Experts, only! (PLASMA TV or LCD TV?)

[AndyBG]

Witch is better to have,

PLASMA TV or LCD TV,

i would like answer not as what is beter value for the money, but in performance figures, so what is best to have?

THANK YOU!

[Bingocaller]

The only thing I have to add is the problem with pixel errors on the LCD screens

In DK there is a limit for how many dead pixel allowed :argue:

[AndyBG]

So, should i count that as a plasma vote?

[Bingocaller]

Originally posted by AndyBG
So, should i count that as a plasma vote?

In my book yes - unless u get lucky and get one with minimum flaws.

But if u decide to get a LCD just make shure that it is HD ready :0:

[AndyBG]

Ok, thanks,

some more opinions...?

[Bingocaller]

My boss has just bought a Loewe (One of the top brands sold in DK) with a big HD - and she is loving it!

LCD though - but with no dead pixels

[freerider]

They both have their good and their lesser sides.

Plasma is supposed to be crispier and sharper, uses less space but the technology isn't at its full potential and are still very pricy. You also don't have to fear for death pixels.

LCD are nowadays very developed. They're getting better and better, but the picture is of a lesser quality, especially when you go for the bigger ones (has to do with the resolution). Most of the time they're cheaper than plasma tv's, but there's the fear of death pixels.

If I were you, I would go to a store and look at both type of screens within your budget. Choose the one you like the most (resolution-wise, size,...)

I think plasma is the way of the future (especially with HD), but still needs some developement. My LCD monitor (19", not TV) is very good, but it does have it flaws.

[sturs6]

Several thing to consider when looking at what to get!

First how big do you want your picture. The biggest LCD that I know of and that is not saying alot is a 45 inch (make and model)Sharp LC-45GD4U this model in particular will give you a full 1080p HD resolution. Then there is Plasma... Panasonic makes a 65 in model TH-65PHD8UK or you could get a plasma wall from NEC but who needs that. I personally have a 50 inch Samsung that is a nice TV it would not have been my first choice but I got it for a major steal so I took it. I personally like NEC myself because they are OEM and make all of there own stuff unlike other brands. More info on that check out this page. (http://www.plasma.com/classroom/whomakesplasma.htm)

Second are you going to be watching it mainly at night or in low light or will you be watching it in the day with outside lite and such shining in on your tv? If you are going to watch during the day or with lots of light then you want plasma because they are as bright and some brighter than coventional Television sets.

All in all if you want larger than 37inches then go plasma or you will pay and the quality is not as good. LCD can have delays in the picture when watching fast moving scenes. Black level which is an extremly important thing in film is not that great with LCD's... they have a hard time producing black. There is also problems when viewing some LCD's from angles other than straight on the picture becomes dimmer.
Just remember LCD was invented for computer non moving pixel viewing (still images) so if you are going to watch films buy plasma if you are going to look at family pictures on a 37 in tv then go ahead and get the LCD.
The best advice... go sit down and watch the IMAX film Super Speedway in a store and watch it on both and see which picture you like best in the screen size you are looking for.

I hope all of this mumbo jumbo helps you... if not sorry.
:cheers:
Stuart

[ott]

I have both in my home and I like plasma a bit more because it's picture seems to be better. And it was cheaper too. No big difference though.

[nene]

I have 2 52inch Pioneer Plasma Elite. Love them.

[Payne]

Definetely plasma!(unless you live higher than 2.500m then it wouldn't work)

Plasma's technology is still much better than lcds..Specially big screens.

Anyway I'd rather contact a real pros:p

[AndyBG]

THANK YOU!

[slammer1]

Originally posted by AndyBG
Witch is better to have,

PLASMA TV or LCD TV,

i would like answer not as what is beter value for the money, but in performance figures, so what is best to have?

THANK YOU!

Plasma. Done lots of research; seen the best. EE background. Panasonic professional/commercial line is the best<<<just my opinion. (Price no object evaluation).

