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tazsura
May 30th, 2007, 10:56
Hey guys,

Been a while since my last post...have been in Miami. Great place....;-)

Anyway, latest issue of EVO has the test results and track time of the R8...

Shocking! would be a word to describe......

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SHOCKINGLY AMAZINGLY GOOD THAT IS!!!

Taz

:R8: :R8kiss:

El_cucaracha
May 30th, 2007, 12:44
can you post the track times of that cars? and which is best by EVO?

tazsura
May 30th, 2007, 12:46
I'm at work at the moment, havn't got EVO on me.

But lets just say it beat the GT3, Gallardo and the Koenigsegg (spelling ?) by some margin!

And it was picked first out of the group comparison. Note - C4S had the optional power pack too.

Taz :R8kiss:

El_cucaracha
May 30th, 2007, 12:55
:R8kiss: :R8kiss: :R8kiss: :R8kiss: :R8kiss: :R8kiss:

Ruergard
May 30th, 2007, 14:34
The times, NOW! :D

Audi really has created something special. I bet there is some serious headache at BMW camp right now! :R8kiss: :hahahehe: :harass:

:R8:

RXBG
May 30th, 2007, 14:52
come one guys! this is THE test i've been waiting for! i'll be running out to the bookstore this afternoon and post if no one beats me to it. i just hope they have it. i'm on the other side of the pond.

tazsura
May 30th, 2007, 15:21
Im at work guys! Sorry! :cry: :cry:

If it ain't posted by the time I get home...i'll post!! :bow:

It's defo worth the wait though! BELIEVE ME!!!!

Taz :R8: :D

Leadfoot
May 30th, 2007, 15:57
I must say I am looking forward to tomorrow when EVO finally hits the street for sales over here, it's the only UK magazine that in my opinion isn't as bias to certain brand names as some others are that I won't care to mention. If they say an Audi ain't that great then chances are it isn't because they see the bigger picture that you are not always driving flat open and living with the thing is just as important.

So if they say the R8 is better than it's rivals then I believe them, but then again I would.:D

El_cucaracha
May 30th, 2007, 16:21
Audi R8 v BMW M6 v Porsche 911 C4S v Prodrive V8 Vantage
This is quite possibly 2007’s most important group test. Of course, you think you know which one wins already, don’t you? This is good old, rear-engined evo after all. Well, the victor certainly comes from a company with great standing at Le Mans. And yes, it’s a German manufacturer on top of the podium. It’s got four-wheel drive too. All of which means it’s probably not the Aston…

this was written on EVO website....

RXBG
May 30th, 2007, 17:19
i hear the p car had the X50 package----------- wonderful!!!!!!!!!! and the vantage the prodrive pack. and then the ugly M6 i hate so much. i've been DREAMING of this one guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gnomik007
May 30th, 2007, 18:26
Incredible result from Audi, well done, does it mean that V10 will be even faster?

SuperstarDriver
May 30th, 2007, 20:18
M6 really sucks on design and performance figures...and R8 did the best and kicked him off:D

RXBG
May 30th, 2007, 21:19
sorry guys. not available at local borders bookstore. can someone please post the data? you euro peeps- it ain't hard to stop by the tobaconist's, buy the darn thing, and run home to post the info before its bed time for you over there.

KresoF1
May 30th, 2007, 22:13
0-100mph: 10.4s

Bedford West Circuit: 1.22,1min

For comparison...
F430F1 1.24,2min
Porsche 997 Turbo 1.23,55min
Porsche 997 GT3 1.23,1min
Ferrari 599GTB 1.23,1min
Lamborghini Gallardo(520hp) 1.22,8min

Verdict: R8 is the sportscar with the best chassis currently on the market.

Leadfoot
May 31st, 2007, 00:24
I will tell you what this result really means down the pub, finally we can shut-up the BMW M owners about Audi not being able to build an amazing drivers car that not only out handles all the competition but does so with up to 100hp less in some cases which is mind boggling. And remember this isn't a re-bodied Gallardo but a total redesign using the best technology available.

Now what we need to see in the future is the rest of the quattro range adopting a more rear bias power balance than is presently on offer, say 30/70 or even 25/75 which would still provide the grip Audi are famous for but also offer the kind of result that the R8 is now enjoying.

Anyway, bravo Audi. :applause:

SuperstarDriver
May 31st, 2007, 11:29
M Power Sucks As I Told You So On Every Post I Had, So What Did Anyone Said About M6?better And Faster Than R8?:))))dream On...audi Rocks...hmmm...580hp Rs6, 450hp Rs5, 480hp Rs4 (2009), Tt Rs 350-360hp...rs3 350hp....so Where Is Bmw Now?in The Trash Of Course Were It Will Remain For Long Time...bv R8:)

Leadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 12:06
M Power Sucks As I Told You So On Every Post I Had, So What Did Anyone Said About M6?better And Faster Than R8?:))))dream On...audi Rocks...hmmm...580hp Rs6, 450hp Rs5, 480hp Rs4 (2009), Tt Rs 350-360hp...rs3 350hp....so Where Is Bmw Now?in The Trash Of Course Were It Will Remain For Long Time...bv R8:)

Are you sure that Audi will give the RS4 more power than the RS5 as this would surely go against what it normal in the industry. The coupe should at least be the same if not more than the saloon, unless Audi are going to up the power of the RS5 when the RS4 finally hits the street but if this was the case and I had bought a RS5 before this I for one would be very angry.

