AMS test BMW M3 E92

[Boj R6]

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102545

[KK265]

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=102545

RS4 b7 and M3 E92 are very close in performance figures

[Fab]

Very close figures indeed.

the 0-200 is unexpectedely "slow" compared to the quattro power loss on the RS4

:rs4addict

[AudiSuperDriver]

the times please, who has them?i need to know

[Fab]

click on the link.

0-100 4.9s
0-200 16.7s

[Leadfoot]

Very close figures indeed.

the 0-200 is unexpectedely "slow" compared to the quattro power loss on the RS4

:rs4addict

Don't you mean to says, what we are lead to believe that Quattro's power lose is. It's situations like above that prove to me that Quattro doesn't lose anything like what is believed, look at the facts, they kick out the same power and near enough the same torque, the RS4 weighs as tested by AMS over 150kgs more and yet the post identical times.

This is the second test to show that the best the M3 is posting is in the 16s, not the results some on this site were expecting, slower by as much as 2s to 200km/h. :hihi:

[Fab]

More than this " quattro's power loss" the extra weight of the RS4 drove me on the dark side and made me believe of a quicket M3 especially to 200km/h...

I am now even prouder of my beast :D

[Leadfoot]

What I believe is happening is that the Quattro does lose a lot more power through the drive-train than the BMW rwd sytem, it's just Audi's horsepowers are more powerful than BMWs. :hihi:

[Fab]

I agree :hihi: and your statement is based on facts :D

[Erik]

For some reason this thread comes to mind...

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12545

Also, what are the quarter mile 402 m times for the RS4 B7?

Faster than 13,1 sec. / 176 km/h?


Also, what was this RS4 drinking? :D
http://www.einszweidrei.de/audi/audirs442v8fsilim2006-1.htm
0 - 200 km/h 15,6 s :D

[Leadfoot]

I'm a great believer on averages, the RS4 averages out for the 200km/h run @16.4s and 1/4mile runs @ 13.1s, so far this is near enough identical for the E92 M3.These two cars seem to have more things in common than just having the same price, same power, same number of gears and now the same performance.

You could say that you are now only picking one over the other because of brand preference and that's the way it should be. :thumb:

[KresoF1]

Erik,

According to German AMS measurements new M3 is faster then current RS4 Saloon...

RS4 Saloon(AMS 20/2005)

0-100km/h: 4.7s
0-160km/h:11.0s
0-200km/h:17.2s
400m: 13.1s(174km/h)
60-100km/h: 5.0s/6.8s(4./5.)
80-120km/h: 6.4s/8.5s(5./6.)

Slalom 18m: 64.3km/h
ISO: 138.5km/h
Weight: 1778kg


BMW M3 Coupe(AMS 19/2007)

0-100km/h: 4.9s
0-160km/h:10.6s
0-200km/h:16.7s
400m: 13.1s(176km/h)
60-100km/h: 5.0s/6.0s(4./5.)
80-120km/h: 5.8s/7.3s(5./6.)

Slalom 18m: 66.7km/h
ISO: 138.0km/h
Weight: 1615kg

Audi R8(AMS 10/2007) Magnetic Ride, 19"

0-100km/h: 4.6s
0-160km/h:10.8s
0-200km/h:16.7s
400m: 13.0s(178km/h)
60-100km/h: 4.9s/6.6s(4./5.)
80-120km/h: 6.3s/8.7s(5./6.)

Slalom 18m: 69.2km/h
ISO: 149.4km/h
Weight: 1632kg


Autocar tested new M3 as well, most interesting thing is high speed acceleration...
0-60mph: 4.7s
0-100mph: 10.2s
0-120mph: 15.0s
0-150mph: 26.5s

Just as comparison(yes, I know different mags!) R8 numbers from EVO 106...
0-60mph: 4.3s
0-100mph: 10.4s
0-120mph: 14.7s
0-150mph: 26.7s

Hmm... One of the EVO guys already posted on one BMW forum that R8 is not any faster then new M3 in straight line. Of course, story is pretty different on any track...

[Fab]

I don't know why but this post will be growing rapidly :D :D

[Leadfoot]

Autocar tested new M3 as well, most interesting thing is high speed acceleration...
0-60mph: 4.7s
0-100mph: 10.2s
0-120mph: 15.0s
0-150mph: 26.5s

Check what Autocar got for the RS4, if memory serves me right it to was in the high 26s or low 27s for the 150mph run.


Hmm... One of the EVO guys already posted on one BMW forum that R8 is not any faster then new M3 in straight line. Of course, story is pretty different on any track...

To quote from audi ch on a statement from the Sport Auto review of the R8 on the ring


They said on the first look it is straing that the lighter r8 has slower highspeeds than the heavier rs4, but the cause is that the r8 has more drag then the heavier rs4, (bad drag coeficant due to his big face and additional oppenings on his side) and so this is probably the reason for the highspeed difference.

