RS6 Chip debate

[choppo]

Afternoon all,
Hopefully some in the USA have chipped there RS6 and was wanting to get a little info if possible.
I see where GIAC flash's the ECU and OC T and MTM solder a chip in and all 3 require a tip chip.
I personaly used the MTM chip in a 2001.5 S4 and it ignored some EGT codes and that was not good.
I had real good luck though with the AMS/ABT box but all this knowledge is from a S4 not a RS6.
If and when I chip
It would be with a Xtra ECU ( Hopefully so not to destroy original ) for my car if and was leaning towards OC T stratsmophere products they have chipped a few in the area,
So I was told by them and a a few service reps @ dealerships but no info other than here say.
I would just like to learn a bit about it and some of you guys experiances if you would share them.
Ams/ABT, MTM , OC T and GIAC are probably close but there is always a diffirence and your info is best and hopefully there are a few here willing to share
Also bear in mind I would only chip to 510 hp and not looking to track car or run 100 octane just 93 octane and live with 510hp ( Stage 1 ) and other than that no other mods to engine.

[audirs6sport]

Your best bet is to challenge all the tuners to give you a dyno result to match the power you desire out of this beast. Good number of tuners actually don't even make power that they claim, or if things go bad, makes less power than from the beginning! I've only heard negative feedbacks about GIAC software on RS6. You can get their software without a tip chip, it is not mandatory.

[BBGT2]

Choppo,
I have had an MTM chip in my 94 UrS4 and had various problems, ie cel, hesitation from the engine as did my brother with his 95.5 UrS6 (had them chipped at the same time) which shocked me because MTM is a very reputable tuner in Germany. Hoppen Motorsports who is their U.S. importer/installer is someone I will never deal with again. On my RS 6 I went with a GIAC chip heard alot of good things about them and was pleased with their follow up after the fact. Yes I had the tip chip and it felt better when shifting, after the chip I installed the Milltek exhaust cause it sounded damn good. Just my .03 cents (inflation) . I hope whoever has my beast is enjoying her as much as I did until the GT2 came along. I am waiting for the new S8 if the doofases at Audi ever figure out if and when they are building it. Until then I have my 01 S8 and the GT2 and my bro just bought a CL65.
Cheers to all the guys I havent talked to in awhile I still check in from time to time. Sorry for going "off topic" I hope Igor does not boot me outta here.

Bajo

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bajors6
On my RS 6 I went with a GIAC chip

Just my .03 cents (inflation) .

Bajo

Bajo
How the heck are ya? Haven't heard from you in quite some time! Hope all is well. Glad to hear that your GIAC chip worked for you. Like audirs6sport, I've heard some negative comments on the GIAC chip, but no firsthand experience.

Ben

[TaTaPiRaTa]

I have MTM since 6m. I'm Very pleased.

[BBGT2]

Benman, been pretty good can't complain, how are you and I bet you have been enjoying your monster heavily. Have you done anything to it yet? As far as chip's go Tatapirata I have no doubts in MTM I suspected Hoppen here in Florida and just didn't like their attitude when I first called with my problems but we eventually sold the cars. It was just a nuisance is all.
Benman nice to hear from you again and you take care of yourself and that beauty of yours.

Bajo

[NWRS6]

I've had the GIAC software and tip chip installed for the past 8,000 miles. Not a single hiccup or any weird behaviour to date.

Stock RS6 loses to 996TT and runs about even with an SL55.

Chipped, my RS6 keeps up within 3 car lengths of a 996TT and beats the SL55 everytime off the line. SL55 never catches up.

520hp/530 ft/lb torque is a healthy increase over stock 450hp/415 ft/lb.

BTW, I always fill her up with 94 octane

[Benman]

Originally posted by Bajors6
Benman, been pretty good can't complain, how are you and I bet you have been enjoying your monster heavily. Have you done anything to it yet?

Bajo

Bajo

All is well with no complaints. Missed a couple of Audi events but other than that, I've been really enjoying the Beast. All stock with the exception of Hotchkis sway bars. You have to let us all know how that SWEET GT2 is!!!

:bigeyes: :bigeyes:

Back to topic, why is it that a lot of people seem to have issues with Hoppen Motorsports? Is it because they're so big now that they don't care about they're clients? Sorry you had issues with them as well. The only experience I've ever had with them is BEFORE I bought my RS 6 and emailed them oh... about 10 stinking times asking what the price and availability was for a chip. Never got a reply except "not available at this time." Great customer service.

Ben

[Benman]

Originally posted by NWRS6
I've had the GIAC software and tip chip installed for the past 8,000 miles. Not a single hiccup or any weird behaviour to date.


520hp/530 ft/lb torque is a healthy increase over stock 450hp/415 ft/lb.

BTW, I always fill her up with 94 octane

Good to hear. As I said earlier, I've had no first hand experience with them but have heard some negative comments. We need to hear from more owners that have some positive input to add

And we don't have 94 readily available here in the States.

Ben

[NWRS6]

Hi:

Those with problems probably had the early versions of the GIAC software. I think from the time it first came out, there have been more than 3 or 4 updates.

