NEW RS6 - What we've been waiting for!!!!!

[tazsura]

:addict: :rotflmao: :jlol: :incar: :wo: :bow: :heart: :rs6kiss:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/gcf/spyphotoID/6061016.003/audi/spy-photos-new-audi-rs6

[Mr Balsen]

And the hood has two air outlets.......

Cheers,
Frederic

[AndyBG]

World, hold on.... IT'S COMING !!!

:addict:

[Hy Octane]

I'm not buyin it. This is an S6 with a buncha mods.. Its just too ordinary to be the new RS6. Hell, the RS4 looks sportier..
Jury is still out..

[AudiTumbo]

I'm not buyin it. This is an S6 with a buncha mods.. Its just too ordinary to be the new RS6. Hell, the RS4 looks sportier..
Jury is still out..

Haha, funny post. OF COURSE they wanted it to look like the S6. Already forgot how the R8, RS4 etc looked on the spuy pics??

[bastordd]

RS6 avant is big... the car is beautiful and my be more fast

[m3fan]

I'm not buyin it. This is an S6 with a buncha mods.. Its just too ordinary to be the new RS6. Hell, the RS4 looks sportier..
Jury is still out..

Audi's saving the new look of the RS6 for the Genva 07 show. Can't wait to see the torque figures of the twin turbo V10.:thumb:

[bobjebb]

yea - dont worry about how it looks yet... Although that's pretty imposing already. Wait til they've finished with the arches...

[Ruergard]

I'm not buyin it. This is an S6 with a buncha mods.. Its just too ordinary to be the new RS6. Hell, the RS4 looks sportier..
Jury is still out..

Come on!
Thats not how it will look when it comes out! Offcourse they want it to look like a S6 when theyre testing it. Wait until Geneva 2007 and we'll hopefully see a real beast! Atleast I think so! :D

As m3fan wrote, I cant wait to see how much torque that enginge will put out! :jlol:

[Duma]

sweet.... i just can wait for geneve 07

[Ruergard]

sweet.... i just can wait for geneve 07

New info, a source from Audi have said that the car will be presented att Frankfurt 2007, not Geneve. This info was posted on a other community. I dont know if its a reliable source.

[AndyBG]

New info, a source from Audi have said that the car will be presented att Frankfurt 2007, not Geneve. This info was posted on a other community. I dont know if its a reliable source.

I think, Frankfurt is more likely to be truth...

[Benman]

I think, Frankfurt is more likely to be truth...


Me three... Geneva is too close towards the S6 debut... it'd still it's thunder.

Ben:addict:

[Iceman]

RS6 :vhmmm: looks more like a MTM S6 Supercharger with those bonnet vents. ;)

Hans.

[RXBG]

ditto. you beat me to it iceman.

[hurahn]

I'm not buyin it. This is an S6 with a buncha mods.. Its just too ordinary to be the new RS6. Hell, the RS4 looks sportier..
Jury is still out..

Don't be silly. Many companies test new engines and suspensions with the previous car's shell. Nissan tested the GTR with a G35 shell, Audi tested the RS4 with and S4/A4 body and finally we all know that the RS cars receive their own design cues that differentiate them from regular and S models. Keep your checkbook open.

[sticky]

If it is a v10 with two turbos audi will be a serious player. E55, M5, won't even stack up against that. The mercedes 65's would be the only cars with enough power to challenge.

If they do make a twin turbo v10, I will give the audi board oral to convince them to put that motor in the R8. Not that I want to, but I am a true enthusiast.

[AndyBG]

What figures are we expecting...?

520 - 550 hp ?

700 - 900 nm ?

[Toto89]

What figures are we expecting...?

520 - 550 hp ?

700 - 900 nm ?

I think in the middle: 600hp and 800nm, maybe 650hp but sure that it won't be more, I'm afraid they will give it "only" ~550 hp, of course it would be a very powerful engine, but not enough for a car like this.
I mean it will weight minimum 1800kgs -> needs ~600hp to reach 100kmh in 4 seconds.

[AndyBG]

I think in the middle: 600hp and 800nm, maybe 650hp but sure that it won't be more, I'm afraid they will give it "only" ~550 hp, of course it would be a very powerful engine, but not enough for a car like this.
I mean it will weight minimum 1800kgs -> needs ~600hp to reach 100kmh in 4 seconds.


Sounds crazy, but I am afraid to that they will give it ''only'' 550 hp.

But, what can we do...

[bobjebb]

But, what can we do...

Remap it...


Too much of a leap to go 600bhp, 520ish my guess, they have to do a Plus, remember...

;)

[Tanner]

Make it lighter and stop with these insane horsepower wars!

[Aronis]

Can't wait to see the Modified ones.....700 hp....More? YIKES....

Mike

(Hope the transmission is up to the task of moding....)

[bastordd]

bahh 550 hp 1750 kgs 4 sec for 100 km/h
The big problem is the weight

[audirs6sport]

Can't wait to see the Modified ones.....700 hp....More? YIKES....

Mike

(Hope the transmission is up to the task of moding....)

It actually does, well at least my tranny does. :addict:

[Toto89]

Make it lighter and stop with these insane horsepower wars!

I completely agree all of you who say to stop horsepower war and make lighter cars, but i don't see any chances to built a 1600-1700kg weighted RS6 soon.
Although Audi might could done it because they could do a Le Mans Quattro with V10TT engine and 1500kg, but look at real things->R8 is the same body with a much lighter engine (V8 N/A) and weights the same!!

[AndyBG]

I agree with you guys, but todays buyers of these cars want luxury and luxury = weight, so...

Horsepower war continues...

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

no RS6 Mule there. The plates do not belong to Audi.

MTM...

Release: IAA 2007.

[Ricoloco]

Testing trim-kit for the S6?!

[Hy Octane]

Told ya!:D

[AndyBG]

Dear Friends,

no RS6 Mule there. The plates do not belong to Audi.

MTM...

Release: IAA 2007.

That must be supercharged S6...:revs:

... !!! FREEEDEEERIIIC !!! ...

Where are you !!! :hihi:

[RXBG]

thanks for posting. i heard the same too......

[noushy]

You guys are just amazing, so fast to call it out. I have heard that we will not see a new RS6 until 2008 at the earliest. In addition, if you remember the last S6, RS6 mules, they had all sorts of hand laid fiberglass and non factory wheels (like special bbs wheels with custom offsets). Audi would use some part of the present series, but needs to assess the handling and weight, which usually means a modified track as well as suspension. In addition, just bumping up the power of the engine would not make an RS car. I figure we will see mules caught at the ring next spring/summer. The S6 cars are just trickling in. I received my S6 almost 19 months before the RS6 came out, and I expect that it will be closer to fall 2008 before we ever see one on this soil.

Noushy

[AndyBG]

I am still convinced that IAA 2007 Frankfurt is place and time where new RS 6 is going to reveled to a public, we will see.

[Finalmix]

It's going to be sick regardless! Great car

[m3fan]

550 horse power sound kinda low if you had torque in the low 400's. If the torque hits the 500 mark, then 550 horse power is plenty.

[jimmy94507]

Heard at Laguna Seca ALMS weekend.
Test mules running at over 700hp, around 770hp
Production probably at 580hp, no DSG
Only automatic transmission - very strong, very quick changes
Fall of 2008

Jimmy S

[Toto89]

Heard at Laguna Seca ALMS weekend.
Test mules running at over 700hp, around 770hp

Jimmy S

:bigeyes: Probably they are testing the new RS6 Plus?:hahahehe:

[jimmy94507]

They specifically stated the "new RS6". Nothing said about RS6 Plus.

[Leadfoot]

Heard at Laguna Seca ALMS weekend.
Test mules running at over 700hp, around 770hp
Production probably at 580hp, no DSG
Only automatic transmission - very strong, very quick changes
Fall of 2008

Jimmy S

The only reason for Audi to be testing a 700hp+ test mule of the next RS6 would be to see the durability of the transmission etc. We all know Audi won't ever produce a RS6 with this amount of power but as other tuner will up the power they may want to make sure the parts can stand up to the job. Lets face it, the M5/6 transmissions have broke on a number of occasions. One question, who's gearbox are they using, ZF or an auto from Mercedes.

[m3fan]

Heard at Laguna Seca ALMS weekend.
Test mules running at over 700hp, around 770hp
Production probably at 580hp, no DSG
Only automatic transmission - very strong, very quick changes
Fall of 2008

Jimmy S

No DSG bummer. So is the transmission the R-tronic? So what car gets DSG?

[Skaala]

http://www.automotorsport.se/bigpix/2006/audirs6fram_big.jpg

[schoko]

:addict: New article about the new RS6 in german AutoZeitung...

520hp with the S6 V10 Engine. No twin turbo...

But the looking is beautiful!

http://www.rs6.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4424&stc=1&d=1163764449

[AndyBG]

I have feeling that 520 hp N/A is just what we are getting...

Those 580+ turbo hps are to good to be true in this moment...

I hope i'm wrong...

[Iceman]

What did i tell you all. ;)
NA 500+ hp.

Hans.

[James Wyatt]

My local audi mechanic said he had been informed they could not squeeze in the twin turbos. Time will tell.:dig:

[Aronis]

Hey, NA is just fine...less to break/wear out.....

So TRANSLATE that German article....what did they do to get the extra HP?

Mike

[Iceman]

what did they do to get the extra HP?
Just increase of revs.
S6 = 5.2 V10 FSI 435 hp by 6800 rpm.
S8 = 5.2 V10 FSI 450 hp by 7000 rpm.
RS6 = 5.2 V10 FSI 512 hp by 8000 rpm.

Gallardo = 5.0 V10 520 hp by 8000 rpm.

Hans.

[m3fan]

The horse power figures are ok, I'm just worried about the torque. The RS6 is gonna weigh more than the E55 and M5.

[AndyBG]

All over again...

MB and BMW fighting, Audi watching...:doh: :vhmmm: :brag:

W H Y ???

[Aronis]

Higher revs for HP number does not mean a thing for Accel and Daily drive, if they simply upped the REVs to make the HP number higher, I doubt much of a change in performance.

There must be some more beef in the lower power band.

Mike

[baino]

ive heard rumours about them also using the 6.0 V12 diesel in one version ??
anyone shed some light on this ?

