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Iceman
September 4th, 2007, 23:55
Techinfo: 5.0 litre V10 bi-turbo FSI, 580 hp, torque 650 Nm between 1500-6250 rpm,
255/40R19" or 275/35R20" tyres, ceramic brakes option, DRC,
German base price 101750,- Euro

(RS6 Avant)
1-100 Km/h in 4.6 sec
0-200 @ 14.9 sec

http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en2/models.html "RS6"

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http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74215_700.jpg
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Hans.

(Post updated by Erik, with technical info + performance)

Iceman
September 4th, 2007, 23:58
http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74225_700.jpg
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Hans.

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 00:02
:revs: :applause: It's finally here.:addict: :addict: :addict: Where is the sedan?

Iceman
September 5th, 2007, 00:05
Techinfo: 5.2 litre V10 bi-turbo FSI, 580 hp, 1-100 Km/u in 4.6 sec, torque 650 Nm between 1500-6250 rpm, 255/40R19" or 275/35R20" tyres, ceramic brakes option, German base price 101750,- Euro.

Hans.

Bingocaller
September 5th, 2007, 00:07
OMG! Im lost for words! And 580 Hp - Bye bye every thing!

Edit: LOOK at the seats! Look at the brakes! Look at the inside! Its just perfect!

Arslanoff
September 5th, 2007, 00:08
No words, just :heart::heart::heart:

And were is sedan photos?

Iceman
September 5th, 2007, 00:15
No sedan pics.

Hans.

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 00:17
Iceman, and is there any other info now?

0-100 time is not so great as it could be expected.
The weight should be rather high...

HKS786
September 5th, 2007, 00:20
Higher res:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/74215_1280.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/74217_1280.jpg
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http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/74221_1280.jpg
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http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/74233_1280.jpg

Arslanoff
September 5th, 2007, 00:22
Unbelievable, tiptronic can manage 580 hp and 650Nm. Audi the Best! :addict:

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 00:22
Finally Leadfoot was right about only Avant being presented now..
What a dissapointment!
Is there any press-release may be?

HKS786
September 5th, 2007, 00:26
Unbelievable, tiptronic can manage 580 hp and 650Nm. Audi the Best! :addict:

+1

The M5 has 520Nm of Torque and 500bhp. I love the new RS6 !:addict:

RXBG
September 5th, 2007, 00:28
Hoooooooooooooooooly

Sh**********************************************t!

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 00:28
Yeah...
Look here - some more info presented.
0-200 @ 14.9 sec!!

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_-_produkte/hxcms_article_506625_14055.hbs

It seems to me that Audi decided to make a certain pre-release-))

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 00:29
Notice the LEDs in the headlights and the indicators in the mirrors, notice the alloys and the power + torque figures and the amazingly wide torque range running up to 6250rpm. What have they missed in the spec list, oh yeah, the DRC III which trust me is there.

I told you it would be a beast, as for the 0-100km/h, well I think you will find this is easily achievable. ;)

P.S.

Notice the only pictures are of the Avant and by the way this is roughly the look of the new nose for 2008.

Arslanoff
September 5th, 2007, 00:32
Look at the wheel arches - they are HUGE!!! And brakes are also HUGE! Amazing car!

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 00:33
P.S Mk2

The 0-200km/h is also easily achievable. ;)

Iceman
September 5th, 2007, 00:34
I like the Ur-Quattro style fenders.
And i like the RS6 Avant only idea.
In the past the RS2 was only as avant availeble.

Hans.

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 00:34
Only .5 liter more thirsty than S6, and 1.1 liters better per 100 km than the M5 touring.

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 00:36
The price roughly works out at £70K+ so I reckon when the UK spec is added the price will ed up at £73K. Not a cheap car regards of the performance.

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 00:38
Leadfoot,

why the acc. times are not that superior?
0-200 @ 14.9 is not that great having so much HP and Torque!!!!

Just at the level of its competitors. Weight? Or specially underpowered as 335i?

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 00:39
Night guys, I'm signing off. No doubt the thread will have reached No100 by morning. :lovl:

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 00:46
Audi says 4.6 for 0-100 for the R8. Audi says 4.3 for 0-60. Us mags get 3.9 and 4.0 with 4.3 at the worst. I still say it will do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds (the sedan is more likely to support my figures, but the Avant could be a couple of tenths of)

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 00:48
Audi says 4.6 for 0-100 for the R8. Audi says 4.3 for 0-60. Us mags get 3.9 and 4.0 with 4.3 at the worst. I still say it will do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds (the sedan is more likely to support my figures, but the Avant could be a couple of tenths of)

No Saloon for now.
So we have to wait for the next year before Saloon arrives (if it arrives at all - no confirmation)

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 00:50
Wow, nice. Cant wait to see it in real. But hey...AMS writes that its limited at 250km/h :(

LU-RS6
September 5th, 2007, 00:57
Finally!!!!!!!!

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 01:06
Hmm is it just me or are there no fog lights? Not that i miss them....

LU-RS6
September 5th, 2007, 01:14
Hmm is it just me or are there no fog lights? Not that i miss them....

They are integrated in the headlights, to create more air intake :applause:

RXBG
September 5th, 2007, 01:16
Audi says 4.6 for 0-100 for the R8. Audi says 4.3 for 0-60. Us mags get 3.9 and 4.0 with 4.3 at the worst. I still say it will do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds (the sedan is more likely to support my figures, but the Avant could be a couple of tenths of)

nope. audi says 4.4 to 60 for the USA for the R8. i think we should wait till official audi figures for this beast. this beast may not be terribly faster than the old until over 60 mph. even with the quattro driveline loss, this car will be faster than the new M5 estate. it'll be close with the E63 estate given that car's high torque level and lack of AWD. but it sounds like the RS6 will hand the E63 its a$$ in the handling department.

no doubt about it, the RS6 will be the most desirable of all these. shite. just look at it!

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 01:18
Still shows that Audi gives a very big cushion with its high performance cars when quoting acceleration figures.

nyc123
September 5th, 2007, 01:19
when will we have an idea on when the rs6 sedan will be available in the US

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 01:20
nope. audi says 4.4 to 60 for the USA for the R8. i think we should wait till official audi figures for this beast. this beast may not be terribly faster than the old until over 60 mph. even with the quattro driveline loss, this car will be faster than the new M5 estate. it'll be close with the E63 estate given that car's high torque level and lack of AWD. but it sounds like the RS6 will hand the E63 its a$$ in the handling department.

no doubt about it, the RS6 will be the most desirable of all these. shite. just look at it!

0-200 is quoted @ 14.9 sec
It means it wouldn't be significantly faster / slower than M5 / E63.

AndyBG
September 5th, 2007, 01:25
IT IS FINALY HERE !!!

IT LOOKS FANTASTIC, IT IS FANTASTIC, I LOVE IT !!!


They are integrated in the headlights, to create more air intake :applause:

That would be same as C6 S6... I just have hard time finding them in the headlights...

I never saw one with fog lamps on...

DetailersDomain
September 5th, 2007, 01:35
I now know what my next car will be...

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 02:28
no info on the sedan yet/or the us consequently

absent
September 5th, 2007, 02:30
0-200 is quoted @ 14.9 sec
It means it wouldn't be significantly faster / slower than M5 / E63.
I have learned a long time ago to not put any trust in the "official" figures quoted by German manufacturers.
They all,with no exception,always provide extremely conservative numbers,especially for acceleration and they are always bettered in independent tests.

Julz RS4
September 5th, 2007, 03:48
Wow !! The new Audi C6 RS6 is completely awesome !!!! :thumb: :addict:

Sanjuro
September 5th, 2007, 04:31
Engine is amazing
Brakes are sensational
Body is awesome: kind of subtle but also brutal - love the Ur-quattro-esque guards
But the Interior - they've done nearly nothing from the S6 except change the steering wheel - which is ok, but they changed the facia around the screen and instruments to a Piano finish - that little change there makes the whole A6 Dash seem amazingly fresh - I have never liked the plastic it had before but that finish is just a sensation.

one more blue one ordered...

Rally
September 5th, 2007, 05:08
I'll take one in Phantom Black for the US please! :applause:

chewym
September 5th, 2007, 06:08
The V10 is indeed a 5.0. Go to Audi Worldwide, models, A6 and click RS6 on bottom right. In the short movie there are new RS6 shots. And it does have DRC as promised.

http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en2/models.html

Erik
September 5th, 2007, 06:40
This is a great day!

I created RS6.com just before the first RS6 was launched and I hope and think it has been the best international website for the RS6 and other high performance Audis.

I very much look forward to seeing the car in person on the 11:th at IAA in Frankfurt. The car certainly looks to be "IT."

The Beast is alive!

Ruergard
September 5th, 2007, 07:40
I'm totally lost for words... completely! Look at the wheel arches!! Look at the brakes, the seats.. everything!! Not to forget the enginebay OH MY GOD!

Leadfoot have been right all the way, and we're not disappointed with what we see! Can't wait to see some performancefigures.. though I think that teh 0-200 km/h time is a little bit conservative.. :revs:

This totally made my day! :D

The Beast is back! :addict::addict::addict:

skiwi
September 5th, 2007, 08:07
fantastic. well done audi. you've followed tradition in some of the styling, and yet the car is thoroughly modern and powerful.

RS6Driver
September 5th, 2007, 08:26
It's still a 5.0... not 5.2.

Erik
September 5th, 2007, 08:28
Torque 650 Nm between 1500-6250 rpm, that's insane.

That's more than the M5 has anywhere in the power range.

ZeroCool
September 5th, 2007, 09:02
i'm looking forward to see first tests....with M5, E63 ... and so on and so on :D

Because this car is really a cruise-missile...
i like it...no sorry, i love it!!!

