Guess ring lap time of RS6Mk2

[Leadfoot]

How about something new, guessing the lap time around the ring for the next RS6. I think it will be interesting to see what the rest of the group think it's capable of doing.

[Ruergard]

This might sound weird, but I'm counting on that it will get down under 8 minutes. Maybe all the way down to 07:55. With that power, Quattro and Magnetic Ride it really should be able to do that... :addict:

And with you spreading leads all over the place about low times.. :thumb:

[tazsura]

7:52....:bow:

Taz :incar:

[Leadfoot]

This might sound weird, but I'm counting on that it will get down under 8 minutes. Maybe all the way down to 07:55. With that power, Quattro and Magnetic Ride it really should be able to do that... :addict:

And with you spreading leads all over the place about low times.. :thumb:

So you think it's possible to drop 20seconds off the M5's time...........interesting.:D

Now I am a realest, I see the RS6 for what it is, a large heavy saloon car which might happen to have 585hp, bucket loads of torque, a fast shifting gearbox and possibly magneticride. But with all of these things I see the next closest rival posting a time of 8:15 or 8:11 with r-compound tyres, so I personally reckon it's time regardless of what I have been told/hinted will be something like 8:01~8:05.

If it does do what they are saying then we will be in for some treat, but like I say I'm a realest.:looking:

I would like to add that at the moment no one outside of Quattro GmbH know what the weight, weight balance, tyres sizes etc. that this car has, so all these plus the above point I have already highlighted will determine what time it is really capable of.:thumb:

[Ruergard]

So you think it's possible to drop 20seconds off the M5's time...........interesting.:D

Now I am a realest, I see the RS6 for what it is, a large heavy saloon car which might happen to have 585hp, bucket loads of torque, a fast shifting gearbox and possibly magneticride. But with all of these things I see the next closest rival posting a time of 8:15 or 8:11 with r-compound tyres, so I personally reckon it's time regardless of what I have been told/hinted will be something like 8:01~8:05.

If it does do what they are saying then we will be in for some treat, but like I say I'm a realest.:looking:

I would like to add that at the moment no one outside of Quattro GmbH know what the weight, weight balance, tyres sizes etc. that this car has, so all these plus the above point I have already highlighted will determine what time it is really capable of.:thumb:


Take it for what it is man.. :thumb:
No, but really. If the RS4 is doing 8:09 with that "little" horsepower. A time around 8 seconds might just be what we will see. As long as it beats the beemers by a few seconds I'll be more than satisfied. But, you must admit.. that a time under 8 minutes would be really cool? :D:D

[Leadfoot]

I will help those undecided, the last three choices are only there for the BMW fans on the site to make the poll look like us are even considering the M5's time as reasonable. ;)

[S6LANA]

My vote is 8-8:09!

[RXBG]

what is the current M5's best time... and E63 also.....?

[artur777]

Guys,

let's think logically.
Look at the figures please:

BMW M5 & M6 (direct competitors)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)

The improvement of E60 M5 over E49 M5 is 15 seconds.
M6 is a new model for BMW - nothing to compare with.
Better aerodynamics give us a certain advantage over M5.

Audi S4 & RS4 (junior "brothers" of Audi RS6):
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)

RS4 new is quicker for 16 seconds over the old one.
S4 new is quicker for 13 seconds over the old one (but the new one in test is Avant, so S4 Limo is probably 15 seconds quicker).

BMW M3 (junior "brother" of direct competitors)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)

BMW M3 E46 is 13 seconds quicker than its predecessor.

What does all that mean?
It means that new generation of BMW is quicker for 15 seconds in average than the old model.
Audi S4 & RS4 are quite similar to BMW - in average 15 seconds of improvement.

So we also have the time of RS6 old model:
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 450 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)

My guess that new generation of RS6 is going to be 15-19 seconds quicker than the last one. Taking into consideration everything, let us choose the figure - 18 seconds.
So new RS6 is going to have 8:02.

And also let's estimate new BMW M3.
BMW cars are usually 13-17 seconds quicker. So let's take 15 seconds of improvement for BMW M3.

The old one has 8:22, the new M3 is going to have 8:07.

The ranking is:
2008 Audi RS6 - 8:02
2008 BMW M3 - 8:07
2006 Audi RS4 - 8:09
2006 BMW M6 - 8:09
2005 BMW M5 - 8:13

Cars with the same times as new RS6 for comparisson:
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05),
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)

- One improtant notice: we talk about stock cars with normal suspension settings, road tires and good (not best!) driver, else it's going to be another story. In another case the time could be improved up to 10-12 seconds.

