Winter airfield event [Archive] - RS6.com

mbolo

October 29th, 2007, 11:14

I was at the airfield event, hosted by Gustav on M5board this weekend. Great event with plenty of interesting cars and people.

RS4 represented with two sedans and one avant. Avant had trouble with shifting meaning it didn't do well.

The Sedans raced the M3 on the other hand. From a rolling start (50km/h) the RS4 pulls very quickly. On the last end of the stretch the M3 gained quickly though. At this end, we're all doing 250 - 260km/h.. From 200km/h the M3 is without a doubt the faster car. It also sounds glorious as well once it's on higher revs.

From a standstill the RS4 walked the M3 twice, no competition. On the curves back to the start, the RS4 pulled the M3 as well. Something even Gustav admitted after following the RS4 drifting through a curve at 170 km/h! :rs4addict Videos will follow apparently.

In short, a great event with great people. Some really interesting results and friendly bantering between RS and M people. :cheers:

Erik

October 29th, 2007, 11:32

AndyBG

October 29th, 2007, 12:34

Looking at this little vid', once again I am can say that RS 4, looking from behind, is much, much better looking then M3...

BTW, looks like some great meeting you had there, I hope I will be able to attend on some thing like that in the future.

:cheers:

mbolo

October 29th, 2007, 16:07

Very interesting. I look forward to read more.

Edit: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=106374

I see Gustav's favourite word getting used again. "Humiliated"

The Ruf cars had to stay at home this time, we'll wait for next year and some harder competition than the M3 :D

I personally ran Gustavs M5, with my brother in his car. Even though I forgot to turn off ESP for this run :doh: I wouldn't have taken him. It's a seriously fast car, especially at higher speeds. Without ESP, it would have been much closer, but he'd still have won the race. As he's dynoed it to 440hp, it's no surprise really that he took the RS4. I've run several other E39 M5, and they obviously don't come close to his performance in stock.

Old discussion, modded vs original, but it's a fast car however you look at it. I wouldn't change mine anyway, simple as that. Oh, and Gustav may be the most violent shifter ever.. :incar:

mbolo

October 29th, 2007, 16:21

The Avant had a very poor day at the track. The other two RS4 sedans ran against it as well, and won with a huge gap every time.. Too bad, a great-looking car.

Only "humilitation" that day.

The RS4 and M3 ran at least one standing and one rolling start. There are vids from both.

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 11:29

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Erik

October 30th, 2007, 11:52

KK265

October 30th, 2007, 12:58

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 13:53

I just got one of the races on MMS.

Looks like the RS4 gave the new M3 a hard time from standing start.

If I was in the new M3 with an RS4 beside me at the red light I wouldn't be too confident about a win...

remember boys, this is a four-door versus a coupe, if it had been the new m3 four door it would have been dead even or slower than the rs. the 0-100 time in the m3 saloon is slower by 0.1 or more heheheh:jlol:

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 13:56

vroom
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rs4 and a true m3 :)
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mbolo

October 30th, 2007, 18:05

I just got one of the races on MMS.

Looks like the RS4 gave the new M3 a hard time from standing start.

If I was in the new M3 with an RS4 beside me at the red light I wouldn't be too confident about a win...

Whats also interesting in the end of the M3 vs RS4 vid, is the road back, "the twisties" as Gustav called them in the vid. The M3 clearly had problems keeping up with the RS4 here, which is surprising as this is usually BMW-territory. :rs4kiss:

Mmm

October 30th, 2007, 18:51

I just got one of the races on MMS.

Looks like the RS4 gave the new M3 a hard time from standing start.

If I was in the new M3 with an RS4 beside me at the red light I wouldn't be too confident about a win...

Well listen to how the M3 driver lifted off COMPLETELY into 2nd gear. He actually launched Ok & was just half a car behind the RS4 at the end of 1st gear. He should have fed the power in, instead of just snap-shifting & lighting up the rears. He lifted, revs dropped dramatically judging by the engine note, then reapplied the throttle. And yet he still caught the RS4.

A driver that would have kept the momentum into 2nd gear would have passed the RS4 in 2nd gear. I suspect most of the magazine tests are also due to the testers not having the ability to feed the power in.

Gustav

October 30th, 2007, 19:49

Yup, I spun the wheel too much, but surprisingly they didnt spin so much at the rolling start, than from the standing start? I belive it was because of colder tyres.

I had M Dynamic Mode engaged, I beleive the RS4 driver might had stability control off? I needed mroe drivetime withthe M3 to push it more.

