Audi RS4 Avant vs BMW M5 Touring [Archive] - RS6.com

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 07:32

Sh.... this is pure humiliation :doh:

Of course I would expect the M5 to outperform the RS4 but that much makes me cry :cry: The RS4 seems like the hand brake is on.

The is "only" 80hp in favor of the M5 which weights also more. But in the vid it seems like there is 200hp difference !

Mmm

November 2nd, 2007, 07:39

A V10 is a very strong engine up top.

ZeroCool

November 2nd, 2007, 07:46

A V10 is sure a strong engine...but i can't believe this...

0-200 km/h RS4: 15,6 sec.
0-200 km/h M5: 13,5 sec.

2 Seconds...for me the difference on the video seems to be really more than 2 Seconds...i don't know...

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 08:21

The time you mention is the RS4 sedan best 0-200kmh, the avant is more on the high 16/low 17sec on this exercise.

As usual the drive can influence a bit the result but here this is a clear kill :bigeyes:

Mmm

November 2nd, 2007, 09:40

2 seconds is a massive gap anyway. Word it out in metres.

Leadfoot

November 2nd, 2007, 10:06

The difference looks to be about right to me, I have seen a race between a GT3 and the new M3 and though there is only about 2 secs between them to 200km/h the visual gap looks huge.

Also the gap would be reduced with the RS4 having DSG but as this will never be the case in the B7 RS4 the result here will always be the same.

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 10:13

Absolutely correct guys.

My statement is/was more emotional seing the RS4 like glued on the tarmac while the M5 flies :(

On the other hand I remember a recent match RS4 avant, M5 touring, E55 AMG touring on the french magasine Sport Auto and excepted pure chronos the RS4 was the clear winner : Sport feeling, dynamic, brakes, etc.

I will still prefer 100x the RS4 versus the other 2 no matter about chronos :rs4kiss:

RussianM3_dude

November 2nd, 2007, 10:38

M5 shifts faster too due to SMG.

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 10:48

obviously and this is part of the result.

Sad anyway :vgrumpy:

Leadfoot

November 2nd, 2007, 11:36

It's a shame we didn't see another standing start race like the one against the M3. I would have loved to seen how soon the M5 would have overhauled the RS4.

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 11:43

Standing start is obviously 4x4 strength but finally if you really consider it looking at some of the vids like this M3/RS4 the gap is not that big for the 4x4 and this gap is pretty quickly closed by the rear wheel drive car.

So excepted for very short 100-200m red light run it is great or on slippery conditions otherwise it is just a "false joy" as you know that you will be finally overtaken.

Of course 997 TT and some others can handle high speed as well but Audi is definitely suffering from 100kmh onward

mbolo

November 2nd, 2007, 12:39

The silver Avant ran poorly during the entire day. I wouldn't say it was a good representative of the RS4 performance. I for instance took it with 5-8 car lengths, as did the red sedan several times.

Most likely it was driver-related, but the car seemed to perform poorly from launch to finish. Driver complained he was used to his Porsche gearbox..

Nonetheless, an RS4 will never be a proper match for an M5, it's as simple as that. The humilitation shouldn't have been that total though..

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 13:57

KarlMarx

November 2nd, 2007, 15:01

Do you think the M3 would be similarly humiliated by an RS6 then?

Leadfoot

November 2nd, 2007, 15:23

Do you think the M3 would be similarly humiliated by an RS6 then?

Fair point and you are correct, even the M3 would have been easily beaten by the M5 but against the RS6 not only it will be humiliated I reckon the M5 will as well.

Especially in a standing start race.

Erik

November 2nd, 2007, 15:26

Do you think the M3 would be similarly humiliated by an RS6 then?

Your question made my Friday a bit merrier. Now all I need is to lit up the BBQ and get some of the gold starred chilean wine I bought today. :cheers:
It's been a goood week. :deal: :king:

Another thing we can enjoy is the fact that the 420 hp RS4 beats the M5 on Nürburgring, the real home territory (or what used to be) for the M cars. :incar:

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 18:55

On the usual rolling start we are used to watch from M5Board I will not bet money on the new RS6 vs the M5 :vhmmm:

Mmm

November 2nd, 2007, 19:05

Do you think the M3 would be similarly humiliated by an RS6 then?