[Qisha]

Dear Friends,

nothing to worry about. You will get what you expect, the new RS6 will differ a lot from the S6, as well as the M5 for example. There are a lot of surprises for 2007.
The engine rumored in this article is under development but not as stated.

As far as the word Diesel goes, the first "sportier" Versions are coming.

Qisha

[BBGT2]

If the next gen RS6 is a N/A motor, they can keep it. Sorry I dont care for them, I need the snails so more power can be extracted from them. 520hp just from and RPM increase ???? I dont think so but you never know.
Good luck Audi but you aint getting me back with THAT RS6, on a different note I did see a S8 on the hyway and must say it looked GREAT.

Bajo

[jonas21]

I can second that. A pure N/A RS6 would probably find less customerbase than a turboed one. If the new RS6 comes with a N/A with 520hp its unlikely to beat the current M5 (due to weight)...which should be one of the goals (atleast thats what its been over the years).
A N/A RS4 is fine, different customerbase.
I doubt that the new RS6 will weight less than the current one, just look at the old and new RS4 (1620kg -> 1650kg).
I really hope that we get a turboed one, i get too many conflicting reports so i have no idea whats true...guess we gotta wait untill March 07 or something.

[Iceman]

German chip tuner SKN give the, Audi S8 483 hp / 575 Nm and the S6 468 hp / 575 Nm after a ECU software upgrade.

Hans.

[Qisha]

Dear Bajo,

you will be coming back. :D

Qisha

[BBGT2]

Dear Bajo,

you will be coming back. :D

Qisha



:addict: :addict: :addict:

I hope you are right my friend, and a little bird told me something a little while ago that I now further believe I WILL be back in the four ring mode.


Bajo

[Aronis]

If the next gen RS6 is a N/A motor, they can keep it. Sorry I dont care for them, I need the snails so more power can be extracted from them. 520hp just from and RPM increase ???? I dont think so but you never know.
Good luck Audi but you aint getting me back with THAT RS6, on a different note I did see a S8 on the hyway and must say it looked GREAT.

Bajo


Just an increase in Top HP number by higher rev's will not make it much quicker than the S6.

Honda Squeezes HP out of the S2000 by winding it out quite high, but that engine is just for that car...

A V10 with a higher rev limit over the S6 is just silly.

I don't think that is their plan.

More likely the V10 in the S6 is neutered like the V8 in the Audi A6 4.2 vs the A8 wit the same engine and the V10 for the N/A RS6 would be let loose...with wider power band, not just a tweeked High end RPM.

Mike

[SpinEcho]

More likely the V10 in the S6 is neutered like the V8 in the Audi A6 4.2

Mike

Love that 'neutered' comment. It perfectly captures what car companies are now doing, partly out of cost savings (shared platforms/engines) and partly out of fear of stepping out of their carefully contrived 'niche' for each model in the range. Take as an example, the Porsche Cayman - wouldn't want to let that engine realize its true potential - then the 911 might have its pants pulled down, and that would never do!

[buzz]

This is what a salesman from Audi told me:D
5.0 ltr TT 580 horses!! It could be horse s**t!!!

I wish this happens as I really don't want to go to BMW or Mercedes:addict: their service suck down here!!!!!:mech:

Buzz:cheers:

[m3fan]

German chip tuner SKN give the, Audi S8 483 hp / 575 Nm and the S6 468 hp / 575 Nm after a ECU software upgrade.

Hans.

Sounds good but how come the S6 can't get the same amount of power as the S8. There the same engine.

[Leadfoot]

This is what a salesman from Audi told me:D
5.0 ltr TT 580 horses!! It could be horse s**t!!!

I wish this happens as I really don't want to go to BMW or Mercedes:addict: their service suck down here!!!!!:mech:

Buzz:cheers:

I know it's all this Chinese whispers about what engine it will use and how much power it will produce, but just look at it based on the past model, it was if memory serves me £5K+ more than the last M5 and had 50hp extra to play with, so do the maths and that will put the new one at £67K:bigeyes: and possibly 550hp or more. I don't think we will price the price go much above that but their is a big possibly for this to increase to 580hp if they feel the market requires this amount to sale the product.

Hell if the rumors are to be believed the engine/transmission can easily cope with more.

[AndyBG]

I'm expecting 5.2 V10 N/A, what power, that is question.

I just don't see a posibility of turbo engine in this moment.

Everybody going N/A (MB, BMW...)

We will see...??? :confused:

[Benman]

If the next gen RS6 is a N/A motor, they can keep it.

Bajo

Not to worry Bajo... it will have twin "snails" just for you. You'll see. ;)

Ben:addict:

[chewym]

Detroit is coming up soon. Does anyone know if it will debut there?

[Iceman]

Detroit is coming up soon. Does anyone know if it will debut there?
It will not IMHO, after the first spyshots i will take at least 6 month's before a carshow introduction.
I think Geneva 2007 or IAA Frankfurt 2007 will be the place for introduction.

Hans.

[Leadfoot]

I would like to think by that stage we will all know what will be in the cae technology wise.

[SuperstarDriver]

I wanna say that a good friend of mine is sales manager on Audi Romania and he went to Ingolstadt for details about new models including RS6! He told me very seriously that the new RS6 it will have 580HP and a torque about 700Nm and the performance will be about 4-4,1s from 0-100km/h!The gearbox will not be a DSG 7 steps as i expected because it can't support so much power and will be a modified superfast Tiptronic with 6 steps and sequencial changing!It will be so fast that really could touch 0-100km/h in 3,8-3,9s because he told me that Audi is putting down performance numbers only for normal drivers,for high speed drivers the performance are way out from this world!This guy has an white RS4 and with a special electronic system bought from audi special for measuring the real performance of any sportscar he drove the RS4 from 0-100km/h in just 4,13s!!!!yes guys is it real...Supercar magazine reached this in 4,2s on their special track test with RS4...so RS6 will be a little bit of 5 passangers Veyron....no kidding...bmw will be angry for that kind of performance....i'll just wait the car....when will be shown on Geneva March 2007!!!see ya guys

[Kliko]

Hi guys,

I'm a new member here. I don't own a RS6 because I'm still a student, maybe I'll own one in the future.

The next question I'm asking myself all the time. I'm wondering if Audi or any people who works at Audi will follow such of forums and topics about the new RS6, because what I see her is that many of those people who gives a reply want to see turbo engine in the RS6. And for so far I know these people are lovers of the RS6 and can't wait to see/buy the new RS6.

I'm enjoying replys here from other users and I hope I will learn a lot moe about the new RS6.

I wish everyone nice Christmas and a happy new year already!!

[noushy]

Doubt if new RS6 at this years show. Audi showed the S6 and S8 last year, even though it had been seen already. My guess is geneva, but who knows. RS6 is still at least a year and a half to two years away from US. It took almost a year to get the S6 from its launch here, just like the RS6. BTW, I live in Detroit, and will be going to the show. If there is anything interesting, I will take pics for you guys.

Peace,
Noushy

[Benman]

It will not IMHO, after the first spyshots i will take at least 6 month's before a carshow introduction.
I think Geneva 2007 or IAA Frankfurt 2007 will be the place for introduction.

Hans.


I'd have to agree with that. Detroit is way too early for the RS 6 MkII debut.


SuperstarDriver & Kliko, welcome to the forum. :cheers: SuperstarDriver, yes, the 580hp, non DSG tranny is spot on with info we have heard. This will be the configuration.:0:

Ben:addict:

[bbigman2000]

I will be incredibly dissapointed if this car doesnt come with twin blowers attached.
I think really they have to, if it cant thrash an M5 it wont sell !!

[chewym]

Doubt if new RS6 at this years show. Audi showed the S6 and S8 last year, even though it had been seen already. My guess is geneva, but who knows. RS6 is still at least a year and a half to two years away from US. It took almost a year to get the S6 from its launch here, just like the RS6. BTW, I live in Detroit, and will be going to the show. If there is anything interesting, I will take pics for you guys.

Peace,
Noushy

I think that Audi will have a concept of some sort for Detroit. So far there has been nothing about Audi and Detroit as there will not be any production Audi debuts most likely. But a Q5 or an A4/5 concept is likely as they have the Roadjet Concept last year.

[noushy]

Ben, I have been hearing more around 550hp, but still twin turbo. Not sure about weight and special features though. M5 and E63 have been nudging the 100k mark, especially a well equipped M. I fear that the RS6 will either be axed because of price, or become 110k US. Not sure how much of a market they will capture with that car, and especially given how conservative audi of america is. They sell the S4 avant very well, why not offer the RS4 avant. That same mentality is what I fear.

Peace,
Noushy

[Iceman]

I think that Audi will have a concept of some sort for Detroit. So far there has been nothing about Audi and Detroit as there will not be any production Audi debuts most likely. But a Q5 or an A4/5 concept is likely as they have the Roadjet Concept last year.
Last years "Roadjet" was a A4/A5 concept car, thay will not show another concept in that catagory.
It will probably a Q5 or R4 or A1/2 concept.

Hans.

[Leadfoot]

I think that Audi will have a concept of some sort for Detroit. So far there has been nothing about Audi and Detroit as there will not be any production Audi debuts most likely. But a Q5 or an A4/5 concept is likely as they have the Roadjet Concept last year.

To the best of my knowledge Audi will be introducing a new production car at the Detriot show ........ the Audi TT-S, this might be pushed back but as yet I have not heard anything different, so we will just have to see.

[SuperstarDriver]

thank you all for your pleasent welcome!
By the way guys...all of the comments about the new RS6 are very true because this friend of mine works inside of Audi and he knows everybody including Winterkorn and the new chief of Audi A.G.!So yes...this will be the new RS6 without any doubts...trust me i'm not kidding...i live in RO in Europe and i am in love with audi since i was 4-5 years old when i get an special magazine about audi models!So the new RS6 will have about 1750kg, carbon fiber doors,a little eleron on the back of the car,the V10 from Gallardo like the S6 with twin-turbo chargers developing 580HP @ 7000rpm and aproximately 700NM @ 6800 rpm!This car will be the fastest 4 doors saloon in the world without tuning(like Brabus CLS Rocket that is not counting) 'cause belive me guys that MTM and ABT Tuning will give this car in the future more then 700HP!

