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chewym
February 24th, 2007, 05:10
http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_2931.shtml

A bit dissapointed.

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 08:26
http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_2931.shtml

A bit dissapointed.

The only disappointment for me is the little power increase over the current S4, this might be a price to pay for it being on sale at the launch. Why no valvelift or is it a case of fourtitude not including it in their description of the S5. The torque has increased by a whole 10% which is interesting and will make for a powerful mid-range.

As I have already said it won't compete with the M3 on acceleration but on everything else it will be right at the top of it's game.

The S5 alloys don't half look like the ones on the M6.:rolleyes:

chewym
February 24th, 2007, 08:59
I think the 4.2 V8 on the S5 does have Valvelift, it just doesn't have that much hp benefit. Also there is nothing about S-Tronic (DSG) in the press release.

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 09:52
To the best of my knowledge it won't be rolled out until the A4 but I could be wrong about that.

Maybe Valvelift benefits torque and it's spread more than out-right power, if the case then that's OK by me. I prefer torque to power anyway, it's one of the reasons I preferred the S4 over the M3.

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 11:22
I think the 4.2 V8 on the S5 does have Valvelift, it just doesn't have that much hp benefit. Also there is nothing about S-Tronic (DSG) in the press release.
Sorry but the S5 will not have valve-lift it only will have a power hike of 10 hp over the old S4 engine to 354 hp.
His 0-100 Km/h time looks good though 5.1 secs, that is 0.5 secs faster then a S4 and only 0.3 slower then a RS4.
And here is a size comparison with the A4.

http://www.audi.de/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/product/a5/s5.Par.0141.Image.gif
http://www.audi.de/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/product/a4/a4_saloon/b7.Par.0092.Image.gif

Hans.

markwm
February 24th, 2007, 12:16
Don't those S5 wheels look like 19"?

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 12:25
Don't those S5 wheels look like 19"?
i'm sure they are 19' with out a doubt.

Hans.

markwm
February 24th, 2007, 13:01
i'm sure they are 19' with out a doubt.

Hans.

the recent press release and audi.de say they are 18"

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 13:07
the recent press release and audi.de say they are 18"
Yes on the "A5" they are, but these on the S5 are 19" (maybe optional).

Hans.

markwm
February 24th, 2007, 13:13
Yes on the "A5" they are, but these on the S5 are 19" (maybe optional).

Hans.

Actually, if you look on audi.de it says the wheels on the A5 are 19 inch, then on the S5 page it says those wheels are 18". Must be a mistake.

http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/neuwagen/a5/a5/ausstattung.html 19 zoll

http://www.audi.de/audi/de/de2/neuwagen/a5/s5/ausstattung.html 18 zoll

roadrunner
February 24th, 2007, 14:33
In the press release :deal: they say about wheels:

Standard on A5 - 17'

Standard on S5 - 18'

The shown 19' seem to be optional

Greetings
seb.

rqiu
February 24th, 2007, 14:33
The only disappointment for me is the little power increase over the current S4, this might be a price to pay for it being on sale at the launch. Why no valvelift or is it a case of fourtitude not including it in their description of the S5. The torque has increased by a whole 10% which is interesting and will make for a powerful mid-range.

As I have already said it won't compete with the M3 on acceleration but on everything else it will be right at the top of it's game.

The S5 alloys don't half look like the ones on the M6.:rolleyes:

It is quite fast - 5.1 seconds to 100km/h. I am definitely fine with this number. I just want "torque vectoring". Maybe it is there. :doh:

roadrunner
February 24th, 2007, 14:42
On the german Audi site they are talking about "intelligent body structure" made of a combination of aluminium and steel.

If it is the same as on the TT (front out of aluminium) , this would mean less weight + better weight distribution.

The 5.1 sec 0-100 for the S5 are one indicator.

It seems to be getting better and better. :dance:

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 14:57
It is quite fast - 5.1 seconds to 100km/h. I am definitely fine with this number. I just want "torque vectoring". Maybe it is there. :doh:

Torque vectoring will be there that is for sure. They are hardly going to give the standard A5 it and not the sportier S5, now are they.:brag:

The thing I will say is that based on these power figures, I doubt the RS5 will have a 5.2V10 but will be a up-rated version of the RS4 engine with a power hike of maybe 15~20hp.

