I don't see reason for that...Originally Posted by Leadfoot
I think that B8 S4 is coming out in the same time with B8 A4...
...RS 4 following 2008/09...
My expectations and hopes...
I don't see reason for that...
I think that B8 S4 is coming out in the same time with B8 A4...
...RS 4 following 2008/09...
My expectations and hopes...
B8 RS4 in one year??? they released the B7 in late 2005... is it not a bit too early? On the other hand it would be just fantastic!!!!
Well, in the past we were waitng for a year or more for S model, now Audi releasing S model together with A.
It was case with A5/S5, and I think it's going to be a case with new A4/S4...
we will see...
I am a little surprised as to why Audi launched the S5 at the start of the model range, I know they wanted to match what BMW had with their 3series Coupe so the only reason I can come up with is that Audi didn't have an engine to compete with the 335i.
Now there is talk that Audi are close to launching a v6 Bi-turbo, will this be on-board at the A4 launch and if so will this mean no S4, allowing Audi to further develop the S4 engine/car and then introduce a new improved version at it launch to the S5.
I know there is a lot of ifs and buts in my statement but at present I feel the S4 will not be there at launch and WFC think this as well.
Search and you will find the truth.
As the new M3 is out now and there will not be an update of this car for quite some time... I feel Audi will have no pressure on releasing S or RS models any time soon...
After all they have the whole range set up to match or surclass the BMW why should they play their aces first? I would further focus on developement and prepare to relase new class leaders... rather than match competition.
IMHO does not make strategic sense to anticipate times.
I think that releasing of S model in the same time with A model is good strategy, because, it makes model to look stronger from the biggining.
In A5 case, it's preety nice example...
S5 - 335 i coupe - CLK 500
This is a good point, but on the other hand...If i see well, if they have more time to do, the result will be better.
I explain what I mean: in the case of B6, S4 came 2 years later and was a big success, far better than it's opponents.
With A5, the S model gets almost the same engine as the previous generation S4 (10hp and FSI technology is not much improvement) but 5 years have passed!
Now, S5's opponent is the current BMW 335i, in 2002, S4's "enemy" was the then M3. I see this as a fall back.
Before this current generation, every model brought a brand new engine:2.2 R5 T; 2.7 V6 T; 4.2 V8; and now 4.2 V8 again.
Does anybody agree with me?
5 Audis so far...currently:
2007 Audi A4 B7 2.0 TDI Multitronic
Back than it was diferent, time has brouth some changes, then S4 was in the ''power range'' of the M3, (343 vs 344 hp), now M3 has 425 hps, and S5/S4 are in the line of the 335 and CLK 500.
I think that Audi is making its model range more clear, S models will be released much sooner, with RS model following in year or maximum two.
You have to remember that if Audi had wanted the S5 to complete with the new M3 we would all to paying an extra £7~8K more for the car than it's present prices which by the way is pretty close to the current S4 when you factor in the extras the S5 has over the S4.
Better looks, a better drive, a little quicker and better handling for no extra money, I reckon that is a good result.
Search and you will find the truth.
Yes, this is the other (positive) side of the shield.
5 Audis so far...currently:
2007 Audi A4 B7 2.0 TDI Multitronic
OH CRAAAAAAAP!!!! Come on audi, what's up with those UGLY side lines, don't like them on the A5, and hate them even more on the "future" A4!
Sooooo disapointed here, soooo frustrated, and soooo about to forget audis if they keep going this way...
Ok, this is ugly for you..., where your money is going... ?
What car maker, in your opinion, is making better looking cars ?
i don't know, so far my cars are pretty recent, and i love them, but it will be a heart braking decision to make, i HATE BMW and and i don't even consider MBs... But if audi is going all the way to something like this, they won't get my money any more... which is a shame, cause i'm currently on my 7th audi... and i don't want to have to chose between eating crap and drinking piss, Audis have for a long time been like caviar to my eyes, and that's why i love them so much, and i am so faithful to them...
Thank god the TT, the A3, the A6, the A8 and the... beautifuuuuul R8 are still here to warm my heart, but A4 and A5... certainly not my cup of tea...
You see..
It's like a trap, you don't even consider other car makers, and Audi is now ugly to you... what you are going to buy next...?
There isn't many options to consider, Porsche Panamera is only new thing in that segmet that is coming and interesting...
But, I still think that you are over reacting, A5 and future A4, IMHO, aren't ugly cars, I LOVE THEM, but I understandt that you have problem with new design line, maybe you scholud give them a little time, maybe you will change your opinion,
Was going to say Panamera, but then it's not in the same league as an A4, much more powerful, exclusive, more of an S6/RS6 competitor.
That was my point Andy, i don't consider other german car makers, and i don't like the new Audi design... But i won't just say "hell, f*** it, i'll buy an audi because i don't like the others" I want to keep buying audis because i like the damn cars, and not as an "escape route" from other car makers.
Of course i am over reacting, it's not hideous, i just don't like it, defenitly not what audi has used us to. But if was a renault i'd say it's a very good looking car, 'cause it would be an upscale for those loooooosers!!
Exatcly, Panamera is more like, RS 6 league...
You still didn;t answer me, where you are going after Audi ... ?
BMW and Merc' are out, I presume Lexus to, where that leaves you...
... Peugeot
I think that alternativ doesn't exist...
What do you think ?
I think the new design that Audi are using in their latest cars (R8, A5 and now A4) have gone off in a totally different direction than the previous designs and because of this they are alienating some loyal customers like Charles DLF. I believe as we all get use to seeing them more often they appeal will grow and in no time at all will be looking back and wondering why they weren't liked in the first place.
I hated the 3series Coupe the first time I saw it in the magazines and said as much on this site but now seeing them in the fresh and as often as I have I really think it is one of BMW's best designs ever.
The A5 and A4 will be the seem in time, people don't like change but sometime it's a good thing.
Search and you will find the truth.
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