Brake Help Needed!

[TekTalk]

Hi Folks...

Have just joined up, because I'm having a few problems with my RS6 brakes.

The pads and discs are in need of replacement, and from main dealer this is expected to be about £1800 - ouch!

I don't mind the money, too much!, but am not too happy with how the brakes are anyway. So I'm looking into alternatives, and wondered if anyone can offer any advice?

A few questions I have;

Are A6 discs the same as RS6?

Are there any alternative disc items available?


thanks in anticipation.

Russ

[jonas21]

There was a good thread about this not long ago:
http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10990

No, the normal A6 discs are not the same as RS6. The RS6 discs are alot bigger of course :)

[TekTalk]

There was a good thread about this not long ago:
http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10990

No, the normal A6 discs are not the same as RS6. The RS6 discs are alot bigger of course :)

Hmmm... thanks for the info jonas, the 'of course' is only that way if you know that fact, which I don't hence why I posed the question... how about the S6 discs? they are using most of the same parts throughout the rest of the vehicle?

Am just ploughing through that thread, it seems that there is general opinion that the brakes are ok, but lack cooling.

I have priced up Movit kits, and they're not cheap, do they really offer significant improvement?

[gjg]

I have Movit's on two rs6 cars, imho it is something should have been there to start with.... :doh:

well worth the money if you drive .... .well, let's call it "spirited" driving :D

stock brakes are ok for normal driving, if you do autobahn/ less speed enforcement areas than you need something bigger. Alternatively use different padds (Pagid gray I believe - that info is here on the board somewhere). :idea:

[LU-RS6]

Hi Tektalk, your question describes exactly what I was going through few weeks ago.
Meanwhile I have done the following:

installed new brake discs (stock)
installed pagid blue brake pads
installed phaeton air scoops for better cooling

and I am MORE than happy with this combo. As you can read in this thread (http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11360), I have also delimited my rs6 and thus had a few emergency brake stops already, the brakes are perfect. I could not have done this type of braking with the stock setup.
I am also planning to change my brakefluid and install steel brake lines to really finish it off.
Here is a picture of the scoops installed and a picture of the pads

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t260/Chillax666/Audi%20RS6%20Avant/brake%20upgrade/DSC02079.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t260/Chillax666/Audi%20RS6%20Avant/brake%20upgrade/DSC02088.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t260/Chillax666/Audi%20RS6%20Avant/brake%20upgrade/pagid.jpg




I should also thank 7:53 RS6 for his tips!




Best regards
LU-RS6

[TekTalk]

Thanks LU-RS6 and gjg, your advice has been a great help!...

The driving I do is fairly standard road, and although I do tend to cruise maybe a touch above the national limit it's not something I make a practice of. That said, give me a country road and I certainly enjoy spirited driving! - but this probably forms only 5% of my total mileage, the rest is spent on motorways etc when I tend not to usethe brakes anyway!

I had come to the conclusion that probably a combination of stock discs and specialist pads were a good idea for me, but I do also like the inclusion of the scoops - as I read in these threads that the RS is bad for overheating the brake components.

In the end;

Discs, standard stock
EBC, Redstuff pads

Now looking for some scoops following your advice :o)

[LU-RS6]

Thanks LU-RS6 and gjg, your advice has been a great help!...

The driving I do is fairly standard road, and although I do tend to cruise maybe a touch above the national limit it's not something I make a practice of. That said, give me a country road and I certainly enjoy spirited driving! - but this probably forms only 5% of my total mileage, the rest is spent on motorways etc when I tend not to usethe brakes anyway!

I had come to the conclusion that probably a combination of stock discs and specialist pads were a good idea for me, but I do also like the inclusion of the scoops - as I read in these threads that the RS is bad for overheating the brake components.

In the end;

Discs, standard stock
EBC, Redstuff pads

Now looking for some scoops following your advice :o)

For more info about the scoops read here (http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8885&highlight=hot+brakes)
Stock discs + different pads + scoops does indeed seem like the perfect (cheaper) combo. Do not expect TOO much from the scoops but it certainly helps.

Though I must say I am still jealous about gjg and his movits :mech:


Good luck and keep us posted!

[TekTalk]

Though I must say I am still jealous about gjg and his movits :mech:


Good luck and keep us posted!