Really good job AUDI!! *thumbs up*

p.s. the ceramic brakes have an diameter of 420mm (!!!) at the front and 365mm at the rear - as i can remember...great!!!

tazsura
September 5th, 2007, 09:08
I like the Ur-Quattro style fenders.
And i like the RS6 Avant only idea.
In the past the RS2 was only as avant availeble.

Hans.

Agree 100%!!!!

Wow, speechless :love: :love: :love: :love:

Taz :wo:

(Hans - Loving the new Sig mate!)

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 09:54
I have been in connect with my good friend. ;)

And I can assure everyone that all of the reported acceleration figures are indeed conservative. The limited topspeed of 250km/h is there but for a small price will be removed because the car has been design to travel much more quickly than this. :hahahehe:

Believe me when I say everyone including the competition will bowled over by this ring time. :hihi:

Arslanoff
September 5th, 2007, 10:04
I cant find any new shots, only 1:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/Untitled-1.jpg

331 g/km is huge! I don't beleive in 13,9 l/100km, as well as I don't beleive in performance figures, it should be more like 4,4 sec - 0-100 km, but weight is 2025 kg also

ZeroCool
September 5th, 2007, 10:20
M5 Touring:
=========

373kw/507PS -> 7750 U/Min
520 Nm -> 6100 U/Min
1955kg
250km/h
4,8 sec
15 l/100km
361 g/km

RS6 Avant:
========

426kw/580PS -> 6250 - 6700 U/Min
650Nm -> 1500 - 6250 U/Min
2024kg
250km/h
4,6 sec
13,9 l/100km
331 g/km

E63 AMG T-Modell:
==============

378kw/514PS -> 6800 U/Min
630Nm -> 5200 U/Min
1840kg
250km/h
4,6 sec
14,5 l/100km
345 g/km

---------------------------

Really good Job Audi...really good!!!

Audi.de
September 5th, 2007, 10:25
man i cried seeing this...absolutly a perfect car...i love it, need it, want it and the interior si so perfect, as perfect as R8's interior...man AUDI ROCKS!!!

RS6Driver
September 5th, 2007, 10:45
More pictures:



http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc832/th_85886_RS6_ak_001_122_832lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85886_RS6_ak_001_122_832lo.jpg)http://img183.imagevenue.com/loc163/th_85892_RS6_ak_002_122_163lo.jpg (http://img183.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85892_RS6_ak_002_122_163lo.jpg)http://img178.imagevenue.com/loc245/th_85903_RS6_ak_003_122_245lo.jpg (http://img178.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85903_RS6_ak_003_122_245lo.jpg)http://img102.imagevenue.com/loc1192/th_85904_RS6_ak_004_122_1192lo.jpg (http://img102.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85904_RS6_ak_004_122_1192lo.jpg)
http://img16.imagevenue.com/loc1023/th_85906_RS6_ak_005_122_1023lo.jpg (http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85906_RS6_ak_005_122_1023lo.jpg)http ://img126.imagevenue.com/loc1192/th_85912_RS6_ak_006_122_1192lo.jpg (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85912_RS6_ak_006_122_1192lo.jpg)http ://img12.imagevenue.com/loc910/th_85918_RS6_ak_007_122_910lo.jpg (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85918_RS6_ak_007_122_910lo.jpg)
http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc915/th_85924_RS6_ak_008_122_915lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85924_RS6_ak_008_122_915lo.jpg)http://img187.imagevenue.com/loc489/th_85930_RS6_ak_009_122_489lo.jpg (http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85930_RS6_ak_009_122_489lo.jpg)http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc609/th_85936_RS6_ak_010_122_609lo.jpg (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=85936_RS6_ak_010_122_609lo.jpg)


:addict:

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 10:49
Take a close look at the torque figures that ZeroCool posted and than stop and think about them.

The RS6 not only out punches them but also extends it's peak limit to more than either of them. In fact can anyone name me a single production turbo engine of any size that can hold it torque to such a high level. Audi amazed us with the RS4's N/A engine, now they will totally blow us away with this, surely a Engine of the Year award is done deal.

Myrtlebeach
September 5th, 2007, 11:05
This is indeed a great day, and Erik, congrats, you've done an amazing job on this web site.

Here are some more pic's and info from the german Audi web site:

http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/neuwagen/a6/rs_6.html

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 11:14
Look at the official press-release of Audi AG on RS6!!

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070905.002/audi-rs-6-avant-revealed

The caris goint to be really smart!
The ONLY dissapointment is a huge weight.
M5 Touring and E63 Wagon are much less...

Rutkowsky
September 5th, 2007, 11:17
Beautiful mashine, i had my hopes set higher for 0-... accelerations but one thing is sure, rain or shine it will be fast. Also avant RS6 is massive in size, much bigger to previous one and bigger than M5 touring but now i just want to see real world comparisons

bastordd
September 5th, 2007, 11:19
RS6 Avant 2000 kg!!! But the limosine is my be 1900 kg and this numbers is not official... We go to wait to see what the Audi says!
But the RS6 limosine it has that to make 0-100 4.2 seconds and 0-200 in 13 seconds! 580hp is very power!
And when to leave the RS6 we will have chance stops later compares the times with the M5

tazsura
September 5th, 2007, 11:21
The Official acceleration figure are VERY conservative IMHO.

I can't wait for the real tests to show just how blinding this car is!

Taz :MTM:

bastordd
September 5th, 2007, 11:26
The Official acceleration figure are VERY conservative IMHO.

I can't wait for the real tests to show just how blinding this car is!

Taz :MTM:

And I wait for real testes and the limosine test not Avant!
The limosine It has that to make the 0-200 in 13 seconds!

KresoF1
September 5th, 2007, 11:35
I like it more then R8... Uh, I want one.

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 11:39
Just to confirm that the RS6 will be amazing on the track despite it's weight, Audi has seen fit to install the RS6 with a dry sump. Clearly the lateral Gs are high enough to warrant such a thing.

bastordd
September 5th, 2007, 11:42
I wait for the times of the car... But for Avant the times is more less igual the M5 Touring and E63 T

KresoF1
September 5th, 2007, 11:49
Just to confirm that the RS6 will be amazing on the track despite it's weight, Audi has seen fit to install the RS6 with a dry sump. Clearly the lateral Gs are high enough to warrant such a thing.

We need full attack options:

Sport Suspension +
20"(also in Titan color option)
Ceramic Brakes(420mm fronts!)
300km/h quattor Gmbh delimiting

...and all are available!

artur777
September 5th, 2007, 11:51
Just to confirm that the RS6 will be amazing on the track despite it's weight, Audi has seen fit to install the RS6 with a dry sump. Clearly the lateral Gs are high enough to warrant such a thing.

Leadfoot,
the weight is huge.
2025 kg at start - means about 2100 kg with a driver!
Can you imagine how this thing is handled due to its weight?
And acc. times are not that good because of weight.
Thre main competitors are less powerful, but also lighter.

What do you think on the weight issue?

tazsura
September 5th, 2007, 11:55
Leadfoot,
the weight is huge.
2025 kg at start - means about 2100 kg with a driver!
Can you imagine how this thing is handled due to its weight?
And acc. times are not that good because of weight.
Thre main competitors are less powerful, but also lighter.

What do you think on the weight issue?

I think "DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE WEIGHT"!

Seriously Artur777, just sit back and wait. Then, have a coke and smile at just how easily the RS6 will destroy the competition. You will not be dissapointed!

Taz :cheers:

Clio16V
September 5th, 2007, 12:12
Times for the Avant 0-100km/h in 4.6s 0-200km/h in 14.6s

rs-6
September 5th, 2007, 12:14
i'm so much in love, hopefully we can welcome a new RS6 somewhere next year...
(worst case scenario is a future S4 Avant)

RussianM3_dude
September 5th, 2007, 12:32
So it's another overweight autobahn cruise missile that uses turbos to extract power and torque. Why am I not excited???? It looks like an S6 too. Big Meh!!!!

tazsura
September 5th, 2007, 12:34
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU EXPECT?!

Thank you for giving me the biggest laugh i've had in days!

Taz :jlol: :lovl:

RacerBice
September 5th, 2007, 12:43
In terms of weight, what else could be expected from a modern, big estate with a V10 and AWD....? Remember that already the SL 55 AMG, which due to its weight is not as fast as one could expect up to 100 KPH, blows most of the competition away from 200 to 300 (without the electronical speed-limiter). Including the Murcielago. And that already with "only" 478 bhp as in the earlier versions. So in other words, it may well be at higher speeds that this new, amazing RS6 will shine too.

Oh....and contrary to some opinions here, the M5 Estate weighs 1.955 kg according to official figures. 70 kgs and 73 BHP more, all in all the RS6 will no doubt be a decidedly faster car both on the straights and the track. But who cares....? The RS6 is soooooo much better looking that the beemer looks plain and boring in comparison. So who the hey will want one of them any more!?!?


:addict:

RacerBice
September 5th, 2007, 12:44
So it's another overweight autobahn cruise missile that uses turbos to extract power and torque. Why am I not excited???? It looks like an S6 too. Big Meh!!!!

Time for new glasses, right.....?

Duma
September 5th, 2007, 13:18
OMG........:MTM: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

bastordd
September 5th, 2007, 13:24
Relex... And this car is Avant wait for limosine the weight is less and the times is good! the limosine 0-200 in 14 seconds or less!!! WAIT FOR NUMBER OFICIALS FOR LIMOSINE! but the times of the AVANT is igual M5 touring and E63 T

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 13:30
First let me address the weight of the RS6, 2100kgs is surprise, surprise roughly the difference between a new M3 and a RS4 and yet the RS4 is able to match the M3 ever with the same power and similar torque over the same rev range. So with the same weight difference and an extra 70hp and 190ft/lbs over the entire rev range, you can clearly see that the RS6 will destroy the M5 in acceleration and more than likely the M6 as well.

Secondly the weight's affect on it's handling, again compare the S6 to the M5 still weighs more yet is able to find better grip and traction plus change direction better, when you factor in the DRC III which I might add is superior to the RS4's version you will have a pretty good idea that it's grip and balance will easily out perform the M5/6 on also very track, but things will improve even more when/if the saloon makes an appearance.

