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This week's Auto Sport und Motor (published in Germany) has a full feature on Audi's new model strategy and includes among other models a story about and pictures of the new RS4. It looks terrific. I will get a copy of the magazine as soon as it's availabale in the UK and post pictures here. I expect the article to carry reliable information on the launch date, final spec and likely cost.
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Can't wait to see these. Hope it comes to the States.
:s4addict: -Audihead
The cover looks promising....Quote:
Originally posted by tailpipe
This week's Auto Sport und Motor (published in Germany) has a full feature on Audi's new model strategy and includes among other models a story about and pictures of the new RS4.
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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/69229
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The car on the cover is only the facelifted S4!
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Look at the fenders, wheels, bumper,...;)
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http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s..._150.66573.jpg
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"Audi Modelloffensive: Audi A6 Avant, RS4 , Q5 und Q7, A8 Avant und neuen Allroad-Modelle"
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Originally posted by tailpipe
This week's Auto Sport und Motor (published in Germany) has a full feature on Audi's new model strategy and includes among other models a story about and pictures of the new RS4. It looks terrific. I will get a copy of the magazine as soon as it's availabale in the UK and post pictures here. I expect the article to carry reliable information on the launch date, final spec and likely cost.
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this is when you here that sound of the trumpets...
TUN TUN TUNUUUUUN :applause: (whatever that is spelled like..hehe)
that sounds very cool! hope it will be accurate and dataful.
will you scan it for us? please.:hahahehe:
really looking forward to hear about it.
And i really hope it gets to the states this time.
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I'll pass at the store today and I'll see if they have got it already... If so I'll scan it immediatly!
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Yes, the wheel arches are certainly more bulbous and filled with tyres that must be at least 19 inches. It's hard to see, but the lip on the front bumper appears to have been extended to the wheel arches, creating a much more aggressive look. This is no ordinary S4. The new grille looks great on this car.Quote:
Originally posted by steve
Look at the fenders, wheels, bumper,...;)
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Its AWFUL. It looks like an RS6! Toned down and all executive friendly
hi,
in article:
-new RS4 with 4.2 V8 Non-turbo, 425ps. (2005)
Audi-Motorenchef Wolfgang Hatz: "Wir wollen mit dem RS4 zeigen, dass wir auch einen Saugmotor in diese Leistungsklasse beherrschen."
-new S3 with 3.2 V6 Biturbo, 330ps. (2006)
-new S8 with 'Audi-V10 mit 550ps. (2006)
more for future:
-A3 cabrio
-new A6 & A6 allroad
-the Q7
-new Q5, based on A4 platform
-new A8 avant especially for the USA market
-and Audi Le Mans
sounds promising
curious about the new S6-RS6
greetz,
matteus
it's the RS4Quote:
Originally posted by Fab5
The car on the cover is only the facelifted S4!
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As you well know, the article ends with "Computerretuschen: Nextline" so although it looks like a plausible RS4-look, it could well be just the S4 photoshopped with the RS6 styling cues.
if anyone has that magazine.. could you possibly scan the ALL the Audi pics so that we can see them in a larger scale.
only one pic so far..
http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread....7&pagenumber=2
thanks.
Two things:
1. The CGI's in Auto Motor und Sport are usually pretty accurate, (they got the new M5 right, plus the Merc CLS and Z4) so I think this interpretation of the RS4 is pretty good.
2. The story confirms what has been rumoured for some time, and it's Audi's engine guru who was interviewed for the article, so we can presume he won't have put his credibility on the line.
- V8 naturally aspirated engine generating 425 bhp. Nice.
- Will be shown at Geneva 2005 in March. I'll be there.
Still don't know if its the new FSI V8 engine or what gearbox options will be offered. With that kind of horsepower can we assume 0-100 kph in comfortably under 5.0 seconds plus an unrestricted top speed of about 190 mph? I hope so.
To be honest, I cannot see what all the fuss is about the styling. The CGI in Auto Motor und Sport makes it look pretty darn good IMHO. (By the way RS4ever, the pictures inside the magazine are the same as on the cover; you can also check out their website.)
This is the car the S4 should have been: not an M3, but a whole lot more usable performance.
Hopefully you're not trying to tell all of us who have RS 6s that our cars are ugly? If so, wrong forum. You must be looking for www.bangle.com:DQuote:
Originally posted by RS4O
Its AWFUL. It looks like an RS6! Toned down and all executive friendly
Styling is, of course, always a personal thing and the RS4 candidate car on Ring pics on the S4/RS4 forum looks partly disguised especially as regards to the true front end and the AMS picture of the new RS4 is photoshopped.
The demands and tastes of people in different markets and age categories are probably different. Moreover, Audi it seems still has difficulties to cope with the other Bavarian spectre and many of its loud loyalists.
Still, I hope that Audi cherishes its cool style/image so well again demonstrated particularly in the RS6 and does not stray too far away from the mainstream taste of the most likely main target group for the new RS4 - i.e. 28-45 Y high-income/wealth males with a family.
Hopefully the AMS pic is closer to the final truth than the front end of the Ring pic - it pretty successfully blends more attitude with grace.
But at the end of the day, it is ability that counts and here we can only hope for the best - although coming up with a new RS4 that really moves the game forward vs. old RS4 as well as current opposition and that dynamically betters or even barely matches the already effectively 2 year old M3 CSL is extremely difficult with the DNA that Audi Sport engineers start out with.
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well its good that we will finally see it in 2005 geneva show in march.. atleast now we know when we will know.
tailpipe.. thanks for the info and the tip about the pic.
