Sport Auto Supertest: Porsche 997 GT3 RS

[Erik]

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Nordschleife: 7:48 :deal:

0-100 km/h in 4.3 secs.
0-120 km/h in 5.6 secs.
0-140 km/h in 7.5 secs.
0-160 km/h in 9.2 secs.
0-180 km/h in 11.1 secs.
0-200 km/h in 14.0 secs.

verdict:

the RS doesn´t outperform the GT3 but what else did you expect?
Both come with the same engine, except of the fly wheel, even though Porsche made some efforts to close the gap between a super sports car and a street-legal race car, it takes an experienced driver to discover the slight difference between these two. The driving dynamic of the GT3 RS is unbeatable with 77 pts it scores the hishest points in the sport auto Supertest ever, same as the GT3


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Nurburgring:
7:32 mins. - Porsche Carrera GT
7.33 mins. - Pagani Zonda F
7.34 mins. - Koenigsegg CCR
7:43 mins. - TechArt Porsche GT Street
7.44 mins. - Pagani Zonda S
7:46 mins. - Porsche 996 GT2
7:47 mins. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
7:47 mins. - Porsche 996 GT3 RS*
7:48 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3*
7:48 mins. - Porsche 996 GT3 RS*

Hockenheimring:
1:08.6 mins. - Porsche Carrera GT
1:09.8 mins. - Koenigsegg CCR
1:10.8 mins. - Pagani Zonda F
1:11.1 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*
1:11.7 mins. - Porsche 997 GT3*
1:11.8 mins. - Lamborghini Gallardo SE
1:11.8 mins. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640*
1:11.8 mins. - Pagani Zonda S
1.11.8 mins. - Porsche 996 GT3 RS*
1.12.0 mins. - Lamborghini Murielago

36m slalom:
141 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*
141 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3*
138 km/h - koenigsegg CCR
137 km/h - AC Schnitzer Topster*
137 km/h - Pagani Zonda F
136 km/h - Alpina Roadster S*
136 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG*
136 km/h - Porsche 996 Carrera S
135 km/h - Audi RS4*
135 km/h - BMW M3 CSL*
135 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT

110m evasion test:
159 km/h - Pagani Zonda F
158 km/h - Koenisgegg CCX
158 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3 RS*
158 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3*
157 km/h - BMW M3 CSL*
157 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT
155 km/h - Alpina Roadster S
154 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2
153 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640*
153 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S

Best over all:
77 pts. - Porsche 997 GT3 RS
77 pts. - Porsche 997 GT3
76 pts. - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
75 pts. - Pagano Zonda F
74 pts. - Koenigsegg CCR
71 pts. - Porsche 996 Carrera S

* indcates semi-slicks


Source: sportauto

[Clio16V]

Thanks Erik!

Do you also have the other missing pages?

[Leadfoot]

When you look at the times set here for the 997 GT3RS they look very similar to that of an M6. The Porsche has more power/weight than the M6 and more torque/weight than an M6, it has better traction, so why similar times.

I reckon the Beemer produces more than they say.:brag:

[Clio16V]

I think you're talking about the acceleration times ;)

My guess is that the gearbox of the M6 and aerodynamics of the M6 are making this possible?

[7:53 RS6]

997 is in its very end of preforming stage. Things must change in time, engine more pushed forward in to the car and sekvential gerabox, will not exactly make it slower:music: around the tracks

[7:53 RS6]

When you look at the times set here for the 997 GT3RS they look very similar to that of an M6. The Porsche has more power/weight than the M6 and more torque/weight than an M6, it has better traction, so why similar times.

I reckon the Beemer produces more than they say.:brag:

NO, rather SMG:applause: and plenty of gears

[Leadfoot]

NO, rather SMG:applause: and plenty of gears

If that is the case then they should be spending more development time and money getting the product right as it has had a lot of reliability problems.

Though I still think DSG is a much better product.

[Ruergard]

Porsche - There is no substitute.

Guess this shows that pretty well! :D

[7:53 RS6]

If that is the case then they should be spending more development time and money getting the product right as it has had a lot of reliability problems.

Though I still think DSG is a much better product.

Said it before, you read to many forums.

And im not suprised that you rate DSG in favor of SMG:cheers: As well im perfectly well whit that.;)

[Speedou]

For everyday use DSG, track day SMG. For both THE manual. So well done Porsche! To me manual is always over the SMG. SMG still misses some fun :stick: I think it's clear that on the straight line the M6 is faster, but never gives you that the GT3 does.