To expect this as just an Autobahn cruiser is the sort of dribble you would expect from an angry and unhappy person who seems to be able to master the benefits of Quattro and is now taking it out on everything that carries the badge.

Sad really. :boring:

tazsura
September 5th, 2007, 13:33
First let me address the weight of the RS6, 2100kgs is surprise, surprise roughly the difference between a new M3 and a RS4 and yet the RS4 is able to match the M3 ever with the same power and similar torque over the same rev range. So with the same weight difference and an extra 70hp and 190ft/lbs over the entire rev range, you can clearly see that the RS6 will destroy the M5 in acceleration and more than likely the M6 as well.

Secondly the weight's affect on it's handling, again compare the S6 to the M5 still weighs more yet is able to find better grip and traction plus change direction better, when you factor in the DRC III which I might add is superior to the RS4's version you will have a pretty good idea that it's grip and balance will easily out perform the M5/6 on also very track, but things will improve even more when/if the saloon makes an appearance.

To expect this as just an Autobahn cruiser is the sort of dribble you would expect from an angry and unhappy person who seems to be able to master the benefits of Quattro and is now taking it out on everything that carries the badge.

Sad really. :boring:


Agree!

And Congrats on the BIG 4,000! (Number of Posts...Not your age mate! Lol)

Taz :cheers:

guessWHO
September 5th, 2007, 13:34
who was the guy that was arguing with me wich RS6 will come first ... Avant or Sedan ? ... It's obviously the Avant like I've said ... ;)

RussianM3_dude
September 5th, 2007, 13:37
The Quattro will eat some of the power and it will weigh more then an M5. It'll be faster, but not by much and wouldn't be as inspiring to drive.

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 13:49
The Quattro will eat some of the power and it will weigh more then an M5. It'll be faster, but not by much and wouldn't be as inspiring to drive.

Again this is up to one's presonal options. Of those of us which are skilled in how to drive Quattros will much prefer there improved grip and traction over their rwd rivals. :hihi:

iconcls
September 5th, 2007, 14:03
You guys are killing us here across the pond.

One of you moles has to know if it's coming stateside; after all, you've been right about much of the C6 RS 6 thus far.

Throw us a freakin' bone here...

Audi.de
September 5th, 2007, 14:07
man audi definitively will have engine of the year award with this new concept of engine from RS6...Audi rocks:)

nene
September 5th, 2007, 14:07
More pix

Click Here for fotos of the new beast (http://jalopnik.com/cars/frankfurt-auto-show/a-pre+frankfurt-auto-show-unveiling-for-the-audi-rs6-avant-296378.php)

JavierNuvolari
September 5th, 2007, 14:20
Amazing new car, look the part and the engine certainly is up to the challenge. The engine compartment looks amazing, loving the TFSI sig on it. Also as Hans mentioned on a previous post the fenders look VERY nice on it.

Cheers

MR USER
September 5th, 2007, 14:35
I must have one... anyone willing to buy my girlfriend, my mom and my 2 cats for only 130k euros? It's a good deal!!! Trust me! If you feel is not enough I can put in my RS4 for an etra 40k...

Anyone interested?

MR USER
September 5th, 2007, 14:46
What about the torque vectoring system? is it there yet? Is it in the new Quattro? On Audi.de they mention the following "Der permanente Allradantrieb quattro mit asymmetrischdynamischer Momentenverteilung...."

Anyone konws?

Erik
September 5th, 2007, 15:12
You guys are killing us here across the pond.

One of you moles has to know if it's coming stateside; after all, you've been right about much of the C6 RS 6 thus far.

Throw us a freakin' bone here...

Here's a bone from me.

Of course it's coming stateside. :deal:

crespo
September 5th, 2007, 15:20
Bose audio? Did I miss something? I though the entire model range was now B&O...

Bingocaller
September 5th, 2007, 15:39
I really really REALLY hope that 5 gear or Top Gear will make a test with the M5 E63 and the RS6!

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 15:40
How can you say that without having driven the car yet?


The Quattro will eat some of the power and it will weigh more then an M5. It'll be faster, but not by much and wouldn't be as inspiring to drive.

Bingocaller
September 5th, 2007, 15:40
I must have one... anyone willing to buy my girlfriend, my mom and my 2 cats for only 130k euros? It's a good deal!!! Trust me! If you feel is not enough I can put in my RS4 for an etra 40k...

Anyone interested?

With the transmission you can sell your left leg and your right arm - that should get you started :hihi:

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 15:40
Apparently BOSE is standard on the new RS6. B&O is nowhere standard, its an option.


Bose audio? Did I miss something? I though the entire model range was now B&O...

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 15:41
I guess this means the 40:60 split of the quattro which is asymetrical.



What about the torque vectoring system? is it there yet? Is it in the new Quattro? On Audi.de they mention the following "Der permanente Allradantrieb quattro mit asymmetrischdynamischer Momentenverteilung...."

Anyone konws?

Rutkowsky
September 5th, 2007, 16:15
a lot of positive comments on M5board.com also, so yes, Audi have done a good job with this RS6

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 16:16
Regarding the performance difference between the M5 Touring, E63estate and the RS6 Avant, I reckon it should be most noticeable as the speed increases and weight becomes less of a factor, but here's the rough PTW of the RS6 Avant compared to the M5 Touring and E63estate, 287hp vs 260hp vs 263hp.

And if you start to quote torque figures the gap becomes huge and then think of the torque being there over the entire rev range and I can't see how either the E63 T or M5 Touring will come close to this.

Think 'Lords of the Rings' and you are on the right tracks.

Four rings to rule them all.

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 16:25
i like it, BUT

ive got a question:

1::: hast it Torque Vectoring Quattro, or a new quattro, or the quattro from the RS4???

2::: the RS6 is a biturbo right?

3::: has it recaro sport seats like the R8 or RS4 (european) or just normal sport seats?

__________________________________________________ __________

iam dissapointed too:

1::: the weight is problably ok, but it is much, and iam more pissed with the "just 650nm) and the tiptronic!!! look for competion, the E 63 AMG has 620 NM just just 30NM less and it hast 66ps lesser than the RS6 AND ITS N/A Engine!!! turbos just produce more. iam very disappointed, i was expecting way moren. mercedes have 800nm with no prolblems.

2::: i dissapiontet with the performance numbers, actually its slower than the M5 wagon and the E63 wagon, dont forgett the M5 limo was testet with 13.5 sec. to 200km/h and the wagon should be max. 0.5 sec slower. i think the audi would have a hard try and i think on higher speed the M5 is faster, because 7speed, lower weigth and RWD!!!

3::: i hate the transmission. i dont think tuners could put much more power out of him, because the R-Tronic wouldnt stand much more Torque. what do you think?

crespo
September 5th, 2007, 16:37
The amount of misinformation in the above post is astounding.

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 16:50
tvrfan,

Don't be disappointed with the figures because they are great, especially the torque figure which you seem most disappointed with.

Firstly the engine could easily have produced 800Nm but this would have been a peak at one rpm only and not the huge range that the RS6 has, plus the 800Nm would have been produced much lower down and by the 6000rpm mark it wouldn't be able to produces as much as it presently does meaning a lifeless engine near the maximum revs instead of one which keeps pulling hard towards the limit.

Secondly, I have been told that the figures quote for acceleration are on the conservative side so expect your sub 14s 200km/h to be achieved and in some cases even lower.

Thirdly, the transmission is best suited to a big turbo unit with mountains of torque, this figure means the torque converter will lock up almost instantly and acceleration won't be affected like normally happens with automatics. The benefit of 7 gears over 6 gears isn't really a big deal, the gears are stacked closer together but you also change more often, the only benefit I see is in-gear times were the two will quote 4th gear times but really the RS6's 4th gear would be more like the M5's 5th and only in test conditions will any of this really matter, you use the right gear for the right speed regardless of the number of gears you happen to have.

minimad
September 5th, 2007, 17:09
it's already here in YouTube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvV7mhXpu0I

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 17:12
Leadfoot.

1::::: so the transmission isnt a problem for the tuners?so the tiptronic could take much more torque (for tuners), when, how much torque could it maybe handle? what do you think?
_

2:::: is the transmission a DSG? iam reading it often on M5board ^^

3::: wich quattro type? Torque vectoring or same as RS4? or a newer? may biggest hope, could it have lesser power loss than the others ? (rs4)??



__________________________________________________ ____________________________
Just read from the Swedish Auto Motor Sport-site;
"Men enligt en liten fågel som viskat i vårt öra så är 580 hk bara den officiella siffran. I själva verket utvecklar kärnkraftverket en bit ÖVER 600 hk, cirka 610 - 620, men det vågar inte Audi uppge i dessa tider då koldioxidutsläpp är det enda som bilindustrin pratar om."

And in translation;

"According to a little bird that whispered in our ears is 580 hp only the official figure. The actual figure from the nuclear powerplant is a bit OVER 600 hp, approximately 610 - 620, but Audi doesn't dare to state those figures since Co2 is the only thing the car industry is talking about these days"

:bigeyes: :MTM:

PS: and audis where on test on the most slower than claimed ;-) A5 3.0 TDI claimed 5.9 sec to 100km/h and testet in auto motor sport and autozeitung 6.7sec and 6. 5 sec. and above 200km/h i dont know if its much faster than the M5

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 17:31
tvrfan,

Please stop reading magazine and some of the posts on this and other boards because the Quattro system doesn't lose anything like the amount of power quoted, if it did then the new M3 would be miles ahead at the 250km/h mark not the 0.3s it is and this is despite having a 150kgs weight advantage in to the bargain.

The transmission is 6 speed automatic with no DSG knowingly coming in the future, but as this model will have a possible long life cycle than previous RS models nothing is set in stone.