[Leadfoot]

The performance figure being quote on these pages are truly amazing and if to be believed will easily destroy the competition. My only problem with these power and performance figure are where does this leave the S6, it can barely put away from a S4 and yet costs £55K, who in their right mind would even think of buying one when the RS6 will be unbelievable quicker and will cost £15K more.

But sub 4 seconds to 60mph and 580hp/700Nm don't sound like a car that will be £70K and competitive in price with the M5, never mind the CLS/E amg models, when you add in things like carbon fibre doors etc. though great for the handling and performance will be very expensive.

I hope I'm wrong but somehow I doubt it. When something sounds to good to be true it nearly always is.:rolleyes:

[Kliko]

But sub 4 seconds to 60mph and 580hp/700Nm don't sound like a car that will be £70K and competitive in price with the M5, never mind the CLS/E amg models, when you add in things like carbon fibre doors etc. though great for the handling and performance will be very expensive.

I hope I'm wrong but somehow I doubt it. When something sounds to good to be true it nearly always is.:rolleyes:[/quote]

I agree with you. How much will the Rs6 cost then when they use carbon fibre doors etc???Such things are expensive and I think we'll see that in the price of the RS6 then....But still I think it won't be so expensive like a AMG. AMG has a stupid price-list for what you get I think....

[gnomik007]

But still I think it won't be so expensive like a AMG. AMG has a stupid price-list for what you get I think....


Completely agree with you here.

[jonas21]

So the new RS6 will have about 1750kg, carbon fiber doors,a little eleron on the back of the car,the V10 from Gallardo like the S6 with twin-turbo chargers developing 580HP @ 7000rpm and aproximately 700NM @ 6800 rpm!This car will be the fastest 4 doors saloon in the world without tuning(like Brabus CLS Rocket that is not counting) 'cause belive me guys that MTM and ABT Tuning will give this car in the future more then 700HP!

That really sounds awesome and maybe too good to be true. The carbon doors are/will probably be an option(?)....maybe just too expensive.
So i guess we have to wait untill somewhat march 2007 to see what we'll get in detail.
I am thinking about visiting geneva auto show...but without confirmation that they really show the RS6 there i wont do it. I havent been able to get a confirmation from 3 of my audi dealers so i am somewhat puzzled. Anyone here from geneva who will visit the show anyway?

[Benman]

Ben, I have been hearing more around 550hp...


580... but anything is possible. ;)



new RS6 will have about 1750kg, carbon fiber doors

This is news to me! Haven't heard this one yet. Again, anything is possible, but if it really has carbonfiber doors it is well likely going to be way north of my price range! $120USD minimum... :bigeyes:

Ben:addict:

[jimmy94507]

Ben, I have been hearing more around 550hp, but still twin turbo. Not sure about weight and special features though. M5 and E63 have been nudging the 100k mark, especially a well equipped M. I fear that the RS6 will either be axed because of price, or become 110k US. Not sure how much of a market they will capture with that car, and especially given how conservative audi of america is. They sell the S4 avant very well, why not offer the RS4 avant. That same mentality is what I fear.

Peace,
Noushy

I believe AoA has a difficult time convincing Germany to DOT certify and sell RS Avant models in the US. Apparently, the US market Avant sales projections don't justify the costs of testing and the supporting logistics to bring these models into the country. Too bad; I'd be tempted.

Regards, Jimmy S.

[SuperstarDriver]

The debut of RS6 will be at the Geneva Motorshow in Germany in march and in europe it will be in stores on april or end of may!i'm very very sure of that, cause i just called my friend from audi ad told me that Geneva is the show where the new R6 will kick the ne M5 in his ugly supraviration ass:)))

[Leadfoot]

I believe AoA has a difficult time convincing Germany to DOT certify and sell RS Avant models in the US. Apparently, the US market Avant sales projections don't justify the costs of testing and the supporting logistics to bring these models into the country. Too bad; I'd be tempted.

Regards, Jimmy S.

I am at a lost as to why the RS Avant needs additional DOT certifying over the one already given to the S4 Avant. What is so different between the two cars that one will not cover both of them.

[noushy]

Again my friends, mostly speculation. The truth is that AoA is very conservative, and rarely wants to test the waters. They do no realize that americans will buy a 70k superwagon (err for lack of better name), especially since people are willing to spend 90k for a R63 (glorified minivan). A wagon, especially all wheel drive, that drives like a car, with that kind of performance will do very well. I see plenty of S4 avants here in Detroit. The problem is they think they cannot sell it, and thus do not even try. The first gen RS6 was to test the waters, and it did very well. I think if Audi had tried harder, things like more color and wheel options, better nav, they would have sold even more. They did not want to even try to recert it for 2004, making them basically a year old when they were sold. People purchased 2003 RS6 sedans in 2004. That is just crazy. Lets hope Audi does not do this blunder again.

Peace,
Noushy

[chewym]

Well. The exchange rate between Euro and dollar really hurts AOA from trying things out often. The certification costs hurt in that regard as well as new models cost money to bring over here. The R63 is a special order model (MB USA only expects 150 per year)

As the RS6 is concerned, 1750 kg IMO is out of reach as Audis are always a bit on the heavy side. But the new Audi S6 handles just as good/better than the M5 (per Car and Driver test [it did have failry poor acceleration]) So the RS6 should handle quite well even if it is a bit heavier. With 580 hp and some weight reduction (1850-1900 kg) it should have very sweet performance.

As for Detroit, I am sure that Audi will have something. Most likely a concept, probably something along the lines of a Q5 teaser. But this leaves the A5 for Geneva (Audi hasn't had any teaser site for the A5 yet).

[Lateknight]

thank you all for your pleasent welcome!
By the way guys...all of the comments about the new RS6 are very true because this friend of mine works inside of Audi and he knows everybody including Winterkorn and the new chief of Audi A.G.!So yes...this will be the new RS6 without any doubts...trust me i'm not kidding...i live in RO in Europe and i am in love with audi since i was 4-5 years old when i get an special magazine about audi models!So the new RS6 will have about 1750kg, carbon fiber doors,a little eleron on the back of the car,the V10 from Gallardo like the S6 with twin-turbo chargers developing 580HP @ 7000rpm and aproximately 700NM @ 6800 rpm!This car will be the fastest 4 doors saloon in the world without tuning(like Brabus CLS Rocket that is not counting) 'cause belive me guys that MTM and ABT Tuning will give this car in the future more then 700HP!

:vhmmm:

Dont mind if I take all of the above with a pinch of salt :noshake:

[El_cucaracha]

i wish that the new RS6 had Biturbo engine, and great acceleration.... oh it will be damn fast...

[SuperstarDriver]

it will be the fastest audi in the world (exception will made the new R8 wiith 500HP)...i just said that RS4 is pushing the limits of advanced audi sportscars and the RS6 will be a monster on wheels which will even beat M5 and M6 from BMW....i wanna say that i HATE RWD it's uncool, it's uneficient and burns tires on every hard acceleration...that's an uncool thing for me!Audi is like a middle size Lamborghini on the race track...truly dependent on time made on the speed circuit...that's a sportscar...not a stupid car which make attention by burning tires...it's a shittie think...and i think about those guys who are driving BMW's that they wanna show something that can't have...audi is way of this planet when they are building sportscars...nothing compares to an Audi S and RS!I really drive the new RS4 and that car really kicked me off...i made something thati never minded to do...take an extreme 60 degrees curve on 135miles/h...very incredible for me...a BMW could crash very easy doing that...Quattro is the best whatever BMW or Mercedes will say in the future...by the way Audi is importing Audi models 1 year after the debut in Europe because they wanna test the market before selling them in the US because americans is a big market and the pretentions on design are more different then the european people!we like smooth and sexy designs and you like hard and heavy design...i even can't imagine why Lamborghini is selling so well in the US...cause those cars are 100% Audi design and could not compare to any american sportscars design like Mustang for example...Walter de Silva is the biggest designer in the world for almost everybody cause he challenge everybody to do what he done with the Audi design of cars....nothing compares for example with the new R8 and the new TT...NOTHING!!!They look absolutely beautiful...and the new TT is the most beautiful car in the world(by AutoBild Germany and Autocar and Auto Motor und Sport)...so where is BMW?Where is BMW on Le Mans?BMW will never be more powerfull more beautiful and more sexy than an Audi!NEVER

[Iceman]

With turbo's you will get a totally differend behaving engine.
A wide band high torque smooth powerfull engine.

Hans.

[jonas21]

The debut of RS6 will be at the Geneva Motorshow in Germany in march and in europe it will be in stores on april or end of may!i'm very very sure of that, cause i just called my friend from audi ad told me that Geneva is the show where the new R6 will kick the ne M5 in his ugly supraviration ass:)))

Please note that geneva is not in germany. Its in switzerland (warning: insane speed limits and ridiculous high speeding fees!)

[SuperstarDriver]

yes my mistake ...Geneva is in Switzerland...sorry guys...and yes...the new RS5 will be A TWIN TURBO V10 like you know...i'm very very sure of that!

[SuperstarDriver]

another mistake...i said RS5...sorry again...RS6 is the care i was spoking about!

[Damienr8]

yes my mistake ...Geneva is in Switzerland...sorry guys...and yes...the new RS5 will be A TWIN TURBO V10 like you know...i'm very very sure of that!

I am thinking it will be a naturally aspirated 5.2L V10 with 520-550 horses under the hood. To me, I dont think a TT V10 is plausible because of the size of the A6 engine bay and the fact that it will put more weight up front. I also expect the RS6 to have an aluminum hood and front fenders.

- Happy Holidays
Damien

[Iceman]

another mistake...i said RS5...sorry again...RS6 is the care i was spoking about!
The RS5 Coupe' will also have a 5.2L V10 FSI under the bonnet. :D

Hans.

[Iceman]

[http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/20_45484a9d0d62f.jpg
http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/21_45484a9d12064.jpg
http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/30_45484a9d1532f.jpg
http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/40_45484a9d17652.jpg
http://news.auto.cz/img/galleries/41_45484a9d23439.jpg

Hans.

[gnomik007]

I cant' wait for the official pics :addict:

[Leadfoot]

Guys,

The second picture of this test mule shows something that looks like an intercooler for a turbo, just below the front bumper. Is it just me or does anyone else think the same.

[Iceman]

Guys,

The second picture of this test mule shows something that looks like an intercooler for a turbo, just below the front bumper. Is it just me or does anyone else think the same.
No sorry, no intercooler mate.
Take a closer look @ page 3.

