Place your bets - RS6 or M5 faster in Sport Autos upcoming test?

[Leadfoot]

Leadie,

Just one problem-difference in 0-200km/h by different German car mags is simply said waay tooo big.

15.2s(AMS), 14.8s(SA), 14.3s(AB) and 13.5s(AZ)... All press cars...

For example difference in 0-200km/h for Porsche 997 Turbo were only 0.5s... Factory claim by Porsche is 12.8s, fastest was AB(12.1s), slowest SA(12.6s)...

So, tollerance at Porsche is better then in Audi? At least for press cars?

No Kerso, re-read what I wrote, 'turned up the wick' that means Audi have finally decided it's time to up the power to make sure they are top dog.

Wait until the RS6+ comes out, I think many here will be surprised by the possible figures it will be capable of.

P.S.
If you remember what I say some months ago that I was told in testing it was posting a 0-60mph time in the very low 4s and for the group to expect something like a 4.1~4.3s figure, well what do you know. Who was right after all.

[KresoF1]

The issue with the tyres is similar to the one regarding it's true topspeed, the tyre condition goes off quite quickly, that's is why it's currently being limited to 175mph and not it's true topspeed of 205mph.

The reason for only 280km/h top speed(and it will be the same for RS6 sedan) is aerodynamics. RS6 Avant do not create any downforce at all. Upforce is on the other hand that big that car would literally fly-away at over 300km/h... Same problem is also with S5(when its aerodynamics were measured by Sport Auto for its Supertest)-too big front uplift at high speed.

At new RS6 Avant uplift is so big that above 260km/h you got feeling that front wheels are actually flying... M5 suffers from same feeling as well.

[Leadfoot]

The reason for only 280km/h top speed(and it will be the same for RS6 sedan) is aerodynamics. RS6 Avant do not create any downforce at all. Upforce is on the other hand that big that car would literally fly-away at over 300km/h... Same problem is also with S5(when its aerodynamics were measured by Sport Auto for its Supertest)-too big front uplift at high speed.

At new RS6 Avant uplift is so big that above 260km/h you got feeling that front wheels are actually flying... M5 suffers from same feeling as well.

Kerso,

I am 100% certain that it's a tyre problem, they have tried all their current suppliers tyres and each version are blistering. The last thing I heard was which the manufacturers were working on a new compound exclusive to the RS6.

I haven't had the S5 at anything like 150mph but I know for a fact that the old S4v8 didn't suffer from light steering where you had no confidence in the car.

[KresoF1]

Bentley Conti GT uses the same Pirelli P Zero tires as RS6 Avant. What is its top speed? Over 320km/h? Only Conti GT aerodynamics is way better...

You are wrong here my friend...

[Brigadier]

Bentley Conti GT uses the same Pirelli P Zero tires as RS6 Avant. What is its top speed? Over 320km/h? Only Conti GT aerodynamics is way better...

You are wrong here my friend...

I guess Conti uses Yokohama Advan Sport http://www.yokohamatire.com/advan/

[Leadfoot]

Bentley Conti GT uses the same Pirelli P Zero tires as RS6 Avant. What is its top speed? Over 320km/h? Only Conti GT aerodynamics is way better...

You are wrong here my friend...

Sorry Kerso but you info is incorrect. Yes the Bentley GT uses the same tyres but unlike the RS6 the Bentley has a 50/50 weight balance, check it out and you will see I am correct on this. It's the front tyres on the RS6 which are giving the problems and remember the RS6 has 59.5% of it's weight over the front axle.

[Leadfoot]

I guess Conti uses Yokohama Advan Sport (http://www.yokohamatire.com/advan/)

I can't speak for the Bentley but I do know Audi tried Pirelli, Dunlop, Conti and all had the same problems.

[gjg]

Ok maybe I think you misunderstood me. Before the 580hp number was released I knew there was supposed to be a twin turbo 5-5.5 liter v10. There are several engines from various manufacturers that are making 100-120+ hp/liter. So with a 5.2 liter I would expect 520-624hp without any forced induction. Seems reasonable to expect atleast a 30% power increase by adding twin turbos at a reasonable boost which would be a hp range of 676hp-811hp. Just numbers, I didn't do any of this originally, 5.2 liters and twin turbo means a reliable 700hp in my mind. 700hp rs6 would kick e60 m5 ass at any speed, awd or not.

all depends what you want ... I need a reliable station wagon to comute back and forth to my office... if I want to show my "manhood" and kick some "ass" down the road and need 700 hp to do it I'd buy something else .... btw the 700 hp will not make anybody's dick any bigger ....

[Pit]

This is bassed on facts

Please tell me where i can read the tests with a 460HP RS4B5 doing
100-200 in <10s.

There are RS4 beating the 10s but with over 500HP, short gearbox,
bigger turbos, cooling system, without rearsits etc...

normal tuned RS4

Greetz, Pit.

[audi_ch]

Please tell me where i can read the tests with a 460HP RS4B5 doing
100-200 in <10s.

There are RS4 beating the 10s but with over 500HP, short gearbox,
bigger turbos, cooling system, without rearsits etc...




Greetz, Pit.

here we go, see sportec 460 ps 14 sec up to 200

[Pit]

Here i can not see what the tuning was and the sportec - the
fastest car - takes 100 - 200 in over 10s...

I dont think this was a normal tuned RS4...

Greetz, Pit.

[audi_ch]

Here i can not see what the tuning was and the sportec - the
fastest car - takes 100 - 200 in over 10s...

I dont think this was a normal tuned RS4...

Greetz, Pit.

i dont see any difference of tuning or normal tuning...

But yeay 10,1 sec is over 10 sec, but faster then 10,3 for for the rs6.

And as i said on rs-quattro.de you find the cars witch are under 10 sec with around 460 hp (Ewg)

if that is good for the engine or not is on other question, but people can make it.

[Pit]

i dont see any difference of tuning or normal tuning....

See my post, i understand remapping as "normal tuning"..

But yeay 10,1 sec is over 10 sec, but faster then 10,3 for for the rs6.

The RS6 was tested at 9,3s 100-200 in AZ.
And... yes 10,1 is more than 10,0

No question, the B5RS4 is a very good car... but not good enough to
compare it with RS6.. Very sorry we cant see what happens 200-300 km/h...

Pit.

[Erik]

Audi RS 6 Avant quattro V10 5.0 Biturbo
Test in sport auto 04/2008
Gewicht 2112 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,4 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,5 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,2 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,9 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 12,1 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,8 s

[Erik]

Note that the points for the BMW M5 Touring are in there as well.

[Ruergard]

So, who's the new kid on the block now?