As for the Quattro system being used.......:confused: ;)

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 17:46
tvrfan,

Please stop reading magazine and some of the posts on this and other boards because the Quattro system doesn't lose anything like the amount of power quoted, if it did then the new M3 would be miles ahead at the 250km/h mark not the 0.3s it is and this is despite having a 150kgs weight advantage in to the bargain.

The transmission is 6 speed automatic with no DSG knowingly coming in the future, but as this model will have a possible long life cycle than previous RS models nothing is set in stone.

As for the Quattro system being used.......:confused: ;)

oh DSG can possibly in future for the RS6? i thought it couldnt take so much torque (not much playing room from tuners)

but that with the 610-620ps i think its real, ^^ so the RS6 should be way faster than claimed. :bow: i belive it with the Co2 so audi said just 580hp but it has 610-620ps ^^.

and for the quattro system, you dont know which is being used?

Ricoloco
September 5th, 2007, 17:46
tvrfan,

Please stop reading magazine and some of the posts on this and other boards because the Quattro system doesn't lose anything like the amount of power quoted, if it did then the new M3 would be miles ahead at the 250km/h mark not the 0.3s it is and this is despite having a 150kgs weight advantage in to the bargain.

The transmission is 6 speed automatic with no DSG knowingly coming in the future, but as this model will have a possible long life cycle than previous RS models nothing is set in stone.

As for the Quattro system being used.......:confused: ;)

The transmission is said to be much faster than the one in the S6, some mods done then....

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 17:49
The transmission is said to be much faster than the one in the S6, some mods done then....


so the tiptronic could take much more extra torque? ( playing room for tuners) !!??

Klint
September 5th, 2007, 17:50
Holy Schmokes!

+44 Dave
September 5th, 2007, 17:52
I'm abit slow on the uptake today guys... But WOW what news to come on here to!!! This is amazing.
I love it, i really do. And cant say i'd change anything !
Cant wait to see more pictures.

So whats everyones favorite part ? I'm going to have to say that huge non devided, honey comb grill !

Damienr8
September 5th, 2007, 17:56
NEW PICS GUYS!!!

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/09/05/brand-spankin-new-images-2008-audi-rs6-avant/

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1154/audirs6avantdesktopwallbs7.jpg

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 18:00
You are right about the power. My source tells me that it's actually producing ~603bhp. :addict:

could the tiptronic take much more torque (for tuners playroom)???

Ruergard
September 5th, 2007, 18:01
After a whole days work I'm bak at the computer, and once again I'm more than pleased. It looks just awesome, the brakes are damn big. I'm in love! :love:

Arslanoff
September 5th, 2007, 18:08
I am in love also, but it is the same as getting in bed with some Maxim model, there are some small possibilities, but no way, just watching them on the cover of the magazin or, if very lucky, passing by.

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 18:10
could the tiptronic take much more torque (for tuners playroom)???

very likely. the transmission of the old RS6 was able to cope with 750nm as told by ZF. i have no figures on the new transmission yet. guess i have to pay a visit to ZF in saarbrücken (which is only 20km away from here) :incar:

Damienr8
September 5th, 2007, 18:11
NEW PICS GUYS!!!

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/09/05/brand-spankin-new-images-2008-audi-rs6-avant/

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1154/audirs6avantdesktopwallbs7.jpg

SOOOO understated. Love the fenders!!!! :addict: :bow: :bow: :bow:

HKS786
September 5th, 2007, 19:02
I'm abit slow on the uptake today guys... But WOW what news to come on here to!!! This is amazing.
I love it, i really do. And cant say i'd change anything !
Cant wait to see more pictures.

So whats everyones favorite part ? I'm going to have to say that huge non devided, honey comb grill !

I actually prefer it divided! btw the divider is there, it's behind it honeycomb mesh, anyway who cares? the new RS6 is a beast! it looks amazing and we know it will kill it's rivals :addict:

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 19:28
This box can handle more torque but this is what Audi possibly reckon is the most power to give it with the kind of warranty that they provide. Remember 3 years is a long time if the thing is getting a serious workout everyday.

Audi.de
September 5th, 2007, 19:52
as you saw i am amazed by the brakes, you know that the biggest brakes in the world where the ceramic carbon fiber brakes from Bugatti Veyron with outstanding 400m diameter, BUT new RS6 have amazingly 420mm...damn i am so excited by them...and the engine looks like an Ares like myself my zodiac...:D this car needs me...:)RS6 go go go

Ricoloco
September 5th, 2007, 19:54
Is there any Launch-control or S-button?! Parking-camera? Fingerpring key-less go?

tvrfan
September 5th, 2007, 20:11
ähm a question wouldnt magnetic ride from the TT better than the DRC from the RS6?

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 21:01
Is there any Launch-control or S-button?! Parking-camera? Fingerpring key-less go?

No we dont need that. We want raw power ;)
Seriously i havent seen any S-button on the pictures. I guess the whole engine is always in S-mode :incar:

jonas21
September 5th, 2007, 21:02
maybe at that weight magnetic ride isnt an option. whatever you can order an adaptive sport suspension with 3 modes as option. i will definitivly go for it.


ähm a question wouldnt magnetic ride from the TT better than the DRC from the RS6?

Rudi
September 5th, 2007, 21:15
For all future owners,congrats with this amazing and insane beautiful car...no words...:rs6kiss: :addict: :cheers:

Ricoloco
September 5th, 2007, 21:19
Look what I found!

"Those who wish to enhance this daily delight for the ears even further may opt for the alternative sports exhaust system."

Bingocaller
September 5th, 2007, 21:51
I am so looking forward to the first test and the first owners getting theirs!

Please promise that you will make some HD kick as. films for us!

gnomik007
September 5th, 2007, 21:54
It definately looks interesting, but I cant' say I love it. Maybe one needs to see it in flesh. The numbers are obviously mindblowing, but is there any info on the weight?

HKS786
September 5th, 2007, 21:59
I took a screenshot of another wheel design for the new RS6. Are these the new 20s? Can anyone translate the german?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/Untitled-1-2.jpg

Leadfoot
September 5th, 2007, 22:10
I took a screenshot of another wheel design for the new RS6. Are these the new 20s? Can anyone translate the german?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/Untitled-1-2.jpg

I believe these are the standard 19" alloys. The five spokes are the optional 20".

Ricoloco
September 5th, 2007, 22:12
I took a screenshot of another wheel design for the new RS6. Are these the new 20s? Can anyone translate the german?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/Untitled-1-2.jpg


Mainly it says that it is inspired by the original UR-quattro.
The 20" is the one with "three spokes in one". The one in the picture is the 19".

HKS786
September 5th, 2007, 22:14
Mainly it says that it is inspired by the original UR-quattro.
The 20" is the one with "three spokes in one". The one on the picture is the 19".

I see. I could only see that it said "legendary UR-Quattro". I thought they looked a little small for 20s, just thought I'd ask though...

cybertec69
September 6th, 2007, 00:09
yea, and you need a large second mortgage to own one, over 100G, yea right.

chewym
September 6th, 2007, 00:39
I made a little comparison

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/espnnbaboards/rs6vsm5torquecopy.jpg

I wanted to put the RS6 hp also, but it went of the chart BMW provided chart, literally.

jonas21
September 6th, 2007, 03:28
I wanted to put the RS6 hp also, but it went of the chart BMW provided chart, literally.

:jlol: :addict:

HKS786
September 6th, 2007, 09:54
I wanted to put the RS6 hp also, but it went of the chart BMW provided chart, literally.

haha, you shoulda made that post over at m5board.com :lovl:

Audi.de
September 6th, 2007, 12:02
man i think this is the best Turbo engine ever made, better than even the engine from 911 turbo because of the torque range...so much torque from a V10 from outstanding 1500rot/min is amazing. Who wanna bet that this will be engine of the year in 2008?!:D

bastordd
September 6th, 2007, 12:07
Somebody knows if already it left the version limosine?
RS6 Avant is pretty but I prefer limosine! And more advantages weight, length of the car etc!

Bingocaller
September 6th, 2007, 13:37
There will definitly be a sedan version - the question is when and how it will perform

bastordd
September 6th, 2007, 14:02
This forum http://www.vtm.be/auto/forum/showthread.php?t=25231
Audi RS6 Avant

5.0 litre V10 bi-turbo FSI
580 PK
650 Nm (1.500 tot 6.250/min)
0-100 Km/u in 4,6 s
0-200 km/h in 14,9 s
Vmax 250 km/h (electronisch begrensd)


BMW M5 Touring

5.0 V10
507pk
520Nm (6100/min)
0-100 Km/u in 4,8s
0-200 Km/u in 15,1s
Vmax 250 km/h (electronisch begrensd)

Mercedes E63 AMG break

6.2 V8
514 pk
630 Nm(5200/min)
0-100 Km/u in 4,6s
0-200 Km/u in 16.6s
Vmax 250 km/h (electronisch begrensd)

I waited for times of the RS6 limosine! Or tests of magazines

bastordd
September 6th, 2007, 14:13
And this link... http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m5touring/2007/allfacts/engine/engine_data.html

Official information BMW


BMW M5 Touring
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m5touring/2007/allfacts/engine/engine_data.html
weight in kg: 1955
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m5touring/2007/allfacts/engine/v10.html
0-100 km/h 4.8 seconds
0-200 km/h 14.8 seconds
Performance weight: 3.8 kg/bhp

RS6 AVANT
weight in kg: 2,024
0-100 km/h 4.6 seconds
0-200 km/h 14.9 seconds
performance weight: 3.5 kg/ bhp

BMW M5 Sedan
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m5/2007/allfacts/engine_data.html
weight in kg: 1855
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m5/2007/allfacts/engine_v10.html
0-100 km/h 4.7 seconds
0-200 km/h 14.7 seconds
Performance weight: 3.7 kg/bhp

bastordd
September 6th, 2007, 14:44
Taking off this information official of the site of the BMW also we can say that the accelaration is conservative! Wait for the tests of the magazines and the times of the RS6 limosine!