Cale24
February 24th, 2007, 16:07
Latest pics look great, I'm now a firm fan, although I still reckon it could have been a bit better. It seems to be considerably lighter than an S4 to better its 1-100 figures so much, despite larger dimensions. Good stuff.

rqiu
February 24th, 2007, 17:27
Torque vectoring will be there that is for sure. They are hardly going to give the standard A5 it and not the sportier S5, now are they.:brag:


Can someone find the rear diff in this pic?

rqiu
February 24th, 2007, 17:38
Looks like the BorgWarner's TorqTransfer Systems.

http://www.bwauto.com/products/tts/images/bg_iTrac.jpg

http://www.bwauto.com/products/tts/images/bg_iTrac.jpg

tvrfan
February 24th, 2007, 18:19
I am very much disappointed, when AUDI builds finally times stronger engines with benzinern and for Diesels. thus they will never be able to keep up with BMW even in the 3-bmw gibts 286 hp strong Diesels sowas search one with the A6 in vain :rolleyes: and when AUDI does not build finally times new engines always the old upgraden like the 2.0l or the Diesels we needs new engines!!! :nana:

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 18:54
There's a two turbo 3.0v6TDi version coming and it will form part of a sports diesel line-up. You could call it a diesel S5 if you like.:D

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 21:05
new picture.

http://www.audiusa.com/etc/medialib/cms4imp/audi2/aoa/product/s5my08/crops/exterior.Par.0171.Image.jpg

Hans.

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 23:04
Man does that thing look like the XK from the door back.

Back to the spec, I reckon the DSG won't be here until the A4 to help it's launch from a technical point of view. And I feel this is when the S5 and S4 will get valvelift to give both models a slight boost in power.

What's evryone's opinion on this.

markwm
February 24th, 2007, 23:10
Hans, there's lots of unseen pics on the audiusa site in the media gallery

rqiu
February 24th, 2007, 23:16
Back to the spec, I reckon the DSG won't be here until the A4 to help it's launch from a technical point of view. And I feel this is when the S5 and S4 will get valvelift to give both models a slight boost in power.

What's evryone's opinion on this.

If they don't have valvelift in the V8 at the show, then it may be as you said. When is the expected B8 A4 launch date? March 2008? Sounds about right time to have a facelift/upgrade for A5/S5.

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 23:20
Man does that thing look like the XK from the door back.

Back to the spec, I reckon the DSG won't be here until the A4 to help it's launch from a technical point of view. And I feel this is when the S5 and S4 will get valvelift to give both models a slight boost in power.

What's evryone's opinion on this.
I think you are right about the A4/S4 part.
But i think that the new RS4/RS5 will be the first Audi's to get Valve-lift V8 engine's with 455-470 hp.

Hans.

Leadfoot
February 24th, 2007, 23:26
Hans, I am wondering will the RS4/5 be released at the same time and if so will that be two years from now or in other words a year from the A4 launch?

I don't think you are right about the RS5/4 will be the first to get valvelift, well at least with those power figure as that would mean a 100~115hp hike in power over the S5/4, highly unlikely unless the S4/S5 get a boost as well.

Iceman
February 24th, 2007, 23:40
By the Roadjet Concept the power hike was 45 hp over the normal 255 hp engine.
And it would be 40 hp over the A8 engine, and just 15 hp in the A5.
If Valve-lift can do the same by a V8 engine you will have at leased a 435 hp engine.
Or a 460-465 hp one.

Hans.

markwm
February 24th, 2007, 23:59
Isn't it a bit early to be talking about RS models? RS6 isn't even here yet, there's talk of a TT RS and now a RS5. Just seems like too many RS models on the cards when truth is there's only been 1 in recent years.

Leadfoot
February 25th, 2007, 00:27
Isn't it a bit early to be talking about RS models? RS6 isn't even here yet, there's talk of a TT RS and now a RS5. Just seems like too many RS models on the cards when truth is there's only been 1 in recent years.

