Official - RS6 580hp

[andreadebi]

Info from a friend that went at the European Dealer Meeting at Marbella where the new cars for 2007-2008 were unveiled.These are the only info that gave.

2 enormous exhaust
wider
580hp
Press Release on July

Q7 V12 TDI
Q5 very nice
A5 cabrio 2008 (not shown if is softop or hardtop)
A3 cabrio with softop
Very very nice a4 sedan and avant

[Leadfoot]

This must be the event my dealer told me he was going to. You state the RS6 is wider than standard, does this mean it will look a bit like the RS4.

I just thought of something, if Pitzi was a little pissed with us lot telling him that he had bought the wrong car in the M5 instead of the RS4, he'll be livid when the RS6 comes out.:hihi:

Just think how many BMW fools will be filling our site come that time.

[Bingocaller]

580 hp is insane! I know we all wanted these numbers but HELL YEA!

Thats an increase of 130 hp over the "old" RS6 and 71 over the E60 M5!

This car will blow the socks off absolutely everything!

[andreadebi]

also 2000kg.....

[jonas21]

I am sure it will beat the current M5, not by much (because of weight) but still.
We'll see tuners offering chips to bring it to 640-650 hp soon after its release.

[DJim]

That's great news :D Audi's future looks good, they are just crazy with al the rs's Audi is really no underdog anymore :D:D

[Damienr8]

Seriously 580 is enough! When are these horsepower wars going to end...

[Bingocaller]

Seriously 580 is enough! When are these horsepower wars going to end...

Hopefully never ;)

[Hy Octane]

Once again quisha is correct.

[artur777]

People, this information is great!
RS6 with 580 hp! It's fantastic!

But if we put emotions aside, let's think about weight.

BMW M5 - 1830 kg
Audi RS6 - ?

Audi S4 w/manual - 1660 kg
Audi RS4 - 1650 kg
It means that RS4 is 10 kg less than S4.
And it's all without implementing ceramic brakes, carbon fiber roof and etc

Audi S6 - 1910 kg
Audi RS6 - approximately 1900 kg
But if RS6 model includes such features like ceramic brakes, carbon fiver roof and etc, it could be even 1870 kg.

Please look that new Audi S5 is of the same weight as BMW 335i - both are about 1650 kg.

So I don't think that M5 will be thal lighter than RS6.
Yes, it will be lighter, but not that much.

In my opinion,

RS6 will be faster than M5 at 0 -140
M5 will be faster than RS6 at 140+
RS6 will leave M5 dead at any twisty road or any weather other than dry

What do you all think about my predictions?

[Leadfoot]

I am sure it will beat the current M5, not by much (because of weight) but still.
We'll see tuners offering chips to bring it to 640-650 hp soon after its release.

Why go to a tuning house when Audi will be offering these kind of figures when the RS6+ is launched.

And yes it will destroy the M5, it might only have an extra 71hp over the M5 but it will have in excess of 120ft/lbs of torque more and the added advantage of awd and hey who knows maybe even QTV as well.

[Leadfoot]

Audi S6 - 1910 kg
Audi RS6 - approximately 1900 kg
But if RS6 model includes such features like ceramic brakes, carbon fiver roof and etc, it could be even 1870 kg.

Please look that new Audi S5 is of the same weight as BMW 335i - both are about 1650 kg.

So I don't think that M5 will be thal lighter than RS6.
Yes, it will be lighter, but not that much.

In my opinion,

RS6 will be faster than M5 at 0 -140
M5 will be faster than RS6 at 140+
RS6 will leave M5 dead at any twisty road or any weather other than dry

What do you all think about my predictions?

I very much doubt the RS6 will be any lighter than the S6, remember it has two turbos and the piping, more power and torque means stronger drive train. If the RS6 weighs anything less than 1950Kgs I will be amazed.

Now to the figures. Think quick, think very quick.

0-60mph in 4.0s
0-100mph in 9.0s
0-125mph in 11.8s
0-150mph in 18.5s

and a top speed limited to 300km/h (186mph) just slightly slower than the R8.;)

The price of the thing is my only concern because if it's nearer the Mercedes E63 than the M5 it will have a hard time convincing the snobby people that can afford these kind of cars that Audi is a brand of the image of Mercedes regardless of it's abilities. Sad to say these people are all show and little go.

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

your figures are fantastic!
Is that yout intuition? or some insider's info?

Besides,
doesn't that strange that car takes 5 sec for 60-100 and only 2.8 sec for 100 - 125?
Could it be that fast?
Because even M6 is about 13 sec for 0-124 mph and 911 turbo is 12,2 sec for 0-124 mph?

[Benman]

Once again quisha is correct.

Ditto that.:dig:

As for weight, I've yet to see an M5 actually have the "claimed" 1830kg weight. I think the real world "dry" weight is more like 1910kg or something... so if the RS 6 weighs @2000kg, it will be close, real close.:cheers:

Ben:addict:

[Ruergard]

Once again quisha is correct.

He sure is!

This is going to be one hell of a car... 580 hp. THAT'S INSANE!
Leadfoot, is that "your" figures or is it from your source? :)

I'm not sure about the M5 being quicker at higher speeds actually, 70 horsepower more and a lot of torque. Though it depends a lot on the gearbox to. We'll just have to see... I really hope that it will be able to atleast run side-to-side with an M5.
But when the road get's twisty or it starts to dropping down stuff from the sky. We all know what's about to happen! :addict:

[RXBG]

Leadfoot,

your figures are fantastic!
Is that yout intuition? or some insider's info?

Besides,
doesn't that strange that car takes 5 sec for 60-100 and only 2.8 sec for 100 - 125?
Could it be that fast?
Because even M6 is about 13 sec for 0-124 mph and 911 turbo is 12,2 sec for 0-124 mph?

with the torque advantage i don't think there is any way the M5 will catch the RS6 at any speed (if the numbers are correct). handling will be tight since the bimmer is quite a dancer.

the one car that will still give the RS6 problems at high speeds is the E63 torque monster. and the S65.........

[artur777]

Agree with you!

But E63 is not that fast for 0-124 as M5. It's only about 15-16 seconds.
The engine is not high-revving, and transmission is "usual" automatic.

S65 is a monster.
I have been riding with this car at the road - it's quite difficult.
If the road is not busy - S65 driver push acc. and leaves EVERYBODY at the road for dead ib 5-6 seconds. It's INSANE car.
In my past, only 911 turbo was able to override S65 AMG. no any other cars.

[Leadfoot]

Purely my figures, not any source as yet.

I must admit that I didn't think about the difference from 60mph to 100mph and then on to 125mph, but I still think they won't be that far off the mark. Four seconds to 60mph will be easier because it will be done in second and 4th gear will easily run to over 125mph so the 11.8s time might be a little optimistic but the rest I believe won't be far off. But maybe I am think the wrong number is wrong, it might be the 100mph one.;)

Think M6 times after 125mph mark will be right on the money. :thumb:

And as for the handling, it won't be as graceful as the R8 but it will still get the results which means it will out-handle both Beemers on the ring and get very close if not beat them on the tighter tracks.:D

The E63 is a little quicker than the M5, check out the AUTOCAR test and you will see. But I very much doubt it will beat the RS6 either, as for the S65, sorry guys it's in a different league, especially as the speed increases but hey, surely one car is allowed to beat it .

[Bingocaller]

I dont think that Audi would release the RS6 if it wasnt able to kill the M5 or the E63 for that matter?

And yes the S65 or Alpina B7 per say is in a whole other segment - In my book they dont compare - these should be compared to the S8 (or better yet a RS8 ;) )

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

in my opinion RS6 will be:

0-62 4.3
0-100 9.5
0-124 12.5
0-155 21.5

Based on comparing with SL 55, SL 65, Brabus CLS Rocket and McLaren SLR. These 4 cars are with a relatively similar hp / torque moment and weight.

[FrenchAudi]

From Automobile magazine, the S6 is only 0.1 sec slower than the M5 at the track and almost 3 secons faster than the E63..
It also pulled more g's than both of them!
Just think when the RS6 comes out!!

[Ruergard]

From Automobile magazine, the S6 is only 0.1 sec slower than the M5 at the track and almost 3 secons faster than the E63..
It also pulled more g's than both of them!
Just think when the RS6 comes out!!

Quattro helps when it comes to cornering. But I see your point, if the S6 keeps up with them on a track. The RS6 will be even quicker! :thumb: :addict:

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

in my opinion RS6 will be:

0-62 4.3
0-100 9.5
0-124 12.5
0-155 21.5

Based on comparing with SL 55, SL 65, Brabus CLS Rocket and McLaren SLR. These 4 cars are with a relatively similar hp / torque moment and weight.

Remember that these cars are not four wheel drive so if they post a 0-60mph time of 4.3s then knock off 0.3s for the extra traction which will get smaller as the speed increases.

But anyway, who cares all we need to know is it will perform better than expected based on the competition (M5 & E63) and will be perfectly usable even in the winter.

Even if I am off on the figures and you are right that is still hellish quick and more than a match for an M5, but I still harbour a belief that I am right on the money.

[Bingocaller]

How will it compare to its main rivals pricewise?