Leadfoot
September 6th, 2007, 14:53
I am recently asked the question about the unofficial acceleration times during testing and will hopefully have you an answer soon. :)

KK265
September 6th, 2007, 14:55
New RS6 video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5937277032470207274&q=RS4&total=333&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0

rs-6
September 6th, 2007, 15:25
I took a screenshot of another wheel design for the new RS6. Are these the new 20s? Can anyone translate the german?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w239/J78628/Untitled-1-2.jpg
I think I would go for these...

tazsura
September 6th, 2007, 15:50
I think I would go for these...

Hmm. Nah, i would defo go for the 20's! (Even though they do look like the M6/M5 wheels!)

Taz :asian:

Leadfoot
September 6th, 2007, 15:58
Hmm. Nah, i would defo go for the 20's! (Even though they do look like the M6/M5 wheels!)

Taz :asian:

Taz,

Like the M5/6 alloys indeed, you will burn in hell for a statement that. :nono:

tazsura
September 6th, 2007, 16:01
Taz,

Like the M5/6 alloys indeed, you will burn in hell for a statement that. :nono:

Hehe, sorry, but i just said what everyone else was thinking! :doh:

Sincere apologies my fello Audiphiles! :bow:

Taz :alig:

Benman
September 6th, 2007, 17:09
I LIKE it! Reeaaally like it.

At first, the boxed/squared fenders reminded me a little of the WRX STI (especially in blue), but I like STIs just fine, so after I slept on it, I liked it more. The interior is (off course) typical Audi, i.e. fantastic and second to none. Avant only? I could definately live with that. The engine is gorgeous...

And... the rumors that it is not coming (anytime soon) to the US? Well, that would be very unfortunate.

If those rumors are true, then itwould make even easier my decision not to spend OVER $100K on a car and keep my MkI...

Truely a missed opportunity if it doesn't come Stateside...

Ben:addict:


Erik,

I remember visiting rs6.com when it had only 30 some members. Of course, at the time I was too chicken to sign up and just "lurked" till there was 100 members. Now, with over 5500 members and more than 6000 posts for myself, I'd say this place has grown... just a tad. :D Congrats Erik, you've created the BEST place on the web for RS lovers, and for that matter, ALL car lovers!:cheers:

QuattroFun
September 6th, 2007, 17:53
So it is finally coming - it looks fantastic and the engine stats - especially spread of torque - is fantastic! And the eletronics-free DRC-based suspension set-up - especially SS/DRC Plus - is very promising, as it the optional offering of sports exhaust, 20" and ceramics. Quoted acceleration figures are very much as expected - not mind-blowing but still very, very nice.

However, what is less fantastic is the weight - 2025kg vs. S6 Avant 1970kg - and specifically engine weight - 278kg vs. S6 Avant 220kg - all up front. This is not so good, really. Let us see what the tests say about handling and twisty roads.

The RS6
September 6th, 2007, 18:09
- 100-0kph in 2.3sec
- 0-100kph in 3.83sec
- 0-100kph of 4.07sec in WET CONDITIONS

:addict:

Huh?! :vhmmm:

Dude, your source must have been drinking ALOT :hihi:

Damienr8
September 6th, 2007, 18:09
I have more info about the RS6 Avant for you guys...

- stopping distance is 37.3m, so yes it is slightly better than the M5 and E63 wagons
- there is no fade after 86 laps at nordschleife !
- 100-0kph in 2.3sec
- 0-100kph in 3.83sec
- 0-100kph of 4.07sec in WET CONDITIONS

:addict:

Holy crap. I supposed that even though the brakes are huge, tires and road condition play a big part in the stopping distance as well. Glad to see that the ceramics stand up to 86 laps without any fade. The acceleration times are INSANE!!! Thats Ferrari / Lambo territory for a Family Station Wagon lol :jlol:

Ricoloco
September 6th, 2007, 18:14
The guy is just kidding. Bad joke. :nana:

Leadfoot
September 6th, 2007, 18:35
I would like to say I agree with everything here but I really don't know for sure the times possible. The above times do sounds very far fetched, 0-100km/h in 3.8s, that better than a Carerra GT and the 100km/h-0 time is equally unbelievable.

Trust me, I love to be wrong but I doubt it.

jonas21
September 6th, 2007, 19:19
where did you get this info?
i think that times around 4 seconds are possible. as seen with various tuners the Mk1 RS6 can do 4,1 seconds.


I have more info about the RS6 Avant for you guys...

- stopping distance is 37.3m, so yes it is slightly better than the M5 and E63 wagons
- there is no fade after 86 laps at nordschleife !
- 100-0kph in 2.3sec
- 0-100kph in 3.83sec
- 0-100kph of 4.07sec in WET CONDITIONS

:addict:

Hy Octane
September 6th, 2007, 19:54
Lets give credit where its due. Our good friend and resident RS6 answer man Qisha called it a year ago. Heres his post

Dear Friends,

some news:

the DL 501, 7-Speed DSG Gearbox, will go in Production at the end of 2007. This Gearbox will make it into all "High Power" Audi Cars. VW will use the same, called DQ 500. If you already watched the R8 catch up Video, you can get a idea...

The long run RS6 Mules use the close to Production Engine Specs. V10 Bi-Turbo, 580 HP, 740NM.

Erik
September 6th, 2007, 20:24
I'm just missing out on the DSG, but the hp was very spot on.
Considering the 'exactness' you might wonder if there's more to come?
Torque a bit less, but who know the exact figure anyway. :hahahehe:

But yes, Qisha is an excellent contributor to this forum. Thanks! :asian:

jonas21
September 6th, 2007, 20:25
well at one thing he was wrong...he said the sedan would come first. but anyway, the most important info was correct :)

Sacha
September 6th, 2007, 20:37
So still no idea whether the RS6 quattro is the famous Torque Vectoring, right? We will see on the 11th I guess :)

I bet it is not, they would probably have used a different wording in the PR IMO, it was too "standard" in that regard.

Leadfoot
September 6th, 2007, 20:39
well at one thing he was wrong...he said the sedan would come first. but anyway, the most important info was correct :)

Well you have to remember that there is a reason why the line-up was changed from saloon first and avant second. Back then the decision was to run the RS6 for it's usual 1 year or so production run, but I believe the board changed to run the car longer and give it the face-lift to maintain it's freshness. To have shown the RS6 saloon in finished form months before the true A6 model would to be shown couldn't have been done, so it was changed at the last minute to the Avant and I reckon this was done because the car is so good.

Qisha is the master of all things Quattro.:asian:

tvrfan
September 6th, 2007, 21:09
SO the RS6 limousine and Avant will have DSG in future? will it be standart or optional? what do you think. could the DSG handle much more torque than the R-Tronic (tuner playroom)? wich is faster R-tronic or DSG?

artur777
September 6th, 2007, 23:30
3.83 sec. for 0-100???
It's a holy sh*t!
It's a territory of 911 Turbo and Gallardo Superleggera.
Could you prove the info because it's too good to believe?-))

tailpipe
September 7th, 2007, 09:46
The new RS6 is beyond awesome. I'm blown away by the spec, the looks and the sheer presence of the thing. This trumps BMW completely. If it gets a DSG box too so much the better, although I'm sure the existing box will be just fine.

If I may voice just two slight concerns: fuel consumption and C02 emissions.

What we need now is high performance cars with a conscience. By that I mean big engines that emit less than 300 mg of C02 per km in cars that deliver 30 mpg.
I think the fuel consumption of the new RS6 is likely to be as scary as the performance.

That said, there can be no doubt that this is one of the world's most desirable cars. Bravo.

Leadfoot
September 7th, 2007, 10:14
The new RS6 is beyond awesome. I'm blown away by the spec, the looks and the sheer presence of the thing. This trumps BMW completely. If it gets a DSG box too so much the better, although I'm sure the existing box will be just fine.

I have been informed that the RS6 will not be receiving the DSG box, cost and re-tooling for such a limited run ruled this out, good news is that the DSG has been test with the RS6 test mule so expect things like the S4/5 and RS4/5 to get this as soon as it's rolled out to the rest of the MLP chassis models.

As for the auto box is does have I believe ones who own or have owned the previous RS6 will be very surprised as how much things have moved on and in the RS6 the new ZF is one of it's best examples. Expect quick down-shifts and accurate choices of gears. :thumb:

mr
September 7th, 2007, 11:20
wow .. loosks really great.
Also the numbers posted sound great.

I'm really curious in which price range it'll be placed here in Austira.

I'm very much looking forward in seeing that thing in reality.

Leadfoot
September 7th, 2007, 11:22
I'm no expert but I would have thought that this is physically impossible to produce 90% of it's peak power at 1500rpm.

I ask regarding the figure you have quoted and was inform they are a bit on the optimistic side, from this I took to possibly split the difference at say 4.2~4.3s being very achievable. I also asked about the ring time again and whether it's better than the RS4 which the reply was a resounding YES, much so expect a time in the low 8 mins bracket.

skiwi
September 7th, 2007, 11:57
the torque figure is correct, in that it is in the official press release. and torque is what produces good acceleration....

the official rs4 time is already in the low 8 minutes around the nordschleife, 8:09, (faster than the old m3 & m5) so maybe the c6 rs6 beats the magic 8:00??

http://www.sportauto-online.de/aktuell_U_sport/tuning_-_zubehoer/hxcms_article_%20%20502725_14653.hbs

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 12:23
so has the new RS6 avant the Torque Vectoring system already? or is he just becomming it later?

roadrunner
September 7th, 2007, 12:25
...I'm really curious in which price range it'll be placed here in Austira...

R8 territory - pricewise :cry: and performance wise :D

gjg
September 7th, 2007, 12:34
I'm really curious in which price range it'll be placed here in Austira.