Hans.

[James Wyatt]

Spoke to a contact at Audi and he has been informed the new RS6 will be normally aspirated as the engine bay is too small to fit turbos. Only time will tell.:addict:
Happy 2007

[SuperstarDriver]

it could be like that or not, yes time will solve that!even if the new RS6 will have a biturbo engine or a normal aspirated it will be lighting fast...nothing will compare with it in his class i assure you all!if will have a normal aspirated engine developed from hte V10 from Gallardo like S6 it will have bigger rpm for example 8000-8400 like Gallardo or with bi-turbo more torque at low rpm...but let think about the RS4 which is a very very fast car...8250rpm normal aspirated and 90% of the torque from 1800rpm...so Audi can do anything...i mean ANYTHING...for me the new RS6 will be an enigma because i know by now that i will be trully inlove by that car like the old RS6!I just wait to see,hear and feel the new RS6...maybe i will buy it...who knows...

[SuperstarDriver]

Happy New Audi 2007 To All!

[audi713]

carbon fibre doors etc....twin turbo non turbo....how many they gonna send to the states 1000? Im sure they can sell at least 1000 of them....its gonna be a fast....make it 120k either way it gonna be limited. Cars like theses make the rest of the lineup under it more desirable....sorry for the bad typing im at work tryin to type fast lol

[chewym]

Without turbos the RS6 won't top the competition.

[absent]

Without turbos the RS6 won't top the competition.

True, no way they can get enough torque and power to make it superior to competition without the turbos.

[noushy]

Those pictures have been floating around for a while, was told they were an MTM mule. The exhaust does look like an RS car, but who knows. As for turbos, they built a TTv10, the question is what they will do. And no, if normally aspirated, very hard to get more than 500hp from that engine. Look at the gallardo, and remember that is a 200k vehicle.

Peace,
Noushy

[Pit]

Without turbos or kompressor the V10 has any chance again M6/M5/AMG.
Because of the weight, the awd, the gearbox and so on. . . .

So i hope . . . the german "weihnachtsmann" will spend them a TT engine .

Pit.

[paulhiggs]

So, from what I try to read on seven pages above, the new RS6 will just be a tuned up (approx 520bhp) version of the current S6.
That doesn't sound like the kind of thing that quattro gmbh would want to put its name to..

[3abdo]

go like a 5/6 years ago, if you wanted supercharging, you turn to MB, normaly aspirated high reving engines, you turn to BMW, and for turbocharging you turn to audi, now Mb is taking the BMW design and engine route (ugly design i mean), audi sticked to giving us beautifuly crafted interiours wraped with a good looking exteriour. Now turbocharging for audi is like looks for Lambo, so giving up the turbochargers, audi wouldn't feel as special as it should be, it will loose its charisma.

[Leadfoot]

Why does anyone think that the new RS6 will not be turboed, the only non-turboed RS model has been the current RS4 and I believe it was done this way not only to show the world that it like BMW had to know-how to produce a world class N/A engine plus the fact that adding turbos would have put to much weight over the front end killing the handling.

The next RS5/4 will been on the new improved chassis and it will be business as usual, in other words back to the trusty turbos. The RS6 will be turboed no doubt about it, to go down the N/A route will not provide the performance needed to achieve the results required to better the M5, something that the previous RS6 enjoyed and the next one will too.

[SuperstarDriver]

I spoked with my friend from Audi and he said that at the training session in Germany he was told that the new RS6 will have biturbo because the V10 from Gallardon couldn't have more power normal aspirated to reach the 550HP like they intended to do so they will put twin-turbos developing AT LEAST 560HP and a SURPRIZE (exactly like that he told me) will be @ 580HP and the torque of a space-shuttle because if the turbo's!I heard from him that the engine will not have LAG because of the turbo's working only on high speeds because one turbocharger will be for a half of cillinders and the other turbo for rest of the cillinders. The doors could be made from carbon fiber and the engine shelter likewise, a bigger eleron build in the hood trunck will push the back of the car like is supossed to be pushed!So expect performance beyond any imaginations!And if you wanna know what kind of power will have the new RS4 from 2009 i assure you that will put a turbocharger at the present V8 pushing it to the 480HP (the new C63 will have 450HP but RWD so even with it it couldn't beat on the racetrack the RS4 from the present)!HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!

[Iceman]

Audi will use no turbo's for a 30 hp power increase.
If audi planning to use turbo's it will be for at least 70-100 hp.
That mean for the new RS6 not less than 520 hp.
And for the next generation RS4 not less than 490 hp.
If Audi start using turbo's again on bigger engine's.

Hans.

[Leadfoot]

A lot of RS owners though they all rate the RS4 the best RS model to date also dislike the fact that there is little routes open when it comes to tuning the car. The reason is not to gain an extra 30hp over what a N/A version of the engine could produce, it is to produce less stress on the engine (less state of tune) and to give more possibilities for increasing the power (RS6+ version). :brag: Anyway it's not a 30hp increase but a possible 115hp increase if the RS6 produces 550hp, remember the S6 what the RS6 will be based has 435hp.

Just think what the RS4 would have been like if it had of been turboed with 420hp but this time was 400ft/lbs of torque, no way would the M3 be able to live with that amount of power.:hihi:

[Iceman]

Anyway it's not a 30hp increase but a possible 115hp increase if the RS6 produces 550hp, remember the S6 what the RS6 will be based has 435hp.
Yes but the same engine in the S8 have 450 hp.
And after a chip upgrade 483 hp.

Hans.

[Leadfoot]

Yes but the same engine in the S8 have 450 hp.
And after a chip upgrade 483 hp.

Hans.

I understand that Hans, in the S8 the same engine produces 450hp, in the Gallardo 520hp, the point I was making is the RS6 is based on the S6 not the S8 or the Gallardo and as such if it produces 550hp it will have a 115hp increase.

The other point I was making is that to increase power in a N/A especially one that is in such a high state of tune like the RS4 is extremely expensive to do and makes the engine less reliable.

Also the chip that produces a 7% increase in the S8 will possibly produce a 20% increase if the car was turboed and for no extra cost. If both car's had 450hp standard that would equal a difference of 67hp and that's no even talking about what it would do the the torque. For me personally there is no substitute for turbos. And with new turbo technology like the ones in the 997TT the turbo effect (lag) is becoming less and less making the difference in the way the two engines perform also less of a problem from a handling point of view.

[Cale24]

I think the RS4 motor, when it was developed, sacrificed possibly more top end power in favour of that flat torque curve over a wide rpm range. 100bhp/ is still good though. As for the RS6, the idea of a biturbo V10 just sounds kind of crazy to me, but it seems thats what it will get. The dawn of near-600 bhp saloons has come. Madness!:hihi: Makes me wonder what the next M5 will get- a bored out V10? I dont see BMW going the biturbo V10 route.

[noushy]

Well also remember folks, who would have figured BMW to do a twin turbo 3 series, and keep the prices down as well. Much cheaper to turbo than to heavily tune the motor to make 300hp. That way, leaves a lot of room for the new M3.

Peace,
Noushy

[SuperstarDriver]

the new M3 will never be faster then the actual RS4 because of the technology used on the RS4 is way out from this world!Did anyone see how looks DRC in the trunk?I saw...they are 3 balls different sizes which perform a highly rotation besides the sporty suspension to not let the car to be instable in the big curves...so BMW sucks...because will never ever beat the RS4 with RWD....NEVER!And the other think i wanna say that the new RS6 will have twin turbo's for sure developing at least 560HP(not 550Hp) and the big surprize the 580HP...so i'm not kidding when i say that Audi is one step ahead to MB and BMW!An the other thing i need to say that i have a friend who has bought the new RS4 and he putted a mechanical compressor to it developing right now 580HP and 0-60m/h in 3,8s...and the engine DIDN'T SUFFER ANY DAMAGE because of the gallaries improvement and the pistons!So Audi is building the fastest sedan in the world on racetrack even the new RS6 is not yet released!Do not mess with Audi...i beat the crap of two M5's in the RS4 with my friend in Bucharest who has the car...so where is the advantages of the 87HP from BMW?Where is?NOWHERE...and the other think i wanna say is what u see on youtobe.com about the performance between the M5 and the RS4 is CRAP!The driver from RS4 do not know how to drive that car at maximum capacity because the RS4 is extremely fast 0-60m/h and is doing that in 4,13s not in 4,8 like in the magazines...I SAW WITH MY EYES DOING THAT WITH A SPECIAL MACHINE wich measure EXACTLY THE TIME THE CAR IS DOING 0-60 acceleration!BMW sucks...ugly design,extreme supraviration and extreme instability in the curves...against the S and RS cars from Audi!Look at the time made the RS4 on Nurbugring and then look at the time made by M5...2seconds faster is the RS4!

[3abdo]

BMW sucks...ugly design,extreme supraviration and extreme instability in the curves

i beat the crap of two M5's in the RS4 with my friend in Bucharest who has the car
I have to disagree with you, bmw makes great cars (exept m6 and styling of course) they are known for building driver's cars.
as for ur friend's rs4, u can't compare it with a stock m5, an m5 with the same compressor will absolutly fly...

[diesel king]

Does this forum support polls? I would love to see how the numbers of people with inside information will line up on the turbo versus N/A question.

[absent]

the new M3 will never be faster then the actual RS4 because of the technology used on the RS4 is way out from this world!Did anyone see how looks DRC in the trunk?I saw...they are 3 balls different sizes which perform a highly rotation besides the sporty suspension to not let the car to be instable in the big curves...so BMW sucks...because will never ever beat the RS4 with RWD....NEVER!And the other think i wanna say that the new RS6 will have twin turbo's for sure developing at least 560HP(not 550Hp) and the big surprize the 580HP...so i'm not kidding when i say that Audi is one step ahead to MB and BMW!An the other thing i need to say that i have a friend who has bought the new RS4 and he putted a mechanical compressor to it developing right now 580HP and 0-60m/h in 3,8s...and the engine DIDN'T SUFFER ANY DAMAGE because of the gallaries improvement and the pistons!So Audi is building the fastest sedan in the world on racetrack even the new RS6 is not yet released!Do not mess with Audi...i beat the crap of two M5's in the RS4 with my friend in Bucharest who has the car...so where is the advantages of the 87HP from BMW?Where is?NOWHERE...and the other think i wanna say is what u see on youtobe.com about the performance between the M5 and the RS4 is CRAP!The driver from RS4 do not know how to drive that car at maximum capacity because the RS4 is extremely fast 0-60m/h and is doing that in 4,13s not in 4,8 like in the magazines...I SAW WITH MY EYES DOING THAT WITH A SPECIAL MACHINE wich measure EXACTLY THE TIME THE CAR IS DOING 0-60 acceleration!BMW sucks...ugly design,extreme supraviration and extreme instability in the curves...against the S and RS cars from Audi!Look at the time made the RS4 on Nurbugring and then look at the time made by M5...2seconds faster is the RS4!