[S6LANA]

Well, if true, it appears that Superstar Driver was one of the forum members who indeed had the inside track. I must admit that I discounted him many times, because of the delivery he used. Looks like he turned out to be dead nuts on, if not a little over exuberant!:hahahehe:

Bravo to Audi if this is true. Can't wait to buy a used one! LOL

[Leadfoot]

I think it was a case of Audi listening to SUPERSTARDRIVER because QUATTRO IS THE KING OF TRACTION and the only system capable of coping with this amount of power and torque. Any rwd car would find it difficult especially RWD BMWs, THEY WOULD SUCK AT PUTTING DOWN THIS AMOUNT OF POWER.

Oh I come over all funny there for a minute. :hihi:

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

the style of Superstar Driver is quite suitbale for you-)))
Looks funny.

Frankly speaking, I can hardly wait for Official info about RS6.
But at what time will RS6 come to the market?
And will it be Porsche Panamera 4WD who will compete with RS6?

[Ruergard]

I think it was a case of Audi listening to SUPERSTARDRIVER because QUATTRO IS THE KING OF TRACTION and the only system capable of coping with this amount of power and torque. Any rwd car would find it difficult especially RWD BMWs, THEY WOULD SUCK AT PUTTING DOWN THIS AMOUNT OF POWER.

Oh I come over all funny there for a minute. :hihi:

Hahahha!
As artur wrote, that style fits ju perfect! ;);)

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

the style of Superstar Driver is quite suitbale for you-)))
Looks funny.

Frankly speaking, I can hardly wait for Official info about RS6.
But at what time will RS6 come to the market?
And will it be Porsche Panamera 4WD who will compete with RS6?

Sorry artur777 I am nothing like SuperstarDriver, his style of posting gives this site a bad name, I was trying to copy his style for a laugh.

I know quite a bit about the RS6 spec and abilities and it will be the king of the road but in it's usual nature won't stir the motoring press in the same way as an M3 or 997 but on the ability to cover ground very, very quickly nothing in it's class will have a look in.

That is until the Porsche Panamera arrives and adds a little excitement to the market.

[Bingocaller]

but in it's usual nature won't stir the motoring press in the same way as an M3 or 997

Soo true - but why is that? I now that the M3 is an icon and that its always fun when a new 911 comes out - but a high performance sedan that will rock the road is frontpage stuff IMO

[skiwi]

leadfoot (or others): any idea whether it will have a torque vectoring unit?

[Leadfoot]

Sorry no idea about whether QTV (Quattro3) will be in the RS6 or not. I was told it will be being fazed in to models on an ongoing process not just RS models but the full range. I personally doubt the RS6 will have it (though I hope I'm wrong on this) and believe it will first be introduced into the Q5 or possibly the next A6 and lead to the other models from then on.

[Leadfoot]

The Q7 4.2TDi has a gearbox capable of taking 760Nm of torque, I wonder is this the same gearbox being used for the RS6. ;)

The specs for the RS6 so far: 5,002cc / Bi-turbo / Power - 578HP / Torque - :hahahehe: / Performance -:MTM: / the competition - :cry:

P.S.

And quite high-revving for a turboed engine, think mid sevens.

[RXBG]

sounds D I V I N E. july can't come quickly enough. leaves me wondering on the specs of the R8 V10 powerplant.

[Leadfoot]

With the power that the new RS6 will have does anyone here think that Mercedes with bring out their monster 65amg in the E-class?

If so where would this leave BMW with their M5, in a way is would be like running a comparison test with the S6 vs M5 (great car but not is the same class performance wise).

Another thing, will Audi do the same as BMW and offer a POWER button, dropping it's power to say 480hp just to look like they are concerned with the environment. But then again with Quattro providing the grip anyone could drive it on full beans unlike the M5. And if they do give a button I think they should re-name it to LOWER ORBIT.:hihi:

[Ruergard]

With the power that the new RS6 will have does anyone here think that Mercedes with bring out their monster 65amg in the E-class?

And if they do give a button I think they should re-name it to LOWER ORBIT.:hihi:

Hahahah! :thumb:



The specs for the RS6 so far: 5,002cc / Bi-turbo / Power - 578HP / Torque - :hahahehe: / Performance -:MTM: / the competition - :cry:

P.S.

And quite high-revving for a turboed engine, think mid sevens.

Why can't July come quicker... this is gonna be one hell of a car! :addict:

About Mercedes and the E class with the 65 engine. It ain't impossible and wouldn't surprise me... though it would take some time for it to hit the market.

[Damienr8]

I think it was a case of Audi listening to SUPERSTARDRIVER because QUATTRO IS THE KING OF TRACTION and the only system capable of coping with this amount of power and torque. Any rwd car would find it difficult especially RWD BMWs, THEY WOULD SUCK AT PUTTING DOWN THIS AMOUNT OF POWER.

Oh I come over all funny there for a minute. :hihi:

Damn you beat me to it Leadie, I wanted to mimic Superstar....i mean SUPERSTARDRIVER. :stick:

[artur777]

Leadfoot - sorry, I didn't mean you should always write like Superstardriver. But your mimics were very funny if to consider it as a one time post. Hope, that you style in future won't change-))

Guys - about 65 engines. It's not that easy for Mercedes to do that for E class.
Please look at the figures for Nurburgring lap times of 55 & 65 AMG cars:

8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1955 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05)

The figures show that SL 55 is faster than SL 65 at the RING
Why so?
I will answer.
Because SL 65 is much heavier and weight is even more distributed to the front wheels.
As I have read in one magazine - 65 cars are not that agile and sporty at the twisty road comparing to 55 cars.

That's why E65 might not be that effective as E63 at the RING, only in straight accelearation.
And Mercedes might not launch this car.
The only way to lauch it is to completely redesign the whole car and make it even more sporty and racy to cope with this hell engine - but then it will be VERY EXPENSIVE, TOO EXPENSIVE copmapring to M5 & RS6. 65 cars are very expensive and situated at the price level of Bentley GTC, Aston Martin and other such cars. So it will be compeltely other segment of customers to buy such 65 car.


What do you think of it?

[Mr Balsen]

My finger had an excellent fresh beer on monday evening in a bavarian restaurant near ingolstadt. My little finger heard 600hp for the next RS6....

Frederic

[Bingocaller]

Ohhh you are teasing us!

You should have spend some more money on beers so we could have got some more information :cheers:

[Leadfoot]

My finger had an excellent fresh beer on monday evening in a bavarian restaurant near ingolstadt. My little finger heard 600hp for the next RS6....

Frederic

No the figure is definitely 578hp, but this will be for the standard RS6 and as you already know Audi did do a quicker one in the last model and if Quattro GmbH get their way there will be another, with 635hp no less.:hahahehe:

So will Artur777 might be right about the 65 being slower than the 55, I somehow doubt that this will be the case here.;)

[AMG EATR]

Any idea on pricing and has anyone made a deposit to get first one. I would think close to 95k msrp. I have a feeling a deposit on an RS6 now could lead to a profit as a high demand may be willing to pay a premium but was not the case with current RS6.

[RS6Driver]

Here are the new ID's:

RS6 5.0:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAJ 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

RS6 5.0 Avant:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAK 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

579 = 579 PS = 571 hp
426 = 426 kW
5002 = 5002 ccm cylinder volume

[iconcls]

OK, I want to hear from someone that this C6 RS 6 is definitely coming stateside. Anyone?

[Erik]

Here are the new ID's:

RS6 5.0:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAJ 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

RS6 5.0 Avant:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAK 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

579 = 579 PS = 571 bhp
426 = 426 kW
5002 = 5002 ccm cylinder volume





Hi and welcome, I hope this is correct. I could live with 579 and not 580 hp. :deal:

[Radiation Joe]

OK, I want to hear from someone that this C6 RS 6 is definitely coming stateside. Anyone?

From the horse's mouth... (http://forums.audiworld.com/rs6/msgs/35038.phtml)

[iconcls]

From the horse's mouth... (http://forums.audiworld.com/rs6/msgs/35038.phtml)

Encouraging, but I would really like to see something on the record from him or his minions (not hearsay).

[Leadfoot]

Here are the new ID's:

RS6 5.0:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAJ 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

RS6 5.0 Avant:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAK 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

579 = 579 PS = 571 hp
426 = 426 kW
5002 = 5002 ccm cylinder volume



Oh yes and you forgot to add the 7967 = 7967Nm of torque.:D

[Ruergard]

Here are the new ID's:

RS6 5.0:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAJ 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

RS6 5.0 Avant:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAK 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

579 = 579 PS = 571 hp
426 = 426 kW
5002 = 5002 ccm cylinder volume


Thanks for that!
And welcome aboard, great first post! :thumb:

[Erik]

Oh yes and you forgot to add the 7967 = 7967Nm of torque.:D

LOL!

:hihi: :D

[rs-6]

that's so crazy :lovl: I would like to order it, can't wait until July

[LU-RS6]

GREAT news, thanks for that :applause:

579 BHP :bow:

[buzz]

Fantastic, No one believed it when I said that its going to be a 5.0 litre engine in October 2006 and the dealer confirmed the 580 HP.

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10241&highlight=BUZZ

Buzz

[Ruergard]

Fantastic, No one believed it when I said that its going to be a 5.0 litre engine in October 2006 and the dealer confirmed the 580 HP.