Audi claims the new RS6 does 15.1 to 200. Auto Zeitung tested the M3 to 15.2 to 200. With another mag getting low 15's as well.

So no, I don't think even the new RS6 will humiliate the M3.

BTW, 2 mags have got M6's to 200 in 12.8.

Fab

November 2nd, 2007, 19:12

well low 15ish is a great time. If several mags confirm it then the M3 turns to be much faster than what most of us thought couple of weeks ago when the first reviews came out.

The RS6 will not do much better I think but slightly better probably. But I really look forward to watching THE match new RS6 vs M5 and M6 :cool2:

Mmm

November 2nd, 2007, 19:41

The RS6 will not do much better I think but slightly better probably. But I really look forward to watching THE match new RS6 vs M5 and M6 :cool2:

M6's have run 12.8. M5's run low 13's - 13.8.

Audi claim 15.0. I don't know, even if it beats their claim, I doubt it will beat it by 2 seconds. I may end up running 14.4-14.6 to 200 under ideal conditions.

It will definitely beat an M3. Humiliate it, I'm not sure. But I doubt it will beat a V10, especially after 100mph. You seen in this video how the V10 runs at high speeds. You couldn't even see it in the video at the end.

Kram

November 2nd, 2007, 23:41

Leadfoot

November 2nd, 2007, 23:55

I know that the figures for the RS6 are on the conservative side, I was told as much a long time ago, the same applies to the power figures by the way.

It got not only more power than the M5 and M6 but it has more torque as well and this is not only low down but also at high revs as well. If you reckon the M5 will be better than the RS6 is acceleration then it will be by very little indeed, personally I reckon it will be the one that is quicker.

AndyBG

November 3rd, 2007, 02:42

RS 6 Avant vs M5 Touring vs E 63 AMG T, that is going to be ''shoot out'' of the decade, I can't wait to see that ! :hahahehe:

BTW, when those M5ers are going to leave RS 4 :rs4kiss: alone, it isn't in the M5 class, anyway !

Now, ''big brother'' :addict: is here, so let them try to ''bully'' him. :jlol: :rs6kiss:

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 06:56

In the last edition of the German Sport Auto Magazine a M5 did 14,3sec to 200km/h. :deal:

2seconds at 200km/h is ~110m. About 2 seconds at 260km/h (the speed that they should be seeing on the airfield) the distance is close to 150m, so the video shows just that. :rolleyes:

he new RS6 should be quicker than the M5 Wagon by at least 0,5sec, so the distance to the new M3 should be almost the same. :addict:

14.3 is the slowest M5 test to date. Must have been a wagon as well.

Even so, 14.3 is STILL faster than 15.0 Audu claim. Even if they are claiming conservative numbers, surely you guys see that it not going to be more than 0.5-0.6 faster than the claimed number. If you run the figures through any performance simulator (like CarTest), it siumulatea the Rs6 will run 14.8 to 200. So Audi's claims are about right for the weight, power & gearing.

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 11:33

Am I the only one who has a problem with these arm chair roadtests (cartest software) if you check out what the RS4 should be capable of you will see 17s is the result, but it has done documented times as low as 15.5s. The same we happen with the RS6.

OK, Mmm you are right and the RS6 won't be as quick as the M5.

It's always better to be the underdog in any battle as the win is always the more sweeter.:hihi:

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 12:07

The simulator says the RS4 can run 15.5 under ideal conditions. It's simple physics to predict what a car can run if you have all the data. For the new RS6 Audi say 15.0. The simulator says 15.0.

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 13:25

The simulator says the RS4 can run 15.5 under ideal conditions. It's simple physics to predict what a car can run if you have all the data. For the new RS6 Audi say 15.0. The simulator says 15.0.

At pray what does it say for the Enzo, Veyron, and the Caparo F1 or the M5, McLaren F1 or SLR. The problem with all these software set-ups is they base everything on PTW plus gearing. In this both the McLaren and Koenigsegg ccrx should be able to beat the Veyron but we all know that is not the case.

