RS4 vs M5 Video

[3x5PSI]

Here's Pitzi's M5 vs SoulBlade's RS4 for Wildman & Leadie. Bear in mind that according to the official 1km standing starts quoted times from BMW, the E92 M3 is only 0.3 slower than the M5 over a full kilometre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYoT-ajqPQ

Wildman, when we hooking? You can test your RS4 against Soul's as well.

[Leadfoot]

Here's Pitzi's M5 vs SoulBlade's RS4 for Wildman & Leadie. Bear in mind that according to the official 1km standing starts quoted times from BMW, the E92 M3 is only 0.3 slower than the M5 over a full kilometre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYoT-ajqPQ

Wildman, when we hooking? You can test your RS4 against Soul's as well.

As M&M so like to show results from one source and perferrably on the same day, at the same track and by the same driver. I provide the results of the 2006 AUTOCAR 0-100-0 times event.

Autocar_0-100-0_Event_2006 (http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/29/bugatti-veyron-0-100-0-in-9-9-sec/)

BMW M6 14.95

BMW M5 15.20

Audi RS4 15.80

By the way the RS4 was 0.2s quicker than the M5 at braking back to zero. As you lot like to use this term a lot.....WTF, an RS4 is only 0.8s slower to 100mph than an M5. Which excuse are you going to use this time, the M5 and M6 were drove without LC and in the wrong gearbox setting. :lovl:

This is for your friend SoulBlade, who did you buy that RS4 out of, as you need to go to Trading Standard because you've been sold a RS4 with a 2.0TFSi engine. :hihi:

I saying this because it's either the slowest RS4 in the world or you are the worst driver. ;)

Take your pick, I will think it funny either way. :lovl:

[Erik]

Is it possible to have the arms any straighter than the guy in the M5?

What does he do when he needs to steer the car?

[piero]

LOL, the M5 driver is funny...he's a "straight line specialist" with his arms straghts like I!!....

[Leadfoot]

Is it possible to have the arms any straighter than the guy in the M5?

What does he do when he needs to steer the car?

Erik,

He's a racing driver don't you know, his driving something with F1 racing technology in it, it a racing car.:incar:

[Leadfoot]

M&M,

I can still call you that.

Just because your experience with racing RS4 in you M3 is that you are as quick or possibly quicker is not important, the average split times between the two cars from almost all the magazines that have tested both cars puts the RS4 roughly 2 seconds ahead and it's that what matters.

My personally experience is that my S4 was as quick if not quicker than the M3 but I class mine an exception to the rule, a one off so to speak. Maybe where you are from the M3 suits the temperature and fuel quality better than a RS4, I don't know but everywhere else it's the RS4 that's the quicker.

[JavierNuvolari]

Is it possible to have the arms any straighter than the guy in the M5?

What does he do when he needs to steer the car?

My exact same thought...what an ass...anyways...as Leadie said " he's probably a racing driver" lol:harass:

[Leadfoot]

My exact same thought...what an ass...anyways...as Leadie said " he's probably a racing driver" lol:harass:

Maybe his come from Italian sportscar, as you need to be a monkey to drive them comfortably, such is the straight arms driving position.

And JavierNuvolari, you can't call him an ass :nono: ............ without adding the hole at the end. :hihi:

[JavierNuvolari]

And JavierNuvolari, you can't call him an ass :nono: ............ without adding the hole at the end. :hihi:


Bwahahaha...my bad mate:hihi: . :cheers:

Saludos!

[3x5PSI]

Ok so 1stly a 0-100mph is very traction dependant. It is very possible that an RS4 could be only 0.8 slower than a V10 to 100mph from a stop. Superior traction will give it a big head start. The numbers for both V10 cars are pretty poor & indicate that the traction was in fact poor.

By the same token, I see the Z4 M Roadster was only 0.15 slower than the RS4. I checked the weight of the Z4 Roadster & it is not much lighter than an M3 at all. SO pray tell why could the RS4 not pull away from an S54-engined car with much poorer aerodynamics than an M3? The shoe fits both ways.

BTW there is nothing wrong with Soul's RS4. It's as fast as the other 3 we had at the track day. The fastest time was set when"Mr Faster" was asked to drive by one of the RS4 owners, so you can't say driver was a problem. And there were THREE different RS4's at the track.

