Ferrari 599 is history!!!!!

[Leadfoot]

Who here thought the 599 was the ultimate supercar in the normal price bracket (if you can call it's price normal). Well things are about to spice up quite a bit.:hahahehe:

Check out the competition.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/ecf/spyphotoID/6070417.002/lamborghini/spy-photos-lamborghini-murcielago-superleggera

[Ruergard]

Wow... now that really is something! Can't wait to see the real thing, the sound must be awesome! :D

[Fab]

that car will just be a pure killer :MTM:

[LamboM]

Wow fantastic.
They are now doing what they should have done years ago...
shaving off weight finally.
The LP640 goes from 0-100 KPH in 3.4 sec so this will fly to 100 in god knows
how fast.
Probebly arround the 2 sec. And 700 BHP? great great great!!!!
and of curse it loooooks great.
Although it still could be faster if they replace the roof to carbon fiber (it's mades out of steal in the 640)

And now I'm sure it will make a lap record on the Top Gear track.

And who exsacly said anything about the 599 being the ultimate supercar?
I never saw it like this.

[Leadfoot]

Wow fantastic.
They are now doing what they should have done years ago...
shaving off weight finally.
The LP640 goes from 0-100 KPH in 3.4 sec so this will fly to 100 in god knows
how fast.
Probebly arround the 2 sec. And 700 BHP? great great great!!!!
and of curse it loooooks great.
Although it still could be faster if they replace the roof to carbon fiber (it's mades out of steal in the 640)

And now I'm sure it will make a lap record on the Top Gear track.

And who exsacly said anything about the 599 being the ultimate supercar?
I never saw it like this.

'The LP640 goes from 0-100 KPH in 3.4 sec so this will fly to 100 in god knows how fast. Probebly arround the 2 sec.'

Now LamboM, don't do a SuperstarDriver on us and make a silly statement. :rolleyes:

If a Veyron with 1001hp can't do 0-100km/h in 2 sec how will this Lambo, maybe you should think more on the lines of 3.0~3.2 sec and this might be possible.

[LamboM]

Hmm Well here is how it is possible:
I've read in a magazin that the Veyron tips the scale of just over 2.2 tons which makes alot of sence when you think about it.
It has a very heavy W16 engine with 10 radiators and tons of luxuries.
So the figures are here power to weight ratios.
Besides think about it by adding extra 69 BHP to the standard murcielago they shaved off 0.4 sec off the 0-100 time,
so this time not only they add 60 More BHP but also shaving off 100-150 KG
that will probebly remove extra 0.8 sec or something in this area.
Ok I admit I did exaggerated abit it won't do it in 2 sec but it will do it in arround
the 2.5 sec or 2.7 on that I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Leadfoot]

The Veyron weighs 1950kgs complete with fluids etc. The Lambo with weighs using WFC quotes 1575~1625Kgs with fluids, which means a 275~325Kgs advantage for the Lambo but in the same breath it will have 300hp less power and that is at Bugatti's quoted output which is really more like 1150hp which would place the Veyron having an extra 450hp or put it another way 1.65 times more power yet only weighs 1.23 times more. Even at the 1500kgs weight the Bugatti will still only weigh 1.3 times more, plus the Haldex system used in the Bugatti is also more efficient at putting the power to the road.

The new Lamborghini will beat the 599 hands down but the Bugatti would still be a pipe dream that will never be beaten by this or any Lamborghini, now or in the future.

[RXBG]

i'd still take the 599 fiorano. it just looks so much more my style. and i'm all about style. :hihi:

i honestly think the lambo will look more exotic but the ferrari will look more sexy.

[Lateknight]

Not sure about the wing :vhmmm:

Ther rest though :thumb: .....drools.

Someone has got to post a video of this. If theres pictures of this car, there has got to be at least one video. My goosebumps await!!

Performance.
Using this reasonably accurate tool here;

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

A 680hp 4wd vehicle weighing 1570kg would do 0-60mph in 2.97 secs !
(that not 0-62mph or 0-100kmh though as used now)

[OfftheHeZie]

This will be pure porn once we see it with a paint job and hear that V12... god...
I'm glad they are not screwing around any longer with this "hypercar" business and unleashing the beast.

~Mason

[Leadfoot]

Not sure about the wing :vhmmm:

Ther rest though :thumb: .....drools.

Someone has got to post a video of this. If theres pictures of this car, there has got to be at least one video. My goosebumps await!!

Performance.
Using this reasonably accurate tool here;

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

A 680hp 4wd vehicle weighing 1570kg would do 0-60mph in 2.97 secs !
(that not 0-62mph or 0-100kmh though as used now)

Thanks for this Lateknight, it shows that my reckoning was indeed spot on.:thumb:

I question though, what did it say the Veyron would do the 0-60mph in?

[LamboM]

Leadfoot.
Don't get me wrong.
The veyron is still the speed queen but unlike any other supercars up until now
this new Superleggera will be the best match to the veyron.
And as for the 0-100 Wi'll see once the test comes up untill then...

The 599 sexy? really? I don't like it that much besides all recent ferraris don't look that good... in my opinion the last beautiful ferrari was the F40. now that was a beauty .

OfftheHeZie You got that Right!!!!

And agin Leadfoot it's lamborghini you're talking about, they have a history of records breaking, in the 80' and 70' it was the countach, the cars toped 314 KPH and then 326 KPH (check in the guinness world record of 85' and 78 I think ).

And in the 90' it was the Diablo GT (it was slower than the maclaren F1 of curse)
that was the fastest production car of that time (the F1 was not production car)

So don't underestimate them.