- The second point.

There is no lap time of Audi S6, but we know that it is slower than M5, but faster than S4. So S6 time is something like 8:19 - 8:21 like old Audi RS6.
From my statistics we see that RS4 is 15-18 seconds quicker than S4 Sedan. So RS6 is in similar situation - we get 8:01-8:06. We have got the same range again. So time 8:02 is quite reasonable.

- The last notice: I have seen that at the forum it was an opinion of 7:52 as expected time. I think, it is a great time, but it's not a stock car variant.
Just for comparisson what cars had the time close to 7:52:

7:47 --- 158.801 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1805 kg (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05),
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06),
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)

Thanks everybody for the attention.
Would be glad to develop the discussion.

[Leadfoot]

artur777,

The 7:52 was only an APRIL FOOLS or so I thought until a certain person hinted otherwise. Do I personally think it will be this quick, of course not but it did get me thinking, will it be within 10 seconds of this in much the same way as the RS4 was compared to it's official time.

I reckon anything in the 8:00~8:05 time is very much possible given the suspension options, the power output and the fact that it has quattro which we know helps heavier cars especially on fast tracks.

As for the S6 being slower than the M5, in I think Car & Driver they tested on a short circuit the S6 vs M5 vs E63 and the S6 was all but inseparable from the M5's time so I reckon it might well get even closer to the 8:15 posted by the M5 on the ring. Factor in the extra 150hp, trick suspension, trick transmission, possible better weight balance, better brakes etc, etc and it does look like the RS6 will post a time very close to the 8 minute barrier.:wo:

[RXBG]

artur- excellent analysis. thanks for posting that. supports my vote for the 8-8.09 bracket.

i do not think that, as powerful as it is, it would be faster than the V8 R8. but that it could be faster than the M6 would prove a huge point. a HUGE point for audi. and i think it will be.

but this also emphasizes how awesome the R8 is, which from what i hear, can lap the ring at about 7.52 or so- on street tires?

[artur777]

RXBG - thanks.

About R8.
R8 is a wonderful car of course.
But we know that R8 is a competitor of such cars as Porsche 997 Carrera S, Porsche 996 GT3 and etc.

7: 52 is a zone of Gallardo, which is a level-up to Audi R8.
So, I expect Audi R8 to be within 7:53 - 7:58.
Let's say 7:55.

But Audi RS8 would be a threat to Gallardo and Porsche 997 GT3 and in my opinion it will in 7:46 - 7:51 segment. Let's say 7:48.

It's just my humble opinion-))).
The figures are below:

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1805 kg (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h – BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05),
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

[LU-RS6]

I voted 7:50 - 7:59 because the new RS6 will winn loads of seconds compared to the old RS6 on the long straights such as Hocheichen to Aremberg, and then to Adenauer Forst.
Also Bergwerk to Klostertal ofcourse an Dottinger Höhe

The footage I've seen is only adding to my guess here..

If it's already faster almost 3 seconds from 0-200, it will easily win 10 seconds on the straights. Add to that the improved acceleration out of every curve + the fact that it will (hopefully) have improved suspension, I see it beating the 8:00 mark.

[Leadfoot]

RXBG - thanks.

About R8.
R8 is a wonderful car of course.
But we know that R8 is a competitor of such cars as Porsche 997 Carrera S, Porsche 996 GT3 and etc.

7: 52 is a zone of Gallardo, which is a level-up to Audi R8.
So, I expect Audi R8 to be within 7:53 - 7:58.
Let's say 7:55.

But Audi RS8 would be a threat to Gallardo and Porsche 997 GT3 and in my opinion it will in 7:46 - 7:51 segment. Let's say 7:48.

It's just my humble opinion-))).
The figures are below:

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1805 kg (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h – BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05),
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

The ones in red are of course racing driver of the very highest standard, so their time will at the very least be 5~10 seconds better than any other listed here, though no doubt the rest of them are of a high standard as well. One example is the RS4, in testing it recorded a time of I think 7:58~9 but the official time is 8:09. Racing drivers be on another planet compared to the rest of us.:bigeyes:

I totally agree that the R8v10 will out perform the Gallardo (current version) around the ring, newer technology etc. but if the RS6 gets with in 10~12 seconds of it, I personally think that will be some achievement.:bow:

[Leadfoot]

I voted 7:50 - 7:59 because the new RS6 will winn loads of seconds compared to the old RS6 on the long straights such as Hocheichen to Aremberg, and then to Adenauer Forst.
Also Bergwerk to Klostertal ofcourse an Dottinger Höhe

The footage I've seen is only adding to my guess here..