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10241&highlight=BUZZ

Buzz

Yepp, and you were as it seems now exactly right! :thumb:

[Leadfoot]

Well buzz like you so rightly reported back in Oct 2006 and beat some of us to this news, my hat goes off to you. Well done. :thumb:

But now we all know the fact of the engine, does anyone here still think my remarks on the unofficial lap time of the ring is so far out. I remember quoting around the 8 minute mark. ;)

The power figures are very impressive but keep in mind the torque of the M5 when the RS6's figures are released, then you will know just how fast this thing will really be against the clock. :hahahehe:

[absent]

My source was wrong obviously.
I really want that car......:bow:

[Leadfoot]

My source was wrong obviously.
I really want that car......:bow:

Don't be to hard on yourself, to the best of my knowledge there were numerous versions of the RS6 being tested at the time, N/A and Turboed. It could have when the other way quite easily.

Just be happy you were wrong and we have got a better car because of it.:thumb:

[jimmy94507]

Encouraging, but I would really like to see something on the record from him or his minions (not hearsay).

I would also like to hear something official that the RS6 will be in the US next year.


I and my wife had about a 25 minute conversation with him At Laguna Seca last October about the R8, RS6 and TTS - just the 3 of us. He was very direct, appeared quite knowledgable and didn't appear to hold anything back.
R8 - No investment in DSG or other autoshifter with e-gear easily integrated at $0 R&D for transmission.
TTS - He had recently "driven" a 5 cyl test mule with over 300hp.
RS6 - He had driven mule with HD, very fast shifting Automatic. V10 TT Test engs. running in mules at 770hp but expected de-tuned to ~580 hp for production. He would be pushing for the car to come to the US.

Here we are, 6 mos. later. You can read the latest speculation just like me.
Beat up everyone you know to get to AoA to ensure the RS6 comes next year! I will be doing that next week with all the AoA Execs and Dealer Execs. who show up at Miller ALMS race!!

Regards, Jimmy S.

[Erik]

I am sure the new RS6 will end up in the US, I wouldn't worry one bit.

If I wanted the avant, then I might worry but I am sure the sedan will arrive.

Why? Audi need to sell cars and sporty cars like the RS6 make the brand more attractive.
If Audi went thru the trouble of selling a ~1000 RS6 before they will do it again.
The only cloud on the horizon being that their dealers had trouble servicing it?

[Angellus]

My word!:wo: :rs6kiss:

RS6 with a Turbo or 2.... 426Killer Watts and Quattro! I can hear the thunder already :vgrumpy:

This is the best news in a VERY long time. I live quite high above sea level and for some reason BMW's just simply lose FAR less power up here then our Audi's.

For example... the E46 M3 can keep up with a RS4 up here :cry:

The RS6 being Turbo..... means it will destroy something like an M5 or E63 up here! :addict:


Only problem I see happening is pricing. The S6 is already priced too close to the M5/E63 over here.

Awesome News!

[Qisha]

The RS6 being Turbo..... means it will destroy something like an M5 or E63 up here!

Not only "up there"... ;)

[Angellus]

Not only "up there"... ;)


I know :hahahehe:

But up here.... it is going to be VERY UGLY for the M5/E63 :jlol:

[Leadfoot]

There is going to be some pretty big rocks about in the next six months and if you happen to lift one, bets are there will either be an M5 or E63 under it. :hihi:

[Ruergard]

There is going to be some pretty big rocks about in the next six months and if you happen to lift one, bets are there will either be an M5 or E63 under it. :hihi:

Hahahha! :addict:

Arrgh, why can't July come quicker! :brag:

[PeterJohn]

Here are the new ID's:

RS6 5.0:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAJ 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

RS6 5.0 Avant:
AUDI AG 4F 7967 AAK 21 N31 N30 579 426 5002

579 = 579 PS = 571 hp
426 = 426 kW
5002 = 5002 ccm cylinder volume



So the cilinder volume is smaller than that from the atmpospheric V10 from the S6. That's strange, b/c usually the volume is increased with a modification to forced induction, to facilitate a lower compression ratio.

What this tells me is that this won't be your regular bolt-on job. Perhaps a redesign of the engine block itself. That, or it has thicker cilinder walls and a smaller bore.

[skiwi]

i'd suggest it was sleeved down to give more cylinder wall to cope with the forced induction & heat. ditto the b5 rs4, for the same reason...

[buzz]

How much is 426 KW in NM?

Buzz

[PeterJohn]

kW is a measurement of horsepower. If you know at which rpm it produces the horsepower, you can get an idea of the torque.

Was the B5 S4/RS4 engine based on the 2.8l V6? I thought it was different engine all together.

[skiwi]

correct, but modifications for the s4/rs4 reduced it to 2.67litres, and modified with steel bearing caps, strengthened crankcase, crank, reinforced rods, etc..

[Leadfoot]

kW is a measurement of horsepower. If you know at which rpm it produces the horsepower, you can get an idea of the torque.

The new unit has thick cylinder walls not only to improve cooling, something that every forced induction unit has a problem with but also to aid it's rev limit and it's here were you will see the difference between a normal large capacity turboed engine and the RS6 unit. Think over 7000rpm and maybe even as high as 7500rpm, the torque will be big, maybe not like that of a Barbus but monstrous no less.

[jonas21]

Guess it will have something between 750 and 800nm.
Only good thing about a mercedes is the torque....once audi beats them there we'll be complete

[KCRS6]

I would also like to hear something official that the RS6 will be in the US next year.


I and my wife had about a 25 minute conversation with him At Laguna Seca last October about the R8, RS6 and TTS - just the 3 of us. He was very direct, appeared quite knowledgable and didn't appear to hold anything back.
R8 - No investment in DSG or other autoshifter with e-gear easily integrated at $0 R&D for transmission.
TTS - He had recently "driven" a 5 cyl test mule with over 300hp.
RS6 - He had driven mule with HD, very fast shifting Automatic. V10 TT Test engs. running in mules at 770hp but expected de-tuned to ~580 hp for production. He would be pushing for the car to come to the US.

Here we are, 6 mos. later. You can read the latest speculation just like me.
Beat up everyone you know to get to AoA to ensure the RS6 comes next year! I will be doing that next week with all the AoA Execs and Dealer Execs. who show up at Miller ALMS race!!

Regards, Jimmy S.

Jimmy,

I will be racing at Miller next weekend. Where are the AoA execs likely to be found? I will gladly provide some additional customer encourgement for a US RS6.

[phil_s6]

Just picked up my lovely new S6, while I was there had a word with the salesman about the RS6. Should hit our shores (UK) next March, details as previously mentioned on this thread, twin turbo V10, wider arches.

[AndyBG]

After all speculations, I was wrong, new RS 6 is going to be turbo !

I'm more than glad that I was wrong, and that RS 6 is going to once again proper ''distroyer'' !

Since i wasn't in the thread from the bigining, please tell what gearbox is going to final solution for the new 'RS 6 ?

Once again I have to apologise for my mistake.

:cheers:

P.S.

phil_S6

Conrat's on your phurchase, it's a GREAT car, enjoy it and post some pic's and vid's !

:cheers:

[skiwi]

it looks like the new car will have a fast autobox - the new zf 6-speed which changes gear in 100ms. no dsg (sounds like that is still years away), and no manual...

[AndyBG]

it looks like the new car will have a fast autobox - the new zf 6-speed which changes gear in 100ms. no dsg (sounds like that is still years away), and no manual...

That ZF gearbox is going new version of Tiptronic ?

DSG - enigma ! What is happening to that gearbox, years going by, and they still can't put into anything but Golf... ?

NO MANUAL, WHY !!! ??? :( :vgrumpy:

There are still people who wants that in their car, I don't see anything wrong with one in RS 4, M3, M5...

[Leadfoot]

That ZF gearbox is going new version of Tiptronic ?

DSG - enigma ! What is happening to that gearbox, years going by, and they still can't put into anything but Golf... ?

NO MANUAL, WHY !!! ??? :( :vgrumpy:

There are still people who wants that in their car, I don't see anything wrong with one in RS 4, M3, M5...

It's unknown if this is indeed a ZF gearbox as the torque figure are meant to be quite large and there is hints that we should be looking at the Q7 4.2TDi gearbox as possibly the gearbox of choice.

The DSG is in the pipeline for the RS6 just not at the launch or that is what I was told a short while go. As for a manual, I doubt the sector needs a true manual gearbox that is unless the M5 manual in the States is the bigger seller and then Audi might rethink it's options.

[ZeroCool]

I don't know if the new S6 have a Manual?!

But I still think that AUDI will put a Manual in the new RS6...
RS4 also has only the Manual...
Or maybe they will give both as an option...?! We'll see ;)

Regards,
Dalibor

[Leadfoot]

I don't know if the new S6 have a Manual?!

But I still think that AUDI will put a Manual in the new RS6...
RS4 also has only the Manual...
Or maybe they will give both as an option...?! We'll see ;)

Regards,
Dalibor

I reckon you will have more a chance seeing a DSG box than a manual.

[skiwi]

the q7 box is a zf., but it has a different architecture (transfer case, separate front diff), so wouldn't work...

[Leadfoot]

the q7 box is a zf., but it has a different architecture (transfer case, separate front diff), so wouldn't work...

When telling me about what the RS6 will be like performance-wise, my source said to look at the torque the new Q7 gearbox is able to cope with, now this could have been a hint at one or two things, either the RS6 has similar amounts of torque as the Q7 4.2TDi which would be amazing or that because it's producing the same amounts of torque it will be using the inners of the gearbox. I don't know the reasoning for he statement other than the two things are connected.