And it sais the veyron does it 3.3 sec

[Leadfoot]

I personally think the best looking Ferrari was the original Dino, an amazing car inside and out as was the Daytona. I wasn't arguing with you LamboM, just making the point that a 2sec 0-60mph was pie in the sky stuff, if the Veyron couldn't do it over 1000hp the Lambo surely wouldn't either.

One things for sure, it will be the best of the rest.

[SuperstarDriver]

i didn't like the "SuperstarDriver posts"...are you crazy man?i always tried to by myself so if you have a problem with my posts just don't read them, other guys like my posts you don't, that's ok with me but don't make me a clown or something cause i'm not and i'm not gonna be your shot face ok man?I thought you LeadFoot liked my style of posting...
On the other hand for me the next Murcielago Superlegerra will be damn fast...so fast that even an Enzo (who is not in production) will not beat him and also i want to say that if this car will be released will kick off even Pagani Zonda F and R (the Zonda for racetrack)...just wait and see:d

[Leadfoot]

SuperstarDriver,

Your posts make my laugh but I didn't think you took your own posts that serious because of the way you talk regarding BMWs. Sorry I offended you and I promise not to do this again.:cheers:

[SuperstarDriver]

thank you for your understanding man, i appreciate that! also i want to say if i offend a car i'm not offending a people, it's car, no soul, no nothing so i will do it in the future...i offend BMW cause those cars they've make me sick and very instable for me (i'm obssed for high speed chase and high speed cornering in the very best control of the car and in safe security)...i don't like RWD even on dry road, i like Quattro, 4Matic, 4Motion, 4WD (the system from Porsche, Lamborghini,etc), EVO X, Subaru Impreza WRX STI and many more, but ALWAYS THE CARS WITH 4WD cause they make you sh...t in your own pants when you are cornering at high speeds, more power down=more control=more safety=more speed in corners=THE VERY BEST FEELINGS A CAR CAN GIVE:)
RWD is ONLY for DRIFTING...

[Bingocaller]

RWD is ONLY for DRIFTING...

So thats why all formula cars - GT cars etc are RWDriven and all Rally cars that enjoy nothing better but to drift around corners to get the fastest time are AWDriven? ;)

[Leadfoot]

Bingocaller,

To the best of my knowledge AWD has been banned from almost all forms of motorsport with the exception being rally/motorcross.

What this shows is that either AWD was to expensive for the smaller team to compete or it had an advantage over RWD that meant the smaller teams again couldn't afford AWD and with RWD couldn't compete.

[SuperstarDriver]

AWD is faster then RWD but as Leadfoot said IT'S WAY MORE EXPENSIVE IN MOTORCROSS AND F1 ETC CAUSE IT'S A VERY COMPLEX SYSTEM VS NORMAL RWD!Why was Audi Quattro system banned from rally's after wining all prizes?!Why?Cause ALWAYS 4WD will beat RWD!

[Bingocaller]

My point were that (no offence Superstardriver) that RWD is only for drifting is a bit of statement!

If it were so why are the majority of cars produced made with RWDrive or FWDrive?

Some part of it come down to the need for it - a KIA dont need RWD or AWD in my opinion :) but we most also look at the cost aspect of incorporating an AWD system.

My point is that high performance car producers such as M AMG Ferrari etc. should have the money to incorporate such a system and have the costumer base with the money to pay for it - they simply choose not to use such a system - and STILL manage to produce cars with hairraising performance.

A great example would be the M3 CLS - I think a certain member of this board would agree with me LOL :)

I dont doubt that AWD is the greatest thing out there but its not the only option when you want to go fast

[Benman]

i didn't like the "SuperstarDriver posts"...are you crazy man?i always tried to by myself so if you have a problem with my posts just don't read them, other guys like my posts you don't, that's ok with me but don't make me a clown or something cause i'm not and i'm not gonna be your shot face ok man?


Actaully, he's hardly alone. I'm getting tired of the complaints of your posting.

"i'm not gonna be your shot face ok man?

Almost like a threat. Need to tone it down...

Ben:addict:

[IulianUM]

And I thought that the Murcielago was RWD and that only the Gallardo was AWD and not Quattro by the way .:doh:

I´ve been told by a Pro driver that a lot of the so called supercars use much more electronic gadgets than we think to get the beasts driveable (and thus less fun for the great drivers out there) .
And I am not talking about BMW , Peace .:bye:

[absent]

And I thought that the Murcielago was RWD and that only the Gallardo was AWD and not Quattro by the way .:doh:

I´ve been told by a Pro driver that a lot of the so called supercars use much more electronic gadgets than we think to get the beasts driveable (and thus less fun for the great drivers out there) .
And I am not talking about BMW , Peace .:bye:
That dubious honor should go to AMG whose cars have very intrusive and very "caring" electronic assists.
On the other hand ,90% of these cars would be wrecked within hours without these systems.

[Leadfoot]

And I thought that the Murcielago was RWD and that only the Gallardo was AWD and not Quattro by the way .:doh:

I´ve been told by a Pro driver that a lot of the so called supercars use much more electronic gadgets than we think to get the beasts driveable (and thus less fun for the great drivers out there) .
And I am not talking about BMW , Peace .:bye:

I didn't read the repost that closely from WFC but I thought all Murcielagos had AWD just like the Gallardo, am I wrong in this opinion.

[SuperstarDriver]

all LAMBORGHINI's including Murcielago have 4WD!

[m3fan]

Can't wait. 0-60 gotta be in the high 2's. Thats a BAD A$$