Sorry but I'm beginning to have a headache....:brag:

[3abdo]

Sorry but I'm beginning to have a headache....
+1, totaly agree

[Leadfoot]

There is some our statements that ring true but not all. Sorry SuperstarDriver, but you need to hold back on your enthusiasm or maybe it's the language difference. I know your heart's in the right place but as you can see there is a lot of well informed guys on this forum who feel you at talking nonsense.

[jonas21]

Does this forum support polls? I would love to see how the numbers of people with inside information will line up on the turbo versus N/A question.


Yes it does. Here you go:
http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10825

[noushy]

Leadfoot, I agree. I think that you, Ben, etc. really give us good info. I think adding your own opinion is fine, but making broad generalizations is a little out there. The new M3 is going to be light, BMW is using the CF roof, hood supposedly. They may release it as the CSL, but that will help them against the RS4. Imagine 400hp, and 3500-3700lbs. The RS4 is well over 4000, and that is a huge blow in the handling. Also BMW traditionally builds RWD cars, and they seem to have a lock on the handling department.

Peace,
Noushy

[jonas21]

The RS4 is well over 4000, and that is a huge blow in the handling. Also BMW traditionally builds RWD cars, and they seem to have a lock on the handling department.

Peace,
Noushy

Not really. Saloon is at 3637 lbs (1650kg), Avant at 3769 lbs (1710kg) and convertible at 4067 (1845kg).

[noushy]

Humm, not trying to be a stickler, but sources say much more weight. Audi RS4 sedan, 3957lbs, much closer to my 4000.

http://autos.yahoo.com/audi_rs4_sedan-specs/?p=ext

I am sure Leadfoot can offer some clear information, either way RS4 is heavy for a 4 door sports sedan, ideally if it could lose 200-400lbs, would be a killer machine. I love it anyways, just wish they would be a little lighter.

Peace,
Noushy

[jonas21]

Hmm then Audi must have put in some additional kg's for the US market.
Euro specs say something else:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS4

[Leadfoot]

Euro Spec RS4 in standard form are meant to be 1650Kgs, it is unsure if this figure includes driver, half a tank of fuel and some luggage. If memory serves me right Autocar figured one to 1720Kgs but this one did have some extras, best guess is to pick something in between this say 1685Kgs. US spec car come standard with electric seats which will add at least 20Kgs to start with, also do they run a beefed up air-con system, if so there maybe a few extra Kgs there too.

Don't call me a dick, but US and Imperial Gallons are different, is it possible with weight as well.:vhmmm:

Either way the new M3 will have to be something special to beat the RS4 especially on the road where it really counts.

[James Wyatt]

Rather than than a turbocharger would it be possible for them to use a supercharger?

:addict:

[chewym]

The RS4 is heavy and around 4,000 pounds but its handling has been praised on many occasions, of course if it was lighter it would have been even better.

[LU-RS6]

Luxury weighs, that's the problem. If you're looking for a light powerful car you should buy a Lotus Exige for example. The RS4 is a whole different matter. The Exige nails it really hard, but don't expect any luxury. Which is why the RS4 rocks, you have the full package: speed + luxury.

[noushy]

Listen, I love the RS cars, so let this set the record straight. I just wish that Audi could find a way to incorporate all of their goodness with a little less poundage... The RS4 handles amazingly well, many reviewers wrote that the car almost defies physics in the location of the engine and its weight. Now the M3 will be a strong contender in the performance and handling department. Certainly trickier to drive in the rain and poor road conditions, and requiring more skill to drive fast. It is just that 4000lbs or 3900lbs takes the edge of an otherwise amazing 4.2 liter V8. Imagine an RS4 ultralight at say 200-300 lbs less. The other thing is that Audi needs to figure out a way to set the engine further back, maybe moving the transmission, to bring the polar moment of the car more towards the middle, instead of hanging all of its weight in front of the front axle. But for day to day driving, I loved my Audis, and cannot wait for a new one.

Peace,
Noushy

[Leadfoot]

noushy,

All you are saying would make an amazing track day car, but on the open road the added security that mild understeer gives is more important than full on oversteer. I know the latter is the more entertaining but the former is believe it or not the quick on the road.

Lets hope the new A5 will reduce this to the bare minium while keeping the extra safety that Audis have always had.

[Hy Octane]

As long as Audi uses quattro in its high end cars, they will be heavy..at least until they perfect the carbon fiber or titanium gearboxes and differentials etc where the weight is now..

[S6Komp]

The debut of RS6 will be at the Geneva Motorshow in Germany in march and in europe it will be in stores on april or end of may!i'm very very sure of that, cause i just called my friend from audi ad told me that Geneva is the show where the new R6 will kick the ne M5 in his ugly supraviration ass:)))

Geneva ist in SWITZERLAND and not in germany!:rs6kiss:

[noushy]

I am not trying to tell Audi to build a track car, rather to drop some weight, and move the weight distribution towards the middle of the car. By losing weight, the performance increases, the fuel economy increases, and everybody wins. If the S6 was say 200-300lbs lighter, it would be extremely competitive against more powerful cars like the E63 and the M5. Especially with the advantage of quattro, and the ability to use all of its power.

Peace,
Noushy

[Leadfoot]

noushy,

You know as well as I do that to drop 300lbs (145Kgs) in weight requires specialised materials like carbon. The whole body made from alloy would do it but that would require new manufacturing processes and that isn't going to happen with the current model or even the next. They could lose some of the luxuries but that would place it at a disadvantage with the competition. Next way it could be achieved is to fit carbon fibre bonnet, wings and front nose plus roof like what BMW did with the M6 but that put the price of it up £20K over the M5, so that out as well.

So reducing the weight of the car by 300lbs is out, the only option is to increase the power to achieve the results and make the engines more efficient.

And you already know my opinion on the handling.

[Benman]

noushy,

The whole body made from alloy would do it but that would require new manufacturing processes and that isn't going to happen with the current model or even the next....

Well, if they could do it with the new TT and keep the price relatively the same as the MkI, they should be able to do it with the next gen A6. That way,the next S6/RS 6 will have a much better starting point. :thumb:

Ben:addict:

[noushy]

Agreed Ben, Leadfoot they might not be able to drop that much, but certainly can drop say 100lbs to 150lbs. Even Chevy did it with the Z06 vette, and gave it 100more hp for 20k. The RS6 is easily going to cost 20k more than the S6, so I expect it to have more power. Now they could do some more aluminum/CF parts, and eventually Audi is going to have to increase the aluminum content in the frame. The new TT is something like 65% aluminum components in the frame, that is how they did it. The A8 is 100% so make the A6/S6/RS6 65% or more.

Peace,
Noushy

[SuperstarDriver]

i believe in audi more than any other car makers like MB and & BMW because they never ever will have the complexity, technology, inovation, pureness and control like and Audi Quattro...i like speeds IN CONTROL...i like to feel the curves at 160m/h and feel the road like a am one with him...bmw never could make u feel in control with RWD...even with their xDrive likewise (cause they have 100/0 diferrential before the tires are enter in the derapations)....take another example...why the RS4 don't balance in the extreme corners?because of the special Quattro and DRC, why Clarkson said that about the S4 (the control is absolutely SUBLIME, no tricky steering, no incontrol, nothing, pure speed)...bmw's M power sucks vs Quattro Sportsteam...BMW sells are lower then the Audi in the world...and THE M5 it NEVER COULD BEAT THE RS4 on a racetrack...look at the Nurbugring times of both cars...RS4 faster by 2sec and a half then the M5(who has 87HP more)...!!!!

[Benman]

Even Chevy did it with the Z06 vette, and gave it 100more hp for 20k. The RS6 is easily going to cost 20k more ...

Peace,
Noushy

You know, I didn't even think of that example! Even "lowly" Chevy could drop 100 some lbs out of an already light car and gave it more power, refinement, etc. for $20K! If Audi can't, then they are hardly "Vorsprung durch Technic" and are indeed, "Resting on their Laurels". Come on Audi, lead!


:cheers:
Ben:addict:

[Damienr8]

You know, I didn't even think of that example! Even "lowly" Chevy could drop 100 some lbs out of an already light car and gave it more power, refinement, etc. for $20K! If Audi can't, then they are hardly "Vorsprung durch Technic" and are indeed, "Resting on their Laurels". Come on Audi, lead!


:cheers:
Ben:addict:

Audi definitely needs to drop some pounds on all models. This can be accomplished with a revised platform struction, suspension components, a new/lighter quattro system (maybe the nex gen quattro), etc.

I would love to see the A4 Quattro drop 150 lbs

[SuperstarDriver]

audi has demonstrated that is the leader of the premium sport car makers when they inovate on every single model they present to the market!for example first and ONLY sunroof with voltaic cells to ventilate the interior without using the battery of the car, the first comercial car in the world with LED technology:AUDI R8 (i think i never saw lights like in the R8 in my whole life...i am speechless), first DRC in the world, Magneride on premium cars, extreme sport steering flat on the bottom of it like in the Formula 1 cars(RS4,S3,TT,R8), DSG (first gearbox with double shifted system that don't loose any torque and power when shifting) and many many more that BMW and MB didn't dream at it or it will develop systems very closer by Audi Technology!Vorsprung durch Technic...

[Damienr8]

audi has demonstrated that is the leader of the premium sport car makers when they inovate on every single model they present to the market!for example first and ONLY sunroof with voltaic cells to ventilate the interior without using the battery of the car, the first comercial car in the world with LED technology:AUDI R8 (i think i never saw lights like in the R8 in my whole life...i am speechless), first DRC in the world, Magneride on premium cars, extreme sport steering flat on the bottom of it like in the Formula 1 cars(RS4,S3,TT,R8), DSG (first gearbox with double shifted system that don't loose any torque and power when shifting) and many many more that BMW and MB didn't dream at it or it will develop systems very closer by Audi Technology!Vorsprung durch Technic...