Ricoloco

October 30th, 2007, 20:01

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 20:33

Gustav, I´m so ashamed! Thougth the event was next saturday! AAAARGH!

Btw, you already had some RS4 there so no panic then.

Anyway, if we dont meet until next Superstage, see you then. I´ll have a BIG surprise for you then. Lead - It eats M- and AMG-cars for breakfast! :jlol:

is it another german? :)

am I sensing something with ten of something plus two of something plus four of something else?

Ricoloco

October 30th, 2007, 21:05

You made it a bit complicated but yes...

Why is it so hard to choose color...:doh:

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 21:39

You made it a bit complicated but yes...

Why is it so hard to choose color...:doh:

ooooooh :addict:
which are you choosing between? I think blue would look sweet

Ricoloco

October 30th, 2007, 21:59

Phantom black, Monza Silver, maybe Sepang Blue.

But Erik reminded me about the Suzuka "Grey". Would look great with black optics and titan wheels....

BroddvonBronto

October 30th, 2007, 22:14

Phantom black, Monza Silver, maybe Sepang Blue.

But Erik reminded me about the Suzuka "Grey". Would look great with black optics and titan wheels....

this one looks hot

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/2008-audi-rs6-avant-wallpaper1.jpg

when will you be able to rip up the streets of sthlm with it? :incar:

Ricoloco

October 30th, 2007, 22:25

Dont know about the colors, blue is nice but one might get tired of it after a while.

Delivery march-april, probably april. I will set the opitons list in a few weeks.

Erik

October 31st, 2007, 06:48

Ok ok ok, back ON topic ;)

Rutkowsky

October 31st, 2007, 09:31

back on topic, i like the vid and all thanx to Gustav. I am going to order the DVD today. If only Gustav drove the new M3 for some more time i think he could get more out of the car, anyway, RS4 is already a fast car and it'd take at least 100 bhp more to "destroy" it in a straight line. Good vid again

BroddvonBronto

October 31st, 2007, 14:49

some pics from the event :)

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look at the tachyo:M5rev:
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back from the grocery store run;)
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one long runway
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carbon fiber :)
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the monster
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Leadfoot

October 31st, 2007, 15:05

I just got one of the races on MMS.

Looks like the RS4 gave the new M3 a hard time from standing start.

If I was in the new M3 with an RS4 beside me at the red light I wouldn't be too confident about a win...

As I have always said these M5Board events want to run from rolling starts, nothing to do with clutch damage but everything to do with the fact that launching a hi-powered rwd car is a hell of a difficult, as proved in this video.

I reckon it took the M3 the best part of 140mph before overhauling the RS4. When I get my M3 I won't be tackling too many RS4 just in case.:blush:

mbolo

October 31st, 2007, 15:48

As I have always said these M5Board events want to run from rolling starts, nothing to do with clutch damage but everything to do with the fact that launching a hi-powered rwd car is a hell of a difficult, as proved in this video.

I reckon it took the M3 the best part of 140mph before overhauling the RS4. When I get my M3 I won't be tackling too many RS4 just in case.:blush:

I was more impressed by the M3 after this event than I've been before.

Aesthetically, it still feels like several different pieces put together, while the RS4 impresses with its simple lines and stances. Haveing said that, it's all about personal taste and I'm sure the M has its supporters.

Rolling starts are maybe not as "real-world- red light relevant", but they do cancel out as many driver related factors as possible, which is a good thing. A fairer comparison in other words.

Having said that, the RS4 kicks M ass from standing and is easily comparable if not faster "in the twisties". That's what counts for me.. :0:

buyalemon

October 31st, 2007, 15:55

I was more impressed by the M3 after this event than I've been before.

Aesthetically, it still feels like several different pieces put together, while the RS4 impresses with its simple lines and stances. Haveing said that, it's all about personal taste and I'm sure the M has its supporters.

Rolling starts are maybe not as "real-world- red light relevant", but they do cancel out as many driver related factors as possible, which is a good thing. A fairer comparison in other words.

Having said that, the RS4 kicks M ass from standing and is easily comparable if not faster "in the twisties". That's what counts for me.. :0:

What's the results against CSL?

Mmm

October 31st, 2007, 17:16

mbolo

October 31st, 2007, 17:18

Standing starts & twisties are about the driver, not the car.