Armchair roadtester, that's all you are.

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 13:30

Fab

November 3rd, 2007, 14:58

No need to go that far with advanced software... As stated the 0-200kmph figures are in favour of the M5/M6 vs the new RS6

Upcoming runs will very this. I look forward to it :revs:

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 15:39

IT predicts EXACTLY what the Veyron should run. It's a very advanced piece of software. Some car manufacturer's use simulators to predict performance.

But you conveniently ignore that Audi also claim 15.0.

And because you are an armchair racer, don't assume other people are.

And what did it say for the CRRX and the McLaren or was it a case that neither of these fitted in to your neat little box so were disregarded.

I am not an armchair racer, that is why I don't use simulator to work things out :harass: unlike some.

Pit

November 3rd, 2007, 16:02

think RS6 and the current M5 will be similar. The RS6 will get problems with
the 575bhp M5....

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 17:40

And what did it say for the CRRX and the McLaren or was it a case that neither of these fitted in to your neat little box so were disregarded.

I am not an armchair racer, that is why I don't use simulator to work things out :harass: unlike some.

Forget the simulator. Audi claim 15.0. The simulator jusr corroborates their claim.

audi_ch

November 3rd, 2007, 19:20

My opinion rs6 and m5 touring will be equal, with slow adventage on higher speed for m5.

Poinst for rs6, horse power

points for m5 wight and no quattro power los in higher speed.

Of cours standing starts for our rs6.

does somebody now the official times 0-200 for the m5

quattro i think says 14,9 for the rs6

but they also say that for the r8, but i never saw any test, the r8 performing that well, but sure the v10 engine is an other story

what do you think

ZeroCool

November 3rd, 2007, 20:09

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 20:34

@audi_ch...

look at this figures...

M5 Touring:
=========

373kw/507PS -> 7750 U/Min
520 Nm -> 6100 U/Min
1955kg
250km/h
4,8 sec
15 l/100km
361 g/km

RS6 Avant:
========

426kw/580PS -> 6250 - 6700 U/Min
650Nm -> 1500 - 6250 U/Min
2024kg
250km/h
4,6 sec
13,9 l/100km
331 g/km

Do you really think, that this 69kg is the point? i don't think...
i'm really sure that the RS6 will destroy the M5...

There is only one thing that will determine how these two cars will accelerate against each other and I have highlighted them in BOLD.:hihi:

By the way Mmm, I forgot to mention that I know the RS6 will beat it's quoted 0-100 and 0-200 times and I know what one of them is and it isn't 4.6s.;)

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 20:44

By the way Mmm, I forgot to mention that I know the RS6 will beat it's quoted 0-100 and 0-200 times and I know what one of them is and it isn't 4.6s.;)

It may well beat the claims slightly. I rate it may run 14.6 to 200 under ideal conditions.

A car obeys the laws of physics no matter what words you type on your keyboard.

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 20:49

It may well beat the claims slightly. I rate it may run 14.6 to 200 under ideal conditions.

A car obeys the laws of physics no matter what words you type on your keyboard.

I'm curious, what horsepower figures and torque figures are you typing in to your keyboard. ;)

And another thing, do you know what it's gearing is, as I don't.

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 20:57

I'm curious, what horsepower figures and torque figures are you typing in to your keyboard. ;)

And another thing, do you know what it's gearing is, as I don't.

The horsepower & torque figures are the ones from Audi.

The gearing I assumed the same as the S6. Won't make much difference as the torque will limit any "marvelous" revelations on the gearing side.

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 21:06

Well I look forward to seeing a few roadtests to just see if my gut feeling is right or your simulator. ;)

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 21:14

Well I look forward to seeing a few roadtests to just see if my gut feeling is right or your simulator. ;)

Been using it from 2001 & it's never been wrong. Not that hard to work out. Say, did I mention Audi claim the same as the sim?

ZeroCool

November 3rd, 2007, 21:23

what does your simulator said for the new RS4? also the times which audi claimed or something else?

because i know some examples where the rs4 was tested faster than audi said...