Superstar you sould be the forum spokesperson for Audi :hihi: :cheers:

[Leadfoot]

You know, I didn't even think of that example! Even "lowly" Chevy could drop 100 some lbs out of an already light car and gave it more power, refinement, etc. for $20K! If Audi can't, then they are hardly "Vorsprung durch Technic" and are indeed, "Resting on their Laurels". Come on Audi, lead!


:cheers:
Ben:addict:

You are choosing your examples from low volume models. The TT, A8 and Vette Z06 are all specialised models, this is easier the achieve when you are working with low volume cars. To achieve this with high volume motors requires a total rethink, even Jag decided to not to go down this route with the S-Type even though the basic structure was there from the XJ and it all came down to costs. On the A8, TT and R8 this models command a premium over their lesser brother, the TT is £4K more than the similar A3, the A8 is £15K+ over the A6 though both are roughly the same size and the R8 is based on the Gallardo. Even Porsche don't use alloy body/chassis on their models.

For Audi to choose alloy on it's next A6 would require an increase of at least £4~5K increase per model, now this may be acceptable for the S6 and RS6 it would destroy the sale of the basic A6s.

You guys have to stop thinking about the top model and think about the bigger picture. It easier and cheaper the increase the power and re-engineer the top models with minor weight reductions than a total weight reduction of the complete range.

[Damienr8]

You are choosing your examples from low volume models. The TT, A8 and Vette Z06 are all specialised models, this is easier the achieve when you are working with low volume cars. To achieve this with high volume motors requires a total rethink, even Jag decided to not to go down this route with the S-Type even though the basic structure was there from the XJ and it all came down to costs. On the A8, TT and R8 this models command a premium over their lesser brother, the TT is £4K more than the similar A3, the A8 is £15K+ over the A6 though both are roughly the same size and the R8 is based on the Gallardo. Even Porsche don't use alloy body/chassis on their models.

For Audi to choose alloy on it's next A6 would require an increase of at least £4~5K increase per model, now this may be acceptable for the S6 and RS6 it would destroy the sale of the basic A6s.

You guys have to stop thinking about the top model and think about the bigger picture. It easier and cheaper the increase the power and re-engineer the top models with minor weight reductions than a total weight reduction of the complete range.


Agree. If audi adds the premium for weight reduction onto models like the S8, RS6, etc. then thats fine. For instance, creating an All new Aluminum body for the A4 sedan would result in a nominally large base price increase. This would affect competition with say the 3 series, is, etc.

[SuperstarDriver]

you know you have right?but...ASF is a symbol of Audi and will grow with the next platform that it will be used for the new A4,A5,A6 and A8 so all the new cars from Audi will definetively have aluminium on their construction...look at the TT...so perfect in shassy...ASF will groth in Audi range for sure...that i heard from a post of Winterkorn at audiworld.com!so ASF, Quattro, single-frame,flat steering design are a symbol of Audi...nobody could copy that...

[Damienr8]

you know you have right?but...ASF is a symbol of Audi and will grow with the next platform that it will be used for the new A4,A5,A6 and A8 so all the new cars from Audi will definetively have aluminium on their construction...look at the TT...so perfect in shassy...ASF will groth in Audi range for sure...that i heard from a post of Winterkorn at audiworld.com!so ASF, Quattro, single-frame,flat steering design are a symbol of Audi...nobody could copy that...

Thats good to know. It would be awesome to see the A4 use a 65% (correct me if im wrong) aluminum frame structure as the new TT does without a price change. That would rock!!! I can only wish for the A4 to be 150lbs lighter.

[Benman]

You are choosing your examples from low volume models. The TT, A8 and Vette Z06 are all specialised models, this is easier the achieve when you are working with low volume cars...

Actually...

The Z06 production run is @ 5,000 cars a year for the US alone. That may not sound like much, but that is 5 times the RS 6 run here (and really, it's 15 times the RS 6 run considering the Z06 will endure for 3 years minimum) so my point is the Z06 is not that low of a production run (yes, compared to the worldwide A6 run, maybe). And the TT is hardly a small production vehicle as tens of thousands sell here every year (nearly as many units as A3s).


For Audi to choose alloy on it's next A6 would require an increase of at least £4~5K increase per model, now this may be acceptable for the S6 and RS6 it would destroy the sale of the basic A6s.

You guys have to stop thinking about the top model and think about the bigger picture. It easier and cheaper the increase the power and re-engineer the top models with minor weight reductions than a total weight reduction of the complete range.



No, it would not, this is really a matter of simple economics (my kinda field ;)). If the TT sells far less units than the A6 (which, although it sells close to the number of A3s here, it does not sell near the # of units that the A4s and A6s sell here) and can sell for $4K (8K USD) over the A3, why on Earth would the A6 (a much higher unit) need to charge a $4k (8K USD) premium? And consider too that the part of the TT's "premium" is for the total redesign over a A3 (total interior, exterior, safety "fees", etc...). My point? Again, the cost of an A6 designed from the beginning as including a high aluminum content could far better amortize the development cost than a "low volume" TT ever could.

If the development cost of such a project (additional aluminum only) was, for example, $150,000,000.00 (USD :D) then to amortize that on a vehicle such as the TT, to come to the $4K ($8K USD) premium is only a projected 18,750units. Not very difficult for worldwide distribution. Now, lets say that Audi GmbH decided to give us a TT like Alu-front, steel rear and said project would actually be less (again, not a complete redesign like the TT/A3, but a design from the beginning) than the exampled development cost would be projected more like $110,000,000.00 (USD:D). Now, I'm thinking they could charge merely $1500.00 (USD) premium over last years "old tech" A6. For those figures to add up, Audi would need to sell 73,333.xx A6s. Not very difficult considering the A6 (C5) had a run (in the US) from 98'-03'! And that is just in the US! So how hard would it be for Audi to recoupe their costs over 5+ years worldwide on A6s if it designed that aspect of the Alu-front/steel rear from the beginning? Not very hard, not very hard at all. :cheers:

Ben :addict:

[Leadfoot]

Ben,

:bow: By the looks of it, you have it all worked out. All we need is to find the money for a take-over bid and with you as the head we will make VAG the biggest, most profitable car company in the world.:D

[SuperstarDriver]

it is the most profitable or it will be until 2015 according to Forbes Magazine...and another thing...Forbes said that Audi (just Audi not PAG, VAG it doesn't exist from 1.01.2007) will be NO.1 BEST PREMIUM CAR MAKERS IN THE WORLD...at this point Audi is no 2 after MB and 3 place is BMW...so Audi will beat MB soon..very soon...on materials used to build their cars are way better than BMW and MB, on sporty cars the same but on sales are liitle bit lower then MB but if you all know Audi sales are growing fast every month so...AUDI WILL BEAT AGAIN THE CRAP OF BMW AND MB!I just wait...

[audi713]

noushy

The RS4 is well over 4000, and that is a huge blow in the handling.

Have u driven the rs4?

[noushy]

Yes, I have driven the RS4 for a very brief amount of time. I love the car, but just too small for me. I am more curious how it will compare with the new M3 as far as handling.

Peace,
Noushy

[Leadfoot]

Yes, I have driven the RS4 for a very brief amount of time. I love the car, but just too small for me. I am more curious how it will compare with the new M3 as far as handling.

Peace,
Noushy

That's the 64,000 dollar question now isn't it.

I think we will be back to the old argument between the two, the M3 being the more entertaining on the track and the RS4 the competent and confidence inspiring on the road.

A bit like milkshake, strawberry or chocolate. What's your favourite?

[Lateknight]

it is the most profitable or it will be until 2015 according to Forbes Magazine...and another thing...Forbes said that Audi (just Audi not PAG, VAG it doesn't exist from 1.01.2007) will be NO.1 BEST PREMIUM CAR MAKERS IN THE WORLD..

PAG :confused:

PAG = Premier Auto Group - FORD premium brand sector (Jag/Volvo/Aston) - Nothing to do with Volkswagen or Audi

[SuperstarDriver]

PAG=PORSCHE AUDI GROUP!RS4 it will handwell much better then the new M3...the DRC System works very very precise and i was amazed what you can do with that car!M3 is a shittie RWD car...the only car makers in the world who actually know how to made a quite efficient and sport RWD system are Porsche,Ferrari,Aston Martin and MB...that's it!

[Lateknight]

Why - If your not sure of anything - do you make shit up ?

PAG that you mean, actually stands for Porsche AG (Porsche AktienGesellschaft)

AktienGesellschaft = referring to a stock holding company (not Audi Group:doh: )

See also: Siemens AG, Deutche Bank AG and most others on the German stock exchanges.

[Lateknight]

PAG=PORSCHE AUDI GROUP!RS4 it will handwell much better then the new M3...the DRC System works very very precise and i was amazed what you can do with that car!M3 is a shittie RWD car...the only car makers in the world who actually know how to made a quite efficient and sport RWD system are Porsche,Ferrari,Aston Martin and MB...that's it!

err.... ever heard of LOTUS ??

They make more money now out of consultancy (sorting out handling on other manufacters cars) than they do with their own cars.

[noushy]

In superstar's defense (difficult to btw), Porsche does have a 20% ownership in VAG, but I do not know of the group having a new name. I think he is just a little over enthusiastic, and I would try to keep the flaming down a bit. Superstar, it is great to love a certain brand or model (ie Audi or RS4), but be careful about bold statements that are difficult if impossible to prove (like M3 vs. RS4, since M3 is not even available yet). On the forums we try to be objective. It is okay to give your opinion, but make sure you state it that way.

Peace,
Noushy

[skiwi]

porsche now own 27.7% of vwag, with the ok to take the holding to 29.9%( the limit before a full takeover is compulsory).

porsche "consultants" are already arranging tours of vwag factories to advise on productivity and other improvements. they are thought to be relaying the lessons learned by porsche from toyota in the '80's...