[Leadfoot]

Ok so 1stly a 0-100mph is very traction dependant. It is very possible that an RS4 could be only 0.8 slower than a V10 to 100mph from a stop. Superior traction will give it a big head start. The numbers for both V10 cars are pretty poor & indicate that the traction was in fact poor.

By the same token, I see the Z4 M Roadster was only 0.15 slower than the RS4. I checked the weight of the Z4 Roadster & it is not much lighter than an M3 at all. SO pray tell why could the RS4 not pull away from an S54-engined car with much poorer aerodynamics than an M3? The shoe fits both ways.

BTW there is nothing wrong with Soul's RS4. It's as fast as the other 3 we had at the track day. The fastest time was set when"Mr Faster" was asked to drive by one of the RS4 owners, so you can't say driver was a problem. And there were THREE different RS4's at the track.

WTF I think I will use this as my new saying.:hihi:

In your own video that you posted your mate in his RS4 was destroyed off the line, so what are you saying. :confused:

Was this race set up for our benefit or is your mate really that bad of a driver, shit man I was only joking was I stated as much. :hihi:

It looks like your argument is falling down around you.:lovl:

[Damienr8]

Is it possible to have the arms any straighter than the guy in the M5?

What does he do when he needs to steer the car?

LOLOLOL :hihi:

[Ruergard]

The guy in the RS4 should probably have a lesson in engines and gearboxes..?

Please rev over 8000 rpms and change gear like a man, not my mum.

[audi_ch]

just imagine, he is shifting 4 times and los everytime 0.25 seconds to a good shifter. 1 second is really quick to loose.

But the good thing, new m3 is a manuel shifter to, and imagine the amount of wheel spin the bmw m3 boys produce to follow from a still start the rs4...

I saw some good drivers to put around 4000 rpm from a still start and then release the clutch, and i tell you the car was almost flying away.

ok those persone really dont care about the car, they dont pay anything

[3x5PSI]

WTF

In your own video that you posted your mate in his RS4 was destroyed off the line, so what are you saying. :confused:


Well, over here it rains very little & we have great flat roads with either asphalt or concrete with extremely good traction. If you listen to the video he had LC engaged at 4500rpm & the car had very little wheelspin. If you watch most other videos on the net you will see V10's spinning through 1st gear, into 2nd & even chirping into 3rd.

You can't compare one video with a set of 2 cars to another video on another continent with a different set of cars & then draw conclusions.

Say, you didn't answer why the Z4 Roadster was so close to the RS4?

[Leadfoot]

The guy in the RS4 should probably have a lesson in engines and gearboxes..?

Please rev over 8000 rpms and change gear like a man, not my mum.

I didn't notice a lot of face hair, Ruergard it might just have been your mumr after all. :D

But seriously this race between the RS4 and the M5 I have some questions for both The owner of the RS4 and 3x5PSI. Great video, my favour kind 'fiction', anyway back to the vid, we have already discussed the standard start which SoulBlade man you are crap at launching and I suggest stopping the drag racing, you are giving Audis a bad name. In the second race, the rolling start one, I notice that both of you started in 2nd gear and in fairness you did get a bit of a jump on the M5, but within the space of 6 seconds and only part way through 3rd gear the M5 had got you, using what knowledge I have of both cars and their respective acceleration speeds I have come to the option that you started acceleration at about 25mph (based on the time of 4secs for the M5 to change in to 3rd gear) and you were overtook by around 85mph.

So 3x5PSI, you say this is typical of all the RS4s you have experience at the events you attend. Well no wonder you guys are not rating the RS4 because you must be living in the only country in the world with the slowest RS4 but the quickest BMWs.

Dare I say you guys, that where you live is giving you a warped sense of reality. :hihi:

[wild-rs4-man2]

big deal !!! who even sais the rs4 guy was putting foot , or changing gears properly


M5 has that silly gear,, auto box anyway what a uninvolving drive anyway,, you can see this with the straight arms of the drive

he should be in a "straight jacket " how boaring is that

and the M5 has a v10 so duhhhh come one be real

i had a go against a m5 and i was pretty close, beaten but much much closer than the video shows

anyways BMW guys you are kinda pissed off that all good car test show that the RS4 beats the E46 M3 and the new M3 V8 , you are just pissed !!! even have to prove that by comming on a audi forum and chirping the odds,,, how silly

get a life !!!