All I will say is everything I have be told and passed on to the group has turned out of be correct so I have little reason to doubt his comments. Only time will tell what part of the hint is true.;)

[skiwi]

i'm sure that would work as the 6-speed zf awd box has a separate planetary box and a modular architecture. hence the awd (torsen and front diff) of the s6 could be married to the q7 planetary box.

one box that couldn't be used is that in the s8. that has the front diff in front of the torque converter.

[RXBG]

are we clear that the new RS6 will have a 10 cyl motor? and that the RS5 will 5? or afre we not in agreement gents?

[chewym]

I am about 99.9999999% sure there will be no manual. The manual M5 sucks and makes the M5 worse than even the crappy SMG. DSG is not ready yet, it isn't on the A5, so no chance of it being on the RS6. And this type of car is not a manual type of car.

And I think that the latest Car report that the RS5 and RS6 will share engines is wrong. But their RS5 does look really good.

[AndyBG]

I don't see anything wrong in offering manual option, you would be amased with number of sold manual RS 6.

[skiwi]

no manual rs6's were sold, because none were made.....

[Ruergard]

no manual rs6's were sold, because none were made.....

I think he ment that a manual option would sell by the million in the new RS6. :)

For me, I think that there only will be an auto tranny. But who knows, would be very nice with the option of a manual one. I'd like to see that! :addict:

Can anyone explain the ZF gearbox to me? Is that something new? 100ms seems pretty quick for a normal autotranny? Info or a link! Please! :applause:

Leadfoot: Very nice ps of an RS5 you've got there.

[skiwi]

wrt zf: a newer generation of the 6-speed. like the old one, but faster shifting. seems the german zf engineers might be worried about their market disappearing to the borg-warner dual clutch technology and decided to do something about it :-)

[Leadfoot]

After sampling the ZF in the 335i it is without a doubt the best automatic on the market at present, but like all automatics it isn't as rewarding as a true manual gearbox. But for the people which are looking for a gearbox which changes quickly and not dim-witted then you could do a lot worse.

If the RS6 gets something similar to the 335i I think everyone who has or had the old RS6 will be pleasantly surprised.

[AndyBG]

no manual rs6's were sold, because none were made.....

Sorry, bad english...

What I was meant is, that NEXT RS 6 could be a good seller with manuall gearbox.

MK1 didn't have manual option, and, of course, I know that, if there was MK1 with manuall, it to would made big selling numbers.

Apologies, once again for my bad knowledge of english.

:cheers:

[phil_s6]

More news: RS6 Avant in March 2008, RS6 Saloon in July 2008. (My deposit is down on a Saloon).

[andrewket]

More news: RS6 Avant in March 2008, RS6 Saloon in July 2008. (My deposit is down on a Saloon).

What is the source of your information? Confidence level? I'd love an Avant in the USA. I too have a deposit for my dealer's first RS6, but we didn't specify Avant/Saloon.

Andrew

[phil_s6]

What is the source of your information? Confidence level? I'd love an Avant in the USA. I too have a deposit for my dealer's first RS6, but we didn't specify Avant/Saloon.

Andrew
Source is my dealer, although I'm in Europe.

[andrewket]

Oh.. damn, I missed that. I'm sure they won't bring the Avant to the USA :vgrumpy:

A

[RXBG]

timing makes sense. the RS4 stops being made this CY. then the factory can start the RS6 while continuing to expand to accomodate the RS5 assembly line a few months later or so.

[Leadfoot]

I don't know how true this is but I have been told that the new RS6 will come standard with Ceramic brakes. If true this leads me to believe that Audi intend to up it speed limit way above the normal 155mph.

Has anyone else hear anything similar.

[audirs6sport]

will the new rs6 have its limited quantity of production line, just like our fantastic mkI rs6? :addict:

[Leadfoot]

will the new rs6 have its limited quantity of production line, just like our fantastic mkI rs6? :addict:

I think that a question you will need to ask Audi about.;)

[Bingocaller]

C brakes as standart! Sure gonna cost a pretty penny for Audi!

[Ruergard]

C brakes as standart! Sure gonna cost a pretty penny for Audi!

Confirmed by?
Really cool if it's true! :thumb: :addict:

[AndyBG]

I don't know how true this is but I have been told that the new RS6 will come standard with Ceramic brakes....

That is putting new RS 6, very high...

...neither Porsche or Ferrari don't offer that.

[Leadfoot]

That is putting new RS 6, very high...

...neither Porsche or Ferrari don't offer that.

I know that Andy but then again Porsche or Ferrari don't have a 2tonne car that will easily top 200mph. But like I say it's a rumour regarding the brakes, until the final spec is known we can only speculate and be feed info, who know what is true and what isn't.

[phil_s6]

I know that Andy but then again Porsche or Ferrari don't have a 2tonne car that will easily top 200mph. But like I say it's a rumour regarding the brakes, until the final spec is known we can only speculate and be feed info, who know what is true and what isn't.
The Ferrari 612 will do 200 mph and it weighs 1840 KG (the S6 weighs 1864 KG). (The RS6 should easily do 200 mph).

[AndyBG]

The Ferrari 612 will do 200 mph and it weighs 1840 KG (the S6 weighs 1864 KG). (The RS6 should easily do 200 mph).

Good point.

This way or another, Audi is raising stakes in the A6 segment and ''super saloon'' class with new RS 6.

E 63, M5... prepare, you are about to go DOWN !

[Leadfoot]

phil s6,

Fair point I forgot the 612, but like I said it's rumoured to have ceramics and until it's spec is known we can only speculate. But one point as to why the RS6 might have/need them over that of the 612 is weight balance. The Ferrari 612 weight is better balanced than the RS6 and because of this it's brakes, especially the fronts won't be worked just as hard as that of the RS6.

[AndyBG]

For that matter we can count Bentely Continental (4wd) and big AMG Merc's, all capable of 310, 320 km/h, without ceramics...

[Leadfoot]

For that matter we can count Bentely Continental (4wd) and big AMG Merc's, all capable of 310, 320 km/h, without ceramics...

Oh, I give up.:doh:

I am only giving an opinion as to why I feel the rumour that the RS6 will have ceramics. It has been known for sometime that Audi might move the limiter of the RS6 up to 300km/h or do away with it altogether.

The above don't have it standard but let's face it none of the above are an out and out racer like what the RS6 will be and in the past big Audi have had problems with brakes over heating ceramics will fix this problem plus lighten the un-sprung weight and help the overall weight balance.

Let's face it, the RS6 will need some pretty big rotors to stop the thing, I reckon something in the 380mm bracket or bigger with 6~8 pistons, such size will dull the handling and steering as anyone who has drove a Bentley with and without will tell you.

If the RS6 does come with them then the price will be greater than either the M5 or E63, the question is would the public be willing to pay for such things to ultimately have the better car?

[phil_s6]

Personally I think it'll have big cross-drilled discs and ceramics as an option, otherwise it'll push the base price up too high to compete sensibly with the E63 and M5.

[SuperstarDriver]

bla bla...M5 even the next M5 will not beat this year RS6 i am VERY SURE, as the new M3 will not beat the RS4 B7. it's that clear?!Should i paint to you for you to believe me?!The new RS6 will not have 2000kg, will have at most 1900kg nothing more....

[Damienr8]

bla bla...M5 even the next M5 will not beat this year RS6 i am VERY SURE, as the new M3 will not beat the RS4 B7. it's that clear?!Should i paint to you for you to believe me?!The new RS6 will not have 2000kg, will have at most 1900kg nothing more....

Supercar, you Have heard of the M5 CSL that is coming out right? its going to be 1810kg with 575hp, etc. I think that is going to DESTROY THE RS6 TO THE MAX. IT WILL BE THE MOST POWERFULLEST 4 DOOR IN THE WORLD. IT WILL BE SO FAST THAT IT DOES NOT EVEN NEED QUATTRO, AND IT WILL BE EVEN FASTER THAN THE ENZO.

Lol just kidding man. :harass: Just like harassing you a little bit.

[S6LANA]

bla bla...M5 even the next M5 will not beat this year RS6 i am VERY SURE, as the new M3 will not beat the RS4 B7. it's that clear?!Should i paint to you for you to believe me?!The new RS6 will not have 2000kg, will have at most 1900kg nothing more....

Go Baby GO!!!:applause:

I'm going to start calling you Nostra-Superstar-Damus.

Even if half the stuff you say isn't true, the passionate delivery is very entertaining!