You're absolutely right. Driver will always effect the end result. But one car is always going to be faster than another, that's why we do these childish events and have these discussions.. :cheers:

Mmm

October 31st, 2007, 17:23

You're absolutely right. Driver will always effect the end result. But one car is always going to be faster than another, that's why we do these childish events and have these discussions.. :cheers:

Yeah & if an M3 driver lifts off completely into 2nd gear & lets a car with a power peak at 8400rpm, drop to 3500, then he will struggle to catch a 330d. Did you see how much ground he lost when he lifted. No only did his revs drop completely but the RS4 was on full tilt & accelerating while he was decelerating.You 1st have to get the revs back up, which takes an eternity, then you can to regain all the lost ground, & then try to pass. The whole time against a car which is also a fast car. I''m surprised the M3 even caught up at all.

Did the RS4 race the Z4 Mcoupe or the CSL?

Kram

October 31st, 2007, 18:57

Congratulations mbolo :applause:

Could you give us more results from the event?
How was the Porsches NA against the M3 and RS4? And the 997tt? Did it race against the S65?

:thumb:

Fab

October 31st, 2007, 19:43

fabulous pics thanks a lot.

Those guys are having great time on that airfield :thumb:

Rutkowsky

October 31st, 2007, 19:58

yes, fantastic pictures, not very often you get to see top brands all in one place, thanx for sharing

Fab

October 31st, 2007, 20:30

Some more infos on the DVD : What is it exaclty, what lenght, price, etc. ???

Is it worth getting one for some nice car action ? As many vids from M5board are already available on Youtube...

Ricoloco

October 31st, 2007, 22:16

Some more infos on the DVD : What is it exaclty, what lenght, price, etc. ???

Is it worth getting one for some nice car action ? As many vids from M5board are already available on Youtube...

Think so. BTW, by buying the DVD you will support forthcoming events with even better cars, vids and pics.

I participated at the Superstage II this summer, was supposed to join this Winterstage aswell but forgot the date.....

Ruergard

October 31st, 2007, 22:34

I reckon it took the M3 the best part of 140mph before overhauling the RS4. When I get my M3 I won't be tackling too many RS4 just in case.:blush:

Say what Leadie? :vhmmm: ;)

Awesome pics Joakim! :thumb:

EKaru

October 31st, 2007, 23:14

I wonder how the C63 AMG would do against the M3 on a rolling start.....

Leadfoot

October 31st, 2007, 23:16

Gustav

October 31st, 2007, 23:38

It is in way better quality, with more races and also bonus section. Here yoiu have the high res cover :)

Order it here:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/102-2599153-3904939?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gtboard&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

http://gtboard.com/hdcover.jpg

Some more infos on the DVD : What is it exaclty, what lenght, price, etc. ???

Is it worth getting one for some nice car action ? As many vids from M5board are already available on Youtube...

Gustav

October 31st, 2007, 23:38

Customer reviews here:

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000UUDRN2/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary/102-2599153-3904939?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Erik

November 1st, 2007, 05:56

Some more infos on the DVD : What is it exaclty, what lenght, price, etc. ???

Is it worth getting one for some nice car action ? As many vids from M5board are already available on Youtube...

I have only seen the first DVD, the one from Koenigsegg and as far as I know this is the only one which is realeased so far.

Quality is a bit amateurish, but if you're a hardcore car guy you'll like it anyway as there are a lot of duells between really nice cars on a long airfield.

Lenght: probably at least one hour.
Price: I paid roughly $20 incl. personal shipping in a M5 by Gustav :D

I really look forward to the new DVD. Gustav, when can I expect my own personal copy? :deal:

artur777

November 1st, 2007, 12:40

People, M3 with DCT will be even faster and exclude human factor.
I am sure that M3 with DCT will be almost as fast as C63 though not that torquey.

BroddvonBronto

November 1st, 2007, 12:56

it would have been more interesting if it was the m3 saloon (four-door) instead of the coupe. the saloon is said to do 'only' 0-62 in 4.9! then the rs4 would have a more fair competitor :)

artur777

November 1st, 2007, 15:59

it would have been more interesting if it was the m3 saloon (four-door) instead of the coupe. the saloon is said to do 'only' 0-62 in 4.9! then the rs4 would have a more fair competitor :)

You will see that M3 sedan with M-DCTwill do 0-100 @ 4.7 sec.
And M3 coupe - even faster 4.6 sec!!!
So it will be even worse for RS4.

Ruergard

November 1st, 2007, 20:55

Yeah I'm getting an M3 next year for a while until the RS5 arrives, but Hans at the minute is fu#king with my minds with talks of a TT/RS with a 4.2Lv8, 7spDSG and Torque Vectoring.

Gods knows what I will end up with after the M3 but one things is for sure, it will be another Audi.