Though I disagree with this it looks that on some situations the RS4 is also quicker than the R8.

Point being both the M3 and the RS4 are very evenly match on performance, handling and ride quality. The only real reason for choosing one over the other in brand preference and practicality.

Oh yes and either rwd or awd.

[Erik]

According to German AMS measurements new M3 is faster then current RS4 Saloon...

I went by the RS4 sport auto Supertest figures, which is RS4 = 16,9 secs.

This one is nice as well ;) As tested in in AMS 04/2006
http://www.einszweidrei.de/audi/audirs442v8fsilim2006-1.htm
0-200 km/h in 15,6 seconds. :hahahehe:

[KresoF1]

Erik,
That very fast example of RS4(0-100km/h in 4.4s according to AMS!) is without Nav system and some other comfort options(no rear electric windows etc) so, it was around 75kg lighter...

BTW, currently the fastest R8 was tested in 0-200km/h in 15.3s by Auto Bild Sportscar edition in last issue...

[AudiSuperDriver]

RS4 is much more faster than the new M3 (but DEPENDS ON WHO'S DRIVING IT), as you know RS4 posted at LEAST 4.4s to 100km/h, but other obtain even 4.1s to 100km/h SO THE DRIVER IS VERY IMPORTANT! So the best times for the RS4 is 0-100km/h in 4.1s, 0-200 in 15.9s, faster than the M3 but slower than the R8, who was timed by 0-100 to 3.9s (the fastest test ever), 0-200 in 15.4s, so do not compare different drivers to different times, just compare best times of M3 and ebst times of RS4 PLEASE!

[AudiSuperDriver]

and as same as the link i have from a member from this forum this is one of the best times RS4 came with...http://www.einszweidrei.de/audi/audirs442v8fsilim2006-1.htm
Any people to disagree?!If you are DRIVER A VERY GOOD DRIVER YOU WILL NEVER BE BEATEN BY AN M3 E92!NEVER!

[Fab]

:jlol: :jlol: :jlol: :jlol:

[KresoF1]

Oh yeah...
RS4 is faster then 997 Turbo... R8 is faster then 997 GT2 or RT12...

Ups... I am under Superstardriver influence...

It is nice to be wake-up again.

[Clio16V]

I've read somewhere that the RS4 B7 0-250 does in 32.8s

[AudiSuperDriver]

i saw with my eyes in a GPS Garmin module of a STOCK RS4 (B-82-DVL) my friend's form audi dealer RS4 did 0-100km/h in 4.13 (before he put the new Milltek exaust) and 0-200 in 15.9 so please do not talk when you don't know the reality...and R8 could EASLY beat the crap 911 Turbo, not GT2 but on some racetracks he beat the crap 911Turbo (you know the EVO test) so where is the point of that?I didn't say MY REALITY but THE REAL REALITY, so please be more patient and more reality guy...you know that at least 5 magazines said that R8 has the best SHASSY IN THE WORLD, and the best neutral handlling to the limit and his suspensions are magnific...better than any Magneride from Ferrari (maybe audi did change something to them to work so well) but you know that the future R8 V10 will destroy cars like SLR 722 Edition, Gallardo (maybe even Superleggera), maybe GT2 and many others great cars...when you (audi) invent the mid-engine car and ferrari at that time doesn't exist, when you win 7 times in le mans 24h race, when you build the biggest diesel in world, when you have WORLD CAR PERFORMANCE OF THE YEAR (RS4) what do you expect?!if 3 years of RS4 beat the crap the newest launched M3 (heavier than RS4 but the same power) what do you think the future will come with from Audi?An RS4 better than any future M5, an RS6 C6 and RS6 C6 Plus better than supercars and maybe hypercars, an RS5 better than any future M3 CSL and maybe an RS8 better than any future S65AMG...so what's the conclusion?

[Erik]

Thanks AudiSuperDriver, you have done your time here (once again).

Enjoy your fun(?) elsewhere.

Thank you and let's get back to the subject.

[Erik]

Erik,
That very fast example of RS4(0-100km/h in 4.4s according to AMS!) is without Nav system and some other comfort options(no rear electric windows etc) so, it was around 75kg lighter...

Certainly, but 75 kg won't do that much difference on its own.

A very good press car I'd suspect ;)

[Leadfoot]

It unfortunate that in today high tech Internet world that you can ban someone for good.

Back on topic.

I agree with Erik, a lively press car. I haven't read any report that had a RS4 taking 32s to reach 250km/h(155mph), no doubt that final 5mph would take a couple of seconds to complete. But in any case unless you are on the Autobahn must craps would have been finished long before either car had reached the 155mph point.

Are we all in agreement that both cars are very evenly match because to think otherwise is reading other reports than the ones I have read.

[artur777]

Leadfoot, agree!

The two cars are very similar in perfomance matter.
The only 2 things:
1) if some years ago Audi tried to run for BMW, now it is BMW who is trying to match for Audi.
2) my expectations that M3 CSL will be a hell of a car - a real M3. And B8 RS4 will be its direct competitor.