Thanks for contributing. :bow:

[SuperstarDriver]

yes?:))))ohhhh...your mistakes are unforgivable...M5 CSL will have 550HP normal aspirated WITHOUT THE TORQUE OF THE RS6 BITURBO ENGINE SO....AND QUATTRO DESTROYED EVERYTHING AS YOU SAW THAT R8 HAS BEAT THE CRAP OF EVEN ANOTHER 4WD CAR (911 TURBO) so SHHTTT...RS6 WILL DEFINITEVELY HAVE EVEN A HARDER CAR IF THE M5 CSL WILL BE RELEASED THE RS6 PLUS OF COURSE LIKE THE LAST GENERATION, THE RS8 DERIVED FROM A8 AND OF COURSE THE MIGHTY RS5!!!Stay tuned you'll gonna cry for help on BMW M DIVISION:))))))

[Damienr8]

yes?:))))ohhhh...your mistakes are unforgivable...M5 CSL will have 550HP normal aspirated WITHOUT THE TORQUE OF THE RS6 BITURBO ENGINE SO....AND QUATTRO DESTROYED EVERYTHING AS YOU SAW THAT R8 HAS BEAT THE CRAP OF EVEN ANOTHER 4WD CAR (911 TURBO) so SHHTTT...RS6 WILL DEFINITEVELY HAVE EVEN A HARDER CAR IF THE M5 CSL WILL BE RELEASED THE RS6 PLUS OF COURSE LIKE THE LAST GENERATION, THE RS8 DERIVED FROM A8 AND OF COURSE THE MIGHTY RS5!!!Stay tuned you'll gonna cry for help on BMW M DIVISION:))))))

Oh man Superstar, your posts bring a great huge smile to my face! :hihi: :addict:

[SuperstarDriver]

yayaaaa...i'm glad for that, but if you want to know...AUDI WILL NEVER EVER WILL BE BEAT AGAIN BY AN M CAR, THAT'S FOR SURE...R8 THE BEST SHASSY IN THE WORLD WITH THE BEST TIME THAT A 420HP CAR COULD HAVE, RS4 WORLD'S BEST PERFORMANCE CAR OF THE YEAR (THE LEADER ON THE COMPACT SPORTS SEDAN), RS6 WITH 580HP WILL BURN M5 LIKE A NUCLEAR BOMB POINTED EXACTLY TO MUNICH CENTER:)))))

[steve]

please stop screaming :)

[KresoF1]

Well, Superstar is a true Audiein addict...

[phil_s6]

I'm gladdy my S6y has a neat shassy.

[AndyBG]

What will hapend, if BMW release bi turbo M5, and there are rumors about that... ?

[absent]

What will hapend, if BMW release bi turbo M5, and there are rumors about that... ?

I really don't care.
If RS6 comes with that 580hp engine I would definitely buy it....
Until M5 or E63 comes with twinturbo or something and then :bye: :bye: :bye:
Audi(again,until RS8 sedan arrives).
In other words, I never feel like I'm married to any particular Brand....

[AndyBG]

...Audi(again,until RS8 sedan arrives).
In other words, I never feel like I'm married to any particular Brand....

RS 8 limousine... I don't expect it... interestingly, more and more rumours saying that V10 R8 is going to be called RS 8...

[jonas21]

RS 8 limousine... I don't expect it... interestingly, more and more rumours saying that V10 R8 is going to be called RS 8...

Yup makes sense. R/RS/S cars never had the same engine thus they probably cant/wont call it just R8-V10.

[Leadfoot]

There is nothing to stop them calling it the RS8 but they could call it the R8/S instead.;)

[SuperstarDriver]

R8-V10 OR R8-S AND R8-RS IN THE FUTURE, THE BADGE FOR RS8 IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR A8 (6.0L W12 TT WITH MORE THAN 600HP) I KNOW THIS FROM MY FRIEND CEZAR(THE WHITE RS4 WITH THE RED INTERIOR, THAT'S THE GUY FROM THIS FORUM), ASK HIM EVERYTHING CAUSE IS THE ONLY GUY HERE WHO KNOWS PRETTY SURE EVERYTHING ABOUT FUTURE AUDI AND IS THE ONLY GUY FROM AUDI DEALER WHO IS PRESENT IN THIS FORUM...GREAT GUY, GREAT DRIVER AND ESPECIALLY GREAT CAR, LOVE IT...OF COURSE R8 IS IN MY HEART AS OTHER AUDI IT IS...SO AUDI IS AUDI, YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEM TO NOTHING:d

[AndyBG]

R8-V10 OR R8-S AND R8-RS IN THE FUTURE, THE BADGE FOR RS8 IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR A8 (6.0L W12 TT WITH MORE THAN 600HP) I KNOW THIS FROM MY FRIEND CEZAR(THE WHITE RS4 WITH THE RED INTERIOR, THAT'S THE GUY FROM THIS FORUM), ASK HIM EVERYTHING CAUSE IS THE ONLY GUY HERE WHO KNOWS PRETTY SURE EVERYTHING ABOUT FUTURE AUDI AND IS THE ONLY GUY FROM AUDI DEALER WHO IS PRESENT IN THIS FORUM...GREAT GUY, GREAT DRIVER AND ESPECIALLY GREAT CAR, LOVE IT...OF COURSE R8 IS IN MY HEART AS OTHER AUDI IT IS...SO AUDI IS AUDI, YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEM TO NOTHING:d

Qisha knows, a thing or two...

BTW that white RS 4 is great !

[audirs6sport]

so is mkII rs6 suppose to be v10tt? or n/a v10?

[skiwi]

v10tt >560bhp

[SuperstarDriver]

V10 TT, 580 or 585HP this is the power range not an normal aspirated engine...so expect to beat the crap every car with 4 doors on this planet:D

[Leadfoot]

R8-V10 OR R8-S AND R8-RS IN THE FUTURE, THE BADGE FOR RS8 IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR A8 (6.0L W12 TT WITH MORE THAN 600HP) I KNOW THIS FROM MY FRIEND CEZAR(THE WHITE RS4 WITH THE RED INTERIOR, THAT'S THE GUY FROM THIS FORUM), ASK HIM EVERYTHING CAUSE IS THE ONLY GUY HERE WHO KNOWS PRETTY SURE EVERYTHING ABOUT FUTURE AUDI AND IS THE ONLY GUY FROM AUDI DEALER WHO IS PRESENT IN THIS FORUM...GREAT GUY, GREAT DRIVER AND ESPECIALLY GREAT CAR, LOVE IT...OF COURSE R8 IS IN MY HEART AS OTHER AUDI IT IS...SO AUDI IS AUDI, YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEM TO NOTHING:d

From pass experience, dealers know little more if any than most of the people on this site. Generally you have to get a lot closer to the action before anything useful and up-to-date comes from the info being feed to you. One thing is for sure the RS6 will be an almighty step forward from the last model and should improve on the already impressive review that the RS4 has already been receiving.

Sorry SuperstarDriver for the reality check.:brag:

[absent]

From pass experience, dealers know little more if any than most of the people on this site. Generally you have to get a lot closer to the action before anything useful and up-to-date comes from the info being feed to you. One thing is for sure the RS6 will be an almighty step forward from the last model and should improve on the already impressive review that the RS4 has already been receiving.

Sorry SuperstarDriver for the reality check.:brag:
He made a good point about RS8 though.
"R" are traditionally a development of existing "S" models,there is no "S" version of R8 so it wouldn't make sense to add "lesser" "S" moniker to it.
It would make perfect sense to make RS8 from S8,price it at $160k with over 600hp and AWD and corner that end of the market.
I would be the first in line with my check in my teeth,begging on my knees....:0:

[Leadfoot]

He made a good point about RS8 though.
"R" are traditionally a development of existing "S" models,there is no "S" version of R8 so it wouldn't make sense to add "lesser" "S" moniker to it.
It would make perfect sense to make RS8 from S8,price it at $160k with over 600hp and AWD and corner that end of the market.
I would be the first in line with my check in my teeth,begging on my knees....:0:


Leadfoot

There is nothing to stop them calling it the RS8 but they could call it the R8/S instead.

As I already said, the R8 v10 will if anything be called the R8/S not RS8 which will more than likely be kept for a RS version of the A8. If this model is developed I reckon it's at best a few years away and will not be built on it's current chassis as the new model is due sometime in 2009. That wouldn't give Quattro GmbH much time to develop and get to the market place, as we haven't seen any test-mules I think they will wait till the new chassis has been developed for the next A8 and then think about a RS8 some time 2011.

[SuperstarDriver]

Cezar is not only a dealer is present on every ocasion on Audi comitee of development and research in Germany, he is requested there for info's and other situations because he must be on direct contact with Audi boss because of his job, chief manager of sales department where everything is up to him on selling audi cars so i know better than you because he is my friend and spoked with him about this things and amazed me about his knowledges about future Audi when nobody knew about them...so i am right with this thing, and yes the other thing also:RS8 will be a much faster S8 not an R8 V10 as some uninformed people said about it...R8 will be R8-S and not an R8-RS because this badge will be for the furtercoming stupid BMW M10 (with 550HP as stupid people from BMW department leaked the infor), so R8-RS will have V10 twin-turbo with more than 600HP but in the end of 2009 or 2010 as i heard...so if BMW is making a car with 400HP, Audi si making a 4WD car with 450HP and so on...a step ahead Audi vs BMW cracky oversteering and verrrrrrrrrryyyy ugly cars...:hihi: :hahahehe: :R8kiss:

[artur777]

SuperstarDriver,
please low down in your critics
why are you so emotional?
why do you hate BMW so much?