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 21:31

It says the RS4 will run 15.5 to 200 in ideal conditions:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1893-1/RS4_001.JPG

Here's the specs I used for the RS6:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1896-1/RS6_001.JPG

There are far more detailed specs in the simulator engine.

Acceleration runs:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1899-1/RS6a_001.JPG

0-200 in 15 secs:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1902-1/RS6b_001.JPG

But listen all this doesn't matter. Audo claim the same so it's right. Unless the car is underrated by 100hp or weighs less than 1900kg, it isn't going to get close to 14.0 to 200.

ZeroCool

November 3rd, 2007, 21:39

ZeroCool

November 3rd, 2007, 21:43

do you wrote this simulation? or is it a software which you can buy? if so, where can i find it...it would be interesting to me...

Mmm

November 3rd, 2007, 21:44

but you had in your simulation 650Nm at 6100rpm...but it's from 1500 - 6250 rpm... don't you think that there is a little difference?

can you tell me the time for RS4 to 100? i can see it on the Picture but cannot read the exact time to 100

Yes I plotted the curve for more accuracy. There is the option to plot the whole curve or just put in the peak numbers & let the simulator plot the curve. If I put the torque peak earlier it GET SLOWER. Reason being its always better to have torque later in a racing situation.

The 0-100 for the RS4 was 4.4 seconds, but the simulator assumes ideal conditions. So its a "best-case" scenario.

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 23:11

I see that in your chart the RS6 is reaching 100km/h in roughly 4.4s and this is with a launch revs of only 1400rpm. That figure is ahead of Audi's own quoted estimates and all this from such a low launch speed, also does this simulator factor in for automatic transmissions which swap gears in less than 100ms or it is basing it's estimates on 0.2s per shift for a manual.

You see I see lots of problems and faults with your simulator like the shift times which look to be roughly 0.3s and where the changes are happening, like 2nd gear finishing at 80km/h (50mph) and 3rd at 135km/h (84.5mph) and then 4th at 175km/h (110mph).

Maybe you did notice this but all of those gear changes are quite a bit off, my S4 changed from 2nd to 3rd at 67mph and from 3rd to 4th at 98mph while 4th gear finish at 122mph, all well above your estimate and it ran out of puff at 168mph just a bit below the 7000mph mark. The RS6 is designed to run without limiter to 200mph at which point it will most likely be sitting near the 7000rph limiter. Do you notice something, there is a 30mph gap between the RS6 and my S4 at the same revs but your simulator isn't even matching my gear changes, the RS6 will be even higher than mine, so you see there is lots of things wrong with what you are posting.

Like I said I know a bit more about the RS6's abilities than you. You are guessing, that's the difference. ;)

Leadfoot

November 3rd, 2007, 23:29

Rutkowsky

November 4th, 2007, 01:31

any word of when will we see new RS6 in action? And of topic, new M3 @8400 rpm in 3rd gear does 180km/h and what does RS4 do in 3rd max?

Sanjuro

November 4th, 2007, 01:55

My guess would be the flat torque curve is not going to be a negative somehow. Only one way to find out how fast it is to wait for Magazines to get it but my guess is it will be a lot faster than the claims - right now all they have done is say it matches the R8.

Audifan92

November 4th, 2007, 02:10

Mabey the M5 Touring was modified but not by much?

Mmm

November 4th, 2007, 07:19

In fact if you remove one gear shift and cut each of the other gear shift times to 0.1s then the RS6 is covering the 200km/h mark in 14.2s instead of 15.0s.

Maybe your simulator is that far off the mark, just the person putting in the data.

Call it human error, shall we. :lovl:

The shifts are 0,2 ms. And the shifts are CALCULATED for the optimum points. As you can see in the graph.

Also leadie, I see you have no idea what you are talking about. Adjusting the shift time doesn't yield massive increases in ET. When you shift you don't stand still for 0.2 seconds. You are travelling at whatever speed you were traveling before the shift. You are not ACCELERATING during the shift, but you miost certainly are still going forward at good speed.

So you can't just subtract time for faster shift & add them up. IT doesn't work like that. I can make all the shifts 0.0001 seconds & it will make the total time maybe 0.1 faster.