[AndyBG]

Originally posted by slammer1
Plasma. Done lots of research; seen the best. EE background. Panasonic professional/commercial line is the best<<<just my opinion. (Price no object evaluation).

Now, wehn you come to brands, what is SONYs position in this segment?

[slammer1]

Originally posted by AndyBG
Now, wehn you come to brands, what is SONYs position in this segment?

Sony makes fine plasmas; have a JV w/ Samsung that Sony had to enter into as they were getting left behind in the mkt and inadequate production capacity for plasmas. But...Sony's a mktg machine (still) in many product lines, although Samsung is certainly no slouch any more! Priced too high for comparable performance. Here's my ranking (objectively speaking; again, remember, this is just my (very researched, price no object) opinion):

1. Panasonic
2. Pioneer Elite Pro
3. Samsung/Sony (tie)

thanks.

[AndyBG]

Originally posted by slammer1
Here's my ranking (objectively speaking; again, remember, this is just my (very researched, price no object) opinion):



That is the thing i want to now, what is the best, not cheapest.

THANKS!

[roozbeh007]

I think LCD isa better choice. bw, LCD do cost more than plasmas

[gjg]

Pioneer I can vouch for, LCD is LESS than Plasma on this side of the pond

[JavierNuvolari]

So....wich way did you go and what screen did you bought? any pics?


Cheers,


Javier

[SoCal]

My two cents, a little late perhaps:

I prefer LCD to plasma except in large screen formats. LCD has better contrast ratio, no burn in risk, longer life, and better reliability/repair record. Plasmas use brightness to compensate for slightly reduced resolution, though newer sets are better and plasma TVs also can have faster refresh rate (good for action movies or sports), better viewing angle and better contrast, and are slightly cheaper. Depends in part on your source: no point to expensive higher res TV if you lack HD input. For our smaller screen, we have Sharp Aquos LCD with HD satellite and high end DVD player and have been very pleased.

If you want top picture quality and have more space and want bigger format, then go with a projection TV or newer, flat screen (but deeper) CRT, not flat panel.

For resources, see:

http://www.cnet.com.au/hometheatre/tvs/0,39026023,40036500,00.htm

and

http://www.flattvpeople.com/tutorials/lcd-vs-plasma.asp

[AndyBG]

Originally posted by JavierNuvolari
So....wich way did you go and what screen did you bought? any pics?


Cheers,


Javier

Nothing yet, i started this thread in order to get myself informed as mutch as possible on the subject.

THX to everybody for providing me with this amount of info', keep it ''flowing'', its never enough!

:cheers:

[roozbeh007]

Ok here is all you need to know. then decide.

The Basic Premise
Generally, manufacturers have broken down the entire spectrum of colors into pixels made up of three subpixels, each displaying one of the primary colors – red, green or blue. Once you stand back from the screen you can no longer detect each subpixel; instead you see a mixture of all three. Consequently, the screen is able to reproduce an entire palette of colors by mixing the reds, greens and blues. All modern display technologies are based on this premise.


Plasma Technology
Although you may think plasma technology is a recent phenomenon, the science has been around since 1960, and the first plasma prototype appeared back in 1964. While a handful of major manufacturers were interested in plasma technology at the outset, the absence of industrial outlets caused the entire industry to nearly grind to a halt by the late 1980s. However, plasma research continued in Japan, where the first commercial models hit the market in the early 1990s. Today most major consumer electronics manufacturers offer plasma televisions.