As for the TT/RS and RS3, Hans is under the impression that Audi might not develop these cars as it would be stretching Quattro GmbH production too far, they could cope with possibly 3~4 cars at any one time but not possibly 6~7 if you include the RS8.

What does anyone else think on this matter?

tazsura
June 1st, 2007, 12:20
I agree, I doubt the RS5 will have less power than the new RS4. I think/hope Audi has more respect for it's customers than to change the RS5 power only a few years into it's cycle. Do we know which engine the RS5 will have yet? V10 like the EVO hack suggested? Or the more likely V8?

LOL..much to suprise of Autocar (when reporting on the RS6, they suggested that Audi will only produce one RS model at a time!), I think that 4 RS model lines at one time would be the limit of Quattro Gmbh.

I very much doubt an RS3. 90% sure this won't happen. With regards to a TT RS, i think there will be a lighter-weight version with a slight power hike, but it will probably not get the RS moniker.

Just my two cents! :vhmmm:

Taz :cheers:

Yahh
June 1st, 2007, 16:07
Those times are amazing!! Beating the F430 and GT3 on a track is just out of this world. Oh, and the verdict isn't that bad either :hihi:

Toto89
June 1st, 2007, 16:21
I see this from a different angle: do you think next RS4 will get "only" 450hp??? This car is minimum 5 years from now and current RS4 engine with only 30hp more would be a big dissappointment. These cars (RS5, RS4) will need at least 500hp to keep up with opponents. Ok, M3 is not a real competitor, but look at Mercedes-Benz, with their new 6.2 L engine which they give to almost every AMG models they are very hard to beat. E63, CLK63, CLS63 are cars which are faster than any current models. Ok, maybe Audis left behind them on the ring but one could not always refer to corners. This is a point which Audi must admit, not every people know cars so much to consider Audi is better although they are slower in straight line.
I try to stand for a conservative and acceptable standpoint here, but if car buyers see everywhere that Audi is slower than others, they will probably buy the other brand. Thats why i write things like this.
/sorry for my poor English, i hope you understand what i mean/

Damienr8
June 1st, 2007, 16:52
I see this from a different angle: do you think next RS4 will get "only" 450hp??? This car is minimum 5 years from now and current RS4 engine with only 30hp more would be a big dissappointment. These cars (RS5, RS4) will need at least 500hp to keep up with opponents. Ok, M3 is not a real competitor, but look at Mercedes-Benz, with their new 6.2 L engine which they give to almost every AMG models they are very hard to beat. E63, CLK63, CLS63 are cars which are faster than any current models. Ok, maybe Audis left behind them on the ring but one could not always refer to corners. This is a point which Audi must admit, not every people know cars so much to consider Audi is better although they are slower in straight line.
I try to stand for a conservative and acceptable standpoint here, but if car buyers see everywhere that Audi is slower than others, they will probably buy the other brand. Thats why i write things like this.
/sorry for my poor English, i hope you understand what i mean/

Jesus When are these horsepower wars going to end??? Why give the RS4 450-500 HP? Why not instead focus on weight saving technlogies, improvements to the chassis, and the overall dynamics of the car. I think at this point, adding 50-100 hp to the next model is retarded. Look how the R8 is crippling the competition of cars costing double its prices. I hope they put the same magic into the RS4 and 5. :hihi:

SuperstarDriver
June 1st, 2007, 17:07
Audi is concentrating on destroying BMW because Mercedes Benz it doesn't make sporstcars in real life, they can't build even an drag race faster car than an Audi (should i ask you to see again the SL 55 vs RS4 drag race?) Audi is making the faster premium car in the world on their categories isn't that clear for you?!Look what it did R8 with less power but the best shassy in the world!!!!!

Toto89
June 1st, 2007, 17:13
Jesus When are these horsepower wars going to end??? Why give the RS4 450-500 HP? Why not instead focus on weight saving technlogies, improvements to the chassis, and the overall dynamics of the car. I think at this point, adding 50-100 hp to the next model is retarded. Look how the R8 is crippling the competition of cars costing double its prices. I hope they put the same magic into the RS4 and 5. :hihi:

Friend, you should consider many factors in this question. Let's see what's are them:
-weight saving is a good thing but if you want as good weight/power ballance as a 500hp version could have, you should decrease it's weight at about 150-200kg and this easily could be more expensive than giving a more powerful engine to it.

-When i say 500hp, i imagine a V8 biturbo power plant. This is what Audi has much more experience than in any other concepts and cost slightly more than an RS4 engine.