[KK265]

just imagine, he is shifting 4 times and los everytime 0.25 seconds to a good shifter. 1 second is really quick to loose.

But the good thing, new m3 is a manuel shifter to, and imagine the amount of wheel spin the bmw m3 boys produce to follow from a still start the rs4...

I saw some good drivers to put around 4000 rpm from a still start and then release the clutch, and i tell you the car was almost flying away.

ok those persone really dont care about the car, they dont pay anything
Today Top Gear Greek magazine tested new M3 against RS4 V8 sedan.Results will be published 3th of September.I know an journalist and phoned to him so he told me that was impossible on an airfield to do better than 5,2 secs 0-100 km/h for the M3 and 4,9 secs for RS4 on first trial.Today we have 36 Celsious degrees in Greece.RS4 was quicker for accelaration on high gear and low speed.He also told me that new M3 is more GT than previous model.Scans and details on 3th of September.....

[audi_ch]

z4 m roadster, same engine as m3 e46 with 343 hp, and about 1450kg

the roadster my friend is quicker then the m3 e46.

compare times on www.einszweidrei.de (http://www.einszweidrei.de)

in a test on auto Motor sport he had 17.2 sec up to 200kmh.

m3 around 18 sec

Was the rs4 a limo or an avant. because big difference.

limo time between 15,6 and 17,0 sec, officali 16,5 by Audi.
avant time by audi 17,0, testet between 16,9 to 17,9

[wild-rs4-man2]

yes

dont they also read and write backwards in greece ! alover the world the new M3 is slower than the RS4 , WHAT makes Greece so different !

[Leadfoot]

Say, you didn't answer why the Z4 Roadster was so close to the RS4?

Check their respective 0-100-0 times for the Z4M and the E46 M3 at AUTOCAR events, if you are seeing what I already know then you really should be asking this question.

But since you ask for this, here you go.

(BMW M3)
(0-30mph: 2.01mph)
(0-60mph: 5.00secs)
(0-100mph: 12.12secs)
(Reaction time: 0.31secs)
(100-0mph: 4.61secs)
(Overall: 17.04secs)

BMW Z4 M Roadster
(30mph : 2.06secs)
(60mph - 5.04secs)
(100mph - 11.46secs)
(Reaction time : 0.12s)
(100-0 - 4.37secs)
(Overall: 15.95secs)

Need I say more.:boring:

Audi RS4 vs BMW M5 E60
(30mph : 1.87secs) (2.37s)
(60mph : 4.49secs) (4.96s)
(100mph : 10.61secs) (10.25s) explain where the killing is between them
(Reaction time: 0.72s) (0.63s)
(100-0mph : 4.47secs) (4.32s)
(Overall: 15.80secs) (15.2s)

[3x5PSI]

Leadie, Autocar got the M3 faster than that. I posted the test against the C55.

[Leadfoot]

Leadie, Autocar got the M3 faster than that. I posted the test against the C55.

But you like so much to talk about events on the day and by the same drivers on the same surfaces. I am only sticking to your rules. :hihi:

M&M, sorry mate but this time you are licked. :jlol:

[3x5PSI]

Audi RS4 vs BMW M5 E60
(30mph : 1.87secs) (2.37s)
(60mph : 4.49secs) (4.96s)
(100mph : 10.61secs) (10.25s) explain where the killing is between them
(Reaction time: 0.72s) (0.63s)
(100-0mph : 4.47secs) (4.32s)
(Overall: 15.80secs) (15.2s)

To 30mph the RS4 is 0.5 secs faster. HALF A SECOND TO 30mph!

To 100mph, the M5 is 0.36 faster. So from 30-100mph, the M5 is 0.86 secs faster.

I can work out how many metres that is but if I hazard a rough guess, when travelling at that speed, that works out to 30-35metres or 6-7 lengths the M5 will make up from 30-100mph.

So then Soul's video is right. The record for an RS4 at Tarlton is 14.1 @ 157. Pitzi's M5 runs 12.8 @ 182 at the same track (5500ft above sea-level).

That's a 1.3 second gap over a standing start 400m. And that is over the record time for multiple RS4's & the record time was done when Mr Faster was driving.

