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KK265
August 3rd, 2007, 00:19
Greek magazine 4wheels ( the biggest) this month compares these cars.S5 is the winner of the test.
Performance:S5 335i
0-60km/h 2,5 2,8 secs
0-100 5,3 (85,1m) 5,5 (89,7m)
0-160 12,2 12,6
0-400m 13,5/168 km/h 13,8/168 km/h
0-1000m 24,5/218 km/h 24,9/217 km/h
Brakes:120km/h-0
53,3m 55,4m

chewym
August 3rd, 2007, 00:27
Good to know, exactly what I thought.

Fab
August 3rd, 2007, 09:18
BMW has to be used to be 2nd now :applause:

Leadfoot
August 3rd, 2007, 11:05
The result is what I expected but not the figures. I have it on good authority that the S5 should be able to post the 0~160km/h in 11.6s and the 0~200km/h in 18.5s. Though these times aren't much better than the old E46 M3 when combined with the extra grip available from the new chassis I reckon the old M3 wouldn't stand a chance unless the road was dead straight.



It will be interesting to see if any of the reviews in the future achieve such a time.

AudiSuperDriver
August 3rd, 2007, 12:21
great review mate, please someone try to fix somebody ideea from this forum who said that bmw is faster than audi on higher speeds...yeah right...and i am prince william:)))RS4 beat the crap new M3 in drag race and also as we all see the new S5 beat the crap 335i....hmmm...and we will se the new RS6 who will be the sportiest and most advanced saloon in the world and of course will have the best performance...

Fab
August 3rd, 2007, 12:32
:applause: :hihi: :applause:

artur777
August 3rd, 2007, 13:57
Guys, S5 is a good car certainly!
But 335i is also very good.
I have driven both of them and tell you that boh of them are very good cars!

EKaru
August 3rd, 2007, 14:25
The S5 is priced significantly higher than the 335i (around $12K diff), so until the RS5 is released, the S5 is an E92 M3 competitor....

Right now Audi only has the S6 as their mid-sized performance division car and it was never intended to compete against the M5 and E63 AMG. Despite this fact, it still placed first in Motor Trend against the M5 and E63...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/luxury/sedan/112_0702_luxury_sports_sedan_comparison/results.html

In a Car & Driver comparison it came 2nd and lost by only 1 point to E63 AMG: (with the M5 coming in 3rd)
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/12144/2007-audi-s6-vs-2007-bmw-m5-vs-2007-mercedes-benz-e63-amg.html

.....so what I'm getting at is that the S5 might do better against the E92 M3 than you might think it will despite being outpowered (just as the S6 was to the E63 and M5)....
Eric....

Fab
August 3rd, 2007, 15:29
The S5 is competing with the 335i and definitely not with the M model no matter if the price is higher. Price is only marketing policy.

RS models compete with M models this is obvious (sportiest model vs sportiest model).

EKaru
August 3rd, 2007, 16:04
The S5 is competing with the 335i and definitely not with the M model no matter if the price is higher. Price is only marketing policy.

RS models compete with M models this is obvious (sportiest model vs sportiest model).


The B6/B7 S4 did very well against the E46 M3 in Road & Track, Car & Driver, Top Gear etc... The 335i starts at $40,800 over here (WAY below the $53K MSRP of the S5)
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=913

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/6568/2003-audi-s4-v-bmw-m3-v-m-b-c32-amg.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzGBSvyuUwg

Ruergard
August 3rd, 2007, 16:04
Thanks for those figures, but as Leadfoot said. I think the S5 has the grunt to post lower times to 160 km/h and 200 km/h. But we'll see in upcomming tests if we are right or just dreaming.. :D

Leadfoot
August 3rd, 2007, 16:51
The times I am suggesting are similar to that of the old E46 M3 so they aren't out of the question.