There is nothing wrong with the sim. If it showed something you like, then you would be all for it. It is right for EVERY CAR I ever tested.

But like I said, forget about the sim, Audi claim the same. It can't be all that wrong then, can it?

Mmm

November 4th, 2007, 07:38

IF you guys want a very good simulator I also use Drag RAcing Analyzer Pro by www.performancetrends.com (http://www.performancetrends.com) To give you an idea of how accurate this is, some of the NHRA top fuel & dragster teams use it to simulate their times. Especially if they make changes to the car or are going to a new track & aren'y sure what gear ratios/etc to use.

It only does 1/4 mile, so we can't do 0-200. But I plugged in the RS6 data & it gave me the same 1/4 mile that CarTest did with the same trap. 12.2 @ 181 km/h (113mph).

Mmm

November 4th, 2007, 08:12

In fact if you remove one gear shift and cut each of the other gear shift times to 0.1s then the RS6 is covering the 200km/h mark in 14.2s instead of 15.0s.

Maybe your simulator is that far off the mark, just the person putting in the data.

Call it human error, shall we. :lovl:

Ok so I changed the final drive to 3.2, which is what the previous RS6 had. If I were in charge of gearing I personally wouldn't do that. I would leave it with the S6 gearing (Which is probably what they will do). Reason being the RS6 has power & torque peak which is almost NA. But hey, just for you I put in the longer gears. Here's the geared speeds with the 3.2 final drive:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1905-1/RS6_GearedSpeeds_3_2FD.JPG

And here's the 0-200 time. IT is now 0.2 SLOWER, the 1/4 mile also went 0.2 slower to 12.4. A car which makes good power at high rpm always benefits from shorter gearing:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1908-1/RS6_3_2FD.JPG

I think maybe you should leave the simulating to the simulator & you do whatever it is you do best.

Erik

November 4th, 2007, 08:35

Mmm, your post are very familiar...

And by coincidence the pictures you are posting lead directly to a banned member's gallery. (M&M)

Having a hard time to stay away from the cookies? Let me help you by banning you once again, the pleasure is all mine.

I think this is now the third of fourth time I had to ban a user created by you. Why can't you learn?

http://mmm.os.org.za/main.php

Your gallery says it all.

Busted...!

PS Those dyno graphs, are they from your :harass: old BMW 325? Couldn't afford the real thing :deal: , but had to hang around here telling how good M cars on an Audi forum? :lovl:
How mature. Please grow up. :trash:

Leadfoot

November 4th, 2007, 08:45

Well at least this time round he was a bit better mannered. He's still wrong you know, regardless of what his simulator is saying. Of this I know. ;)

Erik

November 4th, 2007, 08:55

Well at least this time round he was a bit better mannered.

Even a donkey can learn.

Fab

November 4th, 2007, 09:16

a fully loaded RS6 will weight much more than 2050kg.

No doubt the RS6 will be a hell of a car but will not be capable enough to beat M5/M6 to 200kmph

understand me right I am not transforming myself in a pro BM guy :nono: but as a matter of fact BMs are quicker than Audis pure accel chronos

Leadfoot

November 4th, 2007, 09:29

Fab,

Remember this small point, on a standing start the M3 required about 130+mph before it got level with the RS4. The RS4 weighs roughly 75kgs more than the M3 while both engines are roughly producing the same power and torque over the exact same rev points right from 2000rpm up to 7500rpm.

The RS6 weight difference is exactly the same as the difference between the M3 and RS4 but this time round the power is much more, officially it's 14% more but unofficially it just short of 20% and as for the torque, well at it's closest point the M5 is still miles short of equaling the RS6 and as for the rest of the rev range it isn't even at the party.

Trust me when I say the RS6 will pull harder than the world champion tug-of-war team. :D

Fab

November 4th, 2007, 09:41

At the end of the day I really hope an RS can keep up to vmax with an equivalent BM model. I am a bit tired to see this BMs in front at high speed.

We all agree that straight lines is far away of being the only game... But my point is that on the Autobahn we know that a meeting with a BM will be a disapointment even if the drive can make a (small) difference.