[3x5PSI]

But you like so much to talk about events on the day and by the same drivers on the same surfaces. I am only sticking to your rules. :hihi:

M&M, sorry mate but this time you are licked. :jlol:

Fair enough. But when were the Z4 Roadster & M3 tested on the same day? :jlol:

[audi_ch]

Fair enough. But when were the Z4 Roadster & M3 tested on the same day? :jlol:


do you really think that the same engine on those two cars with almost 100kg wight differences doesent give a different power ouput messured in times....

And i think there is really no need to compaire rs4 with m5. m5 goes with rs6, or better m6 goes with rs6 (new model.)

And the rs4 goes with m3 just that the m3 doesnt have for doors and not for weehl drive and only have a wight gaine over70 kg.

Put the m3 with 4 doors and the wight is almost equal..

But still mister Richter from the m gmbh thinks the m3 is sutch a super hitech car..

[3x5PSI]

do you really think that the same engine on those two cars with almost 100kg wight differences doesent give a different power ouput messured in times....

Yes I do. Reason being 100kg is worth maybe 0.1 second, 0.2 at best.

2ndly, the Roadster has a soft top which induces more drag the faster you go & slows you down.

[Leadfoot]

Fair enough. But when were the Z4 Roadster & M3 tested on the same day? :jlol:

It wasn't me who brought out the Z4M argument, by the was check the PTW of the Z4M Coupe compared to that of the M3, unless I am mistaken the Z4M has a comfortable advantage over the M3.

And still it was nearly 0.9s slower than the RS4 to 100mph. :p


To 30mph the RS4 is 0.5 secs faster. HALF A SECOND TO 30mph!

To 100mph, the M5 is 0.36 faster. So from 30-100mph, the M5 is 0.86 secs faster.

I can work out how many metres that is but if I hazard a rough guess, when travelling at that speed, that works out to 30-35metres or 6-7 lengths the M5 will make up from 30-100mph.

I will roughly work this out for you.

RS4 ahead at 30mph by 0.5s equivalent to 6.5metres or just over 1 length, by 60mph it 0.43s the equivalent to 11metres or just over 2 lengths ahead. By 100mph the M5 is ahead by 0.36s equal to 15metres or 3 car lengths. Answer is 5 lengths from 30mph, but it's still only 3 lengths ahead at 100mph.

I ask you, did you see any of that in your video.:vhmmm:

[3x5PSI]

By 100mph the M5 is ahead by 0.36s equal to 15metres or 3 car lengths. Answer is 5 lengths from 30mph, but it's still only 3 lengths ahead at 100mph.

I ask you, did you see any of that in your video.:vhmmm:

You are saying EXACTLY what I said. The M5 came from 5 lengths behind to 3 lengths ahead. So in total it made up 8 lengths.

BUT YES! You are correct. The margin of victory is only 3 lengths at the end.

However, in our runs we are not coming from 5 lengths back. We are doing similar 60ft's. So we are running level off the line & then we can get the full 8 lengths ahead.

A few reasons might be our warm dry climate which makes our roads abrasive with good traction. 2ndly at 5500ft we lose 17% power & torque & hence we can rev higher & come out the hole quicker than the equivalent sea-level car.

[Leadfoot]

You are saying EXACTLY what I said. The M5 came from 5 lengths behind to 3 lengths ahead. So in total it made up 8 lengths.

BUT YES! You are correct. The margin of victory is only 3 lengths at the end.

However, in our runs we are not coming from 5 lengths back. We are doing similar 60ft's. So we are running level off the line & then we can get the full 8 lengths ahead.

A few reasons might be our warm dry climate which makes our roads abrasive with good traction. 2ndly at 5500ft we lose 17% power & torque & hence we can rev higher & come out the hole quicker than the equivalent sea-level car.

Explain to me how you got a degree because I am at a lose. You are saying that the M5 made up 8 lengths.

OK, once again I will explain it. At 30mph the RS4 is 1 length ahead, at 60mph it have gained another length, making it now 2 lengths ahead, at the 100mph point the M5 is 3 lengths ahead. That means between 60mph and 100mph it clawed back the 2 lengths lost and gain an extra 3.

2 + 3 = 5.

It's basic maths, but clearly to advanced for anyone with a physics degree. :lovl:

If you are getting something as basic as this wrong I have no faith in any of your other calculations.

