Seriously considering buying 2013 S8, knowledge and opinions please

[ZCD2.7T]

...Now you get near the same result from an S6 with a tune as an RS6 from a tune which for me as a consumer defeats the purpose of purchasing the more exclusive model.

You seem to be forgetting the 10 years that passed between the C5 RS6 and C7 S6... The standard of performance has moved on, which is "progress" in most people's books. That's why a C7 RS6 or RS7 is SO much quicker/faster than the C5 - that's progress.

RS6s/RS7s with tunes run mid 10s, while S6s with tunes run mid-11s, so the performance gap between them remains - "...same as it ever was". (/Talking Heads)

[Bigglezworth]

You seem to be forgetting the 10 years that passed between the C5 RS6 and C7 S6...

Well that's an insult. I wasn't forgetting whatsoever. High 10 vs. a mid 11 is a lot closer than high 11 vs. a mid 14. Clearly progress has been getting times faster and faster - it's just not as wide a spread which IN MY OPINION doesn't warrant the exclusivity and $$$ being demanded. I think what's fair to say is that because we can't get the newer C6 & C7 models in North America that we are fine with the S6 and the fugly RS7 models that are accessible.

[ZCD2.7T]

Well that's an insult. I wasn't forgetting whatsoever. High 10 vs. a mid 11 is a lot closer than high 11 vs. a mid 14.

You can try to manufacture an insult out of my comments if you like, but I can assure you that none was intended.

C5 RS6s run 12.7-13.1 stock according to ALL contemporary tests. C5 S6s ran 13.6-14 flat. So about 1-second difference.

C7 RS6/7s run about 11.5, and C7 S6s run about 12.2-12.5, again about a 1 second difference. Tuned, the gap remains about 1 second.

Add to that the "heavy motor" facts previously mentioned, plus DRC and IMO the RS6RS7s certainly set themselves apart.

[Bigglezworth]

You can try to manufacture an insult out of my comments if you like, but I can assure you that none was intended.

C5 RS6s run 12.7-13.1 stock according to ALL contemporary tests. C5 S6s ran 13.6-14 flat. So about 1-second difference.

C7 RS6/7s run about 11.5, and C7 S6s run about 12.2-12.5, again about a 1 second difference. Tuned, the gap remains about 1 second.

Add to that the "heavy motor" facts previously mentioned, plus DRC and IMO the RS6RS7s certainly set themselves apart.

Clearly we aren't speaking the same language, or not understanding things correctly from either party. You cite there still being a 1 second gap which I just don't understand. Members on this forum are citing they are at, or near to getting their newer S6's breaking in to the high 10's. I have no recollection of anyone on this forum or the other forums running a second faster with high 9's in their RS7/6's. I do see many citing mid 10's for the newer C7 RS6/7's which is a half a second difference as I have it in my head.

As for the C5 S6's, there is no way a base line S6 is/was running 13.5 seconds. I have one. They are mid 14's - maybe lower when the planets align. Tuned, 'maybe eek out another 3/10's or even possibly a miraculous half a second faster max. A tuned C5 RS6 easily cracks 12's and is in high 11's with a few other odds and sods. This is what I have in my head as being a significant larger delta in the S to RS models than today's delta and prefaced my comments on the matter.

[papadoc]

[QUOTE=Bigglezworth;290085]Clearly we aren't speaking the same language, or not understanding things correctly from either party. You cite there still being a 1 second gap which I just don't understand. /QUOTE]

Very few S6 or RS7 posters on this board, but from another board comes this spreadsheet with documented times for stock and tuned RS7s and C7 S6s. Without the timeslip, it didn't happen. Only one 2014 s8 in the list.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...JfRkgCu8GqqyOs

[ZCD2.7T]

...This is what I have in my head as being a significant larger delta in the S to RS models than today's delta and prefaced my comments on the matter.

What's "in your head" with regards to performance isn't accurate, according to other, unbiased sources:

2007 S6, 13.8 @ 104: https://s3.amazonaws.com/amv-prod-ca...ertrain-ss.pdf

Another reference post for that C7 1/4 mile times info, from Audizine:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post12008674

It takes bigger (RS6/7) turbos, a race fuel tune, downpipes, an intake and an exhaust get a C7 S6 into the 10s, which is why I quoted $8K as a starting point to "RS6Goals" in that other thread.

A C7 RS6/7 will be in the high 10s with a tune and possibly an intake - or maybe $2-3k total outlay.

So, whether stock to stock, or with a similar amount of money spent on tuning, the 1-second difference remains consistent for the C7...

Very few S6 or RS7 posters on this board, but from another board comes this spreadsheet with documented times for stock and tuned RS7s and C7 S6s. Without the timeslip, it didn't happen. Only one 2014 s8 in the list.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...JfRkgCu8GqqyOs

Thank you.

(and there's me and my car, pretty much at the end of the list, because my car is stock/unmodified)