I am sure many of you have already noticed the official Audi AG press release about production of RS6 ending after 8081 units were built. The release ends with this:
"In autumn of the next year, quattro GmbH will begin to produce the new RS 4 at its manufacturing plant in Neckarsulm. Until then, the employees will assist the production of the A6 and at the same time be qualified to manufacture the new quattro GmbH model."
Well spotted. Autumn 2004? Great. I wonder what that means for UK production?
Finally Audi starts to tip its hand.:dance:
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Would any of you really buy a naturally aspirated RS4 over a twin turbo RS3? I would go for the lighter car with far higher turbo tuning potential every time. Each to their own though, I guess.
I would, i like N/A engines. Less to go wrong, just look at all the problems w/ turbo'd cars.Quote:
Originally posted by Roadie
Would any of you really buy a naturally aspirated RS4 over a twin turbo RS3? I would go for the lighter car with far higher turbo tuning potential every time. Each to their own though, I guess.
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That's a good question. I Would consider the RS 4 even though it's breaking with the turbo tradition of the RS models. The RS 3 should be a great car but at this point I think it would be too early to confirm if it will be turbo'd at all. It may end up a HO NA 3.2. You never know.Quote:
Originally posted by Roadie
Would any of you really buy a naturally aspirated RS4 over a twin turbo RS3? I would go for the lighter car with far higher turbo tuning potential every time. Each to their own though, I guess.
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True, the RS3 could be NA as well i guess. Then the RS4 would look better to me.
Anyway - what turbo problems? Look at the reliability of 911 turbo's compared to NA BMW M3's with all their vanos problems. A highly tuned NA is under far more stress IMO.
Vanos problems?!? As far as I know, early production M3s had problems with connecting rod bearings and oil pumps. Early production 996TTs had their fair share of issues too (if I remember right)...Quote:
Originally posted by Roadie
Anyway - what turbo problems? Look at the reliability of 911 turbo's compared to NA BMW M3's with all their vanos problems. A highly tuned NA is under far more stress IMO.
Tailpipe, 190mph seems a tad optimistic from this setup. Whenever magazines take true exotica to oval tracks (which admittedly scrub a bit of speed) there aren't many that top even 180mph... they all seem to get to 160mph quite quickly and then amazingly die between there and 180mph. I would guess 420bhp or around that would be good for 175-180 without a limiter but given the shape and drag I can't imagine it seeing more than this - but hey, we don't know the final specs yet so who knows!
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The S4 V8 already makes it to 270-275kph... So I guess that with the extra RS bonus it should be quite close to 290- 295?..
If you look at recent postings on the RS6 section of the forum, you'll see an RS6 reaching 196 mph on the autobahn. The next RS4 will be much lighter than RS6 but with less bhp., but the overall power-to-weight ratio should tip in favour of the RS4. I've also heard tmuch alk of prototypes achieving a sub-8 minute lap tie around the Ring.Quote:
Originally posted by marks6
Tailpipe, 190mph seems a tad optimistic from this setup. Whenever magazines take true exotica to oval tracks (which admittedly scrub a bit of speed) there aren't many that top even 180mph... they all seem to get to 160mph quite quickly and then amazingly die between there and 180mph. I would guess 420bhp or around that would be good for 175-180 without a limiter but given the shape and drag I can't imagine it seeing more than this - but hey, we don't know the final specs yet so who knows!
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This car is going to rock and I mean rock. It is going to be another two years before Audi has a new RS6 or the RS9 (Le Mans in production form), so the RS4 will be the performance flagship with Audi committed to making go well. In the final analysis, anything above 170 starts to get scary in my book.
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Originally posted by tailpipe
If you look at recent postings on the RS6 section of the forum, you'll see an RS6 reaching 196 mph on the autobahn. The next RS4 will be much lighter than RS6 but with less bhp., but the overall power-to-weight ratio should tip in favour of the RS4.
If i remember correctly, I think that RS6 was tuned to 500hp. The B5 RS4 reached up to around 170mph. So I'm predicting with the B7 being lighter then the B5 and with 40 more hp, maybe topping out at around 180mph..
Yeah, but power is what really counts at high speeds...Quote:
Originally posted by tailpipe
If you look at recent postings on the RS6 section of the forum, you'll see an RS6 reaching 196 mph on the autobahn. The next RS4 will be much lighter than RS6 but with less bhp., but the overall power-to-weight ratio should tip in favour of the RS4.
Is that RS6 bone stock?
Tailpipe, a sub 8 minute RING time indicates little about the top speed. Look at Caterham, Radical, Westfield etc, plus even a humble 330bhp Subaru can put out a sub 8 minute lap...
As for a 196mph top speed for the RS6, would be interested to know if that's a speedo 196 or a true 196... As I say, if you read a lot of reports they all predict very high speeds that never quite materialise when they get to a track with proper timing gear. There was a recent one in the UK in Evo and they tested the DB9, Gallardo etc... all fell short of their predicted top speed.
Let's wait and see the new RS4 and find it's top unlimited speed but if it betters 180mph it will be doing exceedingly well
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I know the owner of that car and its tuned by ACE Competition 500ps at the time he did 315km on speedo. So you have a good memory:thumb:Quote:
Originally posted by 5000S old skool
If i remember correctly, I think that RS6 was tuned to 500hp. The B5 RS4 reached up to around 170mph. So I'm predicting with the B7 being lighter then the B5 and with 40 more hp, maybe topping out at around 180mph..