If it's already faster almost 3 seconds from 0-200, it will easily win 10 seconds on the straights. Add to that the improved acceleration out of every curve + the fact that it will (hopefully) have improved suspension, I see it beating the 8:00 mark.

Fair points, if you analyse it like that then you could be right. It's what I have been told but it does sound to good to be true, when I was told it's time I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

[LU-RS6]

Fair points, if you analyse it like that then you could be right. It's what I have been told but it does sound to good to be true, when I was told it's time I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming.


I must admit, my guess is fairly optimistic ofcourse. To win over 20 seconds on the Ring with the same car it will take you ages. But the new RS6 will blow the old one away, I mean 560-580 BHP is no joke! If it beats the M5 on 0-200 that means it'll do it in less than 13,5 seconds. It is a whole different category than the old one.

[QuattroFun]

Pulled out my Sport Auto Supertests - 09/2002 (old RS6 sedan 8.20min) and 12/2004 (new M5 8.13min). Both tested cars on Conti SC 2 19". Interestingly, M5 seems to establish its lead on the long and fast straights Döttinger Höhe (M5: 269km/h - where is the limiter? vs. RS6: 258km/h) and Schwedenkreuz (M5: 250km/h vs. RS6: 242 km/h). Sure, with factory driver Stuck behind the wheel, the M5 would go faster - but same is probably true to some extent also with the RS6. On these two long straighter stages the M5 is predictably even faster than the RS4 (SP 06/2006), although it loses clearly on the twistier stuff partly due to RS4's Corsas.

So getting down to at least 8.13min from 8.20min on new RS6 vs. old RS6 with street tyres should be a no brainer. However, the suspension has to be exceptionally good to allow the street tyre shoed, two-tonne and 60% front axle biased, new RS6 sedan to get down to 8.00min. In fact, this is very unlikely in the hands on non-factory drivers - but the bar set by M5 is really so low that this is not necessary.

For us standard users, the much more important question is the way it reaches its likely time of 8.09min on street tyres with SP's HvS behind the wheel (broadly corresponding to Leadie's 7.52min with Corsas and Audi factory drivers). Will there be finesse, feedback and flow outside the long straights - or will it plow like a pig? The video pics look fairly promising w.r.t. chassis balance...

[quattro Gmbh]

8:05 Imo..

[Leadfoot]

While we are on the subject of ring lap time, what are you guys opinions on what the S5 will achieve based on the previous S4's times and the current RS4. We know the performance wise the two RS4s old and new aren't that much different so all of the time made up by the new RS4 was done in the corners.

Performance wise the S4 and S5 aren't worlds apart, the S5 might be 1.5secs tops quicker to 200km/h so again the difference will be down to the chassis.

The S4 Avant posted a time of 8:29 so basing my opinion of the improvement the new chassis with it's wider track, better weight balance and less overall weight than I believe that the new S5 is capable of posting a time in the regions of 8:15~8~19.

What do you all say about that?

[SuperstarDriver]

nice time man, when we should know for sure?

[artur777]

Leadfoot - about S5.

You know that S4 Avant posted 8:29. So S4 Limo is somewhere at 8:26.
The same time BMW 335i has shown - 8:26.

But we know that S5 is 5.1 sec from 0 to 100. S4 and 335i are at 5.5-5.7 sec.

So my expectation that improved acceleration will give about 2 seconds at the lap. And much improved suspension, weight balance and the engine not-overhanging over the front axle will will provide much more improvement at the track - may be 8 to 10 seconds.

Overall S5 will post time 8:14-8:16. Let's say 8:15. Just 2 seconds slower than M5 E60.

But if S5 gets some more equipment - such as DSG and Magentic Ride it's time will be improved even more. We talk now about standard S5 with manual tranny.

[Leadfoot]

artur777,

I like the way your mind thinks, unlike the rest of us who talk a lot and guess you actually analyse the subject totally, weighing up all the benefits and work out a very well thought out answer which I doubt anyone could pull holes in given the limited info presently available.

Can you give your opinion why your feel the M6 given the benefits it has over the M5 gained only 4 seconds?

[artur777]

Leadfoot,

thanks for your answer.