[Leadfoot]

PAG=PORSCHE AUDI GROUP!RS4 it will handwell much better then the new M3...the DRC System works very very precise and i was amazed what you can do with that car!M3 is a shittie RWD car...the only car makers in the world who actually know how to made a quite efficient and sport RWD system are Porsche,Ferrari,Aston Martin and MB...that's it!

How could you put Merc ahead of BMW for making the best rwd cars.:trash: I mightn't like BMW cars but I can't deny that they make one of the best rwd cars in the world, especially the CSL which is quite possibly one of the top ten rwd cars of all time. Not something that can be said about any Merc including the SLR.

You either like rwd or you don't, me I like it on the track when it can be used to the full and enjoyed but show it some rain or snow and then it 50/50 weight balance is a total nightmare.

[Lateknight]

In superstar's defense (difficult to btw), Porsche does have a 20% ownership in VAG, but I do not know of the group having a new name. I think he is just a little over enthusiastic, and I would try to keep the flaming down a bit.
Peace,
Noushy

I offer my apologies to superstar.
After re-reading my own post, It does come across as a bit harsh. To cause offence was certainly not my intention. :nono:

[noushy]

I knew porsche owned more now, initially they purchased 20% and then started buying more. The problem is now if they purchase any more they have to make a takeover document (something to do with german law). As for the flaming, peace to you knight, I think we all want to chime in and also contribute. I still write on this forum because I consider most of you guys friends, and we have a lot of common interests. Some of the guys really pitch in a lot (ben, leadfoot, aronis, etc.) and they are the leaders of our forums. The rest of us mostly read with enthusiasm, and voice our personal experiences.

Peace,
Noushy

[Leadfoot]

noushy,

Thanks mate, I hope my gibberish keep you all entertained.

See I can still appreciate a well engineered product. One things for sure, the arrival of the A5 and M3 will keep the debates on this forum going for the next 5 years.

That's if you're still up to it Erik.

[SuperstarDriver]

i have a question for you all...what is the best and most advanced sport traction?!is it quattor or RWD?i know the answer but you know?i wait for your answers...
AUDI A.G. another brand that i know it but the information about the new brand PAG(PORSCHE AUDI GROUP) is from the chief manager of Porsche Bucuresti Vest (Romania)...who told me (before i finish the statment about the new name of the family PAG as i heard from) he told me that NOW for SURE ...the new brand name is called...PORSCHE AUDI GROUP (and AUDI and PORSCHE will colaborate very soon at many many cars)...and he was telling me that the information about the changing name of the whole brand of family was the idea of Porsche and VW when the payment was done!I'm not kidding...and by the way...yes i have a big passion for Audi and i'm DEEPLY AGAINST ALL BMW cars...ALL OF THEM...i drove some of them and i was desgusted how they look and drive at the limit...and believe me guys i know that i can handle very well an RWD car but those car are the type of car that are made ONLY FOR SHOW OFF...scartttttt non stoply...i hate that...BMW's are for stupid people who actually wanna impressed the other part of stupid people(including girls) who can't afford an BMW...sorry for my statement if one of my words hurt someone's feeling...but my point is the truth we all see...and the engines...oh my GOD the engines...rubish...did anyone heard how sounds a BMW M5 and M6 at low rpm when the car is not moving?Clarkson explained...brrrrrrr...like a little TDI engine...yacccc....and BMW sound of the engines are upp like a medium tone not down like a BIG BASS for our ears like an Audi S/RS or other petrol engine made by Audi...their sound are great...full of angryness, power...R8 sounds LIKE NO OTHER CAR ON THIS PLANET(Clarkson said about it last weeks)...it even sounds better than Lamborghini Murcielago LP640(who has a sound like an airplane takeoff:)...yes it does...no hard feeling but Audi really really knows to built the highest performance sporstcars...

[paulhiggs]

I think its almost impossible to say that one of the traction methods (RWD, AWD, FWD) is better than any other, each has its place although I doubt there is a high-performance FWD vehicle.
AWD (including quattro) suffers from additional weight and power-loss through the additional differentials. We can easily see this in 0-60 and 0-100 times where RWD tends to win out (with equivelant HP). RWD also seems to have an advantage at the very highest limits of suspension tuning and I'm talking racetrack stuff here.

Now when you get to the more typical application of motor vehicle use, which is probably what 95% of us do in this forum, the quattro/AWD is the perfect match. If the quattro system can get a fully variable center differential, it would then be perfect as the power-bias could shift more forward when exiting corners etc. In slippery surfaces (from off-road gravel to that "just after the rain" slick) nothing can beat it.

All that said, there are probably professional drivers out there who could take one of the power delivery types and turn our expectations around completely (I think it would be great for someone to do a quick time in a 2.0T FWD A4 against a 2.0T AWD A4)

Personally for me, I'm now tending to enjoy the quattro/AWD experience more and more. When I was younger, power-sliding the back end mid-way in a corner was fun. Then I did some minor FWD racing in Fiats and learned more about control and smooth delivery of the power. Now the quattro/AWD brings all that together for me. Perhaps you'll like something different. In any way you drive, enjoy it, else the only people happy with your vehicle purchase will be the auto company.

[absent]

i have a question for you all...what is the best and most advanced sport traction?!is it quattor or RWD?i know the answer but you know?i wait for your answers...
AUDI A.G. another brand that i know it but the information about the new brand PAG(PORSCHE AUDI GROUP) is from the chief manager of Porsche Bucuresti Vest (Romania)...who told me (before i finish the statment about the new name of the family PAG as i heard from) he told me that NOW for SURE ...the new brand name is called...PORSCHE AUDI GROUP (and AUDI and PORSCHE will colaborate very soon at many many cars)...and he was telling me that the information about the changing name of the whole brand of family was the idea of Porsche and VW when the payment was done!I'm not kidding...and by the way...yes i have a big passion for Audi and i'm DEEPLY AGAINST ALL BMW cars...ALL OF THEM...i drove some of them and i was desgusted how they look and drive at the limit...and believe me guys i know that i can handle very well an RWD car but those car are the type of car that are made ONLY FOR SHOW OFF...scartttttt non stoply...i hate that...BMW's are for stupid people who actually wanna impressed the other part of stupid people(including girls) who can't afford an BMW...sorry for my statement if one of my words hurt someone's feeling...but my point is the truth we all see...and the engines...oh my GOD the engines...rubish...did anyone heard how sounds a BMW M5 and M6 at low rpm when the car is not moving?Clarkson explained...brrrrrrr...like a little TDI engine...yacccc....and BMW sound of the engines are upp like a medium tone not down like a BIG BASS for our ears like an Audi S/RS or other petrol engine made by Audi...their sound are great...full of angryness, power...R8 sounds LIKE NO OTHER CAR ON THIS PLANET(Clarkson said about it last weeks)...it even sounds better than Lamborghini Murcielago LP640(who has a sound like an airplane takeoff:)...yes it does...no hard feeling but Audi really really knows to built the highest performance sporstcars...

You went too far and your statements about BMW are totally false and prove you don't really have any credibility.
Sorry,no longer interested in reading your gibberish......:noshake:

[Leadfoot]

paulhiggs,

The perfect AWD system you are looking for is already out here, call the Nissan GT-R, but to be truthly even the system in the EVO is more advanced from a balanced chassis/transmission point of view than the Quattro.

Now when it comes to total grip on slippery conditions I would still rate the Quattro best for this.

[Damienr8]

How could you put Merc ahead of BMW for making the best rwd cars.:trash: I mightn't like BMW cars but I can't deny that they make one of the best rwd cars in the world, especially the CSL which is quite possibly one of the top ten rwd cars of all time. Not something that can be said about any Merc including the SLR.

You either like rwd or you don't, me I like it on the track when it can be used to the full and enjoyed but show it some rain or snow and then it 50/50 weight balance is a total nightmare.

Agree. While I am not a BMW fan, they do have one of the best rear wheel drive setups on the M3.

On a side note, my friend just put down on a 335 this weekend. He will be taking delivery in March. The sales director (who is best friends with George's father) told him that in March he will be able to order the 335 XI (I think its call xi or xic, not sure). He also told him that the new M3 will come with a 4.0L 408 hp V8. Dont know how acccurate that information is but it could be true.

[skiwi]

awd is the best setup in all conditions. having traction demands able to be met across all 4 contact patches rather than just 2 is always an advantage. in all conditions.

which is why it is banned in all formula race series around the world, as well as in most other racing series. the last time, to my knowledge that head-to-head racing was possible between the different technologies was in the dtm circa '92-95 (possibly the most technology-advanced saloon racing cars of all time), and the touring car series of the same era. awd dominated, and was then banned.

[Lateknight]

i have a question for you all...what is the best and most advanced sport traction?!is it quattor or RWD?i know the answer but you know?i wait for your answers...


It more likely to be Nissans ATTESA E-TS.

You need to take the blinkers off.

I understand your enthusiasm for Audi (who wouldn't), but your slagging off BMW like you've got a serious grudge.
By any chance have you BEEN BLOWN OFF BY A BMW RECENTLY ? (been overtaken by one)

You need to take a chill on the subject I think we all get that you dont like BMWs now.

By the way how many BMWs have you driven ? Probably none would be my guess. (I await the reply of "OVER 50" with baited breath)

[noushy]

Knight, I have to agree. I am not sure what all the hatred about BMW is about either. I love my M6, and believe me when I say it will smoke the RS6 stock on any road or freeway (assuming the weather is good). Now that is not saying the M6 is better than the RS6, just a different kind of beast.

Peace,
Noushy

[Lateknight]

Noushy
Thats what 50 odd extra horses will do for you. ;)

I even personally prefer the BMs V10 noise over the RS6s (and thats saying something). Lambos V10 is just as riotous.
Who enjoys an engine at idle ?? Acceleration under load is where an engine gives me goosebumps.

One question though : why the M6 over an M5 ?

Over in the UK there is an equivalent price difference of about $35,000 (u.s) in the M5 favour.

[BBGT2]

OK, I havent been here in awhile and as most know me as a person that loves his RS6's I have a question. I admit I havent read EVERY post here but quickly scanned thru most, is everyone predicting that an RS6 will be shown at Geneva this March?
And that it will be for sale as of late this year in Europe, does that mean that it will be shortly thereafter be ready for sale in the ROW market early 2008?
If that is true I for one would be truly amazed at Audi and it ability to deliver an RS6 THAT quick. I hope they do.