[SuperstarDriver]

BECAUSE BMW REALLY AND REALLY SUCKS THAT'S WHY...HATE TO OVERSTEER, HATE TO LOOSE CONTROL HATE TO TAKE A CORNER AT LOW SPEEDS BECAUSE OF THE RWD, HATE TO LOOK AT BMW CARS CAUSE ARE VERY VERY UGLY AMERICAN STYLED CARS...HATE THOSE INTERIORS AND THOSE BUILD MATERIALS, HATE TO ENTER IN A BMW AND SEE THE SPEED AND TUROMETER NEEDELS LIKE WERE DESIGNED IN THE LATE 90'S (OLDIES) HATE EVERYTHING THAT BMW DOES BECAUSE IT DOES FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE WHAT ARE DRIVING, HATE BMW BECAUSE THEY THING THEY ARE BUILDING "DRIVER'S MACHINE", HATE THAT EVERYBODY IN MY COUNTRY LOVE TO HAVE A BMW TO PICK UP GIRLS WITH THEM AND THIS WERE THE ONLY REASONS IN THEIR MIND...HATE EVERYTHING THAT BMW IS MAKING AND WILL EVER MAKING...IN MY FUTURE CAR I WILL HAVE A BANNER IN THE FRONT GLASS LIKE THIS(ANTI-BMW=BAVARIAN MOTHERFUCKIN' WORKSHIT) TO REPRESIDENT MY OPINION AND DRIVING FEELING IN A BMW CAR...THAT'S WHY MAN?!DON'T YOU GET IT NOW?DOES BMW HAVE A CAR BEAUTIFUL?DOES BMW HAVE A CAR THAT HAS THE BEST INTERIOR IN THE INDUSTRY, DOES BMW HAVE A TRANSMISION BETTER THAN DSG?DOES BMW BUILD MORE AGILE SHASSY'S?NO NO AND NOOOO...THAT'S WHY I HATE BMW...BECAUSE THEY THING BMW DRIVERS ARE THE CENTER OF THE EARTH AND THEIR CARS ARE "THE BEST IN THEIR OPINION" THEFORE LIKE THE OWNER OF THE BMW COMPANY..."BMW WILL NEVER BE BEATEN BY AUDI" IN HIS LAST COMERCIAL POST:))))HAHA...AUDI HAS BEATEN BMW SINCE 70 YEARS AGO...SO BMW SHHHTTTT!!!!AUDI IS GROWING AND GROWING AND GROWING AND WILL NEVER STOP UNTIL THEY WILL CONQUER THE WORLD, I ASSURE YOU ALL!I DO NOT WORK ON AUDI, I'M NOT PAYED FOR MAKING COMERCIALS ABOUT AUDI BUT MY PASSION FOR THIS SUPER HI-TECH ADVANCED SPORTSCARS ARE LIKE NOBODY ELSE IN THIS WORLD!I am BORN WITH AUDI IN MY BLOOD....

[AndyBG]

Ok superstar, but this is Audi lovers, or better said Car enthusiast site, not a BMW haters club...

Don't get this offensive, please!

:cheers:

[Erik]

SuperstarDriver, please behave.

[absent]

:eye:
BECAUSE BMW REALLY AND REALLY SUCKS THAT'S WHY...HATE TO OVERSTEER, HATE TO LOOSE CONTROL HATE TO TAKE A CORNER AT LOW SPEEDS BECAUSE OF THE RWD, HATE TO LOOK AT BMW CARS CAUSE ARE VERY VERY UGLY AMERICAN STYLED CARS...HATE THOSE INTERIORS AND THOSE BUILD MATERIALS, HATE TO ENTER IN A BMW AND SEE THE SPEED AND TUROMETER NEEDELS LIKE WERE DESIGNED IN THE LATE 90'S (OLDIES) HATE EVERYTHING THAT BMW DOES BECAUSE IT DOES FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE WHAT ARE DRIVING, HATE BMW BECAUSE THEY THING THEY ARE BUILDING "DRIVER'S MACHINE", HATE THAT EVERYBODY IN MY COUNTRY LOVE TO HAVE A BMW TO PICK UP GIRLS WITH THEM AND THIS WERE THE ONLY REASONS IN THEIR MIND...HATE EVERYTHING THAT BMW IS MAKING AND WILL EVER MAKING...IN MY FUTURE CAR I WILL HAVE A BANNER IN THE FRONT GLASS LIKE THIS(ANTI-BMW=BAVARIAN MOTHERFUCKIN' WORKSHIT) TO REPRESIDENT MY OPINION AND DRIVING FEELING IN A BMW CAR...THAT'S WHY MAN?!DON'T YOU GET IT NOW?DOES BMW HAVE A CAR BEAUTIFUL?DOES BMW HAVE A CAR THAT HAS THE BEST INTERIOR IN THE INDUSTRY, DOES BMW HAVE A TRANSMISION BETTER THAN DSG?DOES BMW BUILD MORE AGILE SHASSY'S?NO NO AND NOOOO...THAT'S WHY I HATE BMW...BECAUSE THEY THING BMW DRIVERS ARE THE CENTER OF THE EARTH AND THEIR CARS ARE "THE BEST IN THEIR OPINION" THEFORE LIKE THE OWNER OF THE BMW COMPANY..."BMW WILL NEVER BE BEATEN BY AUDI" IN HIS LAST COMERCIAL POST:))))HAHA...AUDI HAS BEATEN BMW SINCE 70 YEARS AGO...SO BMW SHHHTTTT!!!!AUDI IS GROWING AND GROWING AND GROWING AND WILL NEVER STOP UNTIL THEY WILL CONQUER THE WORLD, I ASSURE YOU ALL!I DO NOT WORK ON AUDI, I'M NOT PAYED FOR MAKING COMERCIALS ABOUT AUDI BUT MY PASSION FOR THIS SUPER HI-TECH ADVANCED SPORTSCARS ARE LIKE NOBODY ELSE IN THIS WORLD!I am BORN WITH AUDI IN MY BLOOD....
:eye: :w: :rolleyes: :hihi: :hihi:

[SuperstarDriver]

of course Audi fan forum as i said so long live Audi and beat the crap BMW forever:)Is it good now?:P RS6 is gonna be a monster, two moths for us to know for sure the exact details of the beast (july i heard) so...we have to wait:D

[Kram]

I like the way SuperstarDriver thinks.

I aways thought that a RS8 would be THE ultimate sedan.:S8:

[Leadfoot]

SuperstarDriver,

Sorry if I offended you as this was not my intention, I was only highlighting that dealers in general know little more than some well informed members on this site. If you say your friend is a lot higher up the food chain than most dealers then great news for us as any info you hear will be passed on, just like the rest of us do.

All I will say is all manufacturers do test lots of different options of certain models like the RS6 etc. so what was favour of the month at one time may not be by the time of launch. The RS6 have already been signed off so what we know at present is what will be with regards to engine spec etc. but something are at present still a little grey, no word on weight, final gearbox choice (but this is easier to guess), suspension set-up and weight balance.

You say the RS8 will be launched 2009-10 and the engine spec is already decided, I find that hard to believe knowing the many engine options that were tried in the RS6 in their many differing power outputs. Also I haven't hear of a TT/RS apart from what I read on the site and Hans I believe is right on the ball with regards to all things TT so I value his opinions most on this model.

[Benman]

of course Audi fan forum as i said so long live Audi and beat the crap BMW forever:)Is it good now?:P

Well, at least it is a start. :D

Please, no more cap locks, and no curse words. You can dislike BMW all you like, but this is a forum open to all ages and we do not need cursing. ;)

Ben:addict:

[SuperstarDriver]

i get your idea but TT RS was already spied in almost original version of release without any hollow protection from our eyers and of course if you don't believe that it will be an TT RS you must be crazy because allready has been oficialy decided to built and TT RS to kick the Z4 M from Bavarian Motherfuckin Workshit (BMW) so of course TT RS will have much more power than the in line 6 from the Z4M and also much more torque and efiecieny of the power train as had been showed when the new TT was tested by special drivers (shassy of the year for inovation and the best powertrain in his category) so next about the nee RS6...RS6 will defivnitively have 580HP and will destroy every other sallon with 4 doors in this world including the no comparison of the S63 AMG and much much more cars...M5,E 63 AMG, S63 AMG, M6, M3, Z4M every car from BMW and Mercedes will be destroyed by the new RS6 without compareing to it but you know that people on the streets are competing like they want, don't care what size,category and performance specifications is that car against so in the front of the people the new RS6 will be a monster, a devil with wheels and a lot of stability...390-400mm size of the brakes do you imagine guys that?what car in the BMW and Mercedes Benz does have those big brakes?What car?no other car...and if you remeber the Avus quattro concept from '91 when Audi was developing the most advanced and powerfull concept in the world do you imagine what Audi is capable of if they will not have any future restrictions?!....

[SuperstarDriver]

hey guys what did i tell you that BMW is way lower than the mighty Audi?!RS6-580HP less kg and more agile handling and future M5 look at this article taken from Autospies.com:"Finally, the M5 super-sedan will come in for some upgrades. The performance saloon will get several additions to the interior, including a new heads-up-display system, as well as an upgrade to its 5.0L V10 motor to prepare it for Audi’s upcoming RS6 (http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/audi/spy-shots-2008-audi-rs6/). Word on the street is that it’ll produce around 520 to 530hp, but there’s no mention when the updated model will be released.":)))))M5 will be beat again and again and again like will is and will be kicked off the new M3 after 2 years of RS4 on the market, sweet Audi...:))

[KresoF1]

i get your idea but TT RS was already spied in almost original version of release without any hollow protection from our eyers and of course if you don't believe that it will be an TT RS you must be crazy because allready has been oficialy decided to built and TT RS to kick the Z4 M from Bavarian Motherfuckin Workshit (BMW) so of course TT RS will have much more power than the in line 6 from the Z4M and also much more torque and efiecieny of the power train as had been showed when the new TT was tested by special drivers (shassy of the year for inovation and the best powertrain in his category) so next about the nee RS6...RS6 will defivnitively have 580HP and will destroy every other sallon with 4 doors in this world including the no comparison of the S63 AMG and much much more cars...M5,E 63 AMG, S63 AMG, M6, M3, Z4M every car from BMW and Mercedes will be destroyed by the new RS6 without compareing to it but you know that people on the streets are competing like they want, don't care what size,category and performance specifications is that car against so in the front of the people the new RS6 will be a monster, a devil with wheels and a lot of stability...390-400mm size of the brakes do you imagine guys that?what car in the BMW and Mercedes Benz does have those big brakes?What car?no other car...and if you remeber the Avus quattro concept from '91 when Audi was developing the most advanced and powerfull concept in the world do you imagine what Audi is capable of if they will not have any future restrictions?!....