As far as I understand the differences between M5 & M6 are as follows:
- weight: 1830 kg VS 1785 kg (EU standards)
- drag (cw): 0.31 VS 0.32
- length: 4855 mm VS 4881 mm
- wheelbase: 2889 mm VS 2781 mm
- body stiffness: M5 is more stiffer than M6 because M5 is a sedan
- 0-100: 4.7 sec VS 4.6 sec (factory figures though it's almost impossible to get them on the road)

M6 is lighter and it has an advantage.
But M5 has better drag, longer wheelbase and shorter overall length, stiffer body.

So this is the answer. There aren't a lot of differences, but all of them execpt weight are on the part of M5.

The engine, suspension, SMG, tires are the same ones.
The difference is only weight and in my opinion the time spread could be even smaller.
The cars are very similar.

We also don't know if it was the same driver having tested both cars or not. We know that the difference between drivers is great and may comprise to 10-12 seconds for the same car. So it could also be different drivers in different mood and different weather conditions and etc.
Everything is possible here.

So, this is my opinion.
Hope, it's understandable.

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

thanks for your answer.

As far as I understand the differences between M5 & M6 are as follows:
- weight: 1830 kg VS 1785 kg (EU standards)
- drag (cw): 0.31 VS 0.32
- length: 4855 mm VS 4881 mm
- wheelbase: 2889 mm VS 2781 mm
- body stiffness: M5 is more stiffer than M6 because M5 is a sedan
- 0-100: 4.7 sec VS 4.6 sec (factory figures though it's almost impossible to get them on the road)

M6 is lighter and it has an advantage.
But M5 has better drag, longer wheelbase and shorter overall length, stiffer body.

So this is the answer. There aren't a lot of differences, but all of them execpt weight are on the part of M5.

The engine, suspension, SMG, tires are the same ones.
The difference is only weight and in my opinion the time spread could be even smaller.
The cars are very similar.

We also don't know if it was the same driver having tested both cars or not. We know that the difference between drivers is great and may comprise to 10-12 seconds for the same car. So it could also be different drivers in different mood and different weather conditions and etc.
Everything is possible here.

So, this is my opinion.
Hope, it's understandable.

The three I highlighted in bold are things I didn't know about the differences between the two, like most I knew that the M6 has the shorter wheelbase but not the longer overhangs, this is surely a bad design flaw in respect to handling. As for drag co. this is very objective as to how much 0.01 will make to the overall speed, I would say little or nothing. But something that will effect the handling quite a lot will be stiffens or should I say the lack of it, are you sure about this last one I would have assumed that a coupe would be stiffer by design.

But what do you think about the difference in tyres R-compound to stock, surely they should make more than 4seconds or is the improvement only found in a really good chassis that can make use of the differences.

[Leadfoot]

Remember guys, it's still time to vote.

[Benman]

I'm down for 4:55LOL!:applause:

Seriously, I'll go for 7:59 on R Comps.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

[Leadfoot]

I'm down for 4:55LOL!:applause:

Seriously, I'll go for 7:59 on R Comps.:thumb:

Ben:addict:

I think your first guess was the difference between what it and how far behind an M6 would be after a 24hr race at the ring. And before anyone sits down and works out what an extra 10seconds difference per lap is over 24hr would be, let me explain the reason it's so big (4hr 55mins), it's the fact that the M6's transmission would have failed sometime during the night.:hihi:

Only kidding.:thumb:

[artur777]

I think your first guess was the difference between what it and how far behind an M6 would be after a 24hr race at the ring. And before anyone sits down and works out what an extra 10seconds difference per lap is over 24hr would be, let me explain the reason it's so big (4hr 55mins), it's the fact that the M6's transmission would have failed sometime during the night.:hihi:

Only kidding.:thumb:


Leadfoot,

after reading and analyzing the info about upcoming RS6, I should admit that RS6 will be a hell of a car.
I am going to change up my mind about RS6 Ring time.
Before I have posted that RS6 will complete the Ring in 8:02.
But after reading the information about RS6 and S5, I think it will complete the lap in, say, 7:55.
Two things influenced me greatly:
1) Hp and torque moment of RS6 (580 and 750 respectively)
2) the Ring time of S5 (one of Audi' chief engineers in an interview posted that S5 is able to complete the Ring in 8:10 - 8:15:thumb: ).

What all do you think about this?