Bajo





PS. Erik I still cant change my avatar, HELP please :(

[RXBG]

OK, I havent been here in awhile and as most know me as a person that loves his RS6's I have a question. I admit I havent read EVERY post here but quickly scanned thru most, is everyone predicting that an RS6 will be shown at Geneva this March?
And that it will be for sale as of late this year in Europe, does that mean that it will be shortly thereafter be ready for sale in the ROW market early 2008?
If that is true I for one would be truly amazed at Audi and it ability to deliver an RS6 THAT quick. I hope they do.

Bajo





PS. Erik I still cant change my avatar, HELP please :(


RS6- at IAA in september of 2007. A5 (and possibly S5) in geneva and maybe TT-S

[LU-RS6]

Does anyone actually have an official article from audi that the RS6 will soon be launched? Only thing I have heard/read are rumours stating that they would turbo the S6 V10, which is the most logic but also obvious thing to think. I'd love to see some kind of an official statement.



Best regards
LU-RS6

[RXBG]

Does anyone actually have an official article from audi that the RS6 will soon be launched? Only thing I have heard/read are rumours stating that they would turbo the S6 V10, which is the most logic but also obvious thing to think. I'd love to see some kind of an official statement.



Best regards
LU-RS6

nothing official. just what a few of us have "heard". ;)

btw- how is switzerland these days? i love it. aaaaaaaah... the hills of lausanne, the views of the lake from geneva, and eating at confisserie sprungli in zurich....................

[deveraux]

RS6 this year at IAA?? thats too early - i would love to see it there, but audi has to sell some of their S6 before bringing out the next beast.

[LU-RS6]

You seem to have visited Switzerland quite a few times already.. it is indeed a beautiful country. We have a view on the "Vierwaldstättersee" and it is amazing everyday, though the last weeks we had plenty of fog all the time, and ofcourse a lack of snow.
I also think Switzerland is RS4 Avant / RS6 Avant homebase :D , I am seeing a few almost everyday.


Best regards
LU-RS6

[SuperstarDriver]

yes i have an article in the auto motor sport romania magazine taken from the mother magazine(AMS Germany) that says EXACTLY THAT RS6 will be launched at the Geneva in March with a twin-turbo V10 over 550HP!

[Benman]

OK, I havent been here in awhile and as most know me as a person that loves his RS6's I have a question. I admit I havent read EVERY post here but quickly scanned thru most...

What?!?!?!?!?

You mean you didn't take the time to read every post on this entire website first?!? This has already been discussed before and I can't take the time to answer your question but can take the time to type all this gibberish to make me look good and you not so much!

Only joking...:cheers: I thought I was on AudiWorld... :applause: :applause: :applause: :rotflmao:

Bajo:cheers: ,

I'd be suprised if it does show by March, I think we may have to wait till September, but we only only have less than two months till Geneva, so we'll know soon.:dig:

Ben:addict:

[SuperstarDriver]

oh my god just 2months off...and we'll get the new RS6...i can't wait...i must make something to make the time go very easy until then...i'm very curious about how it gonna look first and then the engine performance...i need to say that if the new RS6 will get like the R8 and Q7V12 TDI LED Headlights i will be happiest man on earth...i love the LED brakes on the back of the S6 and love the 10 day lights on the front of it...very agressive machine i think!i just love to drive the A6 C6 and S6 of course, but the new RS6 will definetely kick me off...

[LU-RS6]

oh my god just 2months off...and we'll get the new RS6...

I wouldn't get too excited yet...Just think that the RS6 comes in September, the more happy you will be if it does show in Geneva ;)


Best regards
LU-RS6

[BBGT2]

What?!?!?!?!?

You mean you didn't take the time to read every post on this entire website first?!? This has already been discussed before and I can't take the time to answer your question but can take the time to type all this gibberish to make me look good and you not so much!

Only joking...:cheers: I thought I was on AudiWorld... :applause: :applause: :applause: :rotflmao:

Bajo:cheers: ,

I'd be suprised if it does show by March, I think we may have to wait till September, but we only only have less than two months till Geneva, so we'll know soon.:dig:

Ben:addict:


:applause: :applause: Ben !

You got me, but I did read most of the thread if not all.
I got excited as people have already put down deposits, cant make up their mind on what color interior and here I am with NO information as to what the car looks like or the powerplant.
I hope you have been good.:0:

Thanks guys appreciate the info, I cant wait to see the real thing.:addict:

[Benman]

...cant make up their mind on what color interior and here I am with NO information as to what the car looks like or the powerplant.


Some informants here are convinced it will get a facelift (ala RS 4) vs the current gen A6 as well as TTV10 580hp. These individuals have zero reason to lie and have a very credible background. I am expecting all they say to come true.:thumb:

That said, I will be sticking with my MkI. No new RS 6 for me... but I'll be the first to congrat all that get the new Beast!:cheers:

Ben:addict:

[BBGT2]

Ben,

Oh no I wasnt refering to anyone lying, i was just dumbstruck that people are already placing orders and no one has seen the car yet. Thats what I find odd.
Hey good luck to all who have their orders in as I am sure Audi wont disappoint.
Me I am sticking with my S8 for awhile, and want to get a 997GT2 if Porsche decided to bless us, if not it will be 996GT2 again for me.


Bajo

[SuperstarDriver]

for me in this moment RS6 could be only a dream in the future cause i allready made an order for the S3...the new RS6 will be too expensive for me at this time but in the future i hope i will buy it...and those people actually order yet the new RS6 will not be dissapoitment at all so...let's hear and see great news about the new RS6!

[Matt]

So when we gonna see this RS6? Somebody's tellin about march, somebody about september? I can't wait for facts (not suppositions) concerning a power of a new beast. What do you think about W12 in RS6 :P I think it could be better then 5.2 from Gallardo. S8 gives 450KM, it's the same power like in A8 W12. S8 is a sport version and can't manage with a limousine W12.

[absent]

So when we gonna see this RS6? Somebody's tellin about march, somebody about september? I can't wait for facts (not suppositions) concerning a power of a new beast. What do you think about W12 in RS6 :P I think it could be better then 5.2 from Gallardo. S8 gives 450KM, it's the same power like in A8 W12. S8 is a sport version and can't manage with a limousine W12.
To get more power from W12 they would have to turbocharge it(as in Bentley),that would be impossible in the engine bay of A6.
They already have a hard time fitting V10 with turbos in that car and besides,W12 would make that car too much front heavy,so it's not a good direction.

[Benman]

Ben,

Oh no I wasnt refering to anyone lying, i was just dumbstruck that people are already placing orders and no one has seen the car yet.


Bajo

Some of the members here are very well connected to quattro GmbH, it's just that they wish to remain incognito... but rest assured, their targets of facelift, TTV10 580hp, will come to light. No DSG though, slight bummer, but should be one heck of a Beast, the wait will soon be over. :cheers:

Ben:addict:

[jreedz]

I just spoke with an AUDI USA regional sales manager who said there are no plans to come out with an RS6 next year. Is there any reason he wouldnt tell me if one were coming out or any reason why audi wouldnt tell their sales managers.

[Mori]

I just spoke with an AUDI USA regional sales manager who said there are no plans to come out with an RS6 next year. Is there any reason he wouldnt tell me if one were coming out or any reason why audi wouldnt tell their sales managers.

I was at the dealer today and they were surprised when I tried to order the new SATNAV map for 2007 on DVD. They said its not out yet. I just said OK thanks - I'll get it on ebay and save you the bother of taking $400 off of me. :D

The sales divisions are usually the last the know anything as the world is at the moment - at least as far as I can tell from reports across Europe. :D

If the RS6 will be available from 2008 in Europe, I would expect it in USA in 2009 due to different bumper regulations, emissions, and so on. For some odd reason you don't get the bucket seats or steering wheel in the RS4 for example - I'd imagine the RS6 will have similar issues.

[FrenchAudi]

I just spoke with an AUDI USA regional sales manager who said there are no plans to come out with an RS6 next year. Is there any reason he wouldnt tell me if one were coming out or any reason why audi wouldnt tell their sales managers.

The car might be introduced late this year as a final product at a Auto show, but don't expect the RS6 until it is a 2009 MY.

[audifan]

That "superstar...etc" poster, sure has made it hard for a "lurker" like me to read through these informative posts.....seriously, my brain hurts

[skiwi]

If the RS6 will be available from 2008 in Europe, I would expect it in USA in 2009 due to different bumper regulations, emissions, and so on. For some odd reason you don't get the bucket seats or steering wheel in the RS4 for example - I'd imagine the RS6 will have similar issues.

it's a well-known story to do with compliance to regulations, and particularly the requirement for a number of specific crash tests. the other issue is cost. audi, for some reason, believes that you 'mericans are more important than those of us in the row, and give you much sharper prices. because of that, you do without some of the other features which those of us who pay top $ get. we also get the cars earlier than you.... ;-)

[SuperstarDriver]

RS6 will be available in the third quarter of 2007 guys(in Europe) especially in Germany on april-may 2007 and then in the summer 2007 in the whole Europe...for US it will be available in 2008 for sure cause always the germans are importing their models after a year...
i know this info because i was amazed that the new R8 supercar will be available in Romania at march (ianuary in Germany) so RS6 will definetely will be available in Europe soon...

[absent]

it's a well-known story to do with compliance to regulations, and particularly the requirement for a number of specific crash tests. the other issue is cost. audi, for some reason, believes that you 'mericans are more important than those of us in the row, and give you much sharper prices. because of that, you do without some of the other features which those of us who pay top $ get. we also get the cars earlier than you.... ;-)

Sorry,lack of certain equipment like specific steering wheel or Recaro seats have nothing to do with their attempt to control the cost,rather with the complicated and costly DOT regs.

[Damienr8]

That "superstar...etc" poster, sure has made it hard for a "lurker" like me to read through these informative posts.....seriously, my brain hurts

Hehe I thought the same thing, but he is a good guy. Maybe the language barrier and his enthusiasm might seem a little annoying but I enjoy his "over the top" posts.:dig:

[skiwi]

Sorry,lack of certain equipment like specific steering wheel or Recaro seats have nothing to do with their attempt to control the cost,rather with the complicated and costly DOT regs.

errr, pretty sure that is what i said? compliance regs have a direct relation to costs... and they want to keep costs down which was my other point...