-R8 is a masterpiece, you are right when you want "the same magic" in a similar-engined car, but it's not so easy as it sounds: first of all RS4 has a great engine and a magnificent drive train which makes it better than the faster and more expensive E60 M5. R8 has the same but with the world's best build up: flat, wide, mid-engined race car. This is "the magic" which makes it a killer on the track.
You can't expect this from a front-engined coupé in my opinion. With RS4 engine, RS5 would be slightly faster in straight line but nothing else. With Biturbo, that could also be a killer.

KK265
June 1st, 2007, 18:12
Hey guys,

Been a while since my last post...have been in Miami. Great place....;-)

Anyway, latest issue of EVO has the test results and track time of the R8...

Shocking! would be a word to describe......



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SHOCKINGLY AMAZINGLY GOOD THAT IS!!!

Taz

:R8: :R8kiss:
The test in Greek language.Audi won Porsche says at the end :

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Damienr8
June 1st, 2007, 19:24
Friend, you should consider many factors in this question. Let's see what's are them:
-weight saving is a good thing but if you want as good weight/power ballance as a 500hp version could have, you should decrease it's weight at about 150-200kg and this easily could be more expensive than giving a more powerful engine to it.

-When i say 500hp, i imagine a V8 biturbo power plant. This is what Audi has much more experience than in any other concepts and cost slightly more than an RS4 engine.

-R8 is a masterpiece, you are right when you want "the same magic" in a similar-engined car, but it's not so easy as it sounds: first of all RS4 has a great engine and a magnificent drive train which makes it better than the faster and more expensive E60 M5. R8 has the same but with the world's best build up: flat, wide, mid-engined race car. This is "the magic" which makes it a killer on the track.
You can't expect this from a front-engined coupé in my opinion. With RS4 engine, RS5 would be slightly faster in straight line but nothing else. With Biturbo, that could also be a killer.

I agree with all your points to an extent, but I think the costs involved with weight saving compared to a turbo charged version of the V8 should be about the same. I would rather the car lose 150kg than have the enginer turbocharged with 50 extra hp, easily. :cool2:

Leadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 20:36
I agree with all your points to an extent, but I think the costs involved with weight saving compared to a turbo charged version of the V8 should be about the same. I would rather the car lose 150kg than have the enginer turbocharged with 50 extra hp, easily. :cool2:


I am not trying to pick sides here but to drop 150kgs in any car costs big bucks, especially in luxury cars like the RS6. We all want the thing to perform, to handle, to stop but don't expect us to do without or luxuries and that is the bottom line, to make a car lighter on the cheap you need to get rid of the luxury items which none of us will do.

So how else do you go about it, well lighter alloys are a go start but these cost on average an extra £1500, ceramic brakes are good but again the cost is over £5000, then there is the alloy or carbon panels, if you think about the price difference between the CSL compared to the ordinary M3 or the M6 compared to the M5 you will see this also is a no goer.

Well it looks like we are back to the increasing power idea after all.:D

SuperstarDriver
June 1st, 2007, 21:09
RS6 could use different carbon fiber materials for lowering the weight for the RS6 as had been told by my dealer so RS6 will loose weight for sure!

Damienr8
June 1st, 2007, 21:09
I am not trying to pick sides here but to drop 150kgs in any car costs big bucks, especially in luxury cars like the RS6. We all want the thing to perform, to handle, to stop but don't expect us to do without or luxuries and that is the bottom line, to make a car lighter on the cheap you need to get rid of the luxury items which none of us will do.

So how else do you go about it, well lighter alloys are a go start but these cost on average an extra £1500, ceramic brakes are good but again the cost is over £5000, then there is the alloy or carbon panels, if you think about the price difference between the CSL compared to the ordinary M3 or the M6 compared to the M5 you will see this also is a no goer.

Well it looks like we are back to the increasing power idea after all.:D

Im still a no go for the power increase...I am sure they can come up with better ways to reduce weight while keeping the costs the same / slightly higher. :hihi:

SuperstarDriver
June 1st, 2007, 21:10
higher power increase and lower weight that's how it gonna be...prepare yourselfs for the ultimate driving sportscars...

Audiphile
June 1st, 2007, 21:42
Why does the M6 cost more in Russia than the R8?

Leadfoot
June 1st, 2007, 22:56
Why does the M6 cost more in Russia than the R8?

Maybe BMW are rated more highly and as such command a higher ticket price.

El_cucaracha
June 1st, 2007, 23:02
actually this prices ar for greece, this version of EVO is Greek... and, audi is one of the highest rated cars in russia, more than BMW and even Merc..

Ruergard
June 16th, 2007, 14:49
"A new dawn starts today." :R8:

Just been reading the magazine. It takes some time for it to come over the water... Awesome review. EVO is like nothing else when it comes to carmagazines.

If anybody hasn't read it yet I can try to upload it here if there is any interest? :)

Mori
September 6th, 2007, 17:31
Dude just upload it already!!! :)