[Toto89]

S5 in 8:10 around the ring, that sounds very good, and don't forget that RS6 will have around 230hp more.:bigeyes:

[El_cucaracha]

yeah, and upcoming RS5... it will be demon... my guess RS5 will be 6~7 secs faster than S5... and RS6 my guess 7.55~57... and than when RS6+ appears... the time around the track... 7.53 maybe...

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

after reading and analyzing the info about upcoming RS6, I should admit that RS6 will be a hell of a car.
I am going to change up my mind about RS6 Ring time.
Before I have posted that RS6 will complete the Ring in 8:02.
But after reading the information about RS6 and S5, I think it will complete the lap in, say, 7:55.
Two things influenced me greatly:
1) Hp and torque moment of RS6 (580 and 750 respectively)
2) the Ring time of S5 (one of Audi' chief engineers in an interview posted that S5 is able to complete the Ring in 8:10 - 8:15:thumb: ).

What all do you think about this?

Artur777,

I know the ring time of a few up and coming Audis and you will be amazing by all of them, regards of what the car motoring press think of them as pure entertainment on four wheels the results of their speed in a straight line and around corner will speak volumes for the new found understanding they have in their suspension and chassis design.:bow:

The TT/S will be posting times close to that of the S5 which is even more amazing when you consider how quick the old model was, it's the difference between the old M3 and the CSL.:bigeyes:

Audi have come from being a force to reckon with in the quality stakes to being a force in the performance stakes as well, it's been a long time coming but it's great to see it's here now.:thumb:

[artur777]

Artur777,

I know the ring time of a few up and coming Audis and you will be amazing by all of them, regards of what the car motoring press think of them as pure entertainment on four wheels the results of their speed in a straight line and around corner will speak volumes for the new found understanding they have in their suspension and chassis design.:bow:

The TT/S will be posting times close to that of the S5 which is even more amazing when you consider how quick the old model was, it's the difference between the old M3 and the CSL.:bigeyes:

Audi have come from being a force to reckon with in the quality stakes to being a force in the performance stakes as well, it's been a long time coming but it's great to see it's here now.:thumb:


Leadfoot,

many new Audi'sare going in the market.
Will Audi RS6 be fastest at the Ring, or TT-RS will be even faster?
Hope, that Audi RS6 will be the fastest one.

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,

many new Audi'sare going in the market.
Will Audi RS6 be fastest at the Ring, or TT-RS will be even faster?
Hope, that Audi RS6 will be the fastest one.

To the best of my knowledge there isn't going to be a TT/RS or at least not one in the near future, there will be a TT/S which in tests early on in the development was posting time of around 8:15, this was with a 2.0TFSi engine but this was months ago so who knows how things have progressed talk it among the group here that the car will be getting a 5cylinder engine instead.

The R8 I think will be the quickest or possibly the RS6, one is amazing on the corners while the other is amazing on the straights, again who knows but I think it will be close between this two.

[artur777]

To the best of my knowledge there isn't going to be a TT/RS or at least not one in the near future, there will be a TT/S which in tests early on in the development was posting time of around 8:15, this was with a 2.0TFSi engine but this was months ago so who knows how things have progressed talk it among the group here that the car will be getting a 5cylinder engine instead.

The R8 I think will be the quickest or possibly the RS6, one is amazing on the corners while the other is amazing on the straights, again who knows but I think it will be close between this two.

Leadfoot,
I agree that R8 V10 will be the fastest car at the Ring.
I think it could be even a little bit faster than Gallardo.
But RS6 will be not far from R8 V10 Ring's time - may be 3-6 seconds slower, but both lower than 8:00.

[Leadfoot]

Leadfoot,
I agree that R8 V10 will be the fastest car at the Ring.
I think it could be even a little bit faster than Gallardo.
But RS6 will be not far from R8 V10 Ring's time - may be 3-6 seconds slower, but both lower than 8:00.

The R8v8 will also be posting times below 8:00.:thumb:

[artur777]

Unofficially Quattro GMBH engineers say that RS6 Ring time will be about 8 min.
But it's unclear if it has been achieved on standard tyres or R-Comps.
The difference could be up to 10 sec.

[Leadfoot]

Unofficially Quattro GMBH engineers say that RS6 Ring time will be about 8 min.
But it's unclear if it has been achieved on standard tyres or R-Comps.
The difference could be up to 10 sec.

Those are pretty good guesses, but expect it to officially better the RS4's time. I personally reckon around 8:05~6, anything better will be a bonus. ;)

[masa^^]

I don´t think that it will be capable to pull sub-8 lap. The biggest reason for that is it´s weight, it is going to be very heavy car anyway..