Yeah... I agree, a little green about Movits, but having priced them up at around £3k to convert all round - I honestly can't justify it!

I think I'll see how the standard stuff gets on this time around, thanks to your advice, and if it doesn't improve then Movit's it will have to be!

I'm now digging around to try and find stock discs at a reasonable price; Dealerships quote approximately £1k! Have also come across a couple of interesting things...

These guys http://www.rotordiscs.com/main_page.htm can take the standard stock blank and convert it into the rotordisc that you see on their site. Plus, I have had information that I can get the disc drilled & slotted, as well as heat treated, to increase it's durability - got any ideas whether either of those are any use?

regards

Russ

[LU-RS6]

Yeah... I agree, a little green about Movits, but having priced them up at around £3k to convert all round - I honestly can't justify it!

I think I'll see how the standard stuff gets on this time around, thanks to your advice, and if it doesn't improve then Movit's it will have to be!

I'm now digging around to try and find stock discs at a reasonable price; Dealerships quote approximately £1k! Have also come across a couple of interesting things...

These guys http://www.rotordiscs.com/main_page.htm can take the standard stock blank and convert it into the rotordisc that you see on their site. Plus, I have had information that I can get the disc drilled & slotted, as well as heat treated, to increase it's durability - got any ideas whether either of those are any use?

regards

Russ


Regarding the price, I paid about EUR 1000,- for new brake discs.


I can't say anything useful about that website, but it looks a bit dodgy :vhmmm:

[TekTalk]

Regarding the price, I paid about EUR 1000,- for new brake discs.

It must be a little cheaper where you are... I have looked at all alternatives, even have a friend out in the USA at the minute who is looking around for me - but I don't think he'll have the time sadly, but the discs appear to be reasonably priced in most places except the UK!

I have a few contacts in the motor trade, so amnow trying to get hold of the part numbers for front and rear discs so the he can get me a quote.

Just as a matter of interest... this is a website I designed and host, for a friend who races BMW's (yuk!), but it's fun to look around!




I can't say anything useful about that website, but it looks a bit dodgy :vhmmm:

Why do you think it's dodgy?... the discs look a little unusual, but the design is likely to help the cooling? They can't get standard stock RS6 discs, here in the UK they are dealer only - even Brembo (who make them), list them as dealer only.

The only comment I have had about them was from a racing company called Larkspeed - the young lad, who looked up the size of 365mm front and 335mm rear said that was the largest disc he'd ever heard of!!!:hihi:

[LU-RS6]

Why do you think it's dodgy?...


As I said I don't think I'll be able to say something useful about them as I don't know them and have never heard about them.
I guess it is the very unusual design which gets me a bit puzzled. :vhmmm:

[manticRS6]

I dont know if you guys in europe need to have everything TUV approved or not, but these guys race 3 Audis in the World Challenge Series and have been racing for years. I had their coilovers on my S4 and they were incredible. I will purchase the Ohlins coilovers for my RS6 from them and iIam looking at getting the Alcon brakes too. I have 2 friends that are using this setup currently an they are extremelly happy. One has 500hp R32 and the other one has an E46 M3, both with with VF superchargers.

It is a 6 piston caliper from Alcon with 370mm (14.5") 2 piece rotors. And the price is way better than Movit or any other kit you can get in Europe. Prices for aftermarket stuff is a lot cheaper over here in the US.

If someone is interested, I can check how much shipping is to Europe.

Check out the link:

http://www.stasisengineering.com/Category_Detail.aspx?id=8&YR=2003&MK=Audi&EN=68&PID=30

[LU-RS6]

Wonder how they compare to Movits :vhmmm:

[manticRS6]

Movit is basically using Porsche brembo brake callipers. Alcon is the biggest and foremost name in brakes for racing applications. All Formula 1 teams are using Alcon and I think most of the WRC Rally teams are also using Alcons. Personally, I think Movit's are not going to perform at the level that the Alcons will. Also, everything that Stasis is sellign is race tested on their own race cars. Movit doesnt race any cars.

PS:Ich bin uebrigens von Zuerich, lebe aber in Kalifornien.

[LU-RS6]

thx socalrs6,


I will keep it in mind :thumb:

[Aronis]

LU-RS6 when are you marketting that Scoop Kit? I'll take one please.....

Mike