Interesting, seems like it's a really good car then? Can't be anything else if you choose to have one. ;)

But what happend with the S5? :brag:

I think I have to make an order on those movies Gustav, very nice! Really a big effor you are putting down in this, and damn the result is good! :thumb:

BroddvonBronto

November 1st, 2007, 21:00

You will see that M3 sedan with M-DCTwill do 0-100 @ 4.7 sec.
And M3 coupe - even faster 4.6 sec!!!
So it will be even worse for RS4.

the rs4 is 3-4 four years old though, keep that in mind. m3 is brand new..

Mmm

November 1st, 2007, 21:22

the rs4 is 3-4 four years old though, keep that in mind. m3 is brand new.. so it should beat the rs4 or it's a little pointless

SO why did you guys bother bragging about the RS4 barely beating E46 M3's?

Leadfoot

November 1st, 2007, 21:39

Interesting, seems like it's a really good car then? Can't be anything else if you choose to have one. ;)

But what happend with the S5? :brag:

Yeah the M3 is a great car, something that seems to escape M3_dude who believes otherwise but the facts are it is.

As for the S5, it's coming and less than 2 months away. I can wait and will enjoy every mile with the S5 until the M3 arrives, but like I have already said the M3 is a stepping stone to the RS5 ..........:vhmmm: .......... or maybe the new TT/RS, which ever comes first. ;)

Ruergard

November 1st, 2007, 21:42

Yeah the M3 is a great car, something that seems to escape M3_dude who believes otherwise but the facts are it is.

As for the S5, it's coming and less than 2 months away. I can wait and will enjoy every mile with the S5 until the M3 arrives, but like I have already said the M3 is a stepping stone to the RS5 ..........:vhmmm: .......... or maybe the new TT/RS, which ever comes first. ;)

I believe you, no doubt.

Alright, good decision! Hope that the RS5 or a hotted TT comes soon though so that you won't be away from the camp for long. ;)

Leadfoot

November 1st, 2007, 22:02

Trust me mate, I will never be away at all. The wife will be changing the GTi for an A3 soon so there will always be an Audi in the home and like I said the M3 will be just a stepping stone to something greater.

In fact if the S4 had been launched with the rest of the A4 range then chances are that would have been my fill-in model but as there is still no word on it I decided to look else where.

I don't keep anything for long so always look for the thing that's new and in demand (usually holds the best value). The M3 just happens to fit that bill.

You couldn't get rid of me if you tried. :vhmmm: Well possibly Erik could, but I hope he won't do such a thing to a fellow Audi Nut.:vhmmm:

raulg

November 2nd, 2007, 03:08

This event is almost pointless. It's fun for sure, but not real at all. You will never enjoy driving your car at 150+mph on a real street, at least I hope you won't. Indeed the M3 is faster above 120-130, but who cares about that anyway? Yeah, I know, BMW fans, of course; but otherwise, the test as such high speeds doesn't really tell much since nobody will ever use his car in a similar way. That's why no magazine/review/test will do something like this, they all do 0-60, 1/4 mile, 0-200km/h the max. Anything above that is too much, and if the car is not really faster below 100-120, who cares after that?

What I do not get, how come the RS4 is getting the same 1/4mile times as the new M3, since both cars have the same hp but one is losing 25% on drivetrain/quattro loss while the other is only losing 10-15%? There is a 10% difference in REAL hp, which is a lot, how come we only see that above 120mph? Is it the torque?

cazorp

November 2nd, 2007, 16:36

I drove the E92 M3 today, and I have to admit that that piece of machinery is one hell of a car. But I havent driven the RS4 yet, only had a couple of rides in it, and I'd say its equal fast on everyday usage, but the M3 engine and sound... gosh, what a piece of art!! Definately too much power for swedish road conditions (wet and/or cold or icy 50% of the year) did I dare to disengage ESP? Not a chance on normal roads!

I'd say I actually drove the 335i coupe I also tested on the same roads even faster since its more predicable and easier to handle

mbolo

November 4th, 2007, 12:30

SO why did you guys bother bragging about the RS4 barely beating E46 M3's?

I think "you guys" is slightly generalizing the discussion isn't it? And what's this "barely beating it" bit about?

One producer makes a car that's specced almost identically as another, several years after the first one is introduced. Still, the newer model doesn't impress fans on either side of the fence and the older car is still on par and receives better reviews in several areas. That's not good product development however you look at it.

I'm dissapointed with the new M3, and I do look at it impartially, because I'm not devoted to a specific brand, just to cars.