Am I the only one who is getting tired of your "Nazi" like posts?
OK, your like Audi's BUT, why do you need to use this kind of language against all other brands?
Are you 12 years old?
Moderators, I am Audi fan as you are but, are you agree with this kind of language?

[SuperstarDriver]

Nazy?i only destroy bmw's not mercedes benz, lexus, infiniti or other brands, just bmw (bmw fans who claim that bmw are building the fastest cars on the planet:)))))))yeahh right...that's why i am pissed offf...RS4 is much faster than M3, next RS6 much faster than M5, R8 much much much faster than M6, S5 much faster than 335i, S3 much faster than 130i so what's the deal with the hideos and oversteering bmw's?what's so special with them?!:))))

[artur777]

you are a little bit crazy with your BMW hatred.
BMW and Audi are top german brands and they have different philosophy. You should respect both of them, but you may like any.

PLEASE SLOW DOWN WITH YOUR CRITICS.
PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEEN TIRED OF THIS.
TRY TO USE NORMAL LANGUAGE.

Thanks.

[Erik]

SuperstarDriver - you have been warned for the second time!

Grow up!

Once more and you are gone!

[SuperstarDriver]

ok...i will be more patient and more overhanging over any post about the war between the audi and bmw...

[Leadfoot]

Nazy?i only destroy bmw's not mercedes benz, lexus, infiniti or other brands, just bmw (bmw fans who claim that bmw are building the fastest cars on the planet:)))))))yeahh right...that's why i am pissed offf...RS4 is much faster than M3, next RS6 much faster than M5, R8 much much much faster than M6, S5 much faster than 335i, S3 much faster than 130i so what's the deal with the hideos and oversteering bmw's?what's so special with them?!:))))

Every one of your points here are quite correct, RS4 beats the M3, R8 beats the M6, the S3 beats the 130i, the S5 beats the 335i and more than likely the RS6 will also beat the M5 (well destroy is nearer the truth). So why do you need to verbally attack BMWs, do you not think actions speak louder than words, I think Audi are doing a very good job of this all on their own.

You can tell quite a few here dislike some Beemers, I dislike the M series but actually like the rest of the range. Like most here have already said they are both quality products, their just on differing paths of perfection. :D

[SuperstarDriver]

thank you for seeing that Audi is much more performant then BMW that was my statement, of course in my new posts i will tell my opinion without including my hate for BMW and also i will say again and again that Audi is growing daily as they promised to grow and right now and in the future of course will have the most advanced technology on cars!For example why Bang & Olufsen choosed to colaborate ONLY with Audi?!because B&O are the best and they only work with the best cars so...another example of mine is why Audi has always the best interiors, best design, best materials, biggest brakes, biggest tires, super hot and precise steering wheels, because they cand and they will demonstrate that Audi is No.1 !Long live Audi and S/RS cars and of course the all range of Audi cars...

[Leadfoot]

If the M5 is to got a power hike of 20~30hp then there is a good chance in acceleration the M5 will got very close near the 130mph up mark. Of course all this depends on what the final weight of the RS6 will be.

[KresoF1]

Superstar seems to forgot one very important fact-Audi is under Porsche control as is complete VAG...
So, if Porsche decide to kill some project-it will happen.

Back OT-RS6 will feature automatic gearbox and that implies IMHO that it will not be as sporty as current RS4 for example. 2000kg of weight won't help either despite 580hp... Yes, it will be very fast but, ultimate windy road car? IMHO Audi have better cars for it-name it R8, RS4 or even TT...

[SuperstarDriver]

RS6 will not have 2000kg, even S6 doesn't have that weight, and guys w are talking about RS6 the best Audi in the range so do you think that RS6 will not take his market expectations?!Look at the R8, TT or RS4 what they've did and you shall see what the RS6 will do next!It's ridicolous to think RS6 will only have power and performance but no better dynamic, is like you would say that a horse is not faster than an elephant that's sounds like...so expect to unexpected:the RS6 will definitively be the best car money can buy for family, racetrack, drag-race and design awards...so if anyone here in this forum believe that RS6 will not be as we expected shall hear his voice and shout the voice off when the beast will be released, this is my opionion and i will stand for it to the finish:)

[KresoF1]

...so expect to unexpected:the RS6 will definitively be the best car money can buy for family, racetrack, drag-race and design awards...so if anyone here in this forum believe that RS6 will not be as we expected shall hear his voice and shout the voice off when the beast will be released, this is my opionion and i will stand for it to the finish:)

So, your advice is for all future R8 owners(me included) that all of them needs to cancell thier R8 orders and wait for RS6 instead?

Yeah... We all will do that...

[Leadfoot]

Back OT-RS6 will feature automatic gearbox and that implies IMHO that it will not be as sporty as current RS4 for example. 2000kg of weight won't help either despite 580hp... Yes, it will be very fast but, ultimate windy road car? IMHO Audi have better cars for it-name it R8, RS4 or even TT...

Trust me the RS6 will handle, every bit as well as the RS4. Agreed it would be quite as good as the R8 especially when the road gets very twisty but on the corners that are on the ring the RS6 will be snapping at the R8's heels.

I agree with SuperstarDriver that the weight of the RS6 will not reach 2000kgs, IMO the weight will be around the 1900kgs mark or possibly a little lower but not much. Weight is always a problem but not the biggest, how a car controls it is the thing and if the RS6 with is new suspension system can do this then the RS6 will be easily as good as the RS4.

[KresoF1]

S6 weight is 1910kg and RS6 will weight more... You will see...
Automatic gearbox... Very good thing indeed for track like Nordschleife...
Weight distribution... You that it will be pretty nose heavy(5002ccm V10 biturbo is HEAVIER then current S6 engine)...

Are you also saying that forthcoming RS6 will be a better sportscar then R8?

[Leadfoot]

S6 weight is 1910kg and RS6 will weight more... You will see...
Automatic gearbox... Very good thing indeed for track like Nordschleife...
Weight distribution... You that it will be pretty nose heavy(5002ccm V10 biturbo is HEAVIER then current S6 engine)...

Are you also saying that forthcoming RS6 will be a better sportscar then R8?

As for the weight, all RS models have weighed less than their S model brothers, just look at the S4 (1660Kgs) and the RS4 (1650Kgs), this is why I reckon the RS6 will weigh slightly less than the S6. But even if it is more I doubt it will get near the 2000Kgs mark.

The engine + turbos will indeed be heavier than the S6 engine on it's own and because of this Audi will have gone to great lengths to shave weight from the front of the car. I will be surprised if it doesn't have a lot of alloy or some carbon-fibre around the nose, plus you have to allow for the fact that the RS6 will be using either DRC or MagneticRide suspension which will help hide the weight transference a lot better than standard springs/dampers while retaining a supple ride.

Of course I am not saying the RS6 would be a better sports car than a R8, that would be just silly. One is a proper sports car while the other is a big heavy four door saloon/estate which just happens to go, handle and stop well while all the time transporting it's occupance in the lap of luxury.

[PeterJohn]

Dynamically, the important weight issues are weight distribution, and center of gravity. The total weight of the car should not hurt its handling and grip, as long as the chassis components (most of all tyres) are matched to the car.

As leadfoot speculates, Audi will probably shave weight off the front. A lightweight roof like the M6 wouldn't be a bad idea either. But unlike the Bimmers' fancy Carbon Fiber (or Kevlar?), I suspect Audi will use aluminium. The weight difference doesn't justify the price difference.

A way to make to front lighter is move the battery, the computer, fluid reservoirs,... to the back. It's even better than lightweight components, b/c it makes the rear heavier by the same amount, so the weight balance advantage is double.

[Leadfoot]

Dynamically, the important weight issues are weight distribution, and center of gravity. The total weight of the car should not hurt its handling and grip, as long as the chassis components (most of all tyres) are matched to the car.

As leadfoot speculates, Audi will probably shave weight off the front. A lightweight roof like the M6 wouldn't be a bad idea either. But unlike the Bimmers' fancy Carbon Fiber (or Kevlar?), I suspect Audi will use aluminium. The weight difference doesn't justify the price difference.

A way to make to front lighter is move the battery, the computer, fluid reservoirs,... to the back. It's even better than lightweight components, b/c it makes the rear heavier by the same amount, so the weight balance advantage is double.

For a long time I have always wondered why Audi didn't go down the same route as BMW and move the battery to the rear, these things in cars this size weigh a ton and would like you said double the effect. But weight balance is not the be all and end all, lightening the suspension components are even more important to the overall feel of the car and the way it steers.

I know that what we seen in the videos of the RS6 on the ring were just test mules and not the finish example but from what I seen the suspension is keeping the body in check with little movement even under great loads.