Just before they installed my software, it had an update about a week earlier.

So I supposedly have the latest and best version. Perhaps that's why I have not had any issues.

I have heard that MTM is the best but as they only have a solder on chip, you can kiss your warranty bye bye.

GIAC's flashloading is a great benefit in terms of maintaining your warranty.

[audirs6sport]

Originally posted by NWRS6
I've had the GIAC software and tip chip installed for the past 8,000 miles. Not a single hiccup or any weird behaviour to date.

Stock RS6 loses to 996TT and runs about even with an SL55.

Chipped, my RS6 keeps up within 3 car lengths of a 996TT and beats the SL55 everytime off the line. SL55 never catches up.

520hp/530 ft/lb torque is a healthy increase over stock 450hp/415 ft/lb.

BTW, I always fill her up with 94 octane

Not to hate or anything, but only if it did make that much power. Garret's sidekick, Jeff Moss ran an rs6 with nothing but GIAC chip, and in the upper rpm, only lost power on the DynoJet. Just letting everyone know what I saw with my own eyes.

[choppo]

I can't understand how GIAC can be flashed on the ECU and MTM/APR and OCT all say they have to put new chips in them.

How can GIAC find the room to do it where none of the others can ?

Or why is OCT/MTM/APR swapping chips ?

Just does not seem to add up is all

[NWRS6]

When the RS6 software first came out, the ECU needed to be socketed with a new chip. It was only in October 2004 that the RS6 could be flashed.

I'd like to say that my tests were repeated several times. And all the cars compared to (996 turbo and SL55) are/were also my own vehicles.

I'm not just saying the chipped RS6 is faster than an SL55 or runs about even with a 996TT to make myself feel better about the upgrade.

My comparisons are not seat of the pants. All runs were done stock/chipped on the same day and time. The flashloader allows me to revert back to stock within 15 seconds.

If the software is not making more power, how can I keep up with my 996TT and beat my SL55 when I could not do so with the RS6 set at stock?

[audirs6sport]

Originally posted by NWRS6
When the RS6 software first came out, the ECU needed to be socketed with a new chip. It was only in October 2004 that the RS6 could be flashed.

I'd like to say that my tests were repeated several times. And all the cars compared to (996 turbo and SL55) are/were also my own vehicles.

I'm not just saying the chipped RS6 is faster than an SL55 or runs about even with a 996TT to make myself feel better about the upgrade.

My comparisons are not seat of the pants. All runs were done stock/chipped on the same day and time. The flashloader allows me to revert back to stock within 15 seconds.

If the software is not making more power, how can I keep up with my 996TT and beat my SL55 when I could not do so with the RS6 set at stock?

Don't know. But that's a good question. How can you be driving all three of your cars at once and run against them by yourself? Jeff Moss has stated on the day of the dyno, which was about a month ago, that they need to go back on to their drawing board. They've also stated that their software for the ECM was incomplete, which means that they have been selling unfinished product as their real deal "Cartooning" software to the previous rs6 owners that have been complaining about their GIAC product (I believe those folks are still around somewhere on this forum). Dyno test doesn't lie, and that rs6 owner was pretty pissed off about the fact he spent 3grand for nothing as well as the dyno testing costs... Just stating what happend. No stories made up.

[audirs6sport]

Originally posted by choppo
I can't understand how GIAC can be flashed on the ECU and MTM/APR and OCT all say they have to put new chips in them.

How can GIAC find the room to do it where none of the others can ?

Or why is OCT/MTM/APR swapping chips ?

Just does not seem to add up is all

It's not your ECM that's being flashed, it's the EPROM chip inside the ECM unit that is being flashed. It's the same idea as your EPROM chip that's soldiered on your motherboard, when you flash update the bios. Other tuners like APR and REVO technik are using this process to tune their clients toys. Only difference is that GIAC is known as Garbage In A Chip, and they have stated many BS since the past about their tuning, and they still currently do. I still remember when I had my A6 chipped with GIAC software. Their statement was that the advertised numbers were just conservative numbers, rather, in reality it really makes about 100hp at the crank. When it was put to a test on the maha dyno, it did make more power but it was about 20 hp... Either I was just out of luck for whatever reason, or their software just wasn't making the power that they claimed.

[s42ski]

It would be outstanding for folks to disuss the chip "experience". With three or four different chips ( at least ) - it is difficult to choose. I am somewhat intrigued by the APR system, mostly by the idea of changing the program via the cruise control - any owners have experience with this set up?

[gjg]

Originally posted by NWRS6

When the RS6 software first came out, the ECU needed to be socketed with a new chip. It was only in October 2004 that the RS6 could be flashed.

so all 2003 models in US have to have the chip soldered? Or the original EPROM is replaced with flashable PROM?

Not sure if I understand this flash/solder issue when the breakpoint is October 2004 ....

[choppo]

I was told by OC Tuning/APR and MTM that the chip had to be replaced in the ECU from the stock one to a larger one they use.

Unless a Clone/Spare ECU could be obtained for chipping purposes only.

Which I hear has been done "cloning" of ECU's.