RS4 does the ring in 7:58 Stock!!!

[AuditudeA642]

Here is a short part of the list:
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.php?f=10&i=16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R (*free of the speed limiter standard on UK versions, so it was discounted)
www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228511/
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf

8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:01.84 153.984 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder, 520 PS/1760 kg, www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=14111&artikel_seite=1
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Audi R8, 420 PS/1595 kg (sport auto 07/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=133046
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCTb65ufbxg&mode=user&search=
8:03.86 153.519 km/h -- Honda NSX http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07) www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=145617


Here is the link:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073

[Erik]

Gee I wonder who the source for that time is ;)

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7570&highlight=7%3A58

It's me if you wonder.

[RussianM3_dude]

Is this time for real? Can I post it on a BMW forum?

[Erik]

Is this time for real? Can I post it on a BMW forum?

Yes, it's what Frank Stipler told me.

Please post on numerous BMW forums and tell us the links so we can enjoy the reading. :lovl:

Don't forget to include that the RS4 has 2 more doors than then M3, and that the Pirelli Corsas aren't as good as the Michelins. :hihi:

:cheers:

[Leadfoot]

Yes, it's what Frank Stipler told me.

Please post on numerous BMW forums and tell us the links so we can enjoy the reading. :lovl:

Don't forget to include that the RS4 has 2 more doors than then M3, and that the Pirelli Corsas aren't as good as the Michelins. :hihi:

:cheers:

Talking on tyres, do Goodyear not make an equivalent to the Corsas?

[Toto89]

7:58 sounds realistic for RS4 but how the hell can be the R8 slower on the ring than a RS4?

[Leadfoot]

7:58 sounds realistic for RS4 but how the hell can be the R8 slower on the ring than a RS4?

The R8's time is slower and I think even Sportauto knows this and are going to re-test it. But you also have to remember that one is a world class racing driver (Frank Stipler) and the other in the Sportauto test isn't (Horst). This will make a difference but by who much is anyone's guess.

Like all here I was expecting the R8 to break below the 8mins barrier in the hands of Sportauto and still believe it will when it's re-tested.

[Toto89]

Yes, i forgot about the drivers. But it's difficult to compare results with different drivers. Strange to see that 997 Carrera S is faster with Walter Röhl behind the wheel than 996 GT3!

[RussianM3_dude]

Was that RS4 standard brakes and no SS?

[Leadfoot]

Was that RS4 standard brakes and no SS?

To the best of my knowledge the RS4s in both runs were identical. So either the weather/track conditions were worse or Horst isn't in the same class or a bit of both.;)

[RussianM3_dude]

Erm? so how was it equipped then? The 7.58 one?

[Leadfoot]

Ceramic brakes, Corsas and SS+ I believe. Ask Erik because he did speak to Frank.

[RussianM3_dude]

I actually think, that the 'NRing infatuation is getting silly. I mean how close will mere mortals come to these numbers anyways?

[KK265]

To the best of my knowledge the RS4s in both runs were identical. So either the weather/track conditions were worse or Horst isn't in the same class or a bit of both.;)
No.I drove the same (Neckarsulm instructor told me) car (Frank Stippler's) 2-3 months later from 7.58 and had steel front discs.Also 25.000 km on the clock I remember.There is a video of this event with Stippler.I have a back up off this.For sure i can say that this car had very short gear distances.When I bought my car I unterstood the difference.I was impressed.If anybody drives a Honda S2000 can imagine the half of travel between the changes of gears.

[Z07]

7:58 sounds realistic for RS4 but how the hell can be the R8 slower on the ring than a RS4?
In the right hands, the question isn't whether the R8 can break 8:00 but whether it can break 7:50.

On a separate note, ceramic brakes aren't always the best choice for a one-off sprint lap, as they take time to warm up. Gemballa used to find this when they were testing modified 993s at the 'ring.

[Leadfoot]

Sportauto according to KersoF1 has already re-tested the R8 and it's new official time from them is 7:58, so you assume that with someone the likes of Frank Stipler behind the wheel a similar 11 seconds that was improved with the RS4 could once again be relies then your estimates of a 7:50 or less could possibly be true.

[RussianM3_dude]

So let's restate. What was the set up of the 7.58 car?

On BMW forums they say, Corsas/SS/Ceramics.

[Leadfoot]

So let's restate. What was the set up of the 7.58 car?

On BMW forums they say, Corsas/SS/Ceramics.

This is what I though it was when Frank did his lap time but one the other said it was running on normal brakes, either way the track isn't meant to be that hard of brakes and the Ceramics will only improve the steering feel and crispness on turn-in.

The funny thing is that I was told a long time ago that the SS+ setup didn't perform as well on the ring as the standard suspension but because the difference wasn't huge they chose that for the supertest as the SS+ made a bigger difference accordingly on the Hockenheim circuit, don't know if there was any truth in it but there you go. :brag:

But if true would it have improved the ring time be a couple of seconds........makes you wonder. :vhmmm:

[Erik]

So let's restate. What was the set up of the 7.58 car?

On BMW forums they say, Corsas/SS/Ceramics.



I met Frank and 7:58 is what he told me. We didn't have a 10 minute conversation if you know what I mean.

I don't remember all details from our conversation, but to my best guess the car had Corsas. If it has SS or Ceramic brakes I don't think will make a huge difference on the time.

It's amazing how far this "7:58" time has spread, and I also note that when the story comes back (It was started here, in the thread mentioned by me above) detials have been added and removed. :D


http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7570&highlight=7%3A58
"According to F. Stippler he drive the Audi RS4 around the Nürbrugring in 7.58 with P Zero Corsa."

[Mori]

I actually think, that the 'NRing infatuation is getting silly. I mean how close will mere mortals come to these numbers anyways?

BMW guys started this trend AFAIR. :P

[Boosted-Bora]

im glad to see the RS4 did better than the E92 M3 i told my friend but he swore that the M was better and M GmbH had a few years to beat it.......:lovl:

[Xpower]

OK so let me get this straight. The 7:58 time is what someone on this here forum overheard someone else say they ran. So it's heresay. There is no actual time with transponders or official testing equipment or whatever.

Also this time is with some other driver than the normal Sport Auto tests. So my question is, is this "heresay" time comparable to the official times for other cars? If someone on another forum hears about a competitor's car running a better time in the hands of some other expert driver will that also count? Unbelievable that this "heresay" has spread onto so many lists as if it really happened.

[Erik]

Unbelievable that this "heresay" has spread onto so many lists as if it really happened.

Basically you are right.

I personally asked Frank Stipler about the time and he replied.
If a famous race driver states he drives a specific car in time X I think it's something to believe.

But is it compareable to the Sport Auto time? Not really.
First of all Sport Auto runs a full lap, minus section T13.

Which distance did Frank drive? Was it Sport Auto lap, or more possibly a full lap or a BTG time? I don't know.

[Leadfoot]

Erik,

You are on to something there, what if the manufacturers times are indeed based on the full lap and not the slightly shorter Sport Auto one. It would explain why there isn't a bigger difference in times comparisons. As good as Horst is I don't believe he is of the caliber to come within 10 seconds of someone like Frank Stipler.

[Fab]

I personally remember this 7:58 time announced at the very beggining of the RS4 prod. This is not something coming out now. Yes it is unofficial. To cut it short this simply proves that the RS4 can do a bit better than its official ring time which is good. Probably other sports cars could achieve better than the "official Horst time".