[KresoF1]

IMHO now we can say that RS4 B7 is actually an amazing car... It is 2 years old and new M3 is at the same level...

Let's only hope that future RS5 and RS4 will be better in all aspects then current RS4. Since new S5 is very good car indeed my hopes are with RS5 because new A4 is bigger car with longer wheelbase so, it will not be that curve friendly as shorter wheelbase A5/S5 platform.

BTW, this friday Auto Bild will publish comparison between new M3 and S5.

[artur777]

KresoF1,

it will be very interesting to look at the figures.
Of course, M3 will be faster, but not for ages - my guess.

[Leadfoot]

I am not expecting much in this comparison between the S5 and the M3, it's going to be miles slower and it won't provide anywhere like the feel of the M3, but in saying that it much better built especially inside, it's ride is very impressive and though it can't match the performance, it's not slow either.

If at the conclusion they felt impressed enough to consider the S5 an alternative to the M3 then it would speak volumes of what to expect when the RS5 makes it's appearance.

[Fab]

Leadfoot, agree!

The two cars are very similar in perfomance matter.
That's right same story RS4 B5 vs M3 E46 : very close performance wise. Obviously Audi managed to improve the handling and chassis habilities which as we all know was the major deficiency of the B5.

Personally I like the new M3 very much then it is a matter of choice and preference. :cheers:

[artur777]

That's right same story RS4 B5 vs M3 E46 : very close performance wise. Obviously Audi managed to improve the handling and chassis habilities which as we all know was the major deficiency of the B5.

Personally I like the new M3 very much then it is a matter of choice and preference. :cheers:

Agree!
It is also very interesting to understand where MB C63 AMG will lie comparing to RS4 and M3:confused: .

[Erik]

I am not expecting much in this comparison between the S5 and the M3, it's going to be miles slower

This M3 was faster.

S5

0-100km/h: 5.1s
0-200km/h: 19.0s <-- Not bad considering

100-0 km/h: 34.0m - 34.4m

Fuel consumption: 13.7 l /100 km

M3

0-100 km/h: 4.9s
0-200 km/h: 15.7s

100-0km/h: 33.4m - 34m

fuel consumption: 13.2 l/100km (=17.8 mpg (US) - 21.4 mpg (UK))
which equals a reach of 480km

[Fab]

not bad at all conseidring S5 extra weight and HP deficit.

I wouldn't like to be a M3 driver trying to chase an S5 on wet road conditions :nana:

[Leadfoot]

Erik,

Did you get to read the review, what was their opinions on the two cars and the test comparison overall.

[Leadfoot]

not bad at all conseidring S5 extra weight and HP deficit.

I wouldn't like to be a M3 driver trying to chase an S5 on wet road conditions :nana:

Personally I don't think the road would have to be wet for the M3 guy to have problems, just a little twisty should do the trick.:thumb:

[Fab]

exactly my thought but I did not want to :cry: anyone :jlol: :jlol: :jlol:

[KresoF1]

Erik,

Did you get to read the review, what was their opinions on the two cars and the test comparison overall.

Leadie,

I am not Erik but, I already got that issue of Auto Bild... They liked both cars very much. S5 is more everyday/everyweather car according to their opinion and M3 is more a true sportscar(although, IMHO neither M3 or RS4 are true sportscars like 997 Turbo or Gallardo)... In the end S5 impressed them but, M3 wows...

[audi_ch]

Autobild = Autoblöd.

I think, it is one of the unserioust car magazine ever in germany

Good sportcars magazines are sport auto (with its great supertest, and auto motor sport.)

I personally want to see how the m3 performes in the supertest.
Was it not aswell the autobild witch messured the rs4 in 15,6 sec..

Dont take autobild to serious

[Leadfoot]

Leadie,

I am not Erik but, I already got that issue of Auto Bild... They liked both cars very much. S5 is more everyday/everyweather car according to their opinion and M3 is more a true sportscar(although, IMHO neither M3 or RS4 are true sportscars like 997 Turbo or Gallardo)... In the end S5 impressed them but, M3 wows...

Thanks mate and great to see that this small disagreement didn't damage the friendship and respect we still have for each other. :cheers:

It the sort of result I was expecting and would agree with, the M3 is more the sportscar than the S5 will ever been even if it can carry amazing speed through the bends in much the same manner as the M3. This is the third full road test and the quickest time to date for the M3 (200km/h in 15.7s) which looks like the car in averaging out in the low 16s. Like wise the S5 is also averaging out in the high 18s/low 19s for the same speed.

I agree that neither are true sportscar but than again they are catering for a much wider buying public than either a 997 or Gallardo so there has to be compromises. The very fact that both the RS4 and M3 can run with these big hitters without looking out of place and out of their depth speaks volumes for how far this class of car have come.

I'm expecting the new RS6 to move the game on again making to reason for owning a proper supercar even more difficult than before.