OK, but when did you last see a S model being released at the launch of the model. I can't think of it ever, so you see our point and why we believe that there is a change happening inside of Audi.

chewym
February 25th, 2007, 00:54
I am not so confident about Audi Valvelift anymore. The one on the V6 engine (2.8 and 3.2) doesn't appear as advanced as variable systems that the competition has or the one on the one on the Roadjet Concept. But an S5 at launch (was supposed to debut at New York in April) is a good sign.

rqiu
February 25th, 2007, 02:03
Chewym,

I think there is room for improvement in the 3.2L VL engine. Audi should be able to make it 320hp (3.2 * 100) if they really want to.

chewym
February 25th, 2007, 02:16
Chewym,

I think there is room for improvement in the 3.2L VL engine. Audi should be able to make it 320hp (3.2 * 100) if they really want to.

That could be true but it would still be low on torque when compared to other 300 hp+ V6 with displacement of 3.5 liters. But we will see what happens. Audi's 7 speed DSG can lessen the power defecit of the A5 compared to some other competiton but it is hiding right now. Multitronic is an interesting option as well but is it available for Quattro?

rqiu
February 25th, 2007, 02:27
That could be true but it would still be low on torque when compared to other 300 hp+ V6 with displacement of 3.5 liters.True. Although I like V8 better than big V6, I agree that Audi should make a 3.6L V6 with VL for A4/A5. Maybe they are...

chewym
February 25th, 2007, 05:24
BTW, does any one know why the S5 uses more fuel than the A6/A8 4.2 FSI. The S4 has much poorer fuel economy than the A6/A8. I thought it was because the engine was somehow changed to fit the S4, I thought that the S5 would have no problems with this as it is bigger. I hope this isn't because the S5 has 4 extra horsepower over the A6/A8 4.2 FSI.

Iceman
February 25th, 2007, 08:38
What i have understand is that Audi uses Valve-lift for fuel savings in the A5 3.2 V6 engine rather than for power increase.

Hans.

tvrfan
February 25th, 2007, 16:31
There's a two turbo 3.0v6TDi version coming and it will form part of a sports diesel line-up. You could call it a diesel S5 if you like.:D

is that true??? any sources? :eek:

Leadfoot
February 25th, 2007, 18:29
is that true??? any sources? :eek:

All whispers in the right places, much in the same way as the S5 would be there at launch.

You have to remember that like awd systems, VAG are at the fore-front of diesel technology and with the introduction of the R10 race car Audi will want to be leaders in performance diesels.

They have listen to the public on releasing the performance models sooner and the demand is out there for a performance diesel Audi.

Iceman
February 25th, 2007, 18:44
In the A5 section of "Audiworld.com" are a lot of colored S5 pictures, Front, Side and Rear.
The stock Grey one, Black, Sprint Blue, Orange and Red.

http://chrislund.name/AudiS5Colors/front-orange.jpg

I like this orange color, but i'm Dutch it's in my blood.
But my chooise will be black if i order one.

Hans.

AndyBG
March 21st, 2007, 04:33
One quick Q ?

Is there A5 2.0 T ?

If there is one, is there quattro or just front wd?

What gearboxes are ofered ?

And what power is producing ? (170, 177, 200, 220, 240...)

Oh, this isn't one, these are four Q's... :D

roadrunner
March 21st, 2007, 08:48
One quick Q ?

Is there A5 2.0 T ?

If there is one, is there quattro or just front wd?

What gearboxes are ofered ?

And what power is producing ? (170, 177, 200, 220, 240...)

Oh, this isn't one, these are four Q's... :D


No A5 2.0 TFSI as of now.

A5 1.8 TFSI comming in autumn 2007

FWD

Manual from the start (Multitronic later?)

170 HP

Greetings
seb.

AndyBG
March 21st, 2007, 13:14
No A5 2.0 TFSI as of now.

A5 1.8 TFSI comming in autumn 2007

FWD

Manual from the start (Multitronic later?)

170 HP

Greetings
seb.


No 2.0 T, but there is 1.8 T... :vhmmm:

No quattro.

Why ... ?

I think that 2.0 T quattro would be best solution, sounds crazy, I know.