" Audi uses the twinscrew SC they do not build boost progressively they HIT once the throttle is hit. MY Supercharged twinscrew Mustang put down 498 FT. of Tq. at 1800 RPM in less than .5 of a second from smashing the gas. The snail type (centrifigul) superchargers such as Vortex and Paxton build boost similar to a turbo but slower with less hit. And to Kram the tq curve on a twin screw is flat as a table top from around 1800 on.

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot you are wrong bud. "IF" Audi uses the twinscrew SC they do not build boost progressively they HIT once the throttle is hit. MY Supercharged twinscrew Mustang put down 498 FT. of Tq. at 1800 RPM in less than .5 of a second from smashing the gas. The snail type (centrifigul) superchargers such as Vortex and Paxton build boost similar to a turbo but slower with less hit. And to Kram the tq curve on a twin screw is flat as a table top from around 1800 on.

Well I did say I knew little about superchargers and clearly this proves it. Will shut up until I know more. :D

P.S.
Behaving like a turbo does sound interesting, how far up the rev range does the peak stay till, is it similar to that of a turbo or is it less or more?

[JWC]

No problem Leadfoot. The twinscrews don't fall off at the top they just keep pulling and pulling. Some of the Centrifigul SC guys like to claim that but it's simply not true. They really don't act like turbos either but closer as you have a direct "hit" feeling when the boost comes on. Some turbos, usually aftermarket or hybrids such as the 28/18g's on my TT Porsche have a very hard hit when they come on. The twinscrew SC's have this hit feeling if you will. The twinscrew SC's feel like a car on Nos if you have ever experienced that. Go to Kenne Bell web site and look at the dyno graphs it may help you see what I am trying to say; I am not much when it comes to explaining something with my two fingers LOL.

[Leadfoot]

Thanks JWC, will do that.

I take it the examples you are describing are all aftermarket fitments, if so then I wonder how they will differ to the S4 as I reckon Audi will look a smoother transition of torque. The big hit you are describing sounds to brutal for a polished product like the S4 but maybe I am misunderstanding your meaning of the experience.

[JWC]

The hit is brutal as you increase Boost levels. My 03 Cobra had low boost when stock and the hit with the 4.6 engine was good but in no way brutal. The smaller v6 engine twinscrew "if" Audi does it won't be hard/brutal but you won't have to wait like the snail types MB used on their cars. I should have made it clear, my bad. You see my mind is always looking at modding something and with SC's its very easy. I was mostly speaking to the folks that think they would be stuck with a slow V6 Audi.

[tvrfan]

how is modding on a Kompressor? i read several times, a turbo has more potential for tuning to put more power out. and turbos can put way more power out than compressors. what do you think, how many hp from a 3.0 V6 valvelift kompressor 333hp S4 will we see maximum, or what is makeable, and how many hps with a Biturbo for compare????

[Leadfoot]

how is modding on a Kompressor? i read several times, a turbo has more potential for tuning to put more power out. and turbos can put way more power out than compressors. what do you think, how many hp from a 3.0 V6 valvelift kompressor 333hp S4 will we see maximum, or what is makeable, and how many hps with a Biturbo for compare????

I think you have to look at things based on stock parts to get a true comparison. So no changing of either the turbos or the SC.

But if you where to look at it the turbos produce more when modded they you would be wrong, 5000+hp can be got from a SCv8, I personally don't know of any turbo engines kicking out that much with similar capacity. :D

[JWC]

I really can't guess until I see the SC they use "if" the use one at all. Increasing psi/power output on a SC set up is easy; you swap pullies smaller pulley = more power. Oh, course changing PSI you need to re-tune. With Turbos and SC's you are limited to the safe usuable PSI/ CFM the units can put out. For example when I changed the pulley on my 03 Cobra I went from stock 380 RWHP to 470 RWHP (cost was 49.00 pulley and $400.00 tuning). Then the stock Eaton SC was maxed due to puting out more heat than pressure. I swaped to a twinscrew SC with about the same boost level (15 PSI) and jumped to 565 RWHP. I would WAG on a 3.0 motor with a twin screw getting 400 AWHP is very doable. Oh, on my TT 996 Porsche the stock K24 compressors are limited to around 400/450 or so AWHP so I had them changed to Hybrids K24/18 G's now I have around 560 AWHP with supporting ECU and fuel of course. This little project cost around $6,000.00 or so. We will have to see what Audi has planned for us but I have confidence in them.

[tvrfan]

hmmm but you can get higher psi (boost) on the biturbos compared to the compressor right?.

[The Pretender]

hmmm but you can get higher psi (boost) on the biturbos compared to the compressor right?.
All depending on the SC size.
The TVS product family will concist of the following models:
R350, R410, R530, R660, R900, R1050, R1320, R1650, R1900, R2300,

Dimensions and Displacemant for all models:


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w/72mm min dia pulley</td> <td width="105">A - Min
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Jarod.

[JWC]

Good info Jarod. Tvrfan with a turbo as a general rule you can run more boost /higher pressure than a SC at the same octane levels. But SC's (twinscrews) can allow for more CFM at lower pressures. It's a game of what do you need or want and with the proper selections either will get you there. The MB E55 runs a twin screw and lots of owners perfer it over the NA 6.3's they run now. They miss the low end grunt and instant Tq.