[3x5PSI]

According to my calculations it is more than that. I need to pull up the VBox graphs to show you what I mean. But I assume you know that when you travelling 100mph, you cover more metres per second that 30mph. VBox graphs coming up.

[Leadfoot]

Trust me I did do the calculations, though it was rough and based on a mile being roughly 1600m. Sue me if I am out by a few feets.

[3x5PSI]

The beauty of having a club like ours is that we all have various cars & access to testing facilities & 3 Racelogic Vbox's amongst us. We will inevitably have loads of data on every car any one of us owns. Now here you will see the RS4 gets a better launch & is ahead (Red line). The difference in 60ft times was only 0.1 on this occasion as an M5 on our dry, rough strip with launch control comes out the hole pretty hard with sub 2.0 60ft's being possible under ideal conditions.

So at 4.05 seconds the cars are basically level, with both having covered 55metres:

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1613-1/RS4M5a.JPG

At 11.5 seconds at this elevation, the RS4 should be doing 100mph. At that point, the M5 has managed to get 35 metres ahead. That's roughly 7.7 carlengths in a matter of 7.5 seconds.

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1616-1/RS4M5b.JPG

I can also prove that using this magzine test. This is the only mag I know of that has the distance covered when testing time to speed. After 9.09 seconds the V10 has got to 160km/h in 232.5 metres. The RS4 as tested by the same mag had covered 203 metres when it was doing 160 km/h. I don't have the scan of the RS4 test, but I found that scan on this forum so I'm sure someone else can post a link to it.

http://mmm.os.org.za/d/1619-1/immagine0208hh.jpg

[SoulBladeZA]

Nothing wrong with the RS4 mate. Nor was I driving it like miss daisy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqdgTg3PrS8

The thing loses too much power and bogs when launching, AWD has too much traction.

[SoulBladeZA]

Is it possible to have the arms any straighter than the guy in the M5?

What does he do when he needs to steer the car?

He had to put the seat all the way back so that his head wasn't in the camera's way.

[OzRS4]

Hi Guys, I can't believe what's happening around here lately! I hope it's all for a good laugh, we all need that these days don't we? :lovl:

And what's with those dead straight arms? He's definitely a 1/4 mile specialist!!!! :doh: I would hate to see what happens if he ever hit something front on :nono: Ouch...I think both of my elbows just snapped!

Life is short, enjoy your cars and be happy. :cheers:

[wild-rs4-man2]

Nothing wrong with the RS4 mate. Nor was I driving it like miss daisy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqdgTg3PrS8

The thing loses too much power and bogs when launching, AWD has too much traction.


AWD has to much traction ,, now thats a first !!!

what I do is as follows , ESP off ( single touch only ) , sports button activated, 4500 rpm , dump the clutch , i mean dump the clutch, I get lanched like no other,,,,, it looks like in the video this was not done ! you need to lanch the baby otherwise even a MINI COOPER S will give you carrots !!!!

[SoulBladeZA]

AWD has to much traction ,, now thats a first !!!

what I do is as follows , ESP off ( single touch only ) , sports button activated, 4500 rpm , dump the clutch , i mean dump the clutch, I get lanched like no other,,,,, it looks like in the video this was not done ! you need to lanch the baby otherwise even a MINI COOPER S will give you carrots !!!!

Traction control was switched off entirely, did a 7500rpm clutch dump. The piece of tar I was launching on was on Kingsway in Auckland Park, roads there have a lot of grip so the car bogs. On an unprepped track like Tarlton running 3 bar+ tyres pressures it launches nicely at 7000rpm with just enough wheelspin.

It launches hard all right, but nowhere near as hard as you can get it to go at the coast, biggest problem being that it only makes around 360nm up here so it's very hard to induce the wheelspin needed to equal the getaway that Car Magazine got

[SoulBladeZA]

Hi Guys, I can't believe what's happening around here lately! I hope it's all for a good laugh, we all need that these days don't we? :lovl:

And what's with those dead straight arms? He's definitely a 1/4 mile specialist!!!! :doh: I would hate to see what happens if he ever hit something front on :nono: Ouch...I think both of my elbows just snapped!

Life is short, enjoy your cars and be happy. :cheers:

See my reply to Erik regarding the straight arms :p