North of 100k Euro.... RS6+ was over 100k Euro (including 19% VAT), this IMO would be at least the same.... at least :wo:

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 14:19
so has the new RS6 avant the Torque Vectoring system already? or is he just becomming it later?

somebody knows?:confused:

gabbby
September 7th, 2007, 15:35
HKS786 : "He then goes on to say that the RS6 produces 90% of its 608bhp DIN at 1500rpm"

No, it's impossible. It's 90% of the torque.

Horse Power = Torque * rpm.

HP = level of acceleration

So, high torque at low rpm = high acceeration habilities.

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 15:56
Has the New RS6 Avant the Torque Vectoring System already or is it just be introduced later for the RS6???

gabbby
September 7th, 2007, 16:00
I think this RS6 avant haven't the QTV. It will be possibly avaible when the sedan goes out.

QTV is first integrated in MLP : A5,S5,A7, next A6...

If the QTV is mounted in this RS6, it will be a killer machine : QTV + DRC + Quattro 40/60... wow !

Leadfoot
September 7th, 2007, 16:15
I think this RS6 avant haven't the QTV. It will be possibly avaible when the sedan goes out.

I presently don't know the answer to this, I have asked the question but my good friend has skirted around the question with no real answer, but the first time I saw that video of the RS6 drifting I thought to myself to hold the tail out the entire corner not only requires huge entry speed, mountain of power and amazing skill but it would be so much easier to achieve with QTV. So I am sitting on the fence until I know more.


QTV is first integrated in MLP : A5,S5,A7, next A6...

If the QTV is mounted in this RS6, it will be a killer machine : QTV + DRC + Quattro 40/60... wow !

Mainstream wise I agree, the logical choice will be the A4 to be first to be introduced with it and from this point on all models will be offering it and this if I am correct include the A3 and TT as well as the older models like the A6/8 because to system don't affect or change the standard Quatrro system as it's position at the rear diff.

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 16:15
Hmmm will it be an option or standart then on the RS6 avant and saloon? what do you think :confused:

KresoF1
September 7th, 2007, 16:20
Base price in Germany is €101750 incl. Mwst.

Leadfoot
September 7th, 2007, 16:28
Base price in Germany is €101750 incl. Mwst.

The base price in Europe will be this less the German's 19% Tax.

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 16:33
leadfoot,

what do you think would be the Torque Vectoring System for the new RS6 saloon and wagon a option or would it be standart?

gabbby
September 7th, 2007, 17:15
tvrfan,

While reading the QTV press realease, I understand that the QTV is higly integrated with the "Audi Drive Select".

This new high-tech device from the inventors of quattro permanent four-wheel drive will be available from 2008 onwards.

So, if the RS6 production start really latter first quarter 2008, it's possible the QTV is included for the RS6. But I still think that the QTV will be avaible only first for the MLP. The Audi Drive Select will be integrated for sure in the A4 first, and A5 next.

MR USER
September 7th, 2007, 17:21
tvrfan,

While reading the QTV press realease, I understand that the QTV is higly integrated with the "Audi Drive Select".

This new high-tech device from the inventors of quattro permanent four-wheel drive will be available from 2008 onwards.

So, if the RS6 production start really latter first quarter 2008, it's possible the QTV is included for the RS6. But I still think that the QTV will be avaible only first for the MLP. The Audi Drive Select will be integrated for sure in the A4 first, and A5 next.

I think I saw that there is the driveselect on the RS6... and it would be pointless to launch the RS6 without the latest generation Quattro... after all is the flagship of Audi, the most recognised and admired of the range!!!

tvrfan
September 7th, 2007, 17:30
i understand, audi would be stupid if they dont launch the new RS6 wagon and saloon with none Torque vectoring !!! BUT would the Torque Vectoring for the RS6 then standart or an option? the quattro system now on the new RS6 is the same on the B7 RS4 i think

MR USER
September 7th, 2007, 17:32
I guess standard... but I really do not konw!

KresoF1
September 7th, 2007, 18:41
NO Torque Vectoring on RS6 Avant. Its quattro AWD is the same one as on current RS4. Info is from RS6 Avant press map...

Leadfoot
September 7th, 2007, 19:39
The Veyron is DSG not automatic like the RS6. As for the QTV situation, well like I said I really don't know for sure but there is really no reason why it can't be there, the Torque Vectoring system is integrated into the rear diff and has nothing to do with the rest of the Quattro system apart from a re-mapping of the software. It going to be incorporated in to the Haldex system of the TT and A3 but at which point he didn't say.

gabbby
September 7th, 2007, 19:56
I think integrating the QTV is not as simple as changing the rear dif. To avoid strange feelling, strange handling, it must be perfectly connected with the other components like ESP, steering wheels, suspenssion setup...

So, I'm not saying that the RS6 don't have a such feature, but I think it will appear later, with the A4 first.

On the spy video of Edmunds, there is a scene where the RS6 sedan enter very fast in curv brake on, and the car is handling really well... it is the thing that make me thinking that's the result of the of QTV : a perfect distribution of the braking power.

skiwi
September 7th, 2007, 20:17
the issue with qtv is that it is a software-driven technology, it is not "dumb" like the usual limited slip diff where, apart from the ramp, you don't change anything. so gabby is correct, in that the ebd software needs to drive the diff much more agressively than it does currently (it is a silent policman currently).

as audi found with the original haldex, if you get it wrong you can get people killed.

dunno about the integration with the haldex for the a3/tt. the haldex is already a multiplate clutch - i can't see how you would do it, unless haldex did it for you and i don't believe that they have access to the technology...

artur777
September 7th, 2007, 22:24
HKS786,

could you ask your source about QTV in RS6?
That's a real question for you!

Iceman
September 8th, 2007, 09:10
NO Torque Vectoring on RS6 Avant. Its quattro AWD is the same one as on current RS4. Info is from RS6 Avant press map...
What does the press map say about the engine volume.
I say it's a 5.0 V10 TFSI and NOT a 5.2 litre.

Hans.

RS6Driver
September 8th, 2007, 09:40
What does the press map say about the engine volume.
I say it's a 5.0 V10 TFSI and NOT a 5.2 litre.

Hans.

We already established that it's a 5002 cc V10 TT back in May?

Iceman
September 8th, 2007, 09:50
We already established that it's a 5002 cc V10 TT back in May?
I know but why are almost all the car media saying it's a 5.2 litre, are they stupit or have they all dyslexia.

btw, what has changed, the bore or the stroke to make it a 5002cc.
And what is the reason to lower the volume.

Hans.

Arslanoff
September 8th, 2007, 10:12
Toooo powerful!!! :hahahehe:

kip
September 8th, 2007, 11:16
Techinfo: 5.0 litre V10 bi-turbo FSI, 580 hp, torque 650 Nm between 1500-6250 rpm,
255/40R19" or 275/35R20" tyres, ceramic brakes option, DRC,
German base price 101750,- Euro

(RS6 Avant)
1-100 Km/h in 4.6 sec
0-200 @ 14.9 sec

http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en2/models.html "RS6"


WOW! I think they really have done it this time, 4wheel drive, Automatic gearbox, releasing the RS model BEFORE they anounce a new model, and an unbelievable amount of power. It real think they have done it this time...

The numbers seem a bit conservative for the amount of power and 4wheel drive?!

I really miss the 4wheel drive in my car...

RS6Driver
September 8th, 2007, 11:23
I know but why are almost all the car media saying it's a 5.2 litre, are they stupit or have they all dyslexia.

btw, what has changed, the bore or the stroke to make it a 5002cc.
And what is the reason to lower the volume.

Hans.

Most media are idiots. Read the official documents instead of listening to children posting false information.

'Als erstes Fahrzeug weltweit hat er einen kraftvollen 5,0-Liter-V10-Biturbo-Ottomotor mit Benzindirekteinspritzung FSI®. Mächtige 580 PS (426 kW) verbergen sich unter seiner eleganten Motorhaube - und warten nur auf Ihr Kommando.'

skiwi
September 8th, 2007, 11:27
Yeah you're right, but he says:

"the Veyron's "DSG" is not a true dual clutch system.It is in fact based on the D2 A8 W12's 6spd tiptronic;redeveloped by RICARDO to employ a "run-off" clutch for excess torque and a proprietry magnesium and titanium casing and valves to combat excess heat soak.

The RS6 'box is essentially a veyron unit without the 2nd "clutch" and fancy casing. Also, the gears in the veyron box are made of CF and titanium whilst the RS6 has steel and tungsten"

interesting - the d2 w12 was not a 6-speed but the 5-speed unit. could be the d3 he is talking about i guess. i didn't think that the veyron was an auto box, but then i haven't seen much information onit at all....

but it could explain the comments on "fast acting"' with <100ms shifts

RS6Driver
September 8th, 2007, 11:45
Here are a few HQ (1920x1200) pics of the RS6. Image 9 is suitable for wallpaper usage! :)

http://img135.imagevenue.com/loc489/th_48724_RS6-1920x1200_ak_001_122_489lo.jpg (http://img135.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48724_RS6-1920x1200_ak_001_122_489lo.jpg)http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc390/th_48730_RS6-1920x1200_ak_002_122_390lo.jpg (http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48730_RS6-1920x1200_ak_002_122_390lo.jpg)
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc369/th_48732_RS6-1920x1200_ak_003_122_369lo.jpg (http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48732_RS6-1920x1200_ak_003_122_369lo.jpg)http://img178.imagevenue.com/loc171/th_48734_RS6-1920x1200_ak_004_122_171lo.jpg (http://img178.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48734_RS6-1920x1200_ak_004_122_171lo.jpg)
http://img28.imagevenue.com/loc687/th_48737_RS6-1920x1200_ak_005_122_687lo.jpg (http://img28.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48737_RS6-1920x1200_ak_005_122_687lo.jpg)http://img18.imagevenue.com/loc983/th_48743_RS6-1920x1200_ak_006_122_983lo.jpg (http://img18.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48743_RS6-1920x1200_ak_006_122_983lo.jpg)
http://img126.imagevenue.com/loc1119/th_48749_RS6-1920x1200_ak_007_122_1119lo.jpg (http://img126.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48749_RS6-1920x1200_ak_007_122_1119lo.jpg)http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc1168/th_48755_RS6-1920x1200_ak_008_122_1168lo.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48755_RS6-1920x1200_ak_008_122_1168lo.jpg)
http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc577/th_48762_RS6-1920x1200_ak_009_122_577lo.jpg (http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48762_RS6-1920x1200_ak_009_122_577lo.jpg)http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc900/th_48765_RS6-1920x1200_ak_010_122_900lo.jpg (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48765_RS6-1920x1200_ak_010_122_900lo.jpg)

:addict:

artur777
September 8th, 2007, 13:02
People, it's very important to know about QTV.
It will be a great dissapointment if it doesn't get it...
For such heavy car, QTV is badly needed to maintain good corenring abilities... 2025 kg is the same weight that some SUVs already have!