[quattrogeek]

Stock boost levels should be around a safe and reliable 6-7 psi (turbo or sc) Should the S4 come with the blower option, i'm sure a smaller pulley and some tune running 10 to 11 psi of boost will easily push the supercharged 3.0 to 320-350 awhp.

Not sure if you can safely run more than 12-13 pounds of boost on a twin screw..someone else can maybe chime in on that.

Turbo charging is a great idea, however the stock turbo's will probably have some sort of ceiling as well close to 18psi.

Friend of mine is running a vf supercharger on his E46 M3 and he puts down a very stout 520 whp, with headers, 3:91 gears, pulleys, intercooler, and meth injection.

[JWC]

There are guys with twin screws running 22-26 PSI. I ran 15 PSI on my cobra with no issues on pump gas (93 oct.).

[Chuvips]

neither Q5 nor S4 in Geneva!:( So, maybe any kind of new info?

[The Pretender]

neither Q5 nor S4 in Geneva!:( So, maybe any kind of new info?
Q5 debut @ beijing 22 of april.

Jarod.

[Marv]

Everyone seems to be thinking V6 3.0 either super or turbo charged circa 330hp for the new S4.

Yesterday I was thinking a bit "outside the box" as they say. The new inline 5 for the TT-RS is also rumoured to put out about 330hp. I wonder if that engine would fit longitudinally in the new A4? I don't actually think Audi would use this as they probably want the kudos of a V6 in this class of car but I'd personally love to see it. The inline 5 in my mid 90s S2 was awesome and so full of character:wo:

[The Pretender]

I'm also a big fan of the past Audi inline 5 engine's especially the 315 hp RS2 engine.
But the problem with the new 5 cylinder engine is that it have only 2.3 litre of volume.
Further is it still not clear if it will be a inline 5 or a VR5 engine.
3.0 V6 FSI SC is the better option IMHO.

Jarod.

[Marv]

Jarod

Is the new 5 cylinder to be based on the 1.8 not the 2.0 then? Based on 2.0 inline 5 would have 2.5 litres which is not far off 2.67 of original B5 RS4 and that was 380hp off the shelf with huge tuning possibility :hahahehe:. Imagine if Audi did twin sequential turbos for it :revs:

[The Pretender]

Jarod

Is the new 5 cylinder to be based on the 1.8 not the 2.0 then? Based on 2.0 inline 5 would have 2.5 litres which is not far off 2.67 of original B5 RS4 and that was 380hp off the shelf with huge tuning possibility :hahahehe:. Imagine if Audi did twin sequential turbos for it :revs:
The inline 5 info that i have say its based on the new EA888 R4 1.8 TFSI engine, what make it a 2248cc R5.
But Audi is also testing a 2.3 (2324cc) VR5 TFSI in a TT testmule.

Jarod.

[The Pretender]

http://images32.fotosik.pl/284/bf9cdf68f1926914.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl)
http://images30.fotosik.pl/229/caa9dde9879a12ee.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl)
http://images33.fotosik.pl/285/fef2c395c00d9c89.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl)
http://images31.fotosik.pl/284/8e1699b169ccfc42.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl)

Jarod.

[Senne]

Isn't there a video?
I would like to hear how it sounds.

[Marv]

There was lots of speculation about the next generation quattro torque vectoring being in this car. Does anyone know what the latest facts or gossips are about this?

[Leadfoot]

I honestly don't know if it's going to be launched with the S4, I know it's been tested for quite a while with Quattro3 in both S4 and S5 and originally I was told it would be there but as things has gotten closer to launch things have gone very quite.

I haven't heard if what you are seeing here is the final body looks but personally I hope not because this is mega boring. It looks very much stock 1.9TDi with quad pipes and big alloys.

For a car that intends to steal sales from both the C350 and 335i what we see here is going to have to be very special in both the performance and handling department.

[011]

Shame is that it is not Twin-Screw but Roots that will be on S4

[The Pretender]

Shame is that it is not Twin-Screw but Roots that will be on S4
It is a twin screw that will be on the new S4. ;)

Jarod.

[JWC]

Twin Screw is that the final answer?

[The Pretender]

Twin Screw is that the final answer?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/scuk/Other/DSC_0232.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/scuk/Other/DSC_0233.jpg

Jarod.

[011]

It is a twin screw that will be on the new S4. ;)

Jarod.

TVS type SC from Eaton is Roots - at least that is what Eaton is declaring (http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServices/PerformanceProducts/Products/Superchargers/TVS/index.htm).

[JWC]

Ok what is the Hp and Tq figures?

[The Pretender]

Ok what is the Hp and Tq figures?
For the S4 something like 333 hp.

Jarod.

[JWC]

Thanks...not to bad.

[The RS6]

I don't think I saw the avant here...sorry if it's a repost...

http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/2009-audi-s4-avant-7.jpg
http://globalmotors.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/2009-audi-s4-avant-4.jpg

http://globalmotors.net/spy-pictures-2009-audi-s4-avant/