[Leadfoot]

I think you're talking about the acceleration times ;)

My guess is that the gearbox of the M6 and aerodynamics of the M6 are making this possible?

I doubt the aerodynamics of the M6 is any better than that of the Porsche which is 0.30. As for the gearbox it's only advantage is a quicker change than the manual in the Porsche, but that advantage of say 0.5s for the three gear changes required should be equalised by the less power per ton that the M6 has. So I say again is BMW giving there cars especially motoring press car a little more power to post better times.

Just look at the 335i which Motortrend dynoed, it wasn't kicking out the factory figured 306hp but more like 360hp, this is almost a 20% increase. Admittedly turbos are known to have a bigger tolerance than N/A engines but 20% is on the big side. Even if the M6 had an extra 5~8% over factory that would amount to a 25~38hp difference.

One could say the same for the other brands, but I have read a lot of magazine and it does seem that BMW are a bit on the conservative side with their figures. I would have no problem with this if it was the normal with all of their cars.

Has anyone with a Beemer dynoed their car to see what it's like compared to what it should have.

[7:53 RS6]

The way my stock CSL drive, i guess it would dyno about 420hp then :applause:

[7:53 RS6]

The way my stock CSL drive, i guess it would dyno about 420hp then :applause:

Or let me say it like this, i would be dissapointet if it got less than what BMW say it have, less than 360 Hp. Is it not a brand that got problems to deliver even what the brand name say it would deliver regarding hp. I will not say any name:hahahehe: But some hp got lost under way, so to speeak:applause:

Ok im just joking a bit here, no nead to get started:)

[ricky71370]

an updated list of the RING...


http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073

and the 1.11,8 time on the g-car isn't the se model, its 1st generation g-car...

[Leadfoot]

Or let me say it like this, i would be dissapointet if it got less than what BMW say it have, less than 360 Hp. Is it not a brand that got problems to deliver even what the brand name say it would deliver regarding hp. I will not say any name:hahahehe: But some hp got lost under way, so to speeak:applause:

Ok im just joking a bit here, no nead to get started:)

I know that was a dig at the RS4, but it would explain why BMW's do perform better than their power figures would suggest. This bags the question why post figures well down the truth if only to make others look bad or is it a case of BMW says 'hey look at our performance from only ? hp, maybe the others aren't giving what they say'.

I know Porsche test every car before it's released to make sure it's producing the said amount but I don't know if they take to same view as BMW with their figures.

[Speedou]

One M6:

5th gear:
http://juti.1g.fi/kuvat/autot/K6+2006/5thGear.jpg

6th gear:
http://juti.1g.fi/kuvat/autot/K6+2006/6thGear.jpg

But still I don't see anything strange here. Those were not tested at the same time. If would have been tested still nothing strange. Lets imagine that the M6 does something like 13.5 and Porsche 14.0. Wouldn't still see anything weird. After 100 the meaning of the power to weight ratio is all the time getting smaller and smaller. Then add that 0.5s from gear changes. And 0-100 is always depending so much about driver, grip etc.

But still don't say that BMW doesn't put some special versions for the tests. Just that I believe every customer M6 can do under 14s. Seen the races and seen that the M6 is fast.

[7:53 RS6]

I know that was a dig at the RS4, but it would explain why BMW's do perform better than their power figures would suggest. This bags the question why post figures well down the truth if only to make others look bad or is it a case of BMW says 'hey look at our performance from only ? hp, maybe the others aren't giving what they say'.

I know Porsche test every car before it's released to make sure it's producing the said amount but I don't know if they take to same view as BMW with their figures.

Well i dont suffer from any conspiracy theori.



Well what ever, lets trust the numbers given to us, lets take it for real, what ever the car manufactor it is, thats what we got anyway! Only thing we know is awd loose som hp under way other dont have this lost at the same extent i guess.

[Leadfoot]

I hope that all magazines start to dyno and weigh the cars they test, if only to keep the car manufacturers honest.

No one will tell me that a Honda NSX-Type R is only kicking out 276hp, or any Japanese supercar. Like wise, no one will tell me that Audi stick to the 155mph limiter with their S and RS models.

I am not really knocking BMW, I am praising them especially if they give all their cars more than they say. If all suppliers met their figures there wouldn't be an argument.