KK265
August 3rd, 2007, 17:54
The times I am suggesting are similar to that of the old E46 M3 so they aren't out of the question.
Same magazine and driver October 2003:
S4 saloon manual 0-100 5,8secs 0-160 13,7secs,0-200 22,3 0-400m 13,8/162 0-1000m 25,4/211km/h
M3 manual 0-100km/h 5,5secs 0-160 12,3 0-200 19,5secs
0-400 m 13,7/169 0-1000m 24,9/218km/h
Brakes: 120-0 S4 62,7 m and M3 57,6m

Leadfoot
August 3rd, 2007, 19:04
The M3 figures supplied by KK265

Performance:S5 (E46 M3)
0-100 5,3 - (5,5)
0-160 12,2 - (12,3)
0-400m 13,5/168 km/h - (13,7/169 km/h)
0-1000m 24,5/218 km/h - (24,9/218 km/h)
Brakes:120km/h-0
53,3m - (57,6m)

I must say the similarity is uncanny, but we know that an M3 can post better times than these so I reckon I am right in my estimations. I reckon a good gauge of the S5's potential is something between that of a S6 and S8. :hahahehe: Well up to 230km/h that is, from then on I reckon either of them will put away pretty sharpest.

MPT
August 4th, 2007, 16:31
The S5 is competing with the 335i and definitely not with the M model no matter if the price is higher. Price is only marketing policy.

RS models compete with M models this is obvious (sportiest model vs sportiest model).

I still don't know why people don't get this. The A5 is named "B8", but really, it is closer to the A6, than the A4, and therefore the E92 3-series. It is like saying that the BMW 6'er is in the same "class" as the 5'er or the 7'er - it sits between.

Leadfoot
August 4th, 2007, 17:44
I still don't know why people don't get this. The A5 is named "B8", but really, it is closer to the A6, than the A4, and therefore the E92 3-series. It is like saying that the BMW 6'er is in the same "class" as the 5'er or the 7'er - it sits between.

The new A5 is 100% based on the next A4 and not the current A6, it's size has increased in much the same way the the E92 is bigger than the E46.

Like Fab said, the S5 doesn't compete directly with the E92 M3 though in fairness I reckon that it won't disgrace itself if the comparison was made. Audi has clearly choose to distance the S5 models from the M3 or either BMW decided to move the M3 in to direct competition with the RS4/5, but which ever it is the M models are now fair game for the RS4/5/6.

GAME ON. :hihi:

MPT
August 4th, 2007, 18:37
The new A5 is 100% based on the next A4 and not the current A6, it's size has increased in much the same way the the E92 is bigger than the E46.

Like Fab said, the S5 doesn't compete directly with the E92 M3 though in fairness I reckon that it won't disgrace itself if the comparison was made. Audi has clearly choose to distance the S5 models from the M3 or either BMW decided to move the M3 in to direct competition with the RS4/5, but which ever it is the M models are now fair game for the RS4/5/6.

GAME ON. :hihi:

Regarding the A5 / A4 you're incorrect!

Yes, the MLP-platform that is used in the A5 will also be used in the new A4 - But it will also be used in the next A6, A7, A8, Q5 and also possibly in the next A3. We will see this in - at least almost - all Audis (and few VW's) in the near future.

"100% based on the next A4" is quite a statement. The aluminum-parts (on the body, and in the suspension) will be too expensive for the next A4 - so that is not the same. The A5 is also bigger, has a more "luxurious" interior, and is better equipped - similar to the A6. It also costs about the same as the A6.

This is not just something i have made up - about the A5 being in another class than the A4. This is what Audi oficially say - just ask a dealer if you don't believe me.

RussianM3_dude
August 4th, 2007, 19:19
So Audi needs a sports version of the a4 to equal a simple top 3er. Ooooo, I am sure BMW is quacking in their boots. For the price difference between the S5 and 335, you can add so many mods, RS4 will get spanked, let alone the S5.

Leadfoot
August 4th, 2007, 19:59
Regarding the A5 / A4 you're incorrect!