Plasma screens, as the name suggests, use a matrix of tiny gas plasma bubbles coated by phosphor and charged by precise electrical voltages to create a picture. Plasma technology operates on the premise that each subpixel within a plasma display is a microscopic fluorescent lamp that emits one of the primary colors (red, green or blue). Technicians are able to create a multitude of tints by varying the intensity of the light from these three subpixels. When it’s time to display an image signal (RGB or video), a digitally controlled electric current flows through the flat screen, causing the plasma inside designated bubbles to give off ultraviolet rays. This light in turn causes the phosphor coatings to glow the appropriate color. The millions of RGB bubbles glowing and dimming combine to make a rich, vivid image. Because the light emitted by the plasma is ultraviolet radiation, which is invisible to humans, it must be changed into a visible form of energy. To achieve this transformation, the walls of the plasma tube are coated with a UV-sensitive powder that emits white light. This powder, often called a phosphor, is known as a scintillator - a material that converts one type of radiation to another. CRTs also contain scinitillators that convert the electron beams into visible red, green or blue light.

Plasma Pluses
The most striking advantage that plasmas currently over LCD televisions is their availability in the largest screen formats. However, it won’t be long before some manufacturers produce LCD screens that will be comparable in size to many plasmas. Currently, on an inch by inch basis, plasmas are less expensive than LCDs. Additionally, plasma contrasts are also superior to those of LCDs, and equal to the best CRT televisions. Plasma TVs are quite versatile; capable of displaying full HDTV and DTV signals as well as XGA, SVGA and VGA signals from a computer. Furthermore, plasma televisions present a much wider range of richer colors due to their huge choice of scintillators. High-end plasma screens can display 16.77 million colors, providing superb realism with exceptionally subtle gradations among colors. In fact, color saturation represents one of the most dramatic advantages that plasma screens have over other display technologies.


Plasma Minuses
On the negative side, the large size of the plasma pixels means that plasma televisions are restricted in size to at least 32-inches diagonal in order to achieve competitive resolutions. Plasma sets also encounter some image quality problems stemming from the nature of their pixels. Because plasma pixels need an electrical discharge in order to emit light, a pixel must be lit or unlit, but has no intermediate state. Consequently, plasma manufacturers employ a method called PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) to control brightness. With PCM, a pixel is lit frequently to attain brightness and less often to attain a darker shade. This works well for medium and bright colors, but it’s often difficult to distinguish between two similarly dark shades. PCM technology creates a uniform image if the viewer if far enough from the panel, but some discomfort at close distances. Plasma pixels are also prone to burn-in, a phenomenon also found in CRT screens. Burn-in occurs when the same image is projected too long and becomes permanently imprinted on the phosphor because of premature aging of the scintillators. This isn’t a problem under normal use, because the images projected change constantly. However, in certain business applications, where the same channel is used on the screen all the time, issues can arise. For example, a network’s logo can become burned into the display. And when a plasma screen is used for static advertising displays, a fixed image projected constantly can become burned into the panel.


Uses for Plasma TVs
Plasma displays are found mostly in high-quality, large-format video systems. Their big size and video performance make them excellent for viewing DVDs, high definition or otherwise. Plasma is traditionally positioned at the high-end sector of the market, where the issues of high cost, phosphor aging and high power consumption are secondary to performance and quality.


LCD Technology
The twisted nematic (TN) is the most common type liquid crystal used in display applications such as LCD televisions, monitors and projectors. It is so named because it has a naturally twisted crystalline structure. This crystal reacts to electric currents in predictable ways, such as untwisting to varying degrees depending on the voltage of the current to which it is exposed. The main difference between plasma and LCD technology is that LCD pixels don’t emit light. As with plasma technology, an LCD pixel is comprised of three sub-pixels in the elementary colors. Because they don’t emit light, LCD displays need white backlighting. The light emitted by the backlighting passes through the liquid crystal and is then colored by a filter. Each subpixel has the same characteristics; only the color of the filter changes depending on the pixel. The liquid crystal of each subpixel can be controlled electrically like a valve; the amount of light allowed to pass through the crystal governs how much red, green and blow is emitted for each pixel. Active matrix LCDs employ thin film transistors (TFTs),m or tiny switching transistors and capacitors arranged in a matrix on a glass substrate, to direct electric charges down columns to reach a particular pixel. In turn, this causes the liquid crystals to untwist and display a predetermined amount of light generated by the light source – usually a fluorescent bulb located in back of them. By exploiting a combination of red, green, and blue subpixels of various intensities (or gray scales), a single pixel triad can reproduce approximately 16.8 million colors.

