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Erik
September 20th, 2007, 17:31
Laptimes Hockenheim
M3:1.14,3 min
CLK63 BS 1.13,8 min

M3
0-100km/h: 4.8s
80-120km/h: 7.2(6.)
Max: 280km/h (M Driver Package option code 07ME)


CLK63Black
0-100km/h: 4.5s
80-120km/h: 8.9s(7. speed of autobox)
Max: 300km/h


M3 tires-Michelin Pilot Cup
CLK63Black-Pirelli P Zero Corsa

Source: Sportauto


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Sportauto:

Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 1.12,6 min
Audi R8 -------------------------------------------------- 1.12,7 min
BMW M3 CSL/AC Schnitzer --------------------------------- 1.12,6 min
Sportec-Porsche 996 Turbo (540 hp) ----------------------- 1.12,6 min
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 1.12.7 min
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 722 Edition ----------------- 1.12,9 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 1.13,0 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 1.13,2 min
AC Schnitzer-BMW CLS II (E36) ------------------------- 1.13,4 min
BMW M6 AC Scnitz. Tens. (552hp) ------------------------ 1.13,5 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 1.13,5 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 1.13,5 min
Z4 V8 Topster -------------------------------------------- 1.13,7 min
Porsche 997 Turbo ---------------------------------------- 1.13,7 min
CLK63 BS 1.13,8 min
MTM Audi S4 Clubsport (500hp) --------------------- 1.13.9 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 1.14,1 min
min
Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 1.14,3 min
M3:1.14,3 min
Mercedes SLK55 Black Series -------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Porsche 911 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 1.14,7 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 1.14,8 min (R-tires)
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 1.14,8 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 1.14,9 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 1.14,9 min

Mercedes CLK-DTM Cabriolet -------------------------------- 1.15,0 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 1.15,1 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 1.15,3 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 1.15.3 min
Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series --------------------------- 1.15,4 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------------- 1.15.5 min
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 1.15.6 min
Wendland-Porsche Cayman S (320hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Techart-Porsche Cayman S (310hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Audi RS4 (V8) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.4 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------- 1.15,9 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.9 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 1.15,9 min
Porsche 996 C2 ----------------------------------------- 1.15,9 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 1.16,1 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti ----------------------------------- 1.16,2 min
Porsche Boxster S ---------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 1.16,3 min
BMW M5 E60--------------------------------------------- 1.16,3 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 1.16.4 min
Porsche 997 Carrera Conv. -------------------------------- 1.16,4 mi
RussianM3_dude
September 20th, 2007, 17:43
Well, it better... It's MUCH more expensive and has almost extra 100 horses. If the regular CLK63 could do that, then you might have a point here.
Leadfoot
September 20th, 2007, 18:15
Regardless if the Merc beat the new M3 you have to agree that this new model has moved the game forward from the last in terms of ultimate grip as on this admittedly tight Hockenheim track, it's a full second quicker than the RS4 and based on this I wouldn't be surprised to see it take top honours on the ring as well.

But seeing pass these cars, look at the R8 compared to it's peers or should I say equals as it matches the F430 and betters the MacLaren Mercedes SLR. Not bad from a company that many regard incapable of producing a great driver/handling car.
artur777
September 20th, 2007, 20:18
It's not fair to compare Black Series AMG with M3.
Compare it with CSL and you see that even e46 CSL is faster than CLK63 AMG Black Series.

Agree with Leadfoot that M3 will be faster than RS4 at the Ring.
But, Leadie, let's wait until RS5 - it will leave M3 for dead at the Ring for sure.

Besides, the time of R8 is great indeed!
IT'S REALLY THE BEST PRICE-TO-QUALITY CHOICE IN SUPERCARS SEGMENT! I am afraid to think what R8 V10 will be than - better than Murcielago and 599 GTB?
buyalemon
September 20th, 2007, 21:01
It's not fair to compare Black Series AMG with M3.
Compare it with CSL and you see that even e46 CSL is faster than CLK63 AMG Black Series.

Agree with Leadfoot that M3 will be faster than RS4 at the Ring.
But, Leadie, let's wait until RS5 - it will leave M3 for dead at the Ring for sure.

Besides, the time of R8 is great indeed!
IT'S REALLY THE BEST PRICE-TO-QUALITY CHOICE IN SUPERCARS SEGMENT! I am afraid to think what R8 V10 will be than - better than Murcielago and 599 GTB?

I've heard around 8,10 from BMW spokesmen ...same weight and power without quattro ...smells like a tight race! If the M6 doesn't kill the RS4 why would the M3!
Leadfoot
September 20th, 2007, 22:22
I've heard around 8,10 from BMW spokesmen ...same weight and power without quattro ...smells like a tight race! If the M6 doesn't kill the RS4 why would the M3!

This is just possibly because the ring isn't the kind of track which has many tight corners, but I would still be surprise to see the M3 not posting a better time than 8:10, purely because it should on a whole be able to hit a higher speed on the fast parts.

But if the time is true then Artur777's opinion of the RS5 will be correct, it will post a much better time than the RS4 even if it didn't get the expected power hike because of the much improved chassis the A5 has over the ageing A4 on which the RS4 is based.
Erik
September 21st, 2007, 07:04
I think the M3 V8 will be very close to 8 minutes.

Edit. Eye-witness says 8:03 with cup tires, see separate thread.
Leadfoot
September 21st, 2007, 10:06
I think the M3 V8 will be very close to 8 minutes.

Edit. Eye-witness says 8:03 with cup tires, see separate thread.

Erik if this is correct then clearly the new M3 is indeed in a different class of performance to the RS4, well at least on the track that is.
artur777
September 21st, 2007, 16:49
I think the M3 V8 will be very close to 8 minutes.

Edit. Eye-witness says 8:03 with cup tires, see separate thread.

Erik, what thread are you talking about?
artur777
September 21st, 2007, 17:01
This is just possibly because the ring isn't the kind of track which has many tight corners, but I would still be surprise to see the M3 not posting a better time than 8:10, purely because it should on a whole be able to hit a higher speed on the fast parts.

But if the time is true then Artur777's opinion of the RS5 will be correct, it will post a much better time than the RS4 even if it didn't get the expected power hike because of the much improved chassis the A5 has over the ageing A4 on which the RS4 is based.

Very interesting to understand the Ring time of C63 AMG.
Could you guess / tell please?