Concerning the RS6/M5 I agree with your statement however we know that the M5 is faster 1.5s to 200kmh based on both chronos. Do you think this will be really different in a real drag race or rolling start ? Because even on a standing start the M5 with launch control is capable of sub 5 sec 0-100kmh it will than keep up with the RS6 a finally pass it. Which will make M5 Board so happy....

bastordd

November 4th, 2007, 10:55

The RS6 AVANT win the M5 touring!
Now it will be interesting to see the RS6 limosine and see the times of 0-100 km/h and 0-200 km/h! Because less weight I expected less 100 kg and more aerodynamic!
People must learn to wait for the car and then draw the conclusions

audi_ch

November 4th, 2007, 15:45

@audi_ch...

look at this figures...

M5 Touring:
=========

373kw/507PS -> 7750 U/Min
520 Nm -> 6100 U/Min
1955kg
250km/h
4,8 sec
15 l/100km
361 g/km

RS6 Avant:
========

426kw/580PS -> 6250 - 6700 U/Min
650Nm -> 1500 - 6250 U/Min
2024kg
250km/h
4,6 sec
13,9 l/100km
331 g/km

Do you really think, that this 69kg is the point? i don't think...
i'm really sure that the RS6 will destroy the M5...

Not the wight, but the quattro, eats horse power on higher speeds, and thats i disadventage over the m5, even if i am an audi fan, i have to admit that.

And thats why i think those cars will be pretty equal...

Leadfoot

November 4th, 2007, 21:06

I have owned 7 ///M cars & at present I have multiple cars. And yes one of them is an E30 325iS. As you have seen it has 600hp. Which is why I laugh at some comments on this forum about traction.

I has seen vid of the car on YOUTUBE, blue isn't it. Very impressive machine. :thumb:

Leadie, in that video Gustav lifted completely in the 1-2 shift. I don't even do that with a 600hp E30 with street tyres. If Gustav had more time with the car he would have figured a technique to get a swift quick shift to 2nd without having to lift & lose momentum, even with the cold tyres. Had he done so he would have passed the RS4 in 2nd gear.

Well when I get mine I have a few guys I know drive RS4s, I reckon we can stage or own drag race and see where the M3 can beat the RS4 from the off, here's hoping it's bone dry as I won't fancy my chances otherwise. :rolleyes:

Eric if you want to carry on running the place like Idi Amin then go ahead & ban me again. I have nothing to hide, I didn't try to hide my identity, nor did I say anything derogatory about Audi. I merely posted what a scientific simulator predicted, which is in line with what Audi themselves say.

Like I have already said, I know a bit more about the RS6's abilities than you clearly done, so let time be the judge. ;)

Leadfoot

November 4th, 2007, 21:09

Not the wight, but the quattro, eats horse power on higher speeds, and thats i disadventage over the m5, even if i am an audi fan, i have to admit that.

And thats why i think those cars will be pretty equal...

I agree that Quattro will take more of the power from the wheels but the difference is as marked as some dynos state. The RS6 even using dyno figures would still be producing more power and torque than an M5 so I am still predicating the RS6 to hold the advantage.

And this is before we factor in it's superior handling and brakes. ;)

rsPOWER

November 4th, 2007, 21:35

oh my god!!!!!im sure that rs6 avant will dominate that race and i cant wait too see it... quatro eats hp but in this case difference is too big.if audi loose this batlle,im gone send my rs4 immeadietly!!!:rs6kiss: but that is imposible!im gone buy rs6 + too destroy every bmw on highway:dig: has anyone info about presentation rs6+ sedan?
the day i bought AUDI changed my life:heart: go rs6!!!!!!

rsPOWER

November 4th, 2007, 21:37

rs6 power

Rutkowsky

November 5th, 2007, 00:07

:vhmmm: :vhmmm: :vhmmm: anyway, M3's quicker, RS4's safer in general. All i want to say is , I can't wait to test drive new RS6 but i don't like Avants much so the wait for sedan is still on, sadly

Fab

November 5th, 2007, 06:43

People must learn to wait for the car and then draw the conclusions Nobody is drawing conclusions here we simply discuss ;) This is why forums exist...