Yes, the MLP-platform that is used in the A5 will also be used in the new A4 - But it will also be used in the next A6, A7, A8, Q5 and also possibly in the next A3. We will see this in - at least almost - all Audis (and few VW's) in the near future.

"100% based on the next A4" is quite a statement. The aluminum-parts (on the body, and in the suspension) will be too expensive for the next A4 - so that is not the same. The A5 is also bigger, has a more "luxurious" interior, and is better equipped - similar to the A6. It also costs about the same as the A6.

This is not just something i have made up - about the A5 being in another class than the A4. This is what Audi oficially say - just ask a dealer if you don't believe me.

I think you are misunderstand what I was saying, the next A4 and A5 are using the exact same basic chassis structure, the A4 basic dimensions will be the same, sure the suspensions components will be different, like wise the interior designs. Where as the next A6 will be stretched version of the MLP platform and no doubt have a different interior design also.

The only area where the A4 and A5 will differ is in width, height and of course rear space.

The A5 have been marketed as an alternative to a 3series Coupe or a CLK not the 6Series or CL, so the A5 will be regarded as a 2 door version of the A4 in much the same way as the 3series Coupe is regarded as a 2 door version of the saloon and the same goes for the Merc. And regardless of what Audi are saying this is the basic facts, it will have a small price premium over the saloon, much like the other two brands, it's not a new version that is filling the gap between the A4 and A6. The A6 will get it's own coupe type in the form of the A7 (4dr) just as the CLS is the coupe version of the E-class.

Hawk
August 7th, 2007, 11:59
BMW M3 figures

Automobilismo 0-1000m 24,35 225 km/h
http://www.automobilismo.it/edisport/automobilismo/notizie.nsf/SommarioPub/91D8F7F49794F085C1256D26004E2061?OpenDocument

Quattroruote 0-1000m 24,1
http://www.quattroruote.it/prove_su_Strada/prestazioni.cfm?CodProva=183&marca=85

BMW M3 SMG II
Automobilismo 0-1000m 24,24 224,5 km/h
http://www.automobilismo.it/edisport/automobilismo/notizie.nsf/SommarioPub/5FA19EFA3560A762C1256D02004FA004?OpenDocument

Quattroruote 0-1000m 24,1
http://www.quattroruote.it/prove_su_Strada/prestazioni.cfm?CodProva=250&marca=85

Leadfoot
August 7th, 2007, 12:11
Thanks Hawk,

More proof that the S5 is the match of the E46 M3.

skratch
August 7th, 2007, 20:18
don't forget that with 3000 us dollars you can have the 335 making over 450hp (crank)and like 465+ftlbs of torque

chip 1300
downpipes 700
exh 700

mis 300(gages,blow off valve,ect.)

and 400wheel hp

Gotta love turbo engines

Leadfoot
August 7th, 2007, 20:23
Sorry skratch but I am not one of those people who like to void a warranty just to make my car quicker. But I do see your point and why Audi have been pro-turbo for most of it's recent life.

Leadfoot
August 9th, 2007, 12:46
Autocar in it's latest edition has given the S5 it's toughest group test yet. The most diverse group of cars, each with their own merits as the list of rivals will reveal. The Impreza RB320 (blistering speed and point to point pace), the BMW 335d M/Sport Touring (quality combined with low-end grunt), Vauxhall VXR8 (one of the best bang for your buck cars around) and the Jaguar S-Type R (amazing ride & handling combination).

Well to cut to the chase, the S5 was amazing, it shadowed the Imperza in acceleration to 100mph and the handling circuit by (0.3s) and (0.2s) respectively. I was a little disappointed in it's time (12.7s) which isn't that great, but in fairness all the cars didn't perform that well and anyonw with a 335d will know that it's more than capable of achieving better than 13.99s to 100mph.

It's ride was classed as amazing especially with the size and width of tyres involved and over the Welsh roads it was the match of the special Imperza for pace and ability. It was highly praised for it interior design and quality, in fact they compared that of the BMW to be low rent in comparison.

The overall winner and clearly in their eyes a very impressive car indeed.