One issue affecting the overall quality of the picture reproduced on LCDs has to do with dot pitch. This term refers to the distance between subpixels of the same color in adjoining pixel triads. The closer these "dots" are to one another, the sharper the resolution will be. This is especially true when displaying computer signal images and graphs. And the picture in front of you will be more realistic and detailed. Higher dot pitches also increase the viewing angles of LCD panels. Since dot pitch is measure in millimeters (mm), a good rule of thumb is this: Smaller dot pitches make for sharper images. You generally want a dot pitch of .28mm [" 10,000 pixels/in2 of your display] or finer.

Note: Plasma displays have long been touted as having wider viewing angles than comparably sized LCD monitors. But recent improvements in quality have made LCD televisions and monitors comparable to Plasma TVs with respect to their viewing angles. According to Sharp, a leading manufacturer of LCDs, the newest generation of LCD displays have just as good viewing angles as plasma sets.

LCD Pluses
LCDs offer higher resolutions than plasmas of the same size. They also have excellent image stability. In other words, you can sit close without experiencing eye fatigue. Additionally, LCDs boast a longer lifetime than plasma televisions – on average about 50,000 hours versus 30,000 hours. Also, If you're contemplating a home entertainment setup involving a PC--perhaps running Windows XP Media center Edition - or other activities involving text as well as graphics, you'll get a crisper, brighter image from an LCD. LCDs are also space-efficient and because they operate at much cooler temperatures cost less per hour than plasma televisions. The smaller and better transistors found in LCDs give them another advantage over plasma – higher resolution.

LCD Minuses
LCD viewing angles cannot match those of plasma displays. You tend to see some brightness and color shift when you’re sitting at too far an angle from your LCD, while a plasma’s picture remains fairly solid. LCDs also have lower contrast ratios than plasmas and are not as good at rendering deep blacks. Additionally, they are not as good as plasmas in tracking motion and fast-moving objects may exhibit what is called, lag artifacts.


LCD Uses
The area where LCD reigns supreme over any other flat-panel displays is, of course, computers. LCD monitors can now be used for most applications including games, office applications, and photo retouching. But it's another story for television. LCD is lagging behind plasma, but it's available in more reasonable display sizes. In terms of absolute video quality, plasma is still tops, because it offers blacks as good as what CRTs can display, exceptional viewing angles, and unmatched color. However, LCDs are closing the gap little by little with technologies that are constantly being refined.

[sturs6]

Ok that is all and good and everything but you left out one thing. If I want a 50 inch LCD can I get it? :D
:cheers:
Stuart

[AndyBG]

roozbeh007,

This was very detailed,

THANKS!

:0:

[sturs6]

Originally posted by sturs6
Ok that is all and good and everything but you left out one thing. If I want a 50 inch LCD can I get it? :D
:cheers:
Stuart
Nevermind that comment I found one... by LG (http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_lcd%20flat%20panel__55LP1M.jhtml)

[eph94]

One other thing you should take into consideration is the location of the unit. If it is in a room with lots of windows, the glare off a plasma screen might be unbearable, even with the shades down. I was forced to go with a Sharp 45" LCD for this reason.

[Leadfoot]

It's a size thing, upto 42" LCD is better, but above this Plasma is better. But it doesn't stop there, Plasma is better for the like of sports (football, baseball etc.) but they haven't as sharp a picture as a LCD. It's a mine field.

In the time I wrote this, everything I just said is now wrong, I guess that's Television technology at the sharp end.

[borispmchan]

LCD monitors use less energy, and its lifetime is longer as it has a lower operation temperature.However, Plasma is meant to creat light by means of using electricity to produce a very high temperature... so for me, LCD is better all the time.