Darth Vader rs4

November 6th, 2007, 00:11

Nissan gt-r will beat all of them :) (for the price/performance best buy)

Gustav

November 27th, 2007, 18:59

We raced to more than 200 km/h, more like 270 km/h :jlol:

A V10 is sure a strong engine...but i can't believe this...

0-200 km/h RS4: 15,6 sec.
0-200 km/h M5: 13,5 sec.

2 Seconds...for me the difference on the video seems to be really more than 2 Seconds...i don't know...

Gustav

November 27th, 2007, 19:00

:lovl:

......

On the usual rolling start we are used to watch from M5Board I will not bet money on the new RS6 vs the M5 :vhmmm:

Gustav

November 27th, 2007, 19:02

True. Oops are you banned :vhmmm:

M6's have run 12.8. M5's run low 13's - 13.8.

Audi claim 15.0. I don't know, even if it beats their claim, I doubt it will beat it by 2 seconds. I may end up running 14.4-14.6 to 200 under ideal conditions.

It will definitely beat an M3. Humiliate it, I'm not sure. But I doubt it will beat a V10, especially after 100mph. You seen in this video how the V10 runs at high speeds. You couldn't even see it in the video at the end.

Gustav

November 27th, 2007, 19:04

You forgot gearing :)

@audi_ch...

look at this figures...

M5 Touring:
=========

373kw/507PS -> 7750 U/Min
520 Nm -> 6100 U/Min
1955kg
250km/h
4,8 sec
15 l/100km
361 g/km

RS6 Avant:
========

426kw/580PS -> 6250 - 6700 U/Min
650Nm -> 1500 - 6250 U/Min
2024kg
250km/h
4,6 sec
13,9 l/100km
331 g/km

Do you really think, that this 69kg is the point? i don't think...
i'm really sure that the RS6 will destroy the M5...

Gustav

November 27th, 2007, 19:08

sTANDARD BUT RMEOVED TOP SPEED LIMITER. iNIDIUAL BY THE WAY :)

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97689&highlight=BMW+M5+TOURING+INDIVIDUAL

Mabey the M5 Touring was modified but not by much?

Leadfoot

November 27th, 2007, 19:22

I don't think anyone is denying that the M6 will hold the upper hand in a rolling start race against the RS6 Avant, I am not sure the same will apply with the M5, especially in Estate form.

Carl Lassiter

November 27th, 2007, 19:32

Leadfoot

November 27th, 2007, 19:42

I think that from a dig the new RS6 would beat the M5 from 0-150mph but, if the limiters were removed, the gearing of the SMGIII would mean the M5 would hit the double ton first.

Turning on two-lane protected lefts when there's a RWD car next to you is the best thing about owning a fast Audi though.

I would probably agree with that, 7 gears will help, especially as the speed rises. But I think limiters removed it would be the RS6 that will hit the highest speed.

HKS786

November 27th, 2007, 19:45

I would probably agree with that, 7 gears will help, especially as the speed rises. But I think limiters removed it would be the RS6 that will hit the highest speed.

I agree on this, the RS6 would have a higher top speed. Let's not forget that 580bhp is an estimation, we've heard that the unnofficial power is 610bhp ;)

Leadfoot

November 27th, 2007, 19:48

I agree on this, the RS6 would have a higher top speed. Let's not forget that 580bhp is an estimation, we've heard that the unnofficial power is 610bhp ;)

Who said 610ps was unofficial, it's only unofficial if you are in the wrong circle. ;)

Gustav

January 16th, 2008, 16:33

We'll see!

Nice choise and congrats to the BMW M5! :applause:

I think that from a dig the new RS6 would beat the M5 from 0-150mph but, if the limiters were removed, the gearing of the SMGIII would mean the M5 would hit the double ton first.

Turning on two-lane protected lefts when there's a RWD car next to you is the best thing about owning a fast Audi though.

Erik R.

January 16th, 2008, 21:13

Sad sad...as leadfoot said, two seconds make a hell of a difference in distance...After seeing the movie i thought there were three possibilities :
1) this is a BMW commercial :harass:
2) this is a lousy Audi-driver :nono:
3) both of the above :dance:

Maybe some of it is true...?