[SuperstarDriver]

did i say that the new RS6 will be better than R8?where did i wrote that?in my dream?guys you are not reading well my posts...i said clearly that the new RS6 will definitively be the best SALOON in the world, not SUPERCAR like R8 is and of course R8 remains the best Audi ever and will be for long time in the future so please read it well first and then answer to my posts!and the other thing is that do you thing that Audi is not capable of doing an RS6 with less weight than the S6?We all are talking about the best Audi in the range yet (not including R8 because is a Supercar) and thefore the money they've spend for RS6 are huge and most worth for us to buy the car and in conclusion the new RS6 will have less weight than you think, huge power and torque, magneride suspensions, new DRC and posibly the new Torque Vectoring system in premier...so i think clearly that this is gonna be like!

[S6driver]

[quote=Leadfoot;96860]For a long time I have always wondered why Audi didn't go down the same route as BMW and move the battery to the rear, these things in cars this size weigh a ton and would like you said double the effect.


Audi has already done this in the new S6. The battery in my car, produced Aug.'06, sits right next to the spare tire in the trunk well. Not much room upfront with the V10.

[Leadfoot]

Audi has already done this in the new S6. The battery in my car, produced Aug.'06, sits right next to the spare tire in the trunk well. Not much room upfront with the V10.

Well there you go, I didn't know that. As I only owned a lowly S4, my battery with there beside the engine, but like you said, there isn't a lot of room with a V10 up-front.

[SuperstarDriver]

RS4 has the battery in the back, huge battery, but then the RS4 owners know that already!

[skiwi]

For a long time I have always wondered why Audi didn't go down the same route as BMW and move the battery to the rear, these things in cars this size weigh a ton and would like you said double the effect. But weight balance is not the be all and end all, lightening the suspension components are even more important to the overall feel of the car and the way it steers.


but our rs6's have the battery in the rear, as did my old s8, and as does the rs4. ditto the new s6/s8???

all done properley - unlike the usa rs6's where the battery is plonked down on top of the floor of the boot (to accomodate a full-size spare where we have our batteries)...

[Leadfoot]

but our rs6's have the battery in the rear, as did my old s8, and as does the rs4. ditto the new s6/s8???

all done properley - unlike the usa rs6's where the battery is plonked down on top of the floor of the boot (to accomodate a full-size spare where we have our batteries)...

Alas skiwi, the highest I have got up the Audi ladder was the S4v8 and it's battery was stuck in the front of the car. Hopefully now that money is a bit more readily available I hope to enjoy hunting for the battery posts in some future RS model. :D

While we are on this subject, do anyone know where the battery is on the new S5 ?

[SuperstarDriver]

S5 has the battery upfront, i saw the engine bay last days and i was curious about where is the battery and i observed very well the new longitudinal engine placement, very very cool thing, and also i liked the design of the cylinders, more beautiful than the RS4, S6,S8...and Audi is getting better and better...:D

[Leadfoot]

S5 has the battery upfront, i saw the engine bay last days and i was curious about where is the battery and i observed very well the new longitudinal engine placement, very very cool thing, and also i liked the design of the cylinders, more beautiful than the RS4, S6,S8...and Audi is getting better and better...:D

With the exception of the RS4, it looks like Audi are only placing the battery in the boot when there isn't the room up front.

[SpinEcho]

all done properley - unlike the usa rs6's where the battery is plonked down on top of the floor of the boot (to accomodate a full-size spare where we have our batteries)...

Actually, it's even worse than that - it's NOT a full size spare! You actually have to inflate the stupid thing with a weedy little air compressor they supply... :lovl:

[got boost]

Actually, it's even worse than that - it's NOT a full size spare! You actually have to inflate the stupid thing with a weedy little air compressor they supply... :lovl:

even more frustrating, is how close for a full size to fit. This was going to be my first mod, then realized it wouldnt work:doh:

[skiwi]

yeah, we have the same thing in our allroad.....

[Sacha]

Info from a friend that went at the European Dealer Meeting at Marbella where the new cars for 2007-2008 were unveiled.


So, now that we are in July, any further precision on the press release date?

[SoCal]

but our rs6's have the battery in the rear, as did my old s8, and as does the rs4. ditto the new s6/s8???

all done properley - unlike the usa rs6's where the battery is plonked down on top of the floor of the boot (to accomodate a full-size spare where we have our batteries)...

Yeah, my old RS6 had the battery in the rear taking up a good chunk of the trunk (or boot, if you like) and had a spare tire that required inflation from a VERY slow little compressor.

In our new S6, the battery -- which is a monster, BTW -- is hidden in the trunk under the floor next to a full size spare tire mounted on a regular 19" rim. Much more elegant and practical a solution. Having that battery weight lower and further back should help handling a bit, too, and it makes the huge trunk all that more usable.
:0:

[AudiSuperDriver]

as i said before last year...RS6 580HP...and the other thing :WHO IS INSANE TO BELIEVE THAT M5 WILL BE FROM 140MILES TO THE TOP SPEED THE NEW RS6?ARE YOU ON DRUGS MAN?Hope not...RS6 will beat M5 at any speed, at any gear and in any straight line dragrace or in the corners...so pls who has another opinion keep for yourself because 90% of this forum believes that RS6 will beat the crap M5!!!And the other thing...new Tiptronic-S for the RS6 will change gears in 80ms... M5/M6 (100ms)...so shttttt

[OfftheHeZie]

LOL. As I was entertained and laughing most of the time reading this Superstar does get carried away. Whats funny - so far he hasn't been wrong about anything and maybe his source actually does his job... so maybe we should treat his word as gospel. LOL. :D
Just wow.

~Mason

[OfftheHeZie]

Btw, the battery in my A6 is under my back seat, and I have more weight on the rear axle than front... which A6 do I own?

~Mason

[quattro Gmbh]

new rs6 test mule accelerates 0-100km/h in 4.2 seconds.

[Bingocaller]

new rs6 test mule accelerates 0-100km/h in 4.2 seconds.

Hmm the old one did it in 4.8 and the Plus in 4.6 sec - I was hoping for a bit faster then 4.2 sec with the 580 hp :mech:

The E60 M5 does it in 4.6 so that should be no problem but the E63 AMG does it in 4.1 so....

[artur777]

E63 AMG does it in 4.5!
you mean, it does 0-60 @4.1-4.2

Then RS6 will do 0-60 @3.9-4.0

[Bingocaller]

Sorry yes - my bad

Looked in the wrong collum

[Ruergard]

as i said before last year...RS6 580HP...and the other thing :WHO IS INSANE TO BELIEVE THAT M5 WILL BE FROM 140MILES TO THE TOP SPEED THE NEW RS6?ARE YOU ON DRUGS MAN?Hope not...RS6 will beat M5 at any speed, at any gear and in any straight line dragrace or in the corners...so pls who has another opinion keep for yourself because 90% of this forum believes that RS6 will beat the crap M5!!!And the other thing...new Tiptronic-S for the RS6 will change gears in 80ms... M5/M6 (100ms)...so shttttt

Hold up m8. Check your times for the gearboxes, cause that's a bit away from the truth isn't it? :)

You havn't changed since your last username here on the board, that's for sure. ;)

[absent]

!!!And the other thing...new Tiptronic-S for the RS6 will change gears in 80ms... M5/M6 (100ms)...so shttttt

Unless they put DSG in that thing you can only dream to get a fully automatic Tiptronic S to change gears faster then 250ms.
Enzo does it with manual F1 in 150ms,599 (quickest production car tranny) in 100 ms and FXX (not street legal) in 80ms.
Are you claiming that slushbox in new RS6 will match FXX transmission?:rolleyes:

[QuattroFun]

A slush box is quite okay for the RS6 - much smoother than E-gear/SMG and very few actually buying the RS6 want to shift themselves - and I am sure that it is pretty swift. The S6/S8 application is already pretty good and this will probably be better.

Interestingly, Autobild claims that the 580PS is achieved with "only" 650Nm so the peak power has to be closer to the 6800rpm redline if this is true rather than spread over a very broad range like in the previous RS6 (5700 and 6400 rpm).

I still wonder how much feel and agility they have been willing/able to engineer into the chassis and if it will be air suspension, magentic ride or DRC? SS+ option?

[Lloydmeister]

I'm sure that I had many many good points and comments to make, while reading through the last 6 pages of this thread...but a particular user made my mind fizzle in confusion and stress.
Actually, one thing was... Shassy. I had a good laugh. Ahh well, looking forward to Frankfurt in september!!

[Audiphile]

I have read in Auto Motor Und Sport that the next generation of the S8 will be 600 bph. Whether it will be an RS8 I am not sure. But in the A8-Series, an RS monikor is not likely as you have the A8L W12 sitting atop the pecking order of all Audis. An RS8 would likely distract from the top-of-the-line image of the W12. So, I see the A8, the S8, and the A8L W12 as the only lines with the S8 being the high-end performace luxury bomber. Since the new RS6 is to be about 571 bph, the next S8 has to be more. It is likely that the A8L W12 will move above 500 bhp. Though I thought Audi might instill a standard V12 instead. Who knows?

[Audiphile]

Love your passion Superstar...:R8kiss: for Audi! Just turn off the "Caps Lock" once in awhile. It is hard to read all caps. Again, as I said, I do not believe the A8-line will ever have an RS version because it would overstep the A8L W12- the "king" of the Audi line regardless of bhp. However, no reason the S8 cannot be the performance king. An RS8 would have a negative effect on the prestige of the W12 in my opinion. The 12 cylinder players are all about this in terms of marketing at this level.