KresoF1
September 8th, 2007, 13:18
What does the press map say about the engine volume.
I say it's a 5.0 V10 TFSI and NOT a 5.2 litre.

Hans.

Hans,

5002ccm V10 as we already know. Press members are simply idi0ts how do not know nothing or are too ignorant so do not read official Audi RS6 Avant press map...

KresoF1
September 8th, 2007, 13:20
People, it's very important to know about QTV.
It will be a great dissapointment if it doesn't get it...
For such heavy car, QTV is badly needed to maintain good corenring abilities... 2025 kg is the same weight that some SUVs already have!

NO QTV.

And why is it important? Did you drive new Honda Legend? That system sucks big time IMHO. For me current quattro AWD(40/60) any time over Honda's QTV...

artur777
September 8th, 2007, 13:40
NO QTV.

And why is it important? Did you drive new Honda Legend? That system sucks big time IMHO. For me current quattro AWD(40/60) any time over Honda's QTV...

You compare Quattro and SH-AWD - not comparable!
I am sure that two similar cars with Quattro2 and Quattro3 will have serious difference in cornering abilities and a result - time at NF will be significantly faster.
RS6 weighs a lot and without QTV and it will be like a "truck".
My dealer tells me that if without QTV RS4 is more precise in handling and cornering than RS6!

jonas21
September 8th, 2007, 18:07
Well whats the deal with QTV? I personally dont need it. Additionally i dont want to purchase a 100.000+ car and be the beta tester for QTV on high performance Audis. They should test it in "normal" cars first. (remember DRC?...)

AuditudeA642
September 8th, 2007, 19:52
wawaweewa!!

skiwi
September 8th, 2007, 21:26
the new rs6 is only 100kgs heavier than my current rs6, and that corners just fine...

Ruergard
September 8th, 2007, 21:32
the new rs6 is only 100kgs heavier than my current rs6, and that corners just fine...

I'm just waiting for laptimes on the beast. I'm with you, I think this beast will corner very fast... :addict:

Hy Octane
September 8th, 2007, 22:10
the new rs6 is only 100kgs heavier than my current rs6, and that corners just fine...


Mine is 400 lbs lighter (curb weight 4024 lbs). But with our 'factory re-adjusted' DRC ride i'm sure the new one with a 3 stage ride setting will out do it as well as the 60/40 split.. But the telling tale is that with the extra weight plus 130 extra hp and the additional torque, its no faster to 60 mph than ours. In fact, I cant see where it will out do the current M5/M6. Its slower to 60 and will not be able to out corner the BMWs. This I dont understand.. One would think they would have made sure that it was the #1 performer. We'll see..

artur777
September 8th, 2007, 22:16
Mine is 400 lbs lighter (curb weight 4024 lbs). But with our 'factory re-adjusted' DRC ride i'm sure the new one with a 3 stage ride setting will out do it as well as the 60/40 split.. But the telling tale is that with the extra weight plus 130 extra hp and the additional torque, its no faster to 60 mph than ours. In fact, I cant see where it will out do the current M5/M6. Its slower to 60 and will not be able to out corner the BMWs. This I dont understand.. One would think they would have made sure that it was the #1 performer. We'll see..

I understand such doubts!
Remember M3 CSL which is not that powerful, but that racy and sporty.
Why so? The answer is WEIGHT!
So we have to see comparisson tests to understand the truth about new RS6.
I would like it to be the best, but there are some points that don't allow me to think so...

BTW, Mercedes S600 W221 does 0-200 at 15 sec also. And it has "only" 517 hp. That's the difference between RWD and AWD, considering their weight is more or less similar.

Rutkowsky
September 8th, 2007, 22:23
it's funny it is, BMW enthusiasts not happy about the new M3 and Audi enthusiasts not happy about the new RS6 and me being BMW/Audi big fan am just waiting patiently for real world tests, justy can't wait!

Leadfoot
September 8th, 2007, 23:50
I know but why are almost all the car media saying it's a 5.2 litre, are they stupit or have they all dyslexia.

btw, what has changed, the bore or the stroke to make it a 5002cc.
And what is the reason to lower the volume.

Hans.

I think it's the bore as I was told the reason for the drop in size was to thicken the cylinder walls to allow for the larger cooling needed in a turbo engine to rev this high.

Leadfoot
September 9th, 2007, 00:19
I am also amazing at the amount who are unhappy with the RS6, clearly they aren't listening to what I have been relaying to them. Firstly the RS6 will be quicker on the ring than the RS4, something that neither of the two big hitting BMW Ms could do, so clearly it out corners both of them. Depending on how much quicker it ends up will determine how it compares in handling to the RS4, if it's only 3 seconds then you can guess that the RS6 is losing a little time in the corners but is making it back and a little more on the straights. But if the difference is nearer 6 seconds than this would mean it's losing nothing in the corners and gaining everything on the straights, more than this and I thing we would be looking at the best handling RS model ever.

Secondly the acceleration figures, can I ask you all, what was Audi's figures for the RS4 and has it on numerous tests have they been beaten? Officially from Audi the RS4 does 0-100km/h in 4.8s but this has been bettered by up to 0.5s but on average it's 0.3s and the 0-200km/h time was over 17 seconds but again on numerous occasions the RS4 has posted 16 seconds and less. Take the new RS6 figures as very conservative and expect quite a few 13.?s to the 200km//h mark.

Don't doubt this car's abilities because they are truly amazing.:thumb:

skiwi
September 9th, 2007, 03:51
Mine is 400 lbs lighter (curb weight 4024 lbs). But with our 'factory re-adjusted' DRC ride i'm sure the new one with a 3 stage ride setting will out do it as well as the 60/40 split.. But the telling tale is that with the extra weight plus 130 extra hp and the additional torque, its no faster to 60 mph than ours. In fact, I cant see where it will out do the current M5/M6. Its slower to 60 and will not be able to out corner the BMWs. This I dont understand.. One would think they would have made sure that it was the #1 performer. We'll see..

the eay way to tell is to look at the build plate in the engine bay, that has the actual build weight (not the "official weight"). mine is 1910kgs.

also i would be gobsmacked if this thing wasn't faster than the competition. the torque is much greater than our cars, and the opposition, and it is this which makes the most difference in acceleration. simple physics says that 650nm of torque available at 1500rpm will destroy our cars and the opposition in the sprint. relatively low peak rpm will even things up at higher speeds but, again, that torque figure is available >6,00rpm as well. it is a deeply impressive engine, but we have to wait to see if it attracts the plaudits that the rs4 unit did.

i believe audi is playing the numbers down due to not wanting to attract too much attention to the car from the green lobby (not to be underestimated in germany). as it is, the press is using words like "riduculous" and "faintly ludicrous" to describe the power outputs.

the other factor in acceleration times will be the transmission. as another poster has siad this might not be the zf 6-speed as we all assumed, but a derivative of the veyron unit - hence the reported fast shift times. that also makes up time on the 0-100km sprint.

Leadfoot
September 9th, 2007, 10:07
A few other figures to play with, the power output is officially 571bhp (579ps) and this is produced at 6250~6700rpm, just shy of the 7000rpm cut-off point.

What this means is it's true performance range spans from 1500rpm to 6700rpm, not many engines can claim such a thing.

RussianM3_dude
September 9th, 2007, 10:42
This RS6 is probably the last of the old school, autobahn rockets. Future cars will concentrate on weight reduction rather then increasing horsepower.

jonas21
September 9th, 2007, 10:50
who knows....a biturbo W12 FSI would be quite insane :hahahehe:
But i guess due to the ongoing climate debate we will rather see lighter cars in the future.
Carbon stocks anyone?


This RS6 is probably the last of the old school, autobahn rockets. Future cars will concentrate on weight reduction rather then increasing horsepower.

skiwi
September 9th, 2007, 11:37
I hear that there is NO QTV. My source tells me that there wasnt enough time to add it. He says the 7th gen Quattro has a coupling that imitates QTV without the added cost and weight.

qtv is a coupling. basically a multiplate clutch between each side of the diff...

skiwi
September 9th, 2007, 11:46
This RS6 is probably the last of the old school, autobahn rockets. Future cars will concentrate on weight reduction rather then increasing horsepower.

i'd like to know where they would start? deleting 6 airbags, 18-way adjustable seats, sat nav systems, 4-zone climate control, 19" wheels and other things that we consider our right. (electronic stability control, antilock braking, automatic locking, etc...

light weight is a noble goal, but customers have shown that they don't like it much....

Leadfoot
September 9th, 2007, 14:49
The RS6 weighs 2025kgs or 2100kgs using what BMW deem as right, if Audi make the saloon version then you can expect it to weigh no more than 1980kgs or roughly 130kgs more than an M5. At least 50kgs plus accounts for the quattro system and another 50kgs for the turbo + piping that means the RS6 is really only 30kgs more than the M5 and that is easily accounted for in it's superior quality.:hihi:

Z07
September 9th, 2007, 15:16
i'd like to know where they would start? deleting 6 airbags, 18-way adjustable seats, sat nav systems, 4-zone climate control, 19" wheels and other things that we consider our right. (electronic stability control, antilock braking, automatic locking, etc...

light weight is a noble goal, but customers have shown that they don't like it much....
Keep the ABS and basic aircon, scrap everything else you mentioned. Yep, I'd go for that. Whatever happened to adjusting seats manually without heavy electric motors? Customers have grown fat and lazy and so have the cars.

artur777
September 9th, 2007, 23:11
qtv is a coupling. basically a multiplate clutch between each side of the diff...

Does that all mean that in RS6 we will have an electronic simulator of QTV at the reart axle?

Arslanoff
September 9th, 2007, 23:22
Who knows the estimated price tag for RS6 in base in Germany?

skiwi
September 10th, 2007, 01:25
Does that all mean that in RS6 we will have an electronic simulator of QTV at the reart axle?

our rs6's already have that - it's called edb - electronic brakeforce distribution. this effetcively forces torque across the diff in low tractions conditions <80 km/hr using the brakes...

artur777
September 10th, 2007, 10:16
Why then mechanical QTV is needed?

Leadfoot
September 10th, 2007, 10:24
An electronic one isn't diverting the power to the other wheel, only braking the wheel without grip, so on these occasions you aren't getting full power at the axle like you would with a proper LSD.

skiwi
September 10th, 2007, 11:30
An electronic one isn't diverting the power to the other wheel, only braking the wheel without grip, so on these occasions you aren't getting full power at the axle like you would with a proper LSD.

actually it is, that is how torque operates, but the disadvantages are difficulty of control, the time taken for control, and the effect of heat on the disc's that cause the system to no longer operate. this is one of the reasons for the 80 km/hr exclusion....

Leadfoot
September 10th, 2007, 11:39
actually it is, that is how torque operates, but the disadvantages are difficulty of control, the time taken for control, and the effect of heat on the disc's that cause the system to no longer operate. this is one of the reasons for the 80 km/hr exclusion....

Please expect because this sounds like my understanding of the difference is behind the times when comparing these systems to that of a LSD.

Leadfoot
September 10th, 2007, 15:02
I don't know how many are aware but BMW are to give their M5 turbo power to compete with the RS6. Will with be a turbo to boost low end torque instead of extra top end power?

As for competing with the RS6, I was informed that Audi are on the ball and the power can be tweaked accordingly among other things :hahahehe:, me reckons the power war is about to begin. :hahahehe:

RussianM3_dude
September 10th, 2007, 15:47
I am thinking less weight instead.

Leadfoot
September 10th, 2007, 16:05
There is the difference, I know what it is and you think you do. I also know that the M3CSL will have a different gearbox than the standard M3 and it is being rushed in to production quickly because of the bad press.

PachiPachihand
September 10th, 2007, 16:12
Just curious what the RS6 is capable of to handle this ass:

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r288/PachiPachihand/bens-amg.jpg


Or Is it more likely that u would never have to see it?
Clearly a RWD 500 hp+ car cant be used over the winter season though, a Kia owner would probably be able to race this car:P

Ruergard
September 10th, 2007, 18:05
Just curious what the RS6 is capable of to handle this ass:

Or Is it more likely that u would never have to see it?
Clearly a RWD 500 hp+ car cant be used over the winter season though, a Kia owner would probably be able to race this car:P

I think the mercowner will be the one who spots an ass.. :harass:

Leadfoot, I heard that about the M5 getting turboed. If this is true, it seems like BMW are bit scared about what the RS6 will do to their beloved M5. :applause:

But for me, I think it's an M5CS just like the M3CS.

rs-6
September 10th, 2007, 20:15
are we seeing the price-list tomorrow?
can't wait to configurate the new RS6 :love2:

Iceman
September 10th, 2007, 20:34
Brabus Bullit 730 hp/1320 Nm V12 Bi-Turbo.

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2007/9/10/9070910.002/9070910.002.1M.jpg

The game is on.

Hans.

Ricoloco
September 10th, 2007, 20:43
Yeah, but that car is sick. Not to mention the pricetag, will they sell more than 5 cars a year?!

Leadfoot
September 10th, 2007, 22:27
Who here thinks that this new Twin-turbo M5 engine will be another high-revving unit it presently is and will it be an equal to the new RS6.

I personally expect the engine to rev a little higher than the RS6 but doubt it will match the RS6's sheer spread of torque that the RS6 unit can muster.

One thing for sure, it will prove to be a better overall package than the current unit.

42TT
September 10th, 2007, 23:00
I highly doubt the new M5 V10 turbo engine will keep the NA V10 rpm range as MTM are finding out with the RS4 MTM Supercharged car running high (RS4 runs over 25m/s standard vs formula 1 run ~27m/s NA) piston speed combined with charged air creates loads that requires a very strong engine and being a road car with warranty i doubt they will risk it, bare in mind the M5/M6 V10 in NA form has/had oil burning issues.

Look at the Buggatti Veyron and Brabus Bullit for proof that stroke and boost work very well together and the new RS6 V10TT is no exception.

42tt

RS6Driver
September 12th, 2007, 11:07
http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_05z+audi_RS6+side_vi ew.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_04z+audi_RS6+rear_vi ew.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_01z+audi_RS6+front_v iew.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_06z+audi_RS6+front_t hree_quarter_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_03z+audi_RS6+rear_th ree_quarter_view.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/frankfurt/112_2007_frankfurt_motor_show_02z+audi_RS6+front_t hree_quarter_view.jpg

Benman
September 12th, 2007, 17:40
Well, with that ^^^, stealth goes right out the window!

Ben:addict:

Iceman
September 12th, 2007, 18:50
White RS6.

http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_02.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_03.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_04.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_05.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_06.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_07.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_08.jpg
http://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/20070912004743/image_09.jpg

Hans.

Leadfoot
September 12th, 2007, 20:34
This white one is the dog's bits.

Ruergard
September 12th, 2007, 20:39
I'll take the white one home any day! :addict:

But the red one would due as well. ;)

Erik
September 12th, 2007, 21:32
The ibis white one looks really good in pictures (and IRL), but there's nothing wrong with the misano red. The problem with the red is that it's hard to catch "IT" with a picture, so enjoy the white one... It's what Audi chose to launch first at the press conference. The red one was far away.

42TT
September 12th, 2007, 22:11
Red car's are scientifically quicker :)

Erik
September 12th, 2007, 22:13
Red cars are scientifically more often stopped by the Police.

"Arrest me red"

But, with 580 hp at hand who needs to worry? ;)

jonas21
September 12th, 2007, 22:23
hmm does the cockpit have a oil temp. meter? i cant see one on the pics. whats the max speed on the speedo? wonder if it will be sufficent once delimited ;)

jonas21
September 12th, 2007, 22:24
Well just offer him a quick run as co-pilot. I am sure he'll loose the ticket then....either this way or atleast by acceleration force ;)


Red cars are scientifically more often stopped by the Police.

"Arrest me red"

But, with 580 hp at hand who needs to worry? ;)

42TT
September 12th, 2007, 22:58
Unless the speedo goes to 320km/h i doubt it will be of any use once de-limited ;)

Leadfoot
September 12th, 2007, 23:48
Unless the speedo goes to 320km/h i doubt it will be of any use once de-limited ;)

Think a little higher.;)

The RS6
September 13th, 2007, 09:09
hmm does the cockpit have a oil temp. meter? i cant see one on the pics.

It's in the left corner...

jonas21
September 13th, 2007, 09:25
It's in the left corner...

Are you sure? On the pictures posted here theres a engine cooling temp meter there. You can easily see it cause there is no "oil can" near the temp. meter.

The RS6
September 14th, 2007, 09:42
Are you sure? On the pictures posted here theres a engine cooling temp meter there. You can easily see it cause there is no "oil can" near the temp. meter.

Oh, sorry, didn't read your question completley :blush:

f1esp
September 16th, 2007, 17:12
This is a great day!

I created RS6.com just before the first RS6 was launched and I hope and think it has been the best international website for the RS6 and other high performance Audis.




You have done a fantastic work

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

and... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

:0: :0: :0: :applause: :applause: :applause: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Leadfoot
September 16th, 2007, 18:37
Erik,

Sorry for not congratulating you sooner.

I reckon you must feel a little like the man who started Youtube, OK on a smaller scale but all the same to have a membership of over 5500 and ever growing is an amazing achievement. I wonder how many have tried and failed where your succeeded.

Once again, well done.:applause:

P.S.

I think your great but the wife hates your guts because I am never away from it. I reckon she should be happy as technically I'm not cheating on her.:D

tonsberg31
October 10th, 2007, 09:34
Hi everyone,
I'm newly registered to this forum but I have been following you all closly for over a year.

just wanted to fill in on some details about the new RS6 which might answer some of the questions erlier in this tread.

1) The person with the ponytale on Icemans pictures is Jens Koch, he is the chef of this new RS6 prodject for Quattro Gmbh.

I had the pleasure of talking to him for over an hour at Frankfurth motor show.

2) there is an oil temprature messurment meter within the MMI system, there is also an Boost pressure mesurement meter within the MMI system:) The speedo goes to 330 km/h on the new RS6.


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tonsberg31
October 10th, 2007, 15:45
http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5603&stc=1&d=1192027338

tonsberg31
October 10th, 2007, 15:54
Close up on speedo...

tonsberg31
October 10th, 2007, 16:01
Audi RS6 starting price in Germany € 106.900,-

Toto89
October 12th, 2007, 06:48
Thanks for the infos. If there is a boost pressure meter, don't you know how much boost the engine use? I'm very curious and couldn't find any data about this.:confused:

Benman
October 12th, 2007, 20:33
Audi RS6 starting price in Germany € 106.900,-

Wow... that would equate to $150K USD...:bigeyes:

Ben:addict: