Place your bets - RS6 or M5 faster in Sport Autos upcoming test?

[audi_ch]

Kerso,

Nothing special you think, and an overachiver. Lets look at the results that Pit provided. RS6 14,8s (15,4s M5)....0~200km/h, that is a whole 0.6s ahead, how far in meters is that at that speed..........I can tell you it's more than a few of lengths. You may say that the M5 has recorded much better times than this but on the two tests that have been conducted against the RS6 it has always been behind by a similar margin. The RS6 has done what it set out to do which was to be quicker than the M5 and E63...............I say job done.

Likewise on the track it's again comfortably ahead of it's main rivals, proving that the RS6 is also the king of the track regardless if the M5 is the more entertaining.

Once you take these figures to the public highway the results will be that the RS6 is in a totally different league to the others which more than justify the extra dosh and proves beyond doubt that Audi are the new kings of performance saloon/estate/coupes.

and Hockenheim 1.15,7 to 1.16,5 (M5)....

Greetz, Pit.

as mutch i love audi, i want to stay objectiv, and to say "rs6 is totally in a differant league than m5 is just not true.

On any test we had now the acceleration 100-200 kmh m5 was either identical to rs6 or faster, and on those speeds we will battle on the german high ways.

When do you think it will happen that you find an rs6 and an m5 owner wicht do 0-100 kmh acceleration battles.

and the other question is what happens above 200 kmh.

i am personally disapointed, i dont see the rs6 as clear winner over the 2 years old m5 in strightline acceleration on the relevant speeds, exept on 0-100, but this is mor to the superbe quattro system then to the more horsepower and torque.

Common, every audi boy, so did i wished that the new rs6 is more than 1 second faster from 100-200 then the rest, but this is just not the case.
As the m5 touring the rs6 needs about 10 sec for this speed...

[Leadfoot]

I will answer what makes the RS6 in a different league to the M5. Firstly the RS6 is able to put all of it's power to the road, even before the corner straightens up, that is something the M5 can not do which gives the RS6 an advantage on to the next straight. Secondly the RS6 will not need to cut it's power soon after hard driving, something the M5 does, it heats up far to quickly (the only thing it does do quicker than an RS6). Also the RS6 is running at it's lowest output needed to stay ahead which means Audi have room to increase it's power for production cars. That is something the M5 hasn't the luxury of, increasing it's output to stay in touch will only lead to more temperature reliability problems.

Basically the RS6 can run all day long where as the M5 can not, a couple of long hard runs and it's done.

So it's a no win situation for BMW at the moment, until they except that they have to go down the turbo path they will always come second best to the RS6.

[Rage]

I will answer what makes the RS6 in a different league to the M5. Firstly the RS6 is able to put all of it's power to the road, even before the corner straightens up, that is something the M5 can not do which gives the RS6 an advantage on to the next straight. Secondly the RS6 will not need to cut it's power soon after hard driving, something the M5 does, it heats up far to quickly (the only thing it does do quicker than an RS6). Also the RS6 is running at it's lowest output needed to stay ahead which means Audi have room to increase it's power for production cars. That is something the M5 hasn't the luxury of, increasing it's output to stay in touch will only lead to more temperature reliability problems.

Basically the RS6 can run all day long where as the M5 can not, a couple of long hard runs and it's done.

So it's a no win situation for BMW at the moment, until they except that they have to go down the turbo path they will always come second best to the RS6.

That only really applies to a track situation. If youre buying these cars on track-ability them then something is wrong with you.

As much as I love RS cars....the RS6 is not in a different league league to the M5.

[chewym]

So now that the 0-200 question is settled, people are looking for an even more obscure test to base which car is better?

The RS6 at worst will be even in a 100-200 obscure test, it was only 1/2 a second quicker in the 0-100, yet it got to 200 with a bit more than 1/2 second lead.

[Pit]

the RS6 is not in a different league league to the M5.

And why not?

The M5 can only follow (!) -> ONLY FOLLOW the RS6 in perfect dry conditions and above 100 Km/H.

The M5 can NOT follow the RS6 in a rainy day, on snow, on track,
in fast corners, in slow corners and accelerating from them, on
dirty roads, on uneven roads.... The M5's brakes, gearbox, suspension
are not in the league of RS6...

The M5 performance compared to RS6's is only few days available....
in perfect situations... in Germany maybe during a week in year...

At long last.... the design...

Greetz, Pit.

[Leadfoot]

Maybe you all missed the part about the current output spec that the magazines are testing in the RS6 is at it's lowest output, the engine can be easily tweaked by Audi for production spec cars if they feel the need.

This is something BMW can not do with the M5 unless they adopt forced induction or increase capacity, neither of which would be easily achieved in such a short space of time.

I have it from a good source that the RS6 is quicker in 9 out of 10 situations, which to me means the RS6 is quicker, end of story.

[Rage]

No one is doubting the RS6 is quicker. The margin is in the fractions of a second. That does not make it in a different league. If you really think so then watch the Topgear RS4/M3/C63 test.

The RS4 is the slowest by 5 seconds around a track then the M3, all cars driven by the Stig on the same day sequentially.

5 seconds in a ~1.40 track

If you think the RS6 is in a different league to the M5 based on a fraction of a second difference, then you must think the RS4 has more in common to a barge boat then to the M3. Neither of which is true.

[KresoF1]

Maybe you all missed the part about the current output spec that the magazines are testing in the RS6 is at it's lowest output, the engine can be easily tweaked by Audi for production spec cars if they feel the need.

This is something BMW can not do with the M5 unless they adopt forced induction or increase capacity, neither of which would be easily achieved in such a short space of time.

I have it from a good source that the RS6 is quicker in 9 out of 10 situations, which to me means the RS6 is quicker, end of story.

Leadie,

I agree with you in 85% of cases but, you are fishing here...

Low output engines for PRESS cars... You must be kidding, aren't you?

How about Mercedes C63 AMG numbers from same issue of Sport Auto?

0-100km/h: 4.4s
0-200km/h:14.0s
80-180km/h: 15.3s(fifth gear)
1772kg
1:15,2min Hockenheim


BTW, 80-180km/h for RS6 Avant is 16.7s(fifth gear)...

[Erik]

Maybe you all missed the part about the current output spec that the magazines are testing in the RS6 is at it's lowest output, the engine can be easily tweaked by Audi for production spec cars if they feel the need.

Not very likely IMO. Check your sources, or get them changed...

[Leadfoot]

The question I asked was whether the RS6 would be quicker than the M5, this was at the time when KersoF1 stated we wouldn't be to impressed with the then soon to be revealed SportAuto results. The reply back was that on almost all situations the RS6 would indeed the quicker car but he advised that the M5 v10 engine was prone to temperature problem if the car will pushed too hard and for too long, at which point it's power would be reduced.

He then went on to say that the RS6 had no such problems and was running at it's lowest output required to stay ahead of the competition but if the need was felt there was plenty of scope to increase the output if so desired. Whether this might the basic RS6 or a future RS6+ I honestly don't know, I took that as meaning the basic car would be increased.

Read into it what you will but he hasn't been wrong as of yet and I have little doubt that his statement is wrong on this occasion ethier.

[Leadfoot]

Leadie,

I agree with you in 85% of cases but, you are fishing here...

Low output engines for PRESS cars... You must be kidding, aren't you?

How about Mercedes C63 AMG numbers from same issue of Sport Auto?

0-100km/h: 4.4s
0-200km/h:14.0s
80-180km/h: 15.3s(fifth gear)
1772kg
1:15,2min Hockenheim


BTW, 80-180km/h for RS6 Avant is 16.7s(fifth gear)...

Kerso,

Remember that one car is a 6speed (RS6) and the other a 7speed (C63), that will mess with the results a little. But no taking away from the C63, it is one hell of a quick car but the RS6 is not competing with it, it's rival was the M5 and E63 which it has beaten on at least two occasions (M5).

[Pit]

How about Mercedes C63 AMG numbers from same issue of Sport Auto?

How about? Let's see upcoming RS5 + RS4

Here we takling about RS6 beating AMG E63 ....

Greetz, Pit.

[chewym]

Yep, 5 speed in a 7 speed gearbox is a lot different than 5 th speed in a 6 speed gearbox. Sure both will kickdown, but the C63 gets an advantage in this test.

[chutia]

That only really applies to a track situation. If youre buying these cars on track-ability them then something is wrong with you.

As much as I love RS cars....the RS6 is not in a different league league to the M5.

Absolutely agree!
As previously stated, I've owned the RS6 and now own both the 06 CLS55 AMG and the 07 M5, and while obviously piloti like to track these cars, these really are not track cars. They all weigh over 4,000 lb/2 tons, which is the exact opposite of what you ideally want in a track car, which is more a Lotus Elise.
But, hey, to each his own.

[Freestyla80]

The Tyres were done after one lap on the track.
I dont think that they will survive one lap on the Nordschleife, here will be a M5 better

[techiehost]

You know I thought Audi was finally going to show up BMWs 3 year old M5. However it looks like if they do win, it won't be by much. Winning is winning, but Audi has seen what the M5 can do, and 3 years to beat it, and if it is only going to beat it by a small margin, then I am not at all impressed. I have to say I am not at all impressed with the power output of the RS6. A 5.2 liter twin turbo v10 that makes 572HP and 480TQ? I notice a few people are saying BMW might have to give in and go the turbo way or more displacement. Well I have to say that is bad news for Audi if BMW slaps twin turbos on the M5, or raises the displacement just a little. They could stick in say a 5.7 liter V10 making 630HP and 480TQ, that would smoke the RS6, and adding turbos.... you can expect around 700hp on low boost.

For Audis sake they better be severely under rating the engine. There are NA engines making more HP/liter. A 5.2 liter version of the old M3 CSL would make 585HP. What more disappointing is that the RS6 is going to be a 6 speed automatic wagon with AWD. If it was a RWD SMG sedan, it would probably beat the M5 to any speed, after all it is a bigger engine and it has twin turbos.

[Pit]

that would smoke the RS6

What want you to tell us? Maybe somethink about Audi's inconpetence?
Look at VAG Engines and tell me what engine do YOU wish in the RS6.
Murcielagos? Veyrons? Bentleys?

Audi has perfectly placed the RS6 on market and there is no more to
say...

Pit.

[techiehost]

What want you to tell us? Maybe somethink about Audi's inconpetence?
Look at VAG Engines and tell me what engine do YOU wish in the RS6.
Murcielagos? Veyrons? Bentleys?

Audi has perfectly placed the RS6 on market and there is no more to
say...

Pit.

I have to say I am not at all impressed with the veyron either. It is definitely fast, but any car manufacturer could have done that. Dodge just needs to slap 4 turbos on the viper. I understand it is 1 bar of boost.

There are plenty of reliable kits out there that will make 600+ horsepower out of a 3-4 liter engine. What about that loaded m3. That thing beats the veyron around the nurburgring by 10